Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread clem...@igonet.fr
Why don't the women take the place and the power by themselves? Le 25 juin 2015 08:19:25 UTC+02:00, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org a écrit : On Jun 24, 2015, at 20:35, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: This is false. Simply false. If people are abused out of a line of work

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Pat Tressel
The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment... Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of marketing and branding. Is this an effective advertisement? Does it accomplish the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Pat Tressel
I hesitate to step into the sexism in tech debate, but... There may be some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant -- some specifically have to do with conferences. This list is not R-rated, so rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you search

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread David Percy
Hi Sanghee, thanks for bringing this into the open. There are a lot of strong feelings/opinions on this subject, which as a strong community we will work through. The Dali painting seems innocent. The girl band photo, lacking a lot of context, says to me come to South Korea for the pretty

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Jachym Cepicky
Hi, even the discussion seems to calm down already (or maybe because of that), I would like to leave some notes as well: Yes, I make jokes about everything, even serious stuff. It's my way, how to deal with difficult topics, where is no single clear answer or the everything seems to be screwed -

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Peter Baumann
wise words, will do so :) -Peter On 06/25/15 10:34, Sanghee Shin wrote: Dear All, Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 102, Issue 20

2015-06-25 Thread Steven Feldman
Jeff Arnulf may have been challenging or provocative in the points that he made but he wasn’t offensive (at least not in my reading of his post). I think Arnulf makes a good point, CMs are appointed by some process of community approval. CM status is a recognition of contribution that perhaps

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Pat Tressel
There are other aspects to Seoul culture besides K-pop. A montage of several images showing a range of cultural aspects would de-emphasize the sex aspect. ... For contrast, ~everyone on the planet would recognize Psy. If you had a montage of other artists from the K-Pop scene (boy-bands,

[OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of having Open Principles in Education for our future generations

2015-06-25 Thread Suchith Anand
Colleagues, It was just by coincidence while i was working on getting data for a research paper on How to quantify the economic impact of Open Source Geospatial software that i came across Randal Hale's email's on the difficulties faced by one high school in the USA for Proprietary

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Polimi
Dear All and, above All, Sanghee, in my opinion the general theme you are touching is so important that it deserves a deeper discussion. CoC is just a blanket. Below we can find fundamental concepts of diversity and equality (and the practical actions for implementing them) or hot air (this is

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
On Jun 24, 2015, at 20:35, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: This is false. Simply false. If people are abused out of a line of work until they quit, that’s not “women choosing other jobs” anymore than me walking into your house, punching you in the face until you leave then

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Pat Tressel
Peter -- I'm trying to improve the presentation. Ok? Thanks. The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment... Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of marketing and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Massimiliano Cannata
Once again I express my opinion: I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything. If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the agreed CoC. Do we really want to argue about

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Pat Tressel
People aren't seeing the irony in telling us not to discuss the presentation, while at the same time decrying censorship... ;-) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
On Jun 24, 2015, at 23:26, clem...@igonet.fr wrote: Why don't the women take the place and the power by themselves? Why don’t the poor take from the rich? Why don’t the weak take from the strong? Why don’t the slaves take over the master’s house? The question should answer itself. Darrell

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Peter Baumann
although I try to force myself to focus on productive tasks I just have to briefly respond. On 06/24/15 18:46, Andy Anderson wrote: Ah! Anecdotes! Let me provide one from my personal experience that’s more relevant. A female friend of mine attending a school *was* offended by the gratuitous

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Peter Baumann
On 06/25/15 09:26, Pat Tressel wrote: The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment... Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of marketing and branding. Is this an

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Sanghee Shin
Dear All, Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we