Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-02 Thread jonathan berger
This is a TERRIBLE idea. A mildly sophisticated user—say, someone who knows how to plug in a printer, or use the print preview—can wreck havoc. There's some great security stuff at Schneier's blog: http://www.schneier.com/blog/ On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Matthew Greendcartfi...@gmail.com

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-02 Thread Brian
I have to agree with Nils on this one. I use to work at a college as well and rules are changing and continue to as far as how things get stored but the most important information like SS# and personal password should never be even stored in a db without encryption. It isn't even about identity

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-02 Thread Benjamin Ho
My 2 cents: Matthew wrote: website: a user management system for secure student data. Clients are a little paranoid about passwords and user names getting out. *** If that's the case, make sure the site has the best security. Masking passwords or making them viewable only by printing won't

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-02 Thread William Brall
FYI md5 is totally cracked. It can be broken in a matter of seconds these days. Try other forms of 1 way encryption. Salt heavily. If you are really paranoid, encrypt twice in two different ways. But a good strong atypical one way encryption should be good enough. Even md5 should be enough if you

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-02 Thread Scott McDaniel
William's response made me think: it might be worth seeing if you could budget a few hours from a security specialist to give a professional opinion. Even if your boss still regard it as just, like, your opinion, man it may be a angle to get a viewpoint from someone he/she will see as an

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-02 Thread Mike B .
It sounds like a student comes to a customer-service type person and asks to have their password reset, and they are handed a print-out of the new password. In general, I think you are right, users expect that what is printed is what is shown on the screen. That's why lots of websites have a link

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-01 Thread Oliver Reichenstein
Printing out a password is the most absurd security measure for password protection--unless you have the power to force the user to chew and swallow the paper sheet... ;-) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-01 Thread Rajesh Sundaram
Unless the password is printed out on a pre-sealed, 1+1 copy paper (the kind of post-card like paper that most credit card companies use to send you the passwords), it is totally non-secure. - Rajesh On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Oliver Reichenstein o...@mac.com wrote: Printing out a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-01 Thread live
Totally and completely absurd. Print? A password? I'm laughing at the thought. On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Matthew Green wrote: Hello, Someone I work for has a strange enhancement request which I do not agree with, but this person is the boss. I think in my gut, this is wrong.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-01 Thread Niklas Mortensen
I wholeheartedly agree with Joshua. His approach is ultimately best for the users and also save lots of admin resources (cold hard cash in client-speak) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43289

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-07-01 Thread Nils Clark-Bernhard
I wouldn't even store plain text passwords in the DB, normally they are md5-encrypted so nobody can read them. They should never be shown, printed or emailed plaintext to anybody, not even to the administrator. If the student data need to be secure, make them secure. Joshua is definitely right.

[IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-06-30 Thread Matthew Green
Hello, Someone I work for has a strange enhancement request which I do not agree with, but this person is the boss. I think in my gut, this is wrong. *website: * a user management system for secure student data. Clients are a little paranoid about passwords and user names getting out.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for data to refute crazy client

2009-06-30 Thread Joshua Muskovitz
The system should programmatically choose a new temporary password and should send it to the user, with a note reminding them to change it immediately. The administrators should not have direct access to the temporary or user-selected passwords. Functions that the administrators are able to