[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin
Hi all. Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392 I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. For my experience, I do not think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server administration is a service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures. Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource for open source software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who are doing it!). In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in charge of software upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin
Or, of course, another option would be those members of OSGeo who are more or less corporate members could volunteer time of a member of staff who would otherwise be not contributing to the OSGeo effort. And in defence of all those who are not developers, being a sys admin is rather harder than printing brochures or accounting. Some might even suggest it is as hard as being a developer. But we wouldn't want to listen to them, would we ;) Cheers Chris - Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: Hi all. Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392 I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. For my experience, I do not think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server administration is a service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures. Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource for open source software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who are doing it!). In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in charge of software upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit http://iso26300.info for more information. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin
Chris Puttick ha scritto: And in defence of all those who are not developers, being a sys admin is rather harder than sure, sorry if someone felt offended: I did not speak of hardness, just as a kind of work: you can be a dev and contribute when you have good ideas/time/inspiration etc., if you are an accountant or an admin you have to be there in time, that's it. http://www.sysadminday.com/ :) All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin
Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi all. Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392 I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. Good point! For my experience, I do not think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server administration is a service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures. A 'poisonous' person may say that software development is a service that is not well suited for volunteer work ;-) Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource for open source software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who are doing it!). Agreed, absolutely! In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in charge of software upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc. All the best. If OSGeo can afford it, I think it's sounds like a very good plan. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Howard, your list looks good to me. OSGeo should focus on: * Local Chapters * Conferences (FOSS4G + many, many localized versions) * Global strategic binding (that is cross project, journal, marketing, etc.) I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt the number of paid staff and budget. We can make good use with 100k more for hardware, services and to have more reserves for the conferences. But I believe that we should not let the budget grow beyond ~half a million - not even in five years. If there is money to make then it should be made by businesses. They in turn are welcome to sponsor OSGeo. By supporting FOSS business development OSGeo automagically supports itself. Local Chapters should grow by themselves, in most cases an small initial stub created from within OSGeo Global is enough to get going. And as Howard said - the life of OSGeo is within the local chapters. Regards, Arnulf. PS: I wonder how many FOSS geospatial core software developers there are? Any educated guesses? What for? Becasue those are the ones who need OSGeo global. All the others are well served with LCs. Howard Butler schrieb: On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst committees, projects, chapters and the board. It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election to get a sense of where other members are thinking these days. My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares in the next 3-5 years are the following three items: - Continued expansion of the local chapters. Local chapters make OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC channel can't. - The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years, and we start to use it our central fundraising piece. - Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs, benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be fostered by us. From my biased developer's perspective, these have been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter development and consolidation of the conference. Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Arnulf Christl OSGeo President http://www.osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:40:17PM -0500, Howard Butler wrote: On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst committees, projects, chapters and the board. It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election to get a sense of where other members are thinking these days. My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares in the next 3-5 years are the following three items: - Continued expansion of the local chapters. Local chapters make OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC channel can't. - The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years, and we start to use it our central fundraising piece. - Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs, benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be fostered by us. From my biased developer's perspective, these have been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter development and consolidation of the conference. I was going to write a post in response to this, but after reading Howard's, I realize I hardly need to: essentially, his opinions and position mirror mine 100%. Best Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin
Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi all. Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392 I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. For my experience, I do not think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server administration is a service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures. Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource for open source software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who are doing it!). In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in charge of software upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc. Paolo, Within some limits, I feel that system administration can be well suited to volunteers. I don't feel OSGeo can afford a good system administrator at market rates, even part time. If we were paying market rates I think it would take some serious cost benefit analysis to determine if the Trac upgrade would be a worthwhile investment of money. Nevertheless, I do keep an eye out for possible system administration services we could contract for at below international market rates to do some tasks that are now generally left undone, even if we couldn't get the fire and forget caliber of admin it would be nice to have. I'd add that at this time SAC's budget is rather modest, and focused on paying our Peer1 hosting costs, and the planned acquisition of some modest additional hardware. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] what about wms-sites.com ?
hi all, there was a nice site (wms-sites.com) that I enjoyed very much because you could do thematic searches of avaible WMS, getting back a RSS feed that can be parsed and so on. the site has disappeared and I wonder if someone knows something or similar sites... I just know the list below, but they don't provide RSS. thanks, Pere Explore our planet: http://exploreourpla.net/gis/maps/ - http://columbo.nrlssc.navy.mil/ogcwms/servlet/WMSServlet?REQUEST=ServiceLinks -http://www.skylab-mobilesystems.com/en/wms_serverlist.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] what about wms-sites.com ?
something equivalent: http://ows-search-engine.appspot.com/ On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM, pere roca ristol pero...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, there was a nice site (wms-sites.com) that I enjoyed very much because you could do thematic searches of avaible WMS, getting back a RSS feed that can be parsed and so on. the site has disappeared and I wonder if someone knows something or similar sites... I just know the list below, but they don't provide RSS. thanks, Pere Explore our planet: http://exploreourpla.net/gis/maps/ - http://columbo.nrlssc.navy.mil/ogcwms/servlet/WMSServlet?REQUEST=ServiceLinks -http://www.skylab-mobilesystems.com/en/wms_serverlist.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- CTO Geospatial Camptocamp SA Cédric Moullet PSE A CH-1015 Lausanne www.camptocamp.com / www.mapfish.org / twitter.com/cedricmoullet / mapfishblog.blogspot.com/ +41 79 759 69 83 (mobile) +41 21 619 10 21 (direct) +41 21 619 10 10 (centrale) +41 21 619 10 00 (fax) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Hi All, I agree with you i think we need a local chapter policy, to redistribute knowledge and organizational experience through the LC, helping ourselves to organize hack meetings and local conferences. I think we also need to focus on an educational strategy to promote FOSS inside university departments. A lot of people uses proprietary sw for their works not because they think the proprietary software is better than the FOSS, but simply because they learned a proprietary application during their study and continue using them without considering other sw. (cracking sw is too easy and in my experience I see teachers even apply cracks or password cracked apps to their students) So i hope to see in the next 5 years, OSGeo will improve in this direction, giving the right weight to an educational strategy. Regards, Massimo. Il giorno 28/set/09, alle ore 18:17, Christopher Schmidt ha scritto: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:40:17PM -0500, Howard Butler wrote: On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst committees, projects, chapters and the board. It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election to get a sense of where other members are thinking these days. My measurement of success for OSGeo and priorities I hope it shares in the next 3-5 years are the following three items: - Continued expansion of the local chapters. Local chapters make OSGeo real in the sense that mailing lists, websites, and an IRC channel can't. - The conference continues uninterrupted for the next five years, and we start to use it our central fundraising piece. - Cross-project collaboration, like the journal, osgeo4w, metacrs, benchmarking, system administration, and geodata continues to be fostered by us. From my biased developer's perspective, these have been OSGeo's biggest accomplishments along with the local chapter development and consolidation of the conference. I was going to write a post in response to this, but after reading Howard's, I realize I hardly need to: essentially, his opinions and position mirror mine 100%. Best Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] what about wms-sites.com ?
Thank you Cédric for promoting this web application. Since I'm the author of OWS Search Engine, I would like to clarify what it is: just a GUI for Yahoo! Search BOSS specialised in finding OGC web services; not a catalogue of WMS services. wms-sites.com was rather a catalogue. By the way, I would love to develop a catalogue of geospatial services... Regards, Benjamin Chartier Cédric Moullet a écrit : something equivalent: http://ows-search-engine.appspot.com/ On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM, pere roca ristol pero...@gmail.com mailto:pero...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, there was a nice site (wms-sites.com http://wms-sites.com) that I enjoyed very much because you could do thematic searches of avaible WMS, getting back a RSS feed that can be parsed and so on. the site has disappeared and I wonder if someone knows something or similar sites... I just know the list below, but they don't provide RSS. thanks, Pere Explore our planet: http://exploreourpla.net/gis/maps/ -http://columbo.nrlssc.navy.mil/ogcwms/servlet/WMSServlet?REQUEST=ServiceLinks -http://www.skylab-mobilesystems.com/en/wms_serverlist.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- CTO Geospatial Camptocamp SA Cédric Moullet PSE A CH-1015 Lausanne www.camptocamp.com http://www.camptocamp.com / www.mapfish.org http://www.mapfish.org / twitter.com/cedricmoullet http://twitter.com/cedricmoullet / mapfishblog.blogspot.com/ http://mapfishblog.blogspot.com/ +41 79 759 69 83 (mobile) +41 21 619 10 21 (direct) +41 21 619 10 10 (centrale) +41 21 619 10 00 (fax) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] what about wms-sites.com ?
Hey- pere roca ristol wrote: hi all, there was a nice site (wms-sites.com http://wms-sites.com) that I enjoyed very much because you could do thematic searches of avaible WMS, getting back a RSS feed that can be parsed and so on. the site has disappeared and I wonder if someone knows something or similar sites... I just know the list below, but they don't provide RSS. I put wms-sites.com together a few years ago. It was running on a pretty outdated setup, and the hosting company I used went out of business, so I let it come to an end. I've started on an updated replacement. I kept all the catalog entries and will populate the new service with these when I get it running. I'll also take a look at http://ows-search-engine.appspot.com/ (I'm not getting any response right now). My current work is also an appengine solution - so perhaps there is room for collaboration. I'll post here when I have something interesting to look at. Tim thanks, Pere Explore our planet: http://exploreourpla.net/gis/maps/ -http://columbo.nrlssc.navy.mil/ogcwms/servlet/WMSServlet?REQUEST=ServiceLinks -http://www.skylab-mobilesystems.com/en/wms_serverlist.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Tim Schaub OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] what about wms-sites.com ?
Good news. Feel free to contact me directly if you want more details about OWS Search Engine. Benjamin Tim Schaub a écrit : Hey- pere roca ristol wrote: hi all, there was a nice site (wms-sites.com http://wms-sites.com) that I enjoyed very much because you could do thematic searches of avaible WMS, getting back a RSS feed that can be parsed and so on. the site has disappeared and I wonder if someone knows something or similar sites... I just know the list below, but they don't provide RSS. I put wms-sites.com together a few years ago. It was running on a pretty outdated setup, and the hosting company I used went out of business, so I let it come to an end. I've started on an updated replacement. I kept all the catalog entries and will populate the new service with these when I get it running. I'll also take a look at http://ows-search-engine.appspot.com/ (I'm not getting any response right now). My current work is also an appengine solution - so perhaps there is room for collaboration. I'll post here when I have something interesting to look at. Tim thanks, Pere Explore our planet: http://exploreourpla.net/gis/maps/ -http://columbo.nrlssc.navy.mil/ogcwms/servlet/WMSServlet?REQUEST=ServiceLinks -http://www.skylab-mobilesystems.com/en/wms_serverlist.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] what about wms-sites.com ?
Tom Kralidis and I also worked on a WFS implementation of an OWS resources catalog some time ago for the CGDI: http://atlas.gc.ca/cgi-bin/owscatwfs?service=WFSrequest=GetCapabilities where service_endpoints: are actual service instances service_resources: are layers and feature types parsed out of the capabilities documents harvested. and the geometry for those feature types is the area covered by the services (with too many -180,180 services). That way you could do a geographic query for layers/feature types using a WFS query mechanism. Mike Tim Schaub wrote: Hey- pere roca ristol wrote: hi all, there was a nice site (wms-sites.com http://wms-sites.com) that I enjoyed very much because you could do thematic searches of avaible WMS, getting back a RSS feed that can be parsed and so on. the site has disappeared and I wonder if someone knows something or similar sites... I just know the list below, but they don't provide RSS. I put wms-sites.com together a few years ago. It was running on a pretty outdated setup, and the hosting company I used went out of business, so I let it come to an end. I've started on an updated replacement. I kept all the catalog entries and will populate the new service with these when I get it running. I'll also take a look at http://ows-search-engine.appspot.com/ (I'm not getting any response right now). My current work is also an appengine solution - so perhaps there is room for collaboration. I'll post here when I have something interesting to look at. Tim thanks, Pere Explore our planet: http://exploreourpla.net/gis/maps/ -http://columbo.nrlssc.navy.mil/ogcwms/servlet/WMSServlet?REQUEST=ServiceLinks -http://www.skylab-mobilesystems.com/en/wms_serverlist.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Michael Adair Senior Software Architect DM Solutions Group Inc. Office: (613) 565-5056 x26 mad...@dmsolutions.ca http://www.dmsolutions.ca http://research.dmsolutions.ca ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
