Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-14 Thread Christophe Strobbe
Hi, At 05:52 10-11-2011, Augustine Souza wrote: For the new forum ... My request is that background images for functional content be kept to a minimum for reasons of accessibility. Some people may want to have a different color for the page background because they find white painful. (There

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-14 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Christophe Strobbe wrote on 2011-11-14 11:11: I would like to add a few more accessibility considerations: * If phpBB is chosen for the forum, please take a look at http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17254: An accessible style for PhpBB. (You can also get in touch with

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-11 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 08/11/2011 Cor Nouws wrote: For some time, I could personally live quite well with a forum that is clearly, visibly, independent serving LibreOffice and other suites. Since suggestions made in that direction seem to be more political than technical feasible, I can leave that illusion. Does

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-11 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Andrea, Andrea Pescetti wrote (11-11-11 10:38) On 08/11/2011 Cor Nouws wrote: For some time, I could personally live quite well with a forum that is clearly, visibly, independent serving LibreOffice and other suites. Since suggestions made in that direction seem to be more political than

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-11 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Andrea, [...] Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a different look, is no real option. You must have noticed that post. Really ? Please have a look at : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 and

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-11 Thread drew
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Andrea, [...] Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a different look, is no real option. You must have noticed that post. Really ? Please have a look

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-11 Thread drew
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 08:10 -0500, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Andrea, [...] Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a different look, is no real option. You must

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-11 Thread Alexandre Silveira
After reading this, a quick reply... What end users are asking is the end user support for the product they use - LIBREOFFICE -, thats the main reason of friendly web forums. For the few - TDF is not APACHE as well LIBREOFFICE is not a clone of OPENOFFICE. They are NOT THE SAME and SHOULD

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-09 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Drew, Le Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:46:09 -0500, drew d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 09:31 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: snip Page is up, feel free to add to it: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/UsersForum Hi Charles, Thanks for starting that

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi *, Cor Nouws wrote (29-10-11 00:16) Now I wonder: what about the future of forums for LibreOffice? It looks convenient to have all at one place. On the other side: LibreOffice will grow to be different more and more. Different code base, more functions. So apart from that it is maybe not

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, of course, there is no need to hurry, but why not start (in case we want to go for it) now, so we have enough time to evaluate and decide? Better than doing things in a rush later on. :-) The topic itself is not new, it has in fact been up already since nearly the beginning of TDF.

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote (08-11-11 15:33) of course, there is no need to hurry, but why not start (in case we want to go for it) now, so we have enough time to evaluate and decide? Yes, not doing things in a rush is good. What I was referring to: if there is less need to hurry,

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Florian, I'll open a wiki page tomorrow with some requirements listed so that we come up with some criteria for a forum platform. Others are free to fill the page as well. Best, Charles. Le 8 nov. 2011 22:58, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Hi, Cor Nouws wrote on

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Cor Nouws wrote: Andrea Pescetti wrote (05-11-11 13:02) when it comes to user support the people involved are much more pragmatic That would be my expectation too. And then 'people involved', I would read as those with questions, answers and with moderation tasks. Yes, that was my

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Andrea Pescetti wrote (06-11-11 11:18) And branding can be adapted too, and possibly made dependent on the URL. Ah, that is interesting (I only have knowledge of office suites you know ;-) ) But technology is really easy in this case: the main issue, as I wrote, is political. Isn't

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-06 Thread Augustine Souza
On 11/7/11, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: ... Isn't politics about branding, and the other way round too?! ... I'm not sure the legal team(s) will bless any attempt to even give the impression of a common forum. There have been mutterings not just about brand value but also intellectual

RE: [NOT-SO-PRIVATE] RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: [PRIVATE] RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? I don't want to take this response to either ooo-dev or tdf-discuss. I think your compromise is an interesting one, but I don't think it is feasible. There are political issues and technical issues. The technical issue is having a different URL

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 31/10/2011 Florian Effenberger wrote: What I would like to have is one official LibO forum, either done by us or someone else, that is open for all languages, and run by a group that does not have members who openly show hostility towards TDF. I am not saying that everyone does so, but at

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-02 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2011-11-02 11:13: Ok. The forum will sure have a search function, just like every forum has, right? Could our new forum combine automatically three searches at once? (1) Show the matches inside our forum (2) Show the matches within the ML archives (3) Show Google

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-02 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-11-01 13:32: The other day you had asked me for my url to the forums, and I have not heard back from you in regards to what you think. I was looking at the administrative control panel of phpbb and I would be able to install other language packs.

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-11-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 10/31/11 8:49 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, thanks everyone for your feedback and your kind offers to help, that's really much appreciated! As for which type to use, I must say that a normal forum is the only way, IMHO. We've been experimenting with Nabble, and the result has

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 30.10.2011 23:14, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: NOTE: There is no German Language Forum at OpenOffice.org. You are talking about the forums formerly hosted by Sun/Oracle, right? There have always been pure community-driven forums at http://openoffice.info/ This site points to Englisch,

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Marc-André Laverdière wrote: I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange. Seems someone else already had that idea:

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth in either mailing list or forums usage... No idea.

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On 31 Oct 2011, at 11:33, Thorsten Behrens wrote: what *I* think is that Joe Random User typically wields his search engine of choice, and clicks on whatever appears promising on the first result page - and *then* maybe gets sucked into whatever forum/list/stackexchange platform is behind

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 10/31/2011 07:26 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Marc-André Laverdière wrote: I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange. Seems

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 10/31/2011 03:49 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, [...] What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those folks? IIRC, there had been discussions, with some groups, and

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? On 10/31/2011 03:49 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, [...] What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
I am not too inclined towards our own whatever for user support because a) that's not cool to split the community b) we'll get flak on LWN et al and c) we loose gazillion pages of answered problems that may be useful for the next guy. Marc-André LAVERDIÈRE Perseverance must finish its work so

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 30/10/2011 01:27, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: I know that I am skipping a lot of the back-and-forth here, but let me point out the elephant in the room... Why forums in the first place? I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
Who in their right mind want forums? If you want exchange of ideas, mailing lists are great. If you want a solution to your problem, Forums just stink. Stack overflow was designed to overcome the limitations of old school forums. Why go back? Actually, we should think about how to port the old

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have the same needs as developers. I just assume there's no fundamental truth in either mailing list or forums usage... Best, Charles. Le 30/10/2011 13:42,

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
Seeing is believing sometimes... On 30 Oct 2011 08:50, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Well, it turns out many people seem to want to use forums, and most of them are not technical, they are end users so I don't expect they have the same needs as developers. I

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, 2011 07:11 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? hehe, yes, sometimes. Although believing is a matter of opinion, while Faith does (usually) not require eyes . It should be also said that I am myself a very rare forum user, but, just like the fact that I'm

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
for the independent German language Forum. I'm confident it would create a top 4. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 15:14 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? I have

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi, Le 29/10/2011 00:16, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi, I noticed that the old users forums from OOo are not available any more. I was not a frequent visitor, but helped a bit with questions (on the Dutch language version) now and then. There was a mixture of questions related to OOo and of

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 29/10/2011 08:23, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi, Le 29/10/2011 00:16, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi, I noticed that the old users forums from OOo are not available any more. I was not a frequent visitor, but helped a bit with questions (on the Dutch language version) now and then. There was a

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Andrea, Andrea Pescetti wrote (29-10-11 01:11) I believe that in general fragmenting support is not a good idea, unless it is really needed. Me too - though there are some nuances. I write about this in some other mails. Regards, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
I know that I am skipping a lot of the back-and-forth here, but let me point out the elephant in the room... Why forums in the first place? I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual