[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: 3.0 OpenLayers code sprint - call for sponsorships

2008-12-22 Thread David JONGLEZ
Hi Lorenzo ! Hi Erik !

First, I wanted to make some responses off Discuss ML, but answers could
interest others. I've already made a response to Erik. Here it is ...

Erik Uzureau wrote:

  David,
 
  It looks like this is shaping up to be quite an event!
 
  The dates on the wiki page still seem very open, but you mention mid-March.

  Can we be more precise with the dates that are being considered? March is
  already not that far away and it would help to have a tighter window for us 
  to
  start pitching this to mgmt.

   

As proposed in dedicated OL ML post, we tought to choose the same date
as the Toronto Code Sprint : from march, the 7th to 10th. But, it's
still open ...

  As for the lodging, all these ski chalets sounds wonderful. The only thing I
  would suggest is that, given the nature of this work to be done (sounds to
  me like probably more debating than coding, necessarily) it will be crucial
  to have a big meeting space and a projector so that people can make
  presentations to the group as a whole.

   
Shure each places listed in the wiki, offer this kind of room and the
budget include it. In case of low budget, will do in Camptocamp Office
and do our best to find adaquate rooms for the code sprint.
  It is great to see CampToCamp stepping forward to organize this event, I
  think it will be a great opportunity to get some good work done.
 
  Erik
 
  ps. I'll forward the original post to the users@ and dev@ lists for 
  openlayers

   
Yes, please. I did it in different french speaking communities but not
yet in OL mailing lists and other english speaking communities.

 From: Lorenzo Becchi lore...@ominiverdi.com


 Hi David,
 this event seems really a good idea.

 I have a couple of doubts:
 why not to join the OSGeo Hacking Event in Bolsena [1] in June?
  
 maybe two hacking events so close in time are too many.
   
 This year the event in Bolsena has been successful to many, afaik. Well 
 at least to me.
 :-)
   
Here, it's a code sprint focused on Open Layers (and may be other close
technologies - GeoExt ...). The Goal is the 3.0 OL version.

Note that 2 Camptocamp developpers was in Bolsena Code Sprint 2008 and
will participate again in Bolsena 2009 event :-) Shure Bolsena seems to
be the european code sprint, dealing with many communities.
 The other problem I have is that I will go to the Spanish FOSS GIS [2] 
 meting of Girona in mid march.
   
As written to Erik, Date are still opened. Best things is to post on OL ML.

David

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[OSGeo-Discuss] How to assess rendering quality 0f cartographic servers?

2008-12-22 Thread lee brian
Gilles Bassiere:

 hey, how is your research about the rendering quality of cartographic 
servers going?

Regards

Brian Lee




From: Gilles Bassière gilles.bassi...@makina-corpus.com
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to assess rendering quality?

Hi list,

I'm doing a comparative study of OpenSource cartographic servers (Mapserver, 
Geoserver and Mapnik). Beside raw performance and features, I'd like to assess 
the rendering quality, say how pretty produced maps are. Precisely, I'm 
interested in the quality of the drawing work, my point is not about symbology, 
nor styling of maps.

I have some problems to find a set of objective criteria I could benchmark my 
servers against. So far, I have already identified the following:
- sharpness of details
- smoothness of lines
- uniformity of colors

I'm open to any comments. Do you think these criteria are consistent regarding 
the purpose of my study? Does anyone have other criteria to suggest?

Regards

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming

2008-12-22 Thread Steven M. Ottens

Hi Robert,

On Dec 22, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Robert Szczepanek wrote:


Hi Steven,


Fate will that I just send a mail to the osgeo-discuss list with the
proposal to use the Tango-set for foss4g applications and create a
GIS superset for our specific needs. So I'm very happy with the work
you've done so far. I'm wondering if you would be interested to help
to create a complete tango set for all applications to be used (in a
similar way the tango project does it). This does involve creating a
icon-name-specification and a svn with icons in three sizes etc.


I'm very glad to read that we have so much in common!
Yes, that is also my long-term goal. To make GIS icon theme/set.
That's why I have started common-icon-naming-problem and icon- 
symbology

scalability problem in terms of GIS applications diversity.


:)

However, in my opinion at this moment we should focus more on  
symbols than
different icon sizes. Basic size for toolbars (small icons) is not  
scalable
upsize. So we can't make just one SVG and scale it. That is why I  
focused on
toolbar icons size. They are the most important I think. I have  
very limited
time and try to correlate my efforts with QGIS/GRASS relases. That  
is why I
didn't start cooperation with Tango people yet. I would prefer to  
have core
symbols selected and then start talking with them about design  
details. Tango
was mine main inspiration, so I try to follow their guidelines, but  
not

strictly.

Obviously it is an awful lot of work to create icons in all sizes  
Tango proposes, as such I do understand that you did not do that. The  
work you've done so far is marvelous, creating an entire set of icons  
for QGIS is a whole lot of work in itself. So what I'm proposing is  
to help you to design more icons and in more sizes. So I'm looking  
for a way how we can work together to create on one side a consistent  
set for QGIS/GRASS, which is obviously your main concern and on the  
other side to create a stock set for the OSGeo community.
So I like to setup some more general system in the osgeo (or tango)  
infrastructure with the icons we have so far in both SVG and png.  
Also push the icon naming scheme a bit more so projects can easily  
use our icons. If you think this is a good idea I'll contact the  
Tango people to get some more information on setting up a icon- 
repository (tango-artist mailinglist) and we can continue on happy  
designing.



It would be great to work together with you and with Tango people.


Same here, I'm slightly more a Tango-purist so be warned ;)

Regards,
Steven


regards,
Robert


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming

2008-12-22 Thread Bob Basques
Hello,

Is there a set of icons already available to start from?

bobb




 Steven M. Ottens ste...@minst.net 12/22/08 2:31 PM 
Hi Robert,

On Dec 22, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Robert Szczepanek wrote:

 Hi Steven,

 Fate will that I just send a mail to the osgeo-discuss list with the
 proposal to use the Tango-set for foss4g applications and create a
 GIS superset for our specific needs. So I'm very happy with the work
 you've done so far. I'm wondering if you would be interested to help
 to create a complete tango set for all applications to be used (in a
 similar way the tango project does it). This does involve creating a
 icon-name-specification and a svn with icons in three sizes etc.

 I'm very glad to read that we have so much in common!
 Yes, that is also my long-term goal. To make GIS icon theme/set.
 That's why I have started common-icon-naming-problem and icon- 
 symbology
 scalability problem in terms of GIS applications diversity.

:)

 However, in my opinion at this moment we should focus more on  
 symbols than
 different icon sizes. Basic size for toolbars (small icons) is not  
 scalable
 upsize. So we can't make just one SVG and scale it. That is why I  
 focused on
 toolbar icons size. They are the most important I think. I have  
 very limited
 time and try to correlate my efforts with QGIS/GRASS relases. That  
 is why I
 didn't start cooperation with Tango people yet. I would prefer to  
 have core
 symbols selected and then start talking with them about design  
 details. Tango
 was mine main inspiration, so I try to follow their guidelines, but  
 not
 strictly.

Obviously it is an awful lot of work to create icons in all sizes  
Tango proposes, as such I do understand that you did not do that. The  
work you've done so far is marvelous, creating an entire set of icons  
for QGIS is a whole lot of work in itself. So what I'm proposing is  
to help you to design more icons and in more sizes. So I'm looking  
for a way how we can work together to create on one side a consistent  
set for QGIS/GRASS, which is obviously your main concern and on the  
other side to create a stock set for the OSGeo community.
So I like to setup some more general system in the osgeo (or tango)  
infrastructure with the icons we have so far in both SVG and png.  
Also push the icon naming scheme a bit more so projects can easily  
use our icons. If you think this is a good idea I'll contact the  
Tango people to get some more information on setting up a icon- 
repository (tango-artist mailinglist) and we can continue on happy  
designing.

 It would be great to work together with you and with Tango people.

Same here, I'm slightly more a Tango-purist so be warned ;)

Regards,
Steven

 regards,
 Robert

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming

2008-12-22 Thread Markus Neteler
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bob Basques
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
 Hello,

 Is there a set of icons already available to start from?

Yes, see links in
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_map_symbol_set#Available_Material

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming

2008-12-22 Thread Dan Putler
Another potential set to add to the list are the public domain US
National Park Service symbols
(http://www.nps.gov/hfc/carto/map-symbols.htm).

Dan

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:07 +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bob Basques
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
  Hello,
 
  Is there a set of icons already available to start from?
 
 Yes, see links in
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_map_symbol_set#Available_Material
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo

2008-12-22 Thread Landon Blake
Frank wrote:  Telascience has kindly donated servers, bandwidth and
support services
to OSGeo.  I'm not aware of a lot of official documents about the
relationship, it is mostly based on personal connections and the fact
that goals of telascience and OSGeo in the geo-computing space have
substantial overlap.  We are very grateful to Telascience as an
organization,
and John Graham in particular for all the help we have received.

Thank you for that information.

Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also
have two rented
servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these
servers).
We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers.

Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this?

Frank wrote:  So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via
the servers at
Telascience.  OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own
(ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata.

Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational,
disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be
cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially
priced servers like the ones at Peer1.

Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the
bandwith requirements for download, or both?

Frank wrote:  There is some question in my mind just how central the
*hosting* of
free geodata is to our mission.

It would be great to get this clarified.

I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a
small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure
out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds
like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this
year. :]

Landon

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Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:46 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the
OSGeo

Landon Blake wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone could explain the nature of the relationship

 between TelaScience and the OSGeo. Are they simply working together 
 where they have goals in common, or is there relationship more 
 substantial than that? 

Landon,

Telascience has kindly donated servers, bandwidth and support services
to OSGeo.  I'm not aware of a lot of official documents about the
relationship, it is mostly based on personal connections and the fact
that goals of telascience and OSGeo in the geo-computing space have
substantial overlap.  We are very grateful to Telascience as an
organization,
and John Graham in particular for all the help we have received.

  Does the OSGeo have its own hardware to support
 the hosting of free or public domain geospatial data? Will it in the

 future?

In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also have two
rented
servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these
servers).
We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers.

So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via the servers at
Telascience.  OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own
(ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata.

Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational,
disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be
cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially
priced servers like the ones at Peer1.

We (as a board) have had no requests from SAC or the Geodata committee
for resources for geodata hosting.

Personally, I'd be supportive of providing modest funding to purchase
additional disk, and/or server resources that could be co-located
at telascience if it would be valuable in hosting geodata hosting.

There is some question in my mind just how central the *hosting* of
free geodata is to our mission.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo

2008-12-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:

Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also
have two rented
servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these
servers).
We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers.

Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this?


Landon,

The arrangement at Peer1 was made primarily with the goal of having
a reliable decent server able to support svn/trac and related project
services.  The second server is primarily serving as a backup though
the wiki is hosted there.

We are contemplating dropping use of the second Peer1 server to save
funds.


Frank wrote:  So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via
the servers at
Telascience.  OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own
(ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata.

Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational,
disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be
cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially
priced servers like the ones at Peer1.

Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the
bandwith requirements for download, or both?


Both.  Bandwidth overages at Peer1 can mount up to be expensive very
quickly, so we already host our most bandwidth intensive applications
(download.osgeo.org and existing geodata services) at telascience.

I'm presuming the hosted data would be made available as web services
(WMS, WCS, etc) not just a download site.


Frank wrote:  There is some question in my mind just how central the
*hosting* of
free geodata is to our mission.

It would be great to get this clarified.


Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with
many different ideas like OSGeo.


I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a
small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure
out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds
like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this
year. :]


I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether
it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming

2008-12-22 Thread Steven M. Ottens
We are aiming at icons for applications, not at map symbols (correct  
me if I'm wrong robert) so while there is a big need for mapsymbols,  
I'm not going to address them just yet. Creating a thorough set of  
icons for all foss4g application to use is enough work for the moment.
Luckily Robert has created a very complete set for qgis at: http:// 
robert.szczepanek.pl/icons.php so my goal is to get his set known  
within the broader osgeo community and get the differnet applications  
adhere to the icon-naming-specification (which we still need to write  
down) :)


Steven

On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Dan Putler wrote:


Another potential set to add to the list are the public domain US
National Park Service symbols
(http://www.nps.gov/hfc/carto/map-symbols.htm).

Dan

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:07 +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bob Basques
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

Hello,

Is there a set of icons already available to start from?


Yes, see links in
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_map_symbol_set#Available_Material

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Szczepanek
 We are aiming at icons for applications, not at map symbols (correct
 me if I'm wrong robert) so while there is a big need for mapsymbols,
 I'm not going to address them just yet. Creating a thorough set of
 icons for all foss4g application to use is enough work for the moment.
 [...]
 Steven

You are right Steven. First let's make GIS applications more user friendly by
making toolbar icons better recognizable.
Mapsymbols can be next step when we finish this task ... in 2011 ;)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo

2008-12-22 Thread Paul Ramsey
Amazon perhaps. Google might find it cuts a little too close to the
bone. Chris, have you approached the AWS folks about hosting OAM? It's
a little more involved than just data storage, they'd also need to
provide a couple EC2 instances to receive and process the new data,
but it would remove the hosting and scalability issues nicely.

P.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Joseph Gentle jose...@gmail.com wrote:
 If need be, I suspect both amazon and google would be happy to help
 with hosting.

 http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/

 -J

 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote:
 Frank wrote: Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization
 with many different ideas like OSGeo.

 Roger that. So I guess it boils down to the internal support for this
 type of service.

 Frank wrote: I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or
 not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes.

 Roger that. I wonder if it would be possible to make a donation to
 telascience trough OSGeo, which would be tax deductible...

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 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:53 PM
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 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the
 OSGeo

 Landon Blake wrote:
 Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we
 also
 have two rented
 servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these
 servers).
 We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers.

 Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this?

 Landon,

 The arrangement at Peer1 was made primarily with the goal of having
 a reliable decent server able to support svn/trac and related project
 services.  The second server is primarily serving as a backup though
 the wiki is hosted there.

 We are contemplating dropping use of the second Peer1 server to save
 funds.

 Frank wrote:  So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished
 via
 the servers at
 Telascience.  OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own
 (ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata.

 Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational,
 disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be
 cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially
 priced servers like the ones at Peer1.

 Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the
 bandwith requirements for download, or both?

 Both.  Bandwidth overages at Peer1 can mount up to be expensive very
 quickly, so we already host our most bandwidth intensive applications
 (download.osgeo.org and existing geodata services) at telascience.

 I'm presuming the hosted data would be made available as web services
 (WMS, WCS, etc) not just a download site.

 Frank wrote:  There is some question in my mind just how central the
 *hosting* of
 free geodata is to our mission.

 It would be great to get this clarified.

 Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with
 many different ideas like OSGeo.

 I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a
 small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure
 out which organization would be the best suited for the donation.
 Sounds
 like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out
 this
 year. :]

 I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether
 it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes.

 Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo

2008-12-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:

Frank wrote: Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization
with many different ideas like OSGeo.

Roger that. So I guess it boils down to the internal support for this
type of service.


Landon,

Yes, I suppose.  I will say there is certainly support for OSGeo hosting
free geodata, but it is unclear if that support extends to spending
significant amounts of money on it.  It also depends on folks with the
right talents being able to do the work needed.


Frank wrote: I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or
not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes.

Roger that. I wonder if it would be possible to make a donation to
telascience trough OSGeo, which would be tax deductible...


Our 501(c)3 application is still wending it's way through the IRS.  I don't
know if we could issue a charitable tax receipt for money received for this
tax year or not ... it is certain iffy.

If we could, and the amount was significant, we could earmark it
for geodata/hardware type expenses at telascience.  But, honestly,
you might be better donating money to feed starving children somewhere
this year, and just provide your talents as a developer, tester,
documentor and advocate to the FOSS4G/OSGeo community - and revisit
the donation issue next year.

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