Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-09 Thread karl
I tend to agree with Will here; a couple of years ago I was working for a company in the UK. The software gave users access to different functions or features depending on their permissions, but the developers opted to make all functions show while those that were unavailable were greyed out. W

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-09 Thread Bart Schouten
Thanks for the replies! I'll go with the disabled tooltip solution. I think that's best :) Sometimes you just need a little confirmation on your thoughts to make up your mind ;) Thanks again. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http:/

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-08 Thread Jack Moffett
On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Michael Micheletti wrote: So I seem to be following your rules at the feature level - if the users have phone functionality, show them all the phone controls, even if some are disabled. Within a feature/panel though, I'll always show the controls. So, for examp

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-08 Thread Michael Micheletti
I like the clear way you've stated these rules Jack, thanks. I recently did a design review with support and field engineers looking at concept sketches. They all spoke out (rather strongly) to request that controls always be visible on the screen and not disappear. It seems that vanishing control

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-06 Thread William Brall
The only exception to the above rules I can think of is when a user can never use a particular tool. Or when they can only use it should someone give them new permissions. An example of this might be admin tools that only a site administrator needs, such as deleting posts on a forum, or a menu ite

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-06 Thread Victor Zambrano
I for one would say never make interface items disappear, as it might startle the user and might create modes, and modes are usually difficult to deal with. Disabling might be a solution. Including rollover tooltips that explain why buttons are disabled might help the user understand the situation

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-06 Thread Jack Moffett
Bart, Your instincts are correct. Here's a post I made on my blog awhile back: Developers often ask me whether a function should be hidden when not available, or merely disabled. I gave them the following two rules in my UI Design First Aid lecture. When a function is unavailable due to cu

[IxDA Discuss] Inactive UI elements: disable or disappear?

2008-12-06 Thread Bart Schouten
I'm struggling with an UI issue, so I'm hoping to receive some advice from you. Imagine a textprocessor (i.e. Word) application in which you can edit both text and image objects. The interface is clean and simple, only the most needed functions are available in this app. An advantage of the limited