Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 'lossless' JPEG2000

2008-02-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
Michael P. Gerlek wrote: Bruce- It is not clear to me what sort of "study" you would need to convince you, as the ISO standard for encoding data into the JPEG-2000 file format is by construction mathematically and numerically lossless process. (Indeed, "compression", i.e. throwing away bits

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 'lossless' JPEG2000

2008-02-23 Thread Bruce . Bannerman
IMO: Michael, My concern as a custodian of significant image resources is to ensure that the integrity of this data is protected and available for future analytical use by ourselves and by the public. As an example, to conduct multi-temporal analysis of 'imagery' to help understand big pictu

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 'lossless' JPEG2000

2008-02-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Bruce- It is not clear to me what sort of "study" you would need to convince you, as the ISO standard for encoding data into the JPEG-2000 file format is by construction mathematically and numerically lossless process. (Indeed, "compression", i.e. throwing away bits so as to further reduce stora

[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Image Handling in RDBMS

2008-02-23 Thread Tim Keitt
Lucena, Ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dear Gilberto, > Just wanted to let folks know that there exists a trial implementation of raster support in PostGIS at http://svn.refractions.net/postgis/branches/gSoC2007_raster/ This was a Google Summer of Code project by Xing Lin. THK __

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Image Handling in RDBMS

2008-02-23 Thread Bruce . Bannerman
Thanks Tim, Bruce - Tim Keitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/02/08 07:43 AM Please respond to OSGeo Discussions To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Image Handling in RDBMS Lucena, Ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dear Gilberto, > Just wan

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 'lossless' JPEG2000

2008-02-23 Thread Wilfred L. Guerin
See also the FIF formats from the late 1990s, there was at least on validated system using that fractal information format / f image f that was released publicly before the terrorist american nsa jacked the patents and disappeared the company. Files were even deleted by "authority" from one of my b

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 'lossless' JPEG2000

2008-02-23 Thread Traian Stanev
It is not possible to *prove* a mathematical relationship by example. One would have to study the set of all possible images in the world and make sure they have no loss in order to effectively prove the claim. On the other hand you can *disprove* it by providing a single counterexample. That i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Image Management in an RDBMS...(was OS Spatialenvironment 'sizing')

2008-02-23 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Ed, How is it going Neighbor? (*) Yes, by this report here: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/spatial/pdf/georaster_scale_twp.pdf it looks like there is much more than meets the yes on the performance issue. Cote: "The Oracle 10g RAC nodes in a NAS configuration shared the global dis

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Image Handling in RDBMS

2008-02-23 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Dear Gilberto, Unfortunately I could not follow the discussion since my last reply to Bruce. I spent more time on air than on land in the last three days. I believe that your message is a reply to Paul Ramsey message: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2008-February/003202.html. Am I c

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 'lossless' JPEG2000

2008-02-23 Thread Bruce . Bannerman
IMO: Thanks for the reply Traian, I don't mean to be dismissive of this report, but I was hoping for something more definitive to prove that 'lossless' JPEG compressions did indeed protect the integrity of the data.. Perhaps its just my ignorance, but I was hoping for something along the li