Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-11-02 Thread Esteban Barahona
i am fine with 10 case sensitive alphanumerical passwords... if https is used (or any encryption). one has to be user friendly... but not enemy friendly (easy to crack paswords by guessing... dictionary attack). information design ...but first architecture... it is all about the branding

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-11-02 Thread Alethea Woo
Combination of 2 buttons, like shift one letter, do increase the hassle. In the term of action, no matter digit or letter, any button equates each other cuz the action required are all to click once. But regards to memory, combination of letter and digit certainly adds to the load. Some websites

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-31 Thread J. A. Fitzpatrick
For those who are interested in this subject, I know some people who are working on the problem: http://usable.com/ Also, you might want to check out the SOUPS conference: http://cups.cs.cmu.edu/soups/2009/ Cheers, J.A.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-30 Thread Eva Kaniasty
As always, this is a matter of when the cure is worse than the disease. For most non-transactional websites, requiring a strong password is overkill. In fact, having a password at all is overkill. The job application scenario someone mentioned above is one example. Is the user served in any

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-30 Thread Ali Naqvi
Well said Eva... my point exactly. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=34957 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-29 Thread Ali Naqvi
Chris wrote `Amazon DOES have minimum password requirements: I tried to change my current password to easy... ` Amazon does not tell you that you HAVE to include atleast 1 digit or any capital letters in your password. The user experience is amazing. One can buy items by clicking 3 times only...

[IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread ali
Many of you might have tried creating an account online in order to participate in an online forum or in order to apply for a job in a major corporation. Many times a password needs to consist of the following- A capital letter A digit or sometimes 2 digits Minimum 8 Characters The password must

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Mark Canlas
Here's the programmer-sympathetic counter to what you're saying. Users tend to choose the easiest-to-type passwords. These passwords also tend to be the easiest to break in to. No end-user is willing to take responsibility for a compromised system. None. The potential cost of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Ali Naqvi
Hello Mark, as I stated earlier the `regular expression` needed in order to prevent misuse should allow a user to use the same digit in his/her password as used in the username. When I took the course PHP and MYSQL I learned that `regular expressions` can be used in a userfriendly manner. . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Santiago Bustelo
Mark Canlas wrote: No end-user is willing to take responsibility for a compromised system. Asking users to choose a password compels them to take responsibility. Their cost/benefit judgement (strong vs. easy to remember password in regard to their perceived value of what is at stake) should be

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Andrew Jaswa
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Mark Canlas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the programmer-sympathetic counter to what you're saying. Users tend to choose the easiest-to-type passwords. These passwords also tend to be the easiest to break in to. All of my strong passwords are easy to type

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Sohel Kapasi
Very recent suggestion I have provided in my current project, which I felt reasonably good solutions to overcome this password remembering hassle. I agree with this issue, me also forgetting password for so many websites and application where my password is not come into my password generating

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Chris Vestal
These strong password requirements were not invented by evil programmers designed to thwart the heroic efforts of usability experts across the globe... It is one of the minimum due diligence requirements (PCI) for merchants who want to accept major credit cards online.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Andy Polaine
If a user has ADHD, then there is software to help them keep (and even create) strong passwords. I usually just use this one: •• ;-) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Santiago Bustelo
Chris Vestal wrote: http://usa.visa.com It is not about security through inconvenience but there are real technical reasons for strong passwords at least on e-commerce sites. Usually is about inconvenience *instead* of security. The most commonly used security metric is how safe users feel they

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Mark Canlas
So you would advocate letting users set blank or English-word passwords? The user may think these are secure enough. But what will they think when their funds are depleted by someone who broke into their account? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Santiago Bustelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Chris

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Ali Naqvi
to Mark, you have to keep in mind that my post was concerning Online Forum and Job Application passwords. I did not mention B2B or any other site where credit card information is needed. Lets for instance say that I am a Nigerian mother wanting to discuss children in a forum for mothers. Why

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Chris Vestal
Reality Check - Card-issuing banks and VISA/Mastercard are NOT the same thing. While you are correct that two algorithms can measure the strength/weakness of a password differently, the financial responsibility is NOT ultimately with the user, but it rests currently on the merchant and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

2008-10-28 Thread Santiago Bustelo
We may be talking about different things here. Never said strong passwords are an inconvenience. Ali Naqvi started this thread asking: Why cant a username 'ABS_4u' have the following password 'Malemodel_14? Strong password: for passwordmeter.com's algorithm, 'Malemodel_14' strenght is sufficient