Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-16 Thread William Brall
I say avoid analogue clocks. People younger than I am are less and less likely to be able to read an analogue clock. In point of fact. I have to decipher them. This means I can't 'read' them. I can figure them out, the same way I can figure out a word I've never read before. But it takes a lot

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-16 Thread j. eric townsend
William Brall wrote: the on pixels off. This will prevent burn in, as all the pixels will get exactly the same amount of wear, Just to be pedantic, this will not prevent burn-in. This solution causes the display to fail sooner-but-evenly. *All* the pixels will wear out at the same time --

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-16 Thread William Brall
True true. But if the clock is always on, those pixels will fail at the same rate that they would in either case. So the display will get dimmer over time, rather than show 88:88 dim with the rest of the screen bright. It turns illegibility into readable by dark. So if you take all the other

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-13 Thread Rob Tannen
Thanks for the few direct and the many consultant/zen-like responses (don't use a clock, etc). Yes we are providing the option to turn off the clock display and it will also become dimmer after a period of inactivity. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-12 Thread Lisa deBettencourt
To not address the clock/no clock issue (as it could be specific client request, etc.) Assumption here: the appliance is in a fixed location like the kitchen. Do you have control over the brightness of the display? One option would be to have a light sensor in the device where you detect the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Davies
Why don't you actually use the clock information to reduce burn-in? Surely not many people will be cooking late at night and early in the morning. So just do a rough estimate and say not many people will be using the cooker between 10pm and 6am, thats an 8 hour period where the digital display

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-12 Thread Jim Drew
Eeww. Use case failure: swing shift worker Use case failure: busy mom, up before dawn Use case failure: set time after the power comes back on late at night, zap, display goes dead (this could be worked around, assuming someone thought about it) There are also non-use cases surrounding

[IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Rob Tannen
Looking for suggestions to avoid clock burn-in. This is a small display on a consumer appliance that displays the time in digit or analog format when not in use. We don't want the clock to move around (like a screen-saver). What are alternate ways to deal with this? Best Regards, Rob

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Jack Moffett
Rob, Pardon me for not addressing your question, but having just posted to my blog about clocks on appliances (http://designaday.tumblr.com/post/58432215/overclocked ), I have to ask. Is it really beneficial for this particular appliance to have a clock, and is its use optional? Best,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Mark Ahlenius
Hi, I'd second what Jack offered - about necessity only I'd take this from another angle - ease of use. Hear me out on this. We have 5 digital clocks in our kitchen, not individually by choice. The stove, an under the counter CD player, an under the counter TV/Weather radio, a microwave,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Mabel Ney
Is it possible to do a slight shift throughout the day? For museum kiosks we did a pixel range in which we shifted the logo up, down. left right to minimize burn in. Perhaps this could be done at the turn of each hour to minimize the visibity of the shift. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread j. eric townsend
Mark Ahlenius wrote: Trust me this is a pain. I think right now if I had to purchase another appliance, I'd go out of my way to not get one with a clock. ;-} No wonder so many households have the flashing 12:00's on their (old) VCRs. Or at least a way to dim or turn off the display. I've

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Marijke Rijsberman
And please think of all those poor souls who would like to save energy and turn their appliances off-off when not in use. It's a real pain to put them all on a powerstrip, so as to be able to turn them all off at night or when otherwise not in use and be greeted with a forest of blinking lights

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Jeff Howard
Hi Rob, Rather than reframe the problem, I'm going to try to address the question you asked but it would help to know a little more about the type of display you're working with. If it's a CRT, it seems like the analog clock would result in less burn-in than the digital clock because the hands

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clock Burn-In

2008-11-10 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
Good comments about not using the clock at all. If you must, you can try a combination of analog and digital clock, where large digits move in a narrow circle over the 12 hour period. -- Oleh Kovalchuke Interaction Design is design of time