Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
if you had objection to contribute to Oracle under these terms you should be just as reluctant to contribute anything under the Apache License. Norbert -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RE-Re-tdf-discuss-RE-Proposal-to-join-Apache-OpenOffice-tp3023594p3025592

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 09:19, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you think that is a bit over-paranoid? I don't think he is. If OOo was so valuable how come they didn't actually sell it off to someone like IBM for real dollars? How do I know that it did not happen? Because such

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On 4 Jun 2011, at 19:06, Sam Ruby wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: I should think there is probably broader commercial or legal reason for Oracle to hold on to the copyright such as tax relief or just in case it *might* somehow become valuable.

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 4 Jun 2011, at 19:06, Sam Ruby wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: I should think there is probably broader commercial or legal reason for Oracle to hold on to the copyright

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:12:59PM +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: I don't see how it is possible to take it all back Once licensed that code and subsequent derivatives are not in their control. Just like LO can go on developing as before. If they fork the project under their own new license, yes

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Alexandre Silveira
A reminder,about last line. In this particular case Oracle does not have the copyrights about openoffice. If they claim that now,they will have serious problems with other companies for a lot of reasons... Em 05/06/2011 16:06, Marvin Humphrey escreveu: On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:12:59PM

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread todd rme
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: Consolidation of copyright in the hands of one entity enables unilateral relicensing.  We have all just seen that in action with Oracle's software grant of the OO.o codebase under ALv2 to the ASF, but it was also in

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:06:34, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha scritto: Apologies for top posting, I'm on my phone. Perhaps did I get confused for a moment but I hear that Oracle will in fact retain the copyright on the Openoffice codebase I've read

RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Gianluca, Allen, My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. Allen confirmed my suspicions. I understand, then, that contributing anything now to openoffice means to contribute it to Oracle. Best, charles. Le 4 juin 2011, 6:26 PM, Gianluca Turconi

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:33:26, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha scritto: My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. I'm reading the Groklaw article right now. is this

RE : Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Yes. Charles. Le 4 juin 2011, 6:37 PM, Gianluca Turconi pub...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit : In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:33:26, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha scritto: My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. I'm reading

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Ian Lynch
On 4 June 2011 17:33, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Gianluca, Allen, My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. Allen confirmed my suspicions. I understand, then, that contributing anything now to openoffice means to contribute

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Eduardo Alexandre
2011/6/4 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 4 June 2011 17:33, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Gianluca, Allen, My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. Allen confirmed my suspicions. I understand, then, that contributing

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: I should think there is probably broader commercial or legal reason for Oracle to hold on to the copyright such as tax relief or just in case it *might* somehow become valuable. Oracle offered to transfer the copyright, and

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: I should think there is probably broader commercial or legal reason for Oracle to hold on to the copyright such as tax relief or just in case it