Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread G. Allegri

 Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.



+1, from a software point of view.
I can compare my experience as a user and programmer in the last five years
with OSGeo (and other FOSS tools) against my parallel experience with
ArcGIS, Erdas, Isatis, etc. A very sinthetic resume:

Many people are aware of the potentialities of many OSGeo softwares, thanks
also to foundation libraries like GDAL. The problem is the step from
potential to daily use. I know that ideally everyone could contribute to
higher level features (sponsorship, dev, testing, docs, etc.), but the step
from ideality to practice still keeps many practitioners bound to more
integrated, full featured, softwares (first of all ArcGIS).
I see a main problem to this: FOSS gis still suffers lack of data model and
user experirence consistency. The OS freedom is a coin: one face shows all
the benefits of independent communities, etc. while the other makes it
appear a big confused arena to the most users... I would support more and
more the development and sharing of low level, generic libraries.
algorithms, cartograhpic, but also data structures (I'm working hard to
produce a seemless integration between SAGA and QGis, and the work is
prominently dedicated to this).
This would facilitate the OSGeo software integration and so the building of
full featured products (QGis GUI + GRASS/SAGA algorithms + R analysis + 
= something more similar to commercial stacks), and would help the
interfacing with the rest of the world.

+1 for OSGeo Edu, and the Journal.

giovanni
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Rafal Wawer
Development:
Analitic functions +1
cartography  +1

Incorporating OGC and ISO standards, especially in the server/client domain to 
assure techncial interoperability. 
Upcoming implementation of SEIS and INSPIRE is a good chance to increase the 
share of FOSS4G on the European market. SEIS is defined officialy so far only 
with the communication of the EC (COM(2008) 46 final), but already in the 
communicaiton it is stated .. information sharing and processing should be 
supported through common, free opensource software tools..  OGC WPS and 
sensor-related standards will certainly play a key role in SEIS setups, 
although there are already voices that those approved standards do not provide 
optimal solution from the techncial point of view, nevertheless now they are 
seen as foundations of the technical interoperability of systems and services.

More mature setup programs - I refer to the OSGEo4W and stand alone Qgis 
installer, where at the beginning of the release in July you need to perform 
silly tricks to be able to use GRASS plugin within QGIS. Good 10% of my gray 
hair come from going around the problems arising from the failure setups during 
the hands-on sessions of summer course on FOSS4G this year. (-;


Other OSGEO initiatives:
Geodata  - certainly a good forum for discussions on the implementation of 
INSPIRE and availability of free data in Europe. 

Journal - it would be wonderfull if the Journal would became a regular 
scientific print. I am afraid, withour regular issueing and fast editorial 
scheme we won't attract interesting papers and hence journal will not get any 
IF I think we need a clear strategy for the Journal for the upcoming years.

What about OSGEO's involvement in European projects? 

Cheers,
Raf










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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.

data format libraries - done!

algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection.
 Would be good for other OSGEO projects to reuse them.

cartographic libraries = +1


On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Helena Mitasova hmit...@unity.ncsu.edu 
wrote:

 On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Howard Butler wrote:


 On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

 Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo 
 over the next 3 and 5 years.  I'd really like to hear thoughts on 
 the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further 
 discussions amongst committees, projects, chapters and the board.

 It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election 
 to get a sense of where other members are thinking these days.


 My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares 
 in the next 3-5 years are the following three items:
 - Continued expansion of the local chapters.  Local chapters make 
 OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC channel 
 can't.
 - The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years, and 
 we start to use it our central fundraising piece.
 - Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs, 
 benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be 
 fostered by us.  From my biased developer's perspective, these have 
 been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter 
 development and consolidation of the conference.

 +1 on these, including OSGeo Edu efforts as another example of
  cross-project collaboration

 Helena

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Benjamin Chartier

Incorporating OGC and ISO standards: +1
Involvement in European projects: +1

What about a stronger involvment in the OGC standardisation process?

Regards,

Benjamin Chartier



Rafal Wawer a écrit :

Development:
Analitic functions +1
cartography  +1

Incorporating OGC and ISO standards, especially in the server/client domain to assure techncial interoperability. 
Upcoming implementation of SEIS and INSPIRE is a good chance to increase the share of FOSS4G on the European market. SEIS is defined officialy so far only with the communication of the EC (COM(2008) 46 final), but already in the communicaiton it is stated .. information sharing and processing should be supported through common, free opensource software tools..  OGC WPS and sensor-related standards will certainly play a key role in SEIS setups, although there are already voices that those approved standards do not provide optimal solution from the techncial point of view, nevertheless now they are seen as foundations of the technical interoperability of systems and services.


More mature setup programs - I refer to the OSGEo4W and stand alone Qgis 
installer, where at the beginning of the release in July you need to perform 
silly tricks to be able to use GRASS plugin within QGIS. Good 10% of my gray 
hair come from going around the problems arising from the failure setups during 
the hands-on sessions of summer course on FOSS4G this year. (-;


Other OSGEO initiatives:
Geodata  - certainly a good forum for discussions on the implementation of INSPIRE and availability of free data in Europe. 


Journal - it would be wonderfull if the Journal would became a regular 
scientific print. I am afraid, withour regular issueing and fast editorial 
scheme we won't attract interesting papers and hence journal will not get any 
IF I think we need a clear strategy for the Journal for the upcoming years.

What about OSGEO's involvement in European projects? 


Cheers,
Raf










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Sent: 15 September 2009 06:16
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.

data format libraries - done!

algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection.
 Would be good for other OSGEO projects to reuse them.

cartographic libraries = +1


On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Helena Mitasova hmit...@unity.ncsu.edu 
wrote:

On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Howard Butler wrote:


On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo 
over the next 3 and 5 years.  I'd really like to hear thoughts on 
the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further 
discussions amongst committees, projects, chapters and the board.


It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election 
to get a sense of where other members are thinking these days.


My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares 
in the next 3-5 years are the following three items:
- Continued expansion of the local chapters.  Local chapters make 
OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC channel can't.
- The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years, and 
we start to use it our central fundraising piece.
- Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs, 
benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be 
fostered by us.  From my biased developer's perspective, these have 
been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter 
development and consolidation of the conference.

+1 on these, including OSGeo Edu efforts as another example of
 cross-project collaboration

Helena

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FW: GSDI Small Grants Deadline Two Weeks Away!

2009-09-15 Thread Suchith Anand
This might be of interest to some of you.


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Subject: GSDI Small Grants Deadline Two Weeks Away!

Call for Proposals: GSDI Small Grants Program

The Global Spatial Data Infrastructure Association is pleased to
announce its Small Grants Program for the year 2009-10.

Summary:

* Awards for spatial data infrastructure or EOS-related activities in
economically disadvantaged nations,
* Application deadline of 1 October 2009,
* 4000 words maximum,
* Awards of $2500 USD in cash and/or contributed volunteer professional
services for the project

Background

The Global Spatial Data Infrastructure (GSDI) Association is dedicated
to international cooperation and collaboration in support of local,
national, and international spatial data infrastructure developments
that would allow nations to better address social, economic, and
environmental issues of pressing importance. We are committed to
bringing about an infrastructure that will allow users globally to
access spatial data at a variety of scales from multiple sources that
ultimately will appear seamless to all users.  The GSDI Association
supports the work of organizations to develop their own SDI initiatives,
nationally and regionally, and collaborates with local, national, and
international organizations to ensure that spatial data, services, and
metadata are accessible through interoperable standards-based services,
systems, software, and products that operate in a web-enabled
environment.  The success of the GSDI Association depends on the quality
of its partnerships with
public, private, academic, and non-governmental organizations. Through
adoption of common, international standards, key architecture
principles, and approaches for capacity building in developing
countries, the GSDI initiatives also link national SDI efforts with the
vision and goals of the Group on Earth Observation (GEO) and its Global
Earth Observations System of Systems (GEOSS).

Description

The GSDI is being advanced through the leadership of many nations and
organizations represented by a GSDI Association Council and Board of
Directors. The multi-national Board includes representatives from all
continents and all sectors: government, academia, and the private sector
as well as regional SDI initiatives referred to as permanent committees:

* Africa: United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Committee on
Development Information: Geo Subcommittee (CODI-GEO)
* Americas: Pan-American Institute for Geography and History (PAIGH)
* Asia and Pacific: Permanent Committee for Geographic Information for
Asia and the Pacific (PCGIAP) (ex-officio)
* Europe: European Umbrella Organization for Geographic Information
(EUROGI)

Please visit the GSDI Association website (http://gsdi.org) to
familiarize yourself with the mission, goals, programs, accomplishments
and priorities of the organization.

The GSDI Association, along with partners and participants, has
allocated resources from the U.S. Federal Geographic Data Committee and
the GISCorps of URISA, to fund a small grants program to support
national or sub-national activities that foster partnerships, develop
in-country technical capacity, improve data compatibility and access,
and increase political support for spatial data infrastructure and earth
observations application development. These resources will be used to
offer two types of grants this year:

* Cash up to 2,500 USD to be used on your project, and/or
* Professional Services applied to your project

Professional Services will be coordinated by the GISCorps, an
international initiative that offers GIS services by qualified
economies.  Support may focus on technical or institutional projects, as
long as tangible outputs and several institutions collaborate on the
effort.   A list of typical projects follows but this list is not
exhaustive:

* Convening of national or sub-national seminars or workshops related to
SDI
* Producing SDI- and EO-related training manuals and modules (these
materials must not duplicate existing materials)
* Establishing metadata and clearinghouse nodes
* Establishing web mapping services and applications
* Accomplishing Geodata and/or SDI surveys or inventories
* Producing and disseminating newsletters and awareness-raising
materials about SDI
* Drafting policy and legislation related to SDI

Priority will be given to projects in developing nations and countries
with economies in transition.  Grants can be awarded to SDI coordinating
bodies (councils, committees) and GIS user groups, but the GSDI
Association asks that one institution take 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2009

2009-09-15 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:49 -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote:
 
 Anyone can submit a Board nomination, however only Charter Members are
 eligible to serve on the Board. The complete list of charter members
 is available by combining
 
 * (2009 additions)
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2009
 * (Prior years) http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members

FYI - I've added all the new members in the main page now:
http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Landon Blake
Rene wrote: If we 
were to produce a comprehensive suite of tools offering the standard 
analytical tools as well as some more advanced ones, then these 
proprietary offerings wouldn't look as appealing. Moreover, if we had a 
consolidated toolset which could be used on a multitude of project we 
would not have to re-invent the wheel for each separate project. 
Currently, proprietary software generally offers advanced analytic 
capability out-of-the-box and open source software does not. I see this 
as a bit of a stumbling block.

These are good comments Rene, but I think it is good to consider this issue in 
the context of our overall strategy to compete with proprietary GIS software.

It is unlikely that we will ever have the resources as a community to keep up 
with someone like ESRI or Autodesk on functionality. They've got an army of 
paid programmers at their disposal. 

I think a better strategy is the one we are already following: Put into place a 
framework that allows people to easily build their own tools, or to add their 
own functionality. This is something very difficult to do with proprietary 
software, because they want you to pay for those upgrades, they don't want you 
building your own (in most cases). You also don't get to look at the guts of 
the software, which can make it harder to understand how the program works and 
the best way to extend it.

This strategy means we need to focus on a different type of customer. I don't 
think we should be looking for the GIS user that wants a free ESRI clone. We 
should be looking for the GIS user that wants the freedom to expand his 
software's capabilities, or to work with other users to solve a common problem 
in their domain. We need to foster a community of that type of user, and make 
it as easy as we can for them to migrate from power user to hobby coder.

The real power in computers is not out-of-the-box software that does a million 
(plus one) things, but software that allows you to do exactly what you need.

This is just my own opinion. When I think about how to make OpenJUMP successful 
I know I have to compete on the program's strengths. OJ is never going offer 
all the functionality that ArcView does. However, it can offer a lot that 
ArcView doesn't, and I want to go after the user that is looking for those 
things that are missing in his proprietary software.

Landon
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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM
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What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical 
tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put 
the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However, 
as I have noticed over the years, people are reluctant to move to open 
source implementations of geospatial software because they are, in 
effect, losing capabilities. Yes, there is still the potential for the 
same capabilities to be put back in, but the fact remains they just 
aren't there. For example, I have never seen any MCDA, PCA, HotSpot 
Analysis, CART or neural network tools in open source packages. If we 
were to produce a comprehensive suite of tools offering the standard 
analytical tools as well as some more advanced ones, then these 
proprietary offerings wouldn't look as appealing. Moreover, if we had a 
consolidated toolset which could be used on a multitude of project we 
would not have to re-invent the wheel for each separate project. 
Currently, proprietary software generally offers advanced analytic 
capability out-of-the-box and open source software does not. I see this 
as a bit of a stumbling block.

Another thing, and I was chatting about this in the lab today, is that 
for particular needs, open source implementations of geospatial software 
generally don't have much to offer. The generic capabilities are there, 
or at least enabled for others to program, but special-needs cases there 
is not much. The example used today in the lab was CARIS HIPS or SIPS. 
What, if anything, exists in the open source community that could come 
close to the processing capabilities of this?

Still another area with a lack of development is 3D and 4D modeling / 
rendering / analysis, something like ESRI ArcGlobe with the 3D Analyst 
package or Myriax Eonfusion. There has been very little work in these 
domains which are of particular interest to me. Perhaps the amount of 
people working in these areas is much smaller than the amount of people 
using something more like general analytic capabilities, but it is an 
area that needs work nonetheless.

The point, and I'd like to make this clear, is not the I'm bemoaning the 
lack of features and projects in the open source community. I think 
OSGeo and the open source community have 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Landon Blake
+1 on the development of local chapters. Strong local chapters will make
for a strong organization.

Question: As local chapters become a more important part of the
organization, how do we encourage collaboration among chapters, so as to
avoid duplicated effort?

Landon
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo


On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

 Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over
 the next 3 and 5 years.  I'd really like to hear thoughts on the  
 matter
 and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
 committees, projects, chapters and the board.

 It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election  
 to
 get a sense of where other members are thinking these days.


My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares in  
the next 3-5 years are the following three items:
- Continued expansion of the local chapters.  Local chapters make  
OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC  
channel can't.
- The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years, and  
we start to use it our central fundraising piece.
- Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs,  
benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be  
fostered by us.  From my biased developer's perspective, these have  
been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter  
development and consolidation of the conference.

Howard
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Thinking aloud, a possible contrarian view:

A goal like to produce a comprehensive suite of tools [that do X or Y]... 
doesn't likely fit with OSGeo's broad membership and interests.  We are an 
umbrella organization representing a number of projects, each with its own 
unique goals and agendas.  It is unlikely OSGeo would be able to produce a 
specific tool just because (hypothetically) the Board says we should: open 
source folks often don't take top-down direction well, unless it meets their 
own personal needs and agendas.

Which is not to say that an analytical tool suite is a bad idea, just that it 
seems unlikely to be a worthy goal at that level of the hierarchy.

-mpg


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 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of René A. Enguehard
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
 
 What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
 tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
 the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However,
 as I have noticed over the years, people are reluctant to move to open
 source implementations of geospatial software because they are, in
 effect, losing capabilities. Yes, there is still the potential for the
 same capabilities to be put back in, but the fact remains they just
 aren't there. For example, I have never seen any MCDA, PCA, HotSpot
 Analysis, CART or neural network tools in open source packages. If we
 were to produce a comprehensive suite of tools offering the standard
 analytical tools as well as some more advanced ones, then these
 proprietary offerings wouldn't look as appealing. Moreover, if we had a
 consolidated toolset which could be used on a multitude of project we
 would not have to re-invent the wheel for each separate project.
 Currently, proprietary software generally offers advanced analytic
 capability out-of-the-box and open source software does not. I see this
 as a bit of a stumbling block.
 
 Another thing, and I was chatting about this in the lab today, is that
 for particular needs, open source implementations of geospatial
 software
 generally don't have much to offer. The generic capabilities are there,
 or at least enabled for others to program, but special-needs cases
 there
 is not much. The example used today in the lab was CARIS HIPS or SIPS.
 What, if anything, exists in the open source community that could come
 close to the processing capabilities of this?
 
 Still another area with a lack of development is 3D and 4D modeling /
 rendering / analysis, something like ESRI ArcGlobe with the 3D Analyst
 package or Myriax Eonfusion. There has been very little work in these
 domains which are of particular interest to me. Perhaps the amount of
 people working in these areas is much smaller than the amount of people
 using something more like general analytic capabilities, but it is an
 area that needs work nonetheless.
 
 The point, and I'd like to make this clear, is not the I'm bemoaning
 the
 lack of features and projects in the open source community. I think
 OSGeo and the open source community have done a tremendous job and
 should feel, rightfully, proud at what they have accomplished. However,
 when asked what I'd like to see on the agenda for OSGeo, this is it.
 I'd
 like to see a hard push towards analytics to make the various projects
 we have to offer more directly useful to the average GIS user. In the
 end, it's really about market penetration. The more useful open source
 software is, the better a deal it looks like to outsiders and the
 more
 people we'll attract.
 
 Please note: I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself, IANAL,
 just
 my two cents, your mileage may vary, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam.
 
 Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
  Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo
 over
  the next 3 and 5 years.  I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
 matter
  and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
  committees, projects, chapters and the board.
 
  It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election
 to
  get a sense of where other members are thinking these days.
 
  Best wishes,
  Tyler
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [mapserver-users] Updated MapServer flyer

2009-09-15 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Not a bad idea Bob.  I'd also like to take it a step further and have
some basic web forms that help to create the flyers so that no software
is required on the client - e.g. enter the info, press create and
download a PDF.  Anyone want to help put their CGI and PDF lib skills
into this kind of thing?  It could even be used for creating business
cards, etc.

On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 08:38 -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
 All, 
 
 
 OK, probably a weird idea, but. . . . while looking for the brochure
 mentioned here (only found the old one so far . . .came into the
 thread in the middle) . . .a thought occurred to me.   Why not make
 this project brochure creation thing a step in the incubation
 process.  Use some sort of basic template and each project has it's
 own brochure. 
 
 
 bobb 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Lars Lingner m...@lingner.eu wrote:
 
 
 Steve Lime schrieb:
  Hi Lars, thanks for working up an updated brochure, looking at the
 old one
  it could use it. Some comments...
 
- I think I'd avoid the MapServer website screen shot in favor of
 another
  app. The website text features the security fix announcements which
 while
  a reality in a project aren't marketing friendly. I can offer a
 couple of sites
  as could others I bet. I like your example, nice and colorful.
 
 If someone could point me to MapServer powered sites, I'll update the
 screenshot in the flyer.
 
 
- Perhaps the screen shots could be a bit taller, more of a square
 aspect
  ratio#63;
 
 Ok, I'll take a further look.
 
 
- Under features it might make sense to highlight output options:
 all sorts
  of raster images, PDF, SWF, SVG and templated text
 
- Might include input and the new output plugin architectures as
 features
 
- The Leverages best-of-breed sentence could be reworked to say
 we
  leverage other OSGeo projects including GDAL, GEOS, PostGIS and
 Proj.4. I
  think we should really emphasize the reliance on other OSGeo
 projects.
 
- In the last feature sentence I think MapBuilder can be removed.
 There are
  some frameworks specific to (or that at least favor) MapServer (e.g.
 p.mapper
  and GeoMoose) that could get some love here...
 
 Thanks for this info. I'm putting it in.
 
 
  I think the 5.6 features are performance centric (raster rendering
 improvements,
  single pass, etc...). The 6.0 release *should* have a more
 output-based focus
  with full support for the rendering plugin, new object structures
 including
  references, better SLD support, styles within labels and so on. XML
 mapfiles
  will be in 5.6. It's important to note that XML mapfiles allow users
 to define
  a configuration in XML but you must transform it to a .map file for
 use. I hope
  that might really have an impact on wysiwyg editors eventually.
 
 
 Sounds like an interesting roadmap, I'll spread the word... ;)
 
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Julia Harrell

One thing I'll mention, in addition to all the other good comments that have 
already been posted, is that I have a really difficult time trying to get the 
GIS users in my organization to even consider making a switch to one of the 
open GIS desktop applications instead of the expensive proprietary commercial 
package they currently use, because (more often than not) of the rather big gap 
in the aesthetic quality of the cartographic products the open GIS packages 
can (easily) produce. Despite continuing improvements over the last couple of 
years, the gap will still need to close a good bit more in terms of average 
GIS users being able to quickly and easily produce production quality map 
products before there's much real hope of any significant numbers of them being 
willing to migrate to open GIS desktop packages. Some of the open GIS server 
packages can produce some really beautifully rendered map images now, but the 
desktop packages don't seem to be quite there yet.  Easy map product templates 
(for unsophisticated end users) for placing all the map marginalia/decorations 
(labeling, symbols, legends, titles, charts, etc) and being able to produce a 
professional looking map quickly is still missing. All that off the map crap 
(as someone - I can't recall who - once called it)  really does matter to a lot 
of our users, who often have to be able to compose and print (or render to PDF) 
some really slick looking, high resolution maps for public hearings and other 
meetings and presentations. 

Being able to use the old style Arcview DBF file raster image catalogs in an 
open GIS desktop package  is another pain point for a lot of our users. We 
still use those a lot because we have some people who are tied to Arcview 3x 
(god help 'em) because of various extensions. I also prefer not to switch to a 
proprietary geodatabase raster catalog because the DBF-based ones can also do 
double duty (in complete shapefile format) as raster catalog tile index layers 
for Mapserver. I don't really want to have migrate a separate copy of our 
imagery to some proprietary geodatabase raster catalog data structure that 
only a single product can use. Also, with our bandwidth issues in remote 
field offices, connecting to a web map service is not always feasible, or even 
possible. We need to be able to have our imagery in a raster catalog that 
resides a local network file server where multiple users can all access it 
simultaneously in R-O mode, or even on a portable hard drive for use out in the 
field.  This kind of raster catalog functionality seems to still be missing in 
several open GIS desktop packages that might otherwise be somewhat viable 
contenders as an Arcview replacement for average or casual  desktop GIS 
users. If such functionality does exists as a plugin somewhere, maybe I just 
haven't found it yet, or maybe recent docs aren't fully available in English 
yet for some packages. If anyone can point me to a link for an open GIS Desktop 
package that has a plugin for Arcview old style DBF raster catalogs, with 
English docs, that just works with minimal manual configuration (no checking 
anything out of subversion or compiling any source code), a few of our users 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Doug_Newcomb

Perhaps this is related to Helena's  OSGeo Edu posting , but more efforts
towards outreach to the Elementary, Middle, and High School ( pre-college)
educational communities.  Working with them to set up pre-packaged lessons
involving geographic concepts in which you can give the student a CD/DVD
with project data and software that they could use at home  on their
Windows/Mac/Linux box.  Not just basic viewing, but some analysis as well.


Doug


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On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Howard Butler wrote:


 On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

 Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo
 over
 the next 3 and 5 years.  I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
 matter
 and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
 committees, projects, chapters and the board.

 It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming
 election to
 get a sense of where other members are thinking these days.


 My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares
 in the next 3-5 years are the following three items:
 - Continued expansion of the local chapters.  Local chapters make
 OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC
 channel can't.
 - The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years,
 and we start to use it our central fundraising piece.
 - Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs,
 benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be
 fostered by us.  From my biased developer's perspective, these have
 been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter
 development and consolidation of the conference.

+1 on these, including OSGeo Edu efforts as another example of  cross-
project collaboration

Helena

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Julia Harrell ha scritto:

 numbers of them being willing to migrate to open GIS desktop packages. Some 
 of the open GIS
 server packages can produce some really beautifully rendered map images now, 
 but the desktop
 packages don't seem to be quite there yet.  Easy map product templates (for 
 unsophisticated end
 users) for placing all the map marginalia/decorations (labeling, symbols, 
 legends, titles,
 charts, etc) and being able to produce a professional looking map quickly is 
 still missing. All
 that off the map crap (as someone - I can't recall who - once called it)  
 really does matter to
 a lot of our users, who often have to be able to compose and print (or render 
 to PDF) some really
 slick looking, high resolution maps for public hearings and other meetings 
 and presentations.


Hi Julia.
Have you tried QGIS recently? The quality of cartographic output has improved 
considerably, and I do
not find is particularly limited. It would be very useful if you (or your 
users) could let us know
specific missing features (perhaps opening a wish o the trac) so next version 
will be ok for your
use. Please note however that the missing features may cost very little to 
implement, so that if you
can avoid paying a few licences of prprietary sw, the thing may make economic 
sense even in the
first year (not to spaek about longer term returns).


 Being able to use the old style Arcview DBF file raster image catalogs in 
 an open GIS desktop
 package  is another pain point for a lot of our users. We still use those a 
 lot because we have

Have you tried GDAL virtual rasters? They can be produced easily, and can be 
read by QGIS smoothly.
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Brent Fraser

Julia,

  Two very good points.   The first, cartographic output, comes up a few times 
a year and OSGEO has a wiki page on it:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Cartographic_Library.  In my opinion the 
solution described on the wiki is way too ambitious and instead should focus on 
creating a library of helper functions to deal with only the map surround 
components (leave the symbology and GUI up to the desktop app, etc).  My current 
workflow calls for Mapserver to render the map portion in PDF (maybe someday 
create a GeoPDF), and use Inkscape to interactively add most of the surround 
(still have to figure out the graticule).


  On the second point, image catalogs, GDAL's VRT format may be a good 
replacement.  But I don't know of a GUI tool to create/edit a VRT file, only a 
couple of command line tools to create them.  In theory, any desktop app using 
the GDAL library should be able to use VRT files, but I haven't done any 
performance testing...


Best Regards,
Brent Fraser

Julia Harrell wrote:

One thing I'll mention, in addition to all the other good comments that have already been posted, 
is that I have a really difficult time trying to get the GIS users in my organization to even 
consider making a switch to one of the open GIS desktop applications instead of the expensive 
proprietary commercial package they currently use, because (more often than not) of the rather big 
gap in the aesthetic quality of the cartographic products the open GIS packages can 
(easily) produce. Despite continuing improvements over the last couple of years, the gap will still 
need to close a good bit more in terms of average GIS users being able to quickly and 
easily produce production quality map products before there's much real hope of any significant 
numbers of them being willing to migrate to open GIS desktop packages. Some of the open GIS server 
packages can produce some really beautifully rendered map images now, but the desktop packages 
don't seem to be quite there yet.  Eas
y map product templates (for unsophisticated end users) for placing all the map marginalia/decorations (labeling, symbols, legends, titles, charts, etc) and being able to produce a professional looking map quickly is still missing. All that off the map crap (as someone - I can't recall who - once called it)  really does matter to a lot of our users, who often have to be able to compose and print (or render to PDF) some really slick looking, high resolution maps for public hearings and other meetings and presentations. 


Being able to use the old style Arcview DBF file raster image catalogs in an open GIS desktop package  is 
another pain point for a lot of our users. We still use those a lot because we have some people who are tied to Arcview 
3x (god help 'em) because of various extensions. I also prefer not to switch to a proprietary geodatabase 
raster catalog because the DBF-based ones can also do double duty (in complete shapefile format) as raster catalog tile 
index layers for Mapserver. I don't really want to have migrate a separate copy of our imagery to some proprietary 
geodatabase raster catalog data structure that only a single product can use. Also, with our 
bandwidth issues in remote field offices, connecting to a web map service is not always feasible, or even 
possible. We need to be able to have our imagery in a raster catalog that resides a local network file server where 
multiple users can all access it simultaneously in R-O mode, or even on a portable hard drive for

use out in the field.  This kind of raster catalog functionality seems to still be missing in several open GIS desktop 
packages that might otherwise be somewhat viable contenders as an Arcview replacement for average or 
casual  desktop GIS users. If such functionality does exists as a plugin somewhere, maybe I just haven't 
found it yet, or maybe recent docs aren't fully available in English yet for some packages. If anyone can point me to a 
link for an open GIS Desktop package that has a plugin for Arcview old style DBF raster catalogs, with 
English docs, that just works with minimal manual configuration (no checking anything out of subversion or 
compiling any source code), a few of our users will be very eager to give it a test.


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Fawcett, David
I wonder if Mirone allows you to create VRT files (or could be modified
to do it).  http://w3.ualg.pt/~jluis/mirone/index.htm

David.

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Julia,

   Two very good points.   The first, cartographic output, comes up a
few times 
a year and OSGEO has a wiki page on it:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Cartographic_Library.  In my opinion
the 
solution described on the wiki is way too ambitious and instead should
focus on 
creating a library of helper functions to deal with only the map
surround 
components (leave the symbology and GUI up to the desktop app, etc).  My
current 
workflow calls for Mapserver to render the map portion in PDF (maybe
someday 
create a GeoPDF), and use Inkscape to interactively add most of the
surround 
(still have to figure out the graticule).

   On the second point, image catalogs, GDAL's VRT format may be a good 
replacement.  But I don't know of a GUI tool to create/edit a VRT file,
only a 
couple of command line tools to create them.  In theory, any desktop app
using 
the GDAL library should be able to use VRT files, but I haven't done any

performance testing...

Best Regards,
Brent Fraser

Julia Harrell wrote:
 One thing I'll mention, in addition to all the other good comments 
 that have already been posted, is that I have a really difficult time
trying to get the GIS users in my organization to even consider making a
switch to one of the open GIS desktop applications instead of the
expensive proprietary commercial package they currently use, because
(more often than not) of the rather big gap in the aesthetic quality
of the cartographic products the open GIS packages can (easily) produce.
Despite continuing improvements over the last couple of years, the gap
will still need to close a good bit more in terms of average GIS users
being able to quickly and easily produce production quality map products
before there's much real hope of any significant numbers of them being
willing to migrate to open GIS desktop packages. Some of the open GIS
server packages can produce some really beautifully rendered map images
now, but the desktop packages don't seem to be quite there yet.  Eas
y map product templates (for unsophisticated end users) for placing all
the map marginalia/decorations (labeling, symbols, legends, titles,
charts, etc) and being able to produce a professional looking map
quickly is still missing. All that off the map crap (as someone - I
can't recall who - once called it)  really does matter to a lot of our
users, who often have to be able to compose and print (or render to PDF)
some really slick looking, high resolution maps for public hearings and
other meetings and presentations. 
 
 Being able to use the old style Arcview DBF file raster image 
 catalogs in an open GIS desktop package  is another pain point for a
lot of our users. We still use those a lot because we have some people
who are tied to Arcview 3x (god help 'em) because of various extensions.
I also prefer not to switch to a proprietary geodatabase raster
catalog because the DBF-based ones can also do double duty (in complete
shapefile format) as raster catalog tile index layers for Mapserver. I
don't really want to have migrate a separate copy of our imagery to some
proprietary geodatabase raster catalog data structure that only a
single product can use. Also, with our bandwidth issues in remote
field offices, connecting to a web map service is not always feasible,
or even possible. We need to be able to have our imagery in a raster
catalog that resides a local network file server where multiple users
can all access it simultaneously in R-O mode, or even on a portable hard
drive for
 use out in the field.  This kind of raster catalog functionality seems
to still be missing in several open GIS desktop packages that might
otherwise be somewhat viable contenders as an Arcview replacement for
average or casual  desktop GIS users. If such functionality does
exists as a plugin somewhere, maybe I just haven't found it yet, or
maybe recent docs aren't fully available in English yet for some
packages. If anyone can point me to a link for an open GIS Desktop
package that has a plugin for Arcview old style DBF raster catalogs,
with English docs, that just works with minimal manual configuration
(no checking anything out of subversion or compiling any source code), a
few of our users will be very eager to give it a test.
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Insurance for contractors?

2009-09-15 Thread Landon Blake
FYI: 

In some states professionals are restricted from forming LLCs or
corporations. The law requires that you are personally liable for your
work.

In some states professionals are only allowed to form special LLCs or
corporations.

This may only apply to licensed professionals at this time, but as the
line between licensed professions and other professions blurs this may
become a more foggy issue.

Landon
Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
 
 

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Insurance for contractors?

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 * in the US, sole proprietorship is the way to go for simple
one-person, garage-based shops

   
Having contracted as both a sole proprietorship and a corporation, I'd 
qualify that one.  Sole proprietorship is easy, but.

- you don't get quite as many tax benefits

- you open yourself up to a lot of personal liability, even with 
insurance - if you have any serious assets (say a house or stock 
portfolio that hasn't completely tanked), putting a corporate shell 
between you and a lawsuit provides some serious protection

- you can simplify some of the paperwork by incorporating as either 
Subchapter S or an LLC

Miles

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: OSGeo Board Elections 2009

2009-09-15 Thread Julien-Samuel Lacroix

Jeff McKenna

I nominate Jeff McKenna to the OSGeo Board of Directors.  Jeff has been 
active in OSGeo since being voted as a founding charter member.  He 
leads the conference committee and has assisted in each of the annual 
FOSS4G events since 2004.


Jeff has been very active in the MapServer community for almost 10 
years.  Not a trained developer, he has made a point of trying to help 
new users in any way that he can: such as through documentation, 
installers (MapServer 4 Windows, OSGeo4W), and answering general mailing 
list questions.  He is a member of MapServer's Project Steering 
Committee (PSC), which is responsible for the direction of the product.


Jeff is a frequent traveller, and enjoys spreading his passion for 
FOSS4G through workshops for new users around the world.  He actually 
enjoys training new users, and has held workshops at many universities 
and colleges.


As he is now operating his own consulting company based on FOSS4G, on 
the East Coast of Canada, I believe Jeff has the experience and he will 
bring passion and a strong voice to the OSGeo board.


Julien-Samuel Lacroix

Paul Ramsey wrote:

OSGeo Members,

The OSGeo Board Election for 2009 is now beginning. The first stage is
the nomination of candidates for the board. Board membership is for a
two year term, and half the Board is refreshed each year. This year
there are five seats up for election.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2009#Board_Election

Anyone can submit a Board nomination, however only Charter Members are
eligible to serve on the Board. The complete list of charter members
is available by combining

* (2009 additions) http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2009
* (Prior years) http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members

Please submit your nominations, consisting of name and a paragraph
describing why you think this person would make a good Board member,
to c...@osgeo.org. Please ensure that your nominee is actually willing
to serve, prior to nominating them.

The nomination period will close at midnight Monday 21th September
2009, and will be followed by a one-week voting period.

Yours,

Paul Ramsey
OSGeo Chief Returning Officer (2009)



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [mapserver-users] Updated MapServer flyer

2009-09-15 Thread Bob Basques

All,

I could do something for collecting the data with perl, haven't worked 
with PDF output yet though.


bobb



Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

Not a bad idea Bob.  I'd also like to take it a step further and have
some basic web forms that help to create the flyers so that no software
is required on the client - e.g. enter the info, press create and
download a PDF.  Anyone want to help put their CGI and PDF lib skills
into this kind of thing?  It could even be used for creating business
cards, etc.

On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 08:38 -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
  
All, 



OK, probably a weird idea, but. . . . while looking for the brochure
mentioned here (only found the old one so far . . .came into the
thread in the middle) . . .a thought occurred to me.   Why not make
this project brochure creation thing a step in the incubation
process.  Use some sort of basic template and each project has it's
own brochure. 



bobb 









Lars Lingner m...@lingner.eu wrote:
  

Steve Lime schrieb:


Hi Lars, thanks for working up an updated brochure, looking at the
  

old one


it could use it. Some comments...

  - I think I'd avoid the MapServer website screen shot in favor of
  

another


app. The website text features the security fix announcements which
  

while


a reality in a project aren't marketing friendly. I can offer a
  

couple of sites


as could others I bet. I like your example, nice and colorful.
  

If someone could point me to MapServer powered sites, I'll update the
screenshot in the flyer.



  - Perhaps the screen shots could be a bit taller, more of a square
  

aspect


ratio#63;
  

Ok, I'll take a further look.



  - Under features it might make sense to highlight output options:
  

all sorts


of raster images, PDF, SWF, SVG and templated text

  - Might include input and the new output plugin architectures as
  

features


  - The Leverages best-of-breed sentence could be reworked to say
  

we


leverage other OSGeo projects including GDAL, GEOS, PostGIS and
  

Proj.4. I


think we should really emphasize the reliance on other OSGeo
  

projects.


  - In the last feature sentence I think MapBuilder can be removed.
  

There are


some frameworks specific to (or that at least favor) MapServer (e.g.
  

p.mapper


and GeoMoose) that could get some love here...
  

Thanks for this info. I'm putting it in.



I think the 5.6 features are performance centric (raster rendering
  

improvements,


single pass, etc...). The 6.0 release *should* have a more
  

output-based focus


with full support for the rendering plugin, new object structures
  

including


references, better SLD support, styles within labels and so on. XML
  

mapfiles


will be in 5.6. It's important to note that XML mapfiles allow users
  

to define


a configuration in XML but you must transform it to a .map file for
  

use. I hope


that might really have an impact on wysiwyg editors eventually.

  

Sounds like an interesting roadmap, I'll spread the word... ;)


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