Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
Hey, let's make it better. I'm all for you. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 01/27/2011 03:34 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi there, On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 18:43 -0800, NoOp wrote: It also still uses soffice.exe et all in Windows; meaning that LO still takes over OOo if both are installed in parallel. Unfortunately, there is some inevitability of conflict here. This would have always been the situation between StarOffice and OpenOffice in the past eg. AFAIK (and I am no expert), we would both want to clobber the same COM component names - and remove them socially on uninstall etc. Short of the typical I notice XYZ other app is the default, do you want to change to me type code that would need adding on both sides, there will be issues here for a while. The latter seems MS like; are LO insistent on obliterating OOo by continuing to use OOo registry entries and executable file names? If you install OO.o over LO - you will find it does the same thing; there is no malice implied on either side. Actually OOo does not. I just tested OOo final 3.3.0 on WinXP and it does not disturb LO. Right-clicking on an .odt and selecting 'Open With' offers: OpenOffice.org Writer (OOo 3.3.0 stable was installed after LO) LibreOffice Writer (RC4/Stable is installed) Microsoft Word I suggest that you revisit the Change executable/sh names thread that I started on the dev list. That SVG import still is incomplete and doesn't work properly. In fact SVG import is pretty much an ongoing joke (whether it be OOo-go-oo or LO). Well; it does something useful; we (and you) are welcome to make it better. In my view, something useful is almost always better than nothing, even if it is not perfect. Perhaps the most serious thing it does is showcase the poor performance of draw with lots of complex shapes - something that is intrinsic to draw, but of course not seen if you don't load any data into it ;-) Perhaps 'ongoing joke' was a little harsh I offer my apologies to Bernhard Haumacher any devs that have been working on it since then. However the problem(s) have been ongoing for years (starting in 2005 + http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SVG_Import_Filter). My point was; promoting a broken feature as key reason to switch to LO seems to me to be misguided. You know it's broke, I know it's broke, and the multiple (years old) bug reports validate my opinion. It really doesn't matter if the issue is with Draw or the SVG extension/code, the issue is/was the press release promoting a feature with significant issues. Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the more basic bugs were resolved. I am sorry you think so. But rest assured, you'll have plenty of time to fix and test bug fixes for 3.3.1 with us all. It is not as if the baseline we are starting from is bug-free perfection too. Happy to help in any way that I can. BTW these might be worth a look/relook as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/138141 [[upstream] export of openoffice draw to svg renders text invisable in the svg file] - note my post of 2008 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32852 [[Linux] LibORC2: Impress video / `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33050 [ [FILESAVE] LibO stops responding saving particular documents as .doc] If you look at the history, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=33050 you'll find that was discovered in RC2. There's more, but that's enough for this response. I'm quite happy to help via troubleshooting/testing etc., but IMO taking a fast track to release so soon after RC4 (which is the stable release) is an indication that the releases are timed to distros/other events. I think it better to slow things down and release 'when LO are ready' rather than on buttons pushed by outside sources. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On 01/27/2011 03:34 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi there, On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 18:43 -0800, NoOp wrote: It also still uses soffice.exe et all in Windows; meaning that LO still takes over OOo if both are installed in parallel. Unfortunately, there is some inevitability of conflict here. This would have always been the situation between StarOffice and OpenOffice in the past eg. AFAIK (and I am no expert), we would both want to clobber the same COM component names - and remove them socially on uninstall etc. Short of the typical I notice XYZ other app is the default, do you want to change to me type code that would need adding on both sides, there will be issues here for a while. The latter seems MS like; are LO insistent on obliterating OOo by continuing to use OOo registry entries and executable file names? If you install OO.o over LO - you will find it does the same thing; there is no malice implied on either side. Actually OOo does not. I just tested OOo final 3.3.0 on WinXP and it does not disturb LO. Right-clicking on an .odt and selecting 'Open With' offers: OpenOffice.org Writer (OOo 3.3.0 stable was installed after LO) LibreOffice Writer (RC4/Stable is installed) Microsoft Word I suggest that you revisit the Change executable/sh names thread that I started on the dev list. That SVG import still is incomplete and doesn't work properly. In fact SVG import is pretty much an ongoing joke (whether it be OOo-go-oo or LO). Well; it does something useful; we (and you) are welcome to make it better. In my view, something useful is almost always better than nothing, even if it is not perfect. Perhaps the most serious thing it does is showcase the poor performance of draw with lots of complex shapes - something that is intrinsic to draw, but of course not seen if you don't load any data into it ;-) Perhaps 'ongoing joke' was a little harsh I offer my apologies to Bernhard Haumacher any devs that have been working on it since then. However the problem(s) have been ongoing for years (starting in 2005 + http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SVG_Import_Filter). My point was; promoting a broken feature as key reason to switch to LO seems to me to be misguided. You know it's broke, I know it's broke, and the multiple (years old) bug reports validate my opinion. It really doesn't matter if the issue is with Draw or the SVG extension/code, the issue is/was the press release promoting a feature with significant issues. Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the more basic bugs were resolved. I am sorry you think so. But rest assured, you'll have plenty of time to fix and test bug fixes for 3.3.1 with us all. It is not as if the baseline we are starting from is bug-free perfection too. Happy to help in any way that I can. BTW these might be worth a look/relook as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/138141 [[upstream] export of openoffice draw to svg renders text invisable in the svg file] - note my post of 2008 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32852 [[Linux] LibORC2: Impress video / `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33050 [ [FILESAVE] LibO stops responding saving particular documents as .doc] If you look at the history, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=33050 you'll find that was discovered in RC2. There's more, but that's enough for this response. I'm quite happy to help via troubleshooting/testing etc., but IMO taking a fast track to release so soon after RC4 (which is the stable release) is an indication that the releases are timed to distros/other events. I think it better to slow things down and release 'when LO are ready' rather than on buttons pushed by outside sources. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
Hi there, On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 18:43 -0800, NoOp wrote: It also still uses soffice.exe et all in Windows; meaning that LO still takes over OOo if both are installed in parallel. Unfortunately, there is some inevitability of conflict here. This would have always been the situation between StarOffice and OpenOffice in the past eg. AFAIK (and I am no expert), we would both want to clobber the same COM component names - and remove them socially on uninstall etc. Short of the typical I notice XYZ other app is the default, do you want to change to me type code that would need adding on both sides, there will be issues here for a while. The latter seems MS like; are LO insistent on obliterating OOo by continuing to use OOo registry entries and executable file names? If you install OO.o over LO - you will find it does the same thing; there is no malice implied on either side. That SVG import still is incomplete and doesn't work properly. In fact SVG import is pretty much an ongoing joke (whether it be OOo-go-oo or LO). Well; it does something useful; we (and you) are welcome to make it better. In my view, something useful is almost always better than nothing, even if it is not perfect. Perhaps the most serious thing it does is showcase the poor performance of draw with lots of complex shapes - something that is intrinsic to draw, but of course not seen if you don't load any data into it ;-) Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the more basic bugs were resolved. I am sorry you think so. But rest assured, you'll have plenty of time to fix and test bug fixes for 3.3.1 with us all. It is not as if the baseline we are starting from is bug-free perfection too. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
Le 26/01/11 03:43, NoOp a écrit : Hi, Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the more basic bugs were resolved. Perhaps LO are now on the distro fast-track (ala Ubuntu et al) rather than sorting out issues and releasing when fully cooked? Perhaps it has more to do with the fact that whoever decided to change the RC4 to final had knowledge that Oracle was going to make RC10 final imminently. After all, it appears that the bugs that were considered blockers for the 3.3 release have all been shifted to 3.3.1 by magic. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On 1/25/2011 6:06 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3 The first stable release of the free office suite is available for download The Internet, January 25, 2011 - The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3, the first stable release of the free office suite developed by the community. In less than four months, the number of developers hacking LibreOffice has grown from less than twenty in late September 2010, to well over one hundred today. This has allowed us to release ahead of the aggressive schedule set by the project. The rest was SNIPped to save reply space... OK, now... here's a few deadly serious and hopefully short marketing and related things that outsiders, product reviewers and others, including those that love LibreOffice / OpenOffice, and those that do not, will be looking for: In no particular order: 1. It is critically imperative to show the difference between OpenOffice.org, and LibreOffice, to hopefully elminate confusion as to items like what's this new LibreOffice, and what happened to OpenOffice ?, and Is LibreOffice picking up where Ooo.org stopped ? Yes, WE know the answers to the above (grin, I think !), but we simply MUST get the facts and situation to the OUTSIDE world...and soon. 2. Number 1 above SHOULD be also explained at any and all appropriate LibreOffice online websites, pages, and in all potentially languages. If not, potential user confusion can and will mount. 3. The initial Press Release that this reply is based on MUST VERY CLEARLY and should on separate lines that DRAW users / potential users attention quickly to those lines, state: Here's where to download the new LibreOffice 3.3, available in the following languages: [Clearly enunciated DOWNLOAD page here] and Here's where to find full information in one or more languages: [Clearly enunciated INFORMATION page here] Note that the initial Press Release does NOT quite do this -- thus, it is an immediate concern for clarity. There's likely more than just the above, but I wanted to quickly get the above concerns and commentary out. Most sincerely, Joe Rotello Founder, WindowGroup Knoxville, TN USA Skype: joerotello -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On 01/25/2011 06:43 PM, NoOp wrote: ... - the Windows installer, which is going to impact the largest and most diverse user base, has been integrated into a single build containing all language versions, thus reducing the size for download sites from 75 to 11GB, making it easier for us to deploy new versions more rapidly and lowering the carbon footprint of the entire infrastructure. That the download was never 15GB... 75GB or 11GB :-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3
On Tue Jan 25 2011 18:47:46 GMT-0800 (PST) NoOp wrote: On 01/25/2011 06:43 PM, NoOp wrote: ... - the Windows installer, which is going to impact the largest and most diverse user base, has been integrated into a single build containing all language versions, thus reducing the size for download sites from 75 to 11GB, making it easier for us to deploy new versions more rapidly and lowering the carbon footprint of the entire infrastructure. That the download was never 15GB... 75GB or 11GB :-) He would be referring to the load on the mirrors not on the individual files, as compared to OOo with each language having it own file. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
