Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] domains

2007-08-23 Thread P Kishor
Actually, hit me please if I am being silly.. but why this foss4g
business (which seems so contrived to me... I recently came across
GITS... geog. info. tech. and systems! that really got my eyes
rolling). Why can't we just have

www.osgeo.org/conferences/year

?

On 8/23/07, P Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 wouldn't it be wiser to just have www.foss4g.org/2007 or /2008 and so
 on? Right now the foss4g.org domain goes to a GRASS-Japan portal site.
 Perhaps a little bit of negotiation...?

 On 8/23/07, Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is it not wise to already claim domains like foss4g2008.org and maybe even
  further down the line?
 
  Best regards,
  Bart
 


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] domains

2007-08-23 Thread Tim Bowden
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 15:48 +0530, P Kishor wrote:
 Actually, hit me please if I am being silly.. but why this foss4g
 business (which seems so contrived to me... I recently came across
 GITS... geog. info. tech. and systems! that really got my eyes
 rolling). Why can't we just have
 
 www.osgeo.org/conferences/year
 
 ?

or conf.osgeo.org/year ?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G BOF: GeoFunctions

2007-08-23 Thread Rushforth, Peter
Hi all,

I have created a Birds of a feather session for GeoFunctions.

GeoFunctions is currently a (small) library of XSLT 2 functions
for GEO processing of GML,KML,GeoRSS etc data.  

It includes functions to calculate area, segment length, perimeter,
polygon centroids, plus a few others.

I would like to see if there are other XSLT practitioners out there
who would like to use these functions and perhaps make an open
source project out of it.

I have a few ideas for some useful and cool applications (I think :-), 
and I would like to invite anyone who is interested to join me
at FOSS4G to chat about the possibilities and make plans.

Sign up here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_BOF_Sessions#GeoFunctions_-_XSLT_2_functions_for_GEO_using_saxon

Cheers,

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Jody Garnett
I am going to kick off a general discussion with a story, one that I 
would like to see prevented ...


You arrive at FOSS4G and are really looking forward to showing off your 
new (Web, KML, mashup, gvSig, PostGis, OpenLayer, MapServer, GeoServer, 
GeoNetwork, 3D,  or even DB2 and Oracle). And the question is asked:


Can you show me the ntdb_roads_50 layer?

Why are you being asked this?

Well it is because the fellow in front of you is wanting to see how well 
your software performs, and the last two projects had the same dataset 
(and darn if gvSig was not nearly as fast as ArcView) and he would 
really like to see your project handle the same information.


For more information please bother my friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
visit the following page:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

Remember if you don't download this data, and put it on your laptop 
before the conference, you will just be trying to figure out what this 
stuff is (and how to make your application look good with it) at the 
conference.


Jody
PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run at 
the problem.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Jody Garnett

Bob Basques wrote:

Is this restricted to conference attendees?

Nope.

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?

See the wiki page.

Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] domains

2007-08-23 Thread Frank Warmerdam

P Kishor wrote:

Likewise, democratic decision making may hinder OSGeo's ability to
select more charter members and directors from the developing world.



Now, that would be plain sad and wrong. Again, for now, I am
ambivalent leaning to disagreeing with the above, but OSGeo is still
young. When it really becomes a problem, I hope to use all the
legitimate processes available in a true democracy to try and
overturn/change such a decision-making.


Puneet,

Well, luckily there are a variety of steps available.  Notably discussing
the matter so folks take spatial/cultural diversity into account when
selecting new members and board members.

Also, taking steps to get more folks from the developing world active in
OSGeo internationally so there are obvious and somewhat known candidates to
choose from.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this 
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not 
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.


Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of 
the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start 
folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on participation.



bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Is this restricted to conference attendees?

Nope.

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?

See the wiki page.

Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Dave,

It wasn't immediately obvious that that was where the data was.

bobb



Dave Patton wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:


Can you show me the ntdb_roads_50 layer?

Why are you being asked this?

Well it is because the fellow in front of you is wanting to see how 
well your software performs, and the last two projects had the same 
dataset (and darn if gvSig was not nearly as fast as ArcView) and he 
would really like to see your project handle the same information.


For more information please bother my friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and visit the following page:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

Remember if you don't download this data, and put it on your laptop 
before the conference, you will just be trying to figure out what 
this stuff is (and how to make your application look good with it) at 
the conference.


I'll just point out that there is no need to 'bother' Justin,
as anyone can access all of the free public Canadian Geodata
by following the links on the Canadian Geodata wiki page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata


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[OSGeo-Discuss] LAS library

2007-08-23 Thread Zachary L. Stauber
Hi All,
 I've got a question for the OSGeo board, whoever might like to answer 
this.  I've organized the New Mexico, USA chapter of OSGeo, and we have our 
own server which we have yet to put up any code or projects on yet 
(www.nmosgeo.org), because that was meant for things that we would develop in 
the future (after the chapter had been created), feeling like we wouldn't get 
anything we'd already done under the umbrella of an employer released 
outright.
 However my employer has just finally given their blessing to release the 
internal LAS file reader/writer library that we've been using to open source, 
most likely as LGPL.  The library was written by John Nipper, who also wrote 
the LAS v1.0/1.1 standard and it's written in Visual C++ 6.0, but it is 
rather vanilla (e.g., structs rather than objects whenever possible) and I'm 
sure it'll have python and C# hooks in there pretty quick once it's OS.
 My question is: rather than putting it straight on an SVN source server 
on our local site, I wanted to know if the OSGeo folks thought it would get 
more mileage if they hosted it on osgeo.org on their own source tree?  If not 
we'll do it.  But if OSGeo does, it they would control who has access to the 
SVN or CVS.  John isn't really interested in parenting it anymore.  Otherwise 
we'll host it on www.nmosgeo.org and I'll be parenting the SVN with the help 
of our webmaster, Karl Benedict.

 -Zack

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Bob,

I think what Jody was trying to point you at was this:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#PostGIS_Database_:_Refractions_Research

It is what you say, a single spot of storage for the data which has a
subset of those datasets posted on the Canadian Geodata page.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
 Jody,
 
 Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
 page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
 A lot of reference and catalog description links though.
 
 Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
 exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.
 
 Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of
 the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start
 folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
 participation.
 
 
 bobb
 
 
 
 Jody Garnett wrote:
 Bob Basques wrote:
 Is this restricted to conference attendees?
 Nope.
 Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?
 See the wiki page.

 Jody
 PS. Join the osgeo data committee if you want to collaborate on this
 kind of thing outside of the bounds of the conference.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Jody,

Not a big deal for me, just thinking about others that might try it.

I started through the first entry in Dave Pattons's list and still 
haven't figured out where the download spot is,  I'm doing this between 
other things though, so I'm easily distracted.


I'll do more of a random attempt at looking for the data sources next.

bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this 
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not 
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.


Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy 
of the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would 
start folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on 
participation.
I only was aware of the data loaded into the PostGIS database there; 
you can access the database to rip it out onto your machine. But it 
sounds like the data is available separately at the link Dave Patton 
described:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

We should edit the wiki to make this more obvious,
Jody


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Justin Deoliveira
The link provided by Jody is more for people who can access the data
directly from the postgis database.

If you are looking to get at the original data you will have to contact
the provider of the dataset: myself, Dave Patton, or Jason Birch.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
 Jody,
 
 Not a big deal for me, just thinking about others that might try it.
 
 I started through the first entry in Dave Pattons's list and still
 haven't figured out where the download spot is,  I'm doing this between
 other things though, so I'm easily distracted.
 
 I'll do more of a random attempt at looking for the data sources next.
 
 bobb
 
 
 
 Jody Garnett wrote:
 Bob Basques wrote:
 Jody,

 Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
 page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
 A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

 Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
 exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

 Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy
 of the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would
 start folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
 participation.
 I only was aware of the data loaded into the PostGIS database there;
 you can access the database to rip it out onto your machine. But it
 sounds like the data is available separately at the link Dave Patton
 described:
 - http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

 We should edit the wiki to make this more obvious,
 Jody


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Isn't part of the idea that the db can be hit live during the event -  
or was that a pipe dream?


Tyler

On 23-Aug-07, at 9:55 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote:


The link provided by Jody is more for people who can access the data
directly from the postgis database.

If you are looking to get at the original data you will have to  
contact

the provider of the dataset: myself, Dave Patton, or Jason Birch.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:

Jody,

Not a big deal for me, just thinking about others that might try it.

I started through the first entry in Dave Pattons's list and still
haven't figured out where the download spot is,  I'm doing this  
between

other things though, so I'm easily distracted.

I'll do more of a random attempt at looking for the data sources  
next.


bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on  
this
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/ 
FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a  
copy

of the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would
start folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
participation.

I only was aware of the data loaded into the PostGIS database there;
you can access the database to rip it out onto your machine. But it
sounds like the data is available separately at the link Dave Patton
described:
- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

We should edit the wiki to make this more obvious,
Jody


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

This would be prefereable, but I wasn't getting that vibe from these emails.

bobb



Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Isn't part of the idea that the db can be hit live during the event - 
or was that a pipe dream?


Tyler

On 23-Aug-07, at 9:55 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote:


The link provided by Jody is more for people who can access the data
directly from the postgis database.

If you are looking to get at the original data you will have to contact
the provider of the dataset: myself, Dave Patton, or Jason Birch.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:

Jody,

Not a big deal for me, just thinking about others that might try it.

I started through the first entry in Dave Pattons's list and still
haven't figured out where the download spot is,  I'm doing this between
other things though, so I'm easily distracted.

I'll do more of a random attempt at looking for the data sources next.

bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy
of the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would
start folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
participation.

I only was aware of the data loaded into the PostGIS database there;
you can access the database to rip it out onto your machine. But it
sounds like the data is available separately at the link Dave Patton
described:
- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

We should edit the wiki to make this more obvious,
Jody


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

All,

Was only trying to set up a web service that I presumed could be listed 
somewhere that would demo our Client with the data that was described, I 
can download the data myself too.  

Having a DB dump from the PostGIS side, even with some small sub-area 
would work too.  This is just a thought though from my end.


I'll go and download what I can and see what I can get up and running, 
maybe do a couple of layers first, then come back to the list for 
reaction on it to that point, before going to hard at it.


Thanks everyone.

bobb



Dave Patton wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this 
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not 
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.


Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy 
of the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would 
start folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on 
participation.
I only was aware of the data loaded into the PostGIS database there; 
you can access the database to rip it out onto your machine. But it 
sounds like the data is available separately at the link Dave Patton 
described:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata


The proper place to get the original data is via the
links on the Canadian Geodata wiki page.

All of that data was acquired by myself, Jason, and Justin,
and all of it has physically been loaded onto the server
that Justin is managing, which hosts the Integration Showcase.

Not all of the loaded data is yet available via services on
the Integration Showcase server. That's the whole point - until
all the participants in the showcase 'add their piece', you
won't see the complete picture.

Going back to Jody's original point - if you want to be able
to show your software, on your laptop, using the same data
as is available on the Integration Showcase server, then your
best bet is to download the data yourself from the original
data source(s).

It's a different proposition if you want to use your software,
on your laptop, to access data/services that are available
via the Integration Showcase server. For that, you need to
coordinate with Justin.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques



Dave Patton wrote:

There are two different, yet related, things
being discussed here:

1)
If you want your own copy of some part of the
data listed on the Canadian Geodata wiki page,
just go and download whatever you want.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

Working on this now.


2)
If you want access to Canadian Geodata hosted on
the FOSS4G2007 Integration Showcase server, take
a look at it's wiki page, and keep in mind that
the status of what is available via that server
is in flux. What is available now won't be the
same as what's available at the conference. After
all, maybe _you_ are part of the process of making
more of the data available ;-)
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
Nope.  Sorry, just trying things out.  I may possible try and find some 
proxy to show our wares though, we'll see where it goes.


Thanks

bobb




Bob Basques wrote:
This would be prefereable, but I wasn't getting that vibe from these 
emails.


bobb



Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Isn't part of the idea that the db can be hit live during the event 
- or was that a pipe dream?




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Justin,

So it's all Database based.

Hmm,  I figured it was going to be all different types of source data.   
This is kinda making it too easy now.  (Really!)


The system I was going to demo has some good pluses as far as easy 
integration of disparate data.  I don't suppose there is a compressed DB 
dump of this data around anywhere?


I'll work through the Database stuff first then and see where it all 
comes out.


Don't have a PostGIS database available at the moment though, will need 
to get that going too.


Thanks

bobb



Justin Deoliveira wrote:

Hi Bob,

I think what Jody was trying to point you at was this:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#PostGIS_Database_:_Refractions_Research

It is what you say, a single spot of storage for the data which has a
subset of those datasets posted on the Canadian Geodata page.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
  

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of
the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start
folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
participation.


bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:


Bob Basques wrote:
  

Is this restricted to conference attendees?


Nope.
  

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?


See the wiki page.

Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Data for the Integration Showcase

2007-08-23 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Ahh... I see... apologies, I got lost in the various topics of this
thread :).

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
  Justin,
 
 I was trying to set up a standalone install.  I was the one confused to
 start wit, sorry about that.
 
 This stand alone service I was thinking about would simply display the
 data in our application as a demonstrator.
 
 I'm not attending the conference either.  Having a standalone interface
 has some promotional advantages on this end.
 
 bobb
 
 
 
 Justin Deoliveira wrote:
 Hi Bob,

 I think I may be getting confused now too... is there a reason you cant
 just hit one of the layers that is currently set up in the refractions
 database? If none of those layers work for you we can work on finding a
 dataset that will.

 -Justin

 Bob Basques wrote:
   
 All,

 Was only trying to set up a web service that I presumed could be listed
 somewhere that would demo our Client with the data that was described, I
 can download the data myself too. 
 Having a DB dump from the PostGIS side, even with some small sub-area
 would work too.  This is just a thought though from my end.

 I'll go and download what I can and see what I can get up and running,
 maybe do a couple of layers first, then come back to the list for
 reaction on it to that point, before going to hard at it.

 Thanks everyone.

 bobb



 Dave Patton wrote:
 
 Jody Garnett wrote:
   
 Bob Basques wrote:
 
 Jody,

 Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
 page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
 A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

 Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
 exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

 Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy
 of the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would
 start folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
 participation.
   
 I only was aware of the data loaded into the PostGIS database there;
 you can access the database to rip it out onto your machine. But it
 sounds like the data is available separately at the link Dave Patton
 described:
 - http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata
 
 The proper place to get the original data is via the
 links on the Canadian Geodata wiki page.

 All of that data was acquired by myself, Jason, and Justin,
 and all of it has physically been loaded onto the server
 that Justin is managing, which hosts the Integration Showcase.

 Not all of the loaded data is yet available via services on
 the Integration Showcase server. That's the whole point - until
 all the participants in the showcase 'add their piece', you
 won't see the complete picture.

 Going back to Jody's original point - if you want to be able
 to show your software, on your laptop, using the same data
 as is available on the Integration Showcase server, then your
 best bet is to download the data yourself from the original
 data source(s).

 It's a different proposition if you want to use your software,
 on your laptop, to access data/services that are available
 via the Integration Showcase server. For that, you need to
 coordinate with Justin.

   
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