[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: 3.0 OpenLayers code sprint - call for sponsorships
Hi Lorenzo ! Hi Erik ! First, I wanted to make some responses off Discuss ML, but answers could interest others. I've already made a response to Erik. Here it is ... Erik Uzureau wrote: David, It looks like this is shaping up to be quite an event! The dates on the wiki page still seem very open, but you mention mid-March. Can we be more precise with the dates that are being considered? March is already not that far away and it would help to have a tighter window for us to start pitching this to mgmt. As proposed in dedicated OL ML post, we tought to choose the same date as the Toronto Code Sprint : from march, the 7th to 10th. But, it's still open ... As for the lodging, all these ski chalets sounds wonderful. The only thing I would suggest is that, given the nature of this work to be done (sounds to me like probably more debating than coding, necessarily) it will be crucial to have a big meeting space and a projector so that people can make presentations to the group as a whole. Shure each places listed in the wiki, offer this kind of room and the budget include it. In case of low budget, will do in Camptocamp Office and do our best to find adaquate rooms for the code sprint. It is great to see CampToCamp stepping forward to organize this event, I think it will be a great opportunity to get some good work done. Erik ps. I'll forward the original post to the users@ and dev@ lists for openlayers Yes, please. I did it in different french speaking communities but not yet in OL mailing lists and other english speaking communities. From: Lorenzo Becchi lore...@ominiverdi.com Hi David, this event seems really a good idea. I have a couple of doubts: why not to join the OSGeo Hacking Event in Bolsena [1] in June? maybe two hacking events so close in time are too many. This year the event in Bolsena has been successful to many, afaik. Well at least to me. :-) Here, it's a code sprint focused on Open Layers (and may be other close technologies - GeoExt ...). The Goal is the 3.0 OL version. Note that 2 Camptocamp developpers was in Bolsena Code Sprint 2008 and will participate again in Bolsena 2009 event :-) Shure Bolsena seems to be the european code sprint, dealing with many communities. The other problem I have is that I will go to the Spanish FOSS GIS [2] meting of Girona in mid march. As written to Erik, Date are still opened. Best things is to post on OL ML. David -- ___ David JONGLEZ Directeur associé Camptocamp France SAS www.camptocamp.com +33 (0)4 79 44 44 96 Savoie Technolac, BP 352 Batiment le Suroît, Le Square 48 avenue du Lac du Bourget 73 377 Le Bourget du Lac Cedex begin:vcard fn:David JONGLEZ n:JONGLEZ;David email;internet:david.jong...@camptocamp.com tel;work:+33 (0)4 79 44 44 96 tel;cell:+33 (0)6 24 84 43 21 version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] How to assess rendering quality 0f cartographic servers?
Gilles Bassiere: hey, how is your research about the rendering quality of cartographic servers going? Regards Brian Lee From: Gilles Bassière gilles.bassi...@makina-corpus.com To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:01:14 PM Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to assess rendering quality? Hi list, I'm doing a comparative study of OpenSource cartographic servers (Mapserver, Geoserver and Mapnik). Beside raw performance and features, I'd like to assess the rendering quality, say how pretty produced maps are. Precisely, I'm interested in the quality of the drawing work, my point is not about symbology, nor styling of maps. I have some problems to find a set of objective criteria I could benchmark my servers against. So far, I have already identified the following: - sharpness of details - smoothness of lines - uniformity of colors I'm open to any comments. Do you think these criteria are consistent regarding the purpose of my study? Does anyone have other criteria to suggest? Regards -- Gilles Bassiere MAKINA CORPUS 30 rue des Jeuneurs FR-75011 PARIS http://www.makina-corpus.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming
Hi Robert, On Dec 22, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Robert Szczepanek wrote: Hi Steven, Fate will that I just send a mail to the osgeo-discuss list with the proposal to use the Tango-set for foss4g applications and create a GIS superset for our specific needs. So I'm very happy with the work you've done so far. I'm wondering if you would be interested to help to create a complete tango set for all applications to be used (in a similar way the tango project does it). This does involve creating a icon-name-specification and a svn with icons in three sizes etc. I'm very glad to read that we have so much in common! Yes, that is also my long-term goal. To make GIS icon theme/set. That's why I have started common-icon-naming-problem and icon- symbology scalability problem in terms of GIS applications diversity. :) However, in my opinion at this moment we should focus more on symbols than different icon sizes. Basic size for toolbars (small icons) is not scalable upsize. So we can't make just one SVG and scale it. That is why I focused on toolbar icons size. They are the most important I think. I have very limited time and try to correlate my efforts with QGIS/GRASS relases. That is why I didn't start cooperation with Tango people yet. I would prefer to have core symbols selected and then start talking with them about design details. Tango was mine main inspiration, so I try to follow their guidelines, but not strictly. Obviously it is an awful lot of work to create icons in all sizes Tango proposes, as such I do understand that you did not do that. The work you've done so far is marvelous, creating an entire set of icons for QGIS is a whole lot of work in itself. So what I'm proposing is to help you to design more icons and in more sizes. So I'm looking for a way how we can work together to create on one side a consistent set for QGIS/GRASS, which is obviously your main concern and on the other side to create a stock set for the OSGeo community. So I like to setup some more general system in the osgeo (or tango) infrastructure with the icons we have so far in both SVG and png. Also push the icon naming scheme a bit more so projects can easily use our icons. If you think this is a good idea I'll contact the Tango people to get some more information on setting up a icon- repository (tango-artist mailinglist) and we can continue on happy designing. It would be great to work together with you and with Tango people. Same here, I'm slightly more a Tango-purist so be warned ;) Regards, Steven regards, Robert ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming
Hello, Is there a set of icons already available to start from? bobb Steven M. Ottens ste...@minst.net 12/22/08 2:31 PM Hi Robert, On Dec 22, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Robert Szczepanek wrote: Hi Steven, Fate will that I just send a mail to the osgeo-discuss list with the proposal to use the Tango-set for foss4g applications and create a GIS superset for our specific needs. So I'm very happy with the work you've done so far. I'm wondering if you would be interested to help to create a complete tango set for all applications to be used (in a similar way the tango project does it). This does involve creating a icon-name-specification and a svn with icons in three sizes etc. I'm very glad to read that we have so much in common! Yes, that is also my long-term goal. To make GIS icon theme/set. That's why I have started common-icon-naming-problem and icon- symbology scalability problem in terms of GIS applications diversity. :) However, in my opinion at this moment we should focus more on symbols than different icon sizes. Basic size for toolbars (small icons) is not scalable upsize. So we can't make just one SVG and scale it. That is why I focused on toolbar icons size. They are the most important I think. I have very limited time and try to correlate my efforts with QGIS/GRASS relases. That is why I didn't start cooperation with Tango people yet. I would prefer to have core symbols selected and then start talking with them about design details. Tango was mine main inspiration, so I try to follow their guidelines, but not strictly. Obviously it is an awful lot of work to create icons in all sizes Tango proposes, as such I do understand that you did not do that. The work you've done so far is marvelous, creating an entire set of icons for QGIS is a whole lot of work in itself. So what I'm proposing is to help you to design more icons and in more sizes. So I'm looking for a way how we can work together to create on one side a consistent set for QGIS/GRASS, which is obviously your main concern and on the other side to create a stock set for the OSGeo community. So I like to setup some more general system in the osgeo (or tango) infrastructure with the icons we have so far in both SVG and png. Also push the icon naming scheme a bit more so projects can easily use our icons. If you think this is a good idea I'll contact the Tango people to get some more information on setting up a icon- repository (tango-artist mailinglist) and we can continue on happy designing. It would be great to work together with you and with Tango people. Same here, I'm slightly more a Tango-purist so be warned ;) Regards, Steven regards, Robert ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bob Basques bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Hello, Is there a set of icons already available to start from? Yes, see links in http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_map_symbol_set#Available_Material Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming
Another potential set to add to the list are the public domain US National Park Service symbols (http://www.nps.gov/hfc/carto/map-symbols.htm). Dan On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:07 +0100, Markus Neteler wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bob Basques bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Hello, Is there a set of icons already available to start from? Yes, see links in http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_map_symbol_set#Available_Material Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo
Frank wrote: Telascience has kindly donated servers, bandwidth and support services to OSGeo. I'm not aware of a lot of official documents about the relationship, it is mostly based on personal connections and the fact that goals of telascience and OSGeo in the geo-computing space have substantial overlap. We are very grateful to Telascience as an organization, and John Graham in particular for all the help we have received. Thank you for that information. Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also have two rented servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these servers). We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers. Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this? Frank wrote: So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via the servers at Telascience. OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own (ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata. Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational, disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially priced servers like the ones at Peer1. Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the bandwith requirements for download, or both? Frank wrote: There is some question in my mind just how central the *hosting* of free geodata is to our mission. It would be great to get this clarified. I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this year. :] Landon -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frank Warmerdam Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:46 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo Landon Blake wrote: I was wondering if anyone could explain the nature of the relationship between TelaScience and the OSGeo. Are they simply working together where they have goals in common, or is there relationship more substantial than that? Landon, Telascience has kindly donated servers, bandwidth and support services to OSGeo. I'm not aware of a lot of official documents about the relationship, it is mostly based on personal connections and the fact that goals of telascience and OSGeo in the geo-computing space have substantial overlap. We are very grateful to Telascience as an organization, and John Graham in particular for all the help we have received. Does the OSGeo have its own hardware to support the hosting of free or public domain geospatial data? Will it in the future? In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also have two rented servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these servers). We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers. So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via the servers at Telascience. OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own (ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata. Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational, disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially priced servers like the ones at Peer1. We (as a board) have had no requests from SAC or the Geodata committee for resources for geodata hosting. Personally, I'd be supportive of providing modest funding to purchase additional disk, and/or server resources that could be co-located at telascience if it would be valuable in hosting geodata hosting. There is some question in my mind just how central the *hosting* of free geodata is to our mission. Best regards, -- ---+ -- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo
Landon Blake wrote: Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also have two rented servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these servers). We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers. Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this? Landon, The arrangement at Peer1 was made primarily with the goal of having a reliable decent server able to support svn/trac and related project services. The second server is primarily serving as a backup though the wiki is hosted there. We are contemplating dropping use of the second Peer1 server to save funds. Frank wrote: So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via the servers at Telascience. OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own (ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata. Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational, disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially priced servers like the ones at Peer1. Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the bandwith requirements for download, or both? Both. Bandwidth overages at Peer1 can mount up to be expensive very quickly, so we already host our most bandwidth intensive applications (download.osgeo.org and existing geodata services) at telascience. I'm presuming the hosted data would be made available as web services (WMS, WCS, etc) not just a download site. Frank wrote: There is some question in my mind just how central the *hosting* of free geodata is to our mission. It would be great to get this clarified. Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with many different ideas like OSGeo. I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this year. :] I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming
We are aiming at icons for applications, not at map symbols (correct me if I'm wrong robert) so while there is a big need for mapsymbols, I'm not going to address them just yet. Creating a thorough set of icons for all foss4g application to use is enough work for the moment. Luckily Robert has created a very complete set for qgis at: http:// robert.szczepanek.pl/icons.php so my goal is to get his set known within the broader osgeo community and get the differnet applications adhere to the icon-naming-specification (which we still need to write down) :) Steven On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Dan Putler wrote: Another potential set to add to the list are the public domain US National Park Service symbols (http://www.nps.gov/hfc/carto/map-symbols.htm). Dan On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:07 +0100, Markus Neteler wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bob Basques bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Hello, Is there a set of icons already available to start from? Yes, see links in http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_map_symbol_set#Available_Material Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Qgis-developer] Icons symbology and naming
We are aiming at icons for applications, not at map symbols (correct me if I'm wrong robert) so while there is a big need for mapsymbols, I'm not going to address them just yet. Creating a thorough set of icons for all foss4g application to use is enough work for the moment. [...] Steven You are right Steven. First let's make GIS applications more user friendly by making toolbar icons better recognizable. Mapsymbols can be next step when we finish this task ... in 2011 ;) Robert ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo
Amazon perhaps. Google might find it cuts a little too close to the bone. Chris, have you approached the AWS folks about hosting OAM? It's a little more involved than just data storage, they'd also need to provide a couple EC2 instances to receive and process the new data, but it would remove the hosting and scalability issues nicely. P. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Joseph Gentle jose...@gmail.com wrote: If need be, I suspect both amazon and google would be happy to help with hosting. http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/ -J On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: Frank wrote: Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with many different ideas like OSGeo. Roger that. So I guess it boils down to the internal support for this type of service. Frank wrote: I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes. Roger that. I wonder if it would be possible to make a donation to telascience trough OSGeo, which would be tax deductible... Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frank Warmerdam Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:53 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo Landon Blake wrote: Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also have two rented servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these servers). We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers. Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this? Landon, The arrangement at Peer1 was made primarily with the goal of having a reliable decent server able to support svn/trac and related project services. The second server is primarily serving as a backup though the wiki is hosted there. We are contemplating dropping use of the second Peer1 server to save funds. Frank wrote: So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via the servers at Telascience. OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own (ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata. Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational, disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially priced servers like the ones at Peer1. Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the bandwith requirements for download, or both? Both. Bandwidth overages at Peer1 can mount up to be expensive very quickly, so we already host our most bandwidth intensive applications (download.osgeo.org and existing geodata services) at telascience. I'm presuming the hosted data would be made available as web services (WMS, WCS, etc) not just a download site. Frank wrote: There is some question in my mind just how central the *hosting* of free geodata is to our mission. It would be great to get this clarified. Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with many different ideas like OSGeo. I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this year. :] I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes. Best regards, -- ---+ -- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo
Landon Blake wrote: Frank wrote: Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with many different ideas like OSGeo. Roger that. So I guess it boils down to the internal support for this type of service. Landon, Yes, I suppose. I will say there is certainly support for OSGeo hosting free geodata, but it is unclear if that support extends to spending significant amounts of money on it. It also depends on folks with the right talents being able to do the work needed. Frank wrote: I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes. Roger that. I wonder if it would be possible to make a donation to telascience trough OSGeo, which would be tax deductible... Our 501(c)3 application is still wending it's way through the IRS. I don't know if we could issue a charitable tax receipt for money received for this tax year or not ... it is certain iffy. If we could, and the amount was significant, we could earmark it for geodata/hardware type expenses at telascience. But, honestly, you might be better donating money to feed starving children somewhere this year, and just provide your talents as a developer, tester, documentor and advocate to the FOSS4G/OSGeo community - and revisit the donation issue next year. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
