[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi Vladimir v_2e wrote But the screenshot I gave a link to is a screenshot of LibreOffice 3.5.0 RC2 (if I'm remember correctly). In any case, it certainly is the 3.5-branch. And this theme was there when I upgraded from 3.4.x to 3.5.0 for the first time. Doesn't it mean that this theme is: a) working with LO 3.5; b) is included as a default theme? Yes, it is still included as Default (although for a new install you will get the Automatic (Tango) theme and have to manually switch to Default... a bit odd...) Sorry for the confusion. I messed the Galaxy theme while hacking my Tango-with-Floppy theme :) FYI the Galaxy theme is contained in images.zip in folder your install folder\share\config\ Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3734853.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
The freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification defines a 'document-save' icon as: document-save The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk. http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html The new LO Tango theme does not follow this specification, and instead uses a non-Tango icon: a down arrow pointing to an open file cabinet drawer Tango doesn't have a 'save as template' icon anyway, so we couldn't use it unmodified anyway. (Although I seem to remember reading that the template icon has been left as a floppy? I did point out this problem before...) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hello! On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:46:47 -0800 (PST) Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: I already have the floppy :) and I don't particularly like the Galaxy theme. Thank you anyway for the suggestion! I like this set of Icons I have in LibreOffice right now: http://wombat.org.ua/LibreOffice-icons.png and I hope it will be possible to use them in future versions of LibreOffice. Will it? Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
v_2e wrote I like this set of Icons I have in LibreOffice right now: http://wombat.org.ua/LibreOffice-icons.png and I hope it will be possible to use them in future versions of LibreOffice. Will it? That is the Galaxy theme from version 3.3.x and 3.4.x (which curiously is the only theme included in LibreOfficePortable 3.3.x and 3.4.x) What I can tell you is that the Galaxy theme is NOT one of the four Themes included and that you can't use a Theme from version 3.3.x or 3.4.x directly. Only someone in the Design section can answer if there is a tool to convert the icon Theme to version 3.5.x... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3732710.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
On 02/10/2012 05:44 AM, 1920...@googlemail.com wrote: The freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification defines a 'document-save' icon as: document-save The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk. http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html The new LO Tango theme does not follow this specification, and instead uses a non-Tango icon: a down arrow pointing to an open file cabinet drawer Tango doesn't have a 'save as template' icon anyway, so we couldn't use it unmodified anyway. In that case you create _additional_ icons (following the spec of course), just as others have: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library#Additional_Sets (Although I seem to remember reading that the template icon has been left as a floppy? I did point out this problem before...) The template save icon in 3.5 (sc/lc_saveasatemplate) is a combination of the standard Tango template icon (text-x-generic-template.png/svg[1]) interposed over a floppy hasn't changed from LO 3.3 and 3.4. That icon has other issues besides using the floppy - the text for the icon is simply 'Save', so it's easy to confuse with the document save icon 'Save (Ctrl+S)'. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Text-x-generic-template.svg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
On 02/08/2012 06:17 AM, Pedro wrote: ... In any case I managed to hack the Tango theme and replace the new icons with the old ones (BTW someone forgot to update the saveastemplate icons in the new Theme ;) ) You can't use your old tango theme from 3.4.x because the folder structure has been changed between versions. So, if anyone is interested, it's freely available here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/images_tango.zip What distrurbs me is that the new LO Tango icons do not follow the standard base Tango theme. As I pointed out in the other thread: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/7633 The freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification defines a 'document-save' icon as: document-save The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk. http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html The new LO Tango theme does not follow this specification, and instead uses a non-Tango icon: a down arrow pointing to an open file cabinet drawer. You'll find that if you/LO actually download and check the 'document-save' icons in: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library http://tango.freedesktop.org/releases/tango-icon-theme-0.8.90.tar.gz it is an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk. Other applications, and the desktop (GNOME), that I use adhere to the base Tango theme. I fail to understand why LO insists on bastardizing the theme and still calling it Tango. Even the LO icon name fails to follow the freedesktop.org naming convention of 'document-save', and instead LO have kept the name used in Ooo: lc_save.png. If you want the floppy, use the default Galaxy theme: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|Icon size and style: Glalaxy (default). http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_galaxy.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi NoOp NoOp wrote What distrurbs me is that the new LO Tango icons do not follow the standard base Tango theme. As I pointed out in the other thread: lt;http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/7633gt; Probably because someone hardcoded somewhere a list of the themes allowed. Try renaming any of the zip files and it will no longer show up on the Themes list. That is why the theme I modified is named tango instead of old_tango.zip NoOp wrote Other applications, and the desktop (GNOME), that I use adhere to the base Tango theme. I fail to understand why LO insists on bastardizing the theme and still calling it Tango. Even the LO icon name fails to follow the freedesktop.org naming convention of 'document-save', and instead LO have kept the name used in Ooo: lc_save.png. I thought the idea was to be consistent with the Linux icons. I can see now that it was not. Which even disappoints me more about the process... NoOp wrote If you want the floppy, use the default Galaxy theme: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|Icon size and style: Glalaxy (default). lt;http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_galaxy.htmlgt; I already have the floppy :) and I don't particularly like the Galaxy theme. Thank you anyway for the suggestion! Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3731131.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hello Pedro, Le Wed, 8 Feb 2012 06:17:10 -0800 (PST), Pedro pedl...@gmail.com a écrit : Charles-H.Schulz wrote This being said and at the risk of sounding evil and stubborn: FOSS has never been about demoracy. It's limited democracy at best, that is, democracy narrowed to a very defined set of decisions, with a strong meritocracy making up for most of everything and *sigh* documented processes. I'm afraid this time we skipped the documented process part. Please bear with us ;-) I have to disagree with you. Maybe this is a reality for a large project such as LibreOffice. But I have collaborated (and still do) on FOSS projects that are mostly democratic. So this is not a characteristic of FOSS but maybe of large FOSS projects. Do you have examples? I'd be happy to hear about them, I'm sure we work in a very similar fashion... best, Charles. In any case I managed to hack the Tango theme and replace the new icons with the old ones (BTW someone forgot to update the saveastemplate icons in the new Theme ;) ) You can't use your old tango theme from 3.4.x because the folder structure has been changed between versions. So, if anyone is interested, it's freely available here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/images_tango.zip There are no virus or backdoors or whatnot (it just contains png images so it can not possibly contain any harmful code) You have to replace the old theme because for some odd reason the list of allowed themes seems to be hardcoded. Otherwise I would have called it old_tango, floppy_tango or stubborn_users'_tango :) For Windows user it should be placed at %ProgramFiles%\LibreOffice 3.5\share\config\images_tango.zip Thank you for the tip! Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi again Charles Charles-H.Schulz wrote Do you have examples? I'd be happy to hear about them, I'm sure we work in a very similar fashion... Of course. Here is an excellent one http://emergedesktop.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1419 You don't work in a similar fashion ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3726162.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hello Pedro, Le Wed, 8 Feb 2012 06:47:05 -0800 (PST), Pedro pedl...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi again Charles Charles-H.Schulz wrote Do you have examples? I'd be happy to hear about them, I'm sure we work in a very similar fashion... Of course. Here is an excellent one http://emergedesktop.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1419 You don't work in a similar fashion ;) I think we do. And I think some terms may not be very accurately used here. What this thread says -and I took the time not to just look at the thread but at the other areas of the project as well- is that developers listen to user feedback. And that's probably a good thing to do although some people might disagree (cf. Henry Ford); yet listening to user feedback hardly makes up a democracy. It's user feedback. In some cases it might be a case of nice customer service. But it does not help that much. I'll explain myself. Let me describe to you what I called limited democracy here, and I'll also give you links of small and less small FOSS projects that implement meritocracy and are by no ways democracies (other than limited democracies). A FOSS project mainly produces code. Its sole reason, in fact, is to produce code; whether someone pays for it or manages to be a guru at product strategy and marketing so well he can even entrance hackers in its Reality Distortion Field is another question. FOSS projects produce code. Then, around that rough code you have another categories of contributors: the QA testers, the localizers, the documentation writers, the marketers (no particular order here); sometimes you have the extension developers as well. All these people do something very specific: they contribute to the project. Granted it might not only be code, but that's beside the point. They contribute and they make the project. The reason they contribute might be completely unknown to you, or there might be as many reasons as you will find for each contributor. It's good sometimes to question or to know what's the general reason to contribute from one or two active contributors, but it's not always necessary. Back to our contributors; they form the active people who push the project forward, heck, they are the project themselves. But because each of them might contribute for various and sometimes opposite reasons, any of them, sometimes even all of them or a good majority of them, will stop contributing; conversely, they might even increase their contribution. If you stick to the original line from Eric Raymond (the Cathedral and the Bazaar, a must read), the reason any developer would contribute is because he/she'd like to scratch an itch. Granted that scratch might be for hire or is already funded, but that's besides the point. In the end, it's the people who make the software (and distribute it, promote it) who call the shots. They call the shots because they get to make the software at various levels. So it's a meritocracy because it's a do-ocracy in a sense. The good news here is that it makes up for quite a lot of people. The not so good news in a sense, is that mere users, by which I mean passive users, who do not contribute anything in terms of code, tests, localization, documentation, dictionaries, pamphlets, designs, etc. are only left with one choice: to use the software if they like it, or to stop using it. The only reason is not that it's not a democracy, it's just that they don't have the power to act on the software project unless they adopt or reject it. There is also a more subtle good part in this: no user is barred to join the contributors' ranks; and when this user actually does, he'll have a say as long as he remains a contributor. There are projects who do not formally formalize too much who specifically are their contributors. Some others do. The Document Foundation does formalize it to the extent that it is our contributors who own the foundation and nobody else does. It's not just in our social contract or an unwritten assumption, it's legal . There are rather broad criteria to define what a contributor is and does (our bylaws and statutes define them) and anyone who qualifies become thus a member of the foundation with rather large political rights. In this sense we have democracy. But FOSS projects do not run on open and democratic structure; they run on transparent and agreed processes, with an free and open source code at their core. Hope this helps, and sorry for the long email, -- Charles-H. Schulz Member of the Board of Directors, The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi again, I forgot the links... Le Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:58:17 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : --- SNIP http://www.debian.org http://www.fedora-project.org http://www.opensuse.org http://www.claws-mail.org http://www.drupal.org http://www.django.org http://www.archlinux.org http://www.hforge.org (all different projects of various sizes)... Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Member of the Board of Directors, The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi again Charles Charles-H.Schulz wrote What this thread says -and I took the time not to just look at the thread but at the other areas of the project as well- is that developers listen to user feedback. And that's probably a good thing to do although some people might disagree (cf. Henry Ford); yet listening to user feedback hardly makes up a democracy. It's user feedback. In some cases it might be a case of nice customer service. But it does not help that much. I'll explain myself. Let's see. The developer is asking the community who is using a given feature (which he states would prefer to drop). Yet he subjects this to an open poll (not even limited to the registered forum users) and he is willing to accept the opinion of the majority. If that is not a democracy, it's damn close! How is that even similar to meritocracy? Meritocracy would be: I'm the developer, I don't have time for this so I'm dropping it. If some one else wants to keep developing it, just do it. I'm not arguing that all those projects that you pointed do not follow the same logic (I'm not saying this is a TDF / LO exclusive). I'm just showing you that other FOSS projects can be (and some are!) democratic. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3726667.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Le Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:04:34 -0800 (PST), Pedro pedl...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi again Charles Charles-H.Schulz wrote What this thread says -and I took the time not to just look at the thread but at the other areas of the project as well- is that developers listen to user feedback. And that's probably a good thing to do although some people might disagree (cf. Henry Ford); yet listening to user feedback hardly makes up a democracy. It's user feedback. In some cases it might be a case of nice customer service. But it does not help that much. I'll explain myself. Let's see. The developer is asking the community who is using a given feature (which he states would prefer to drop). Yet he subjects this to an open poll (not even limited to the registered forum users) and he is willing to accept the opinion of the majority. If that is not a democracy, it's damn close! How is that even similar to meritocracy? Meritocracy would be: I'm the developer, I don't have time for this so I'm dropping it. If some one else wants to keep developing it, just do it. I'm not arguing that all those projects that you pointed do not follow the same logic (I'm not saying this is a TDF / LO exclusive). I'm just showing you that other FOSS projects can be (and some are!) democratic. hmm, then I don't agree with your qualification of democratic. You have similar polls in supermarkets. But supermarkets are no democracies. A democracy means a democratic structure, not a consumer/plebeian feedback process, no matter how effective it is. best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Member of the Board of Directors, The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Charles-H.Schulz wrote You have similar polls in supermarkets. But supermarkets are no democracies. Really? Supermarkets make polls for products they do not wish to sell? And they do accept the shopper's decision? I have never seen such a supermarket! Anyway even if the developers aren't elected by the users (to have what you call a democratic structure) it still is pretty close to a democracy and much more community friendly than meritocracy ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3726790.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi Pedro, On 08/02/2012 18:37, Pedro wrote: Charles-H.Schulz wrote You have similar polls in supermarkets. But supermarkets are no democracies. Really? Supermarkets make polls for products they do not wish to sell? And they do accept the shopper's decision? I have never seen such a supermarket! Anyway even if the developers aren't elected by the users (to have what you call a democratic structure) it still is pretty close to a democracy and much more community friendly than meritocracy ;) I think that nobody in the community would prevent you to organize such a poll. If you manage to deal with it from the ux and developer point of view, we always valued the broader input we can get. If you look at what is happening currently for the conditional formating dialog, http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-ux-advise-conditional-format-dialog-td3724185.html what you want is currently happening. But (there is always a but ;) the size of our community makes it very difficult to manage the feedback from our users. More if you add the language communities feedback (for this specific case, I know the FR community has been asked for feedback) it's even more complicated to collect the thoughts and translate them. So if you feel that you can manage to organize a communication flow between the different actors of the project, I'm really sure that nobody will prevent you to do so, on the contrary I'm sure you'll find people to support you and help you. It's not democracy still, it's: you want it, you do it ;-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Sophie Gautier wrote the size of our community makes it very difficult to manage the feedback from our users That is exactly what I said :) I accept that it is difficult to have democracy in such a large community. My argument is that FOSS is not inherently incompatible with democracy, contrary to David's logical demonstration and to Charles' argumentation. In any case it would be a futile exercise to just do a Poll since it would not bind anyone to the results :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3727022.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
On 08/02/2012 19:41, Pedro wrote: Sophie Gautier wrote the size of our community makes it very difficult to manage the feedback from our users That is exactly what I said :) I accept that it is difficult to have democracy in such a large community. My argument is that FOSS is not inherently incompatible with democracy, contrary to David's logical demonstration and to Charles' argumentation. In any case it would be a futile exercise to just do a Poll since it would not bind anyone to the results :) I won't be so pessimistic. Of course, if it's a poll without any process and defined workflow, I agree with you. But if before you put an organization in place, it won't be futile and could bring a lot to the project. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Þann mið 8.feb 2012 18:50, skrifaði sophie: On 08/02/2012 19:41, Pedro wrote: Sophie Gautier wrote the size of our community makes it very difficult to manage the feedback from our users That is exactly what I said :) I accept that it is difficult to have democracy in such a large community. My argument is that FOSS is not inherently incompatible with democracy, contrary to David's logical demonstration and to Charles' argumentation. In any case it would be a futile exercise to just do a Poll since it would not bind anyone to the results :) I won't be so pessimistic. Of course, if it's a poll without any process and defined workflow, I agree with you. But if before you put an organization in place, it won't be futile and could bring a lot to the project. Even though I did forward my 2 cents on the issue, I didn't have such a strong opinion on the matter (the usual 5% of the users I occationally support will moan, I'm sure). To me, the case was solved by those who were there - at the time it happened - so be it. Maybe I'm not really bothered because this about a (trivial?) thing which then may be overruled/changed in the future, when/if there will be a more general policy-decision about icon-sets and theming. And before taking such bigger (democratic) decisions, there's a lot of work to do. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
