RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models
gvSIG has very nice marketing materials on the implementaiotn of FOSS4G and OSS in general in reigonal government - very convining (-; http://www.gvsig.org/web/ I have their prints on the history - very nice arguments. (-: You can also look into OSOR (Open Source Observatory and Repository): http://www.osor.eu/. Plenty of nice cases there. Success!! (-: Best regards: Raf Dr. Rafal Wawer K.U.Leuven RD Division SADL (Spatial Application Division) Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224 BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee Belgium tel. 0032 16 329731 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Ravi Sent: 25 November 2009 08:46 To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models Hi, some examples about how different European cities have shifted to FOSS GIS for, traffic management, policing and even health, will be welcome. Such examples can pave the way for new entrepreneurs. Ravi Kumar --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Venkatesh Raghavan ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp wrote: From: Venkatesh Raghavan ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org, OSGeo Marketing market...@lists.osgeo.org Date: Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 9:09 AM Hi All, Nice to see responses to the intresting thread started bu Daniele. I think what Daniele is looking for is some kind of a How to convince a venture (or social) captitalist to invest in FOSS4G technnologies and/or companies. Guess the venture capitalist would be inerested to see some statistical data on how FOSS4G based companies are growing elsewhere and what are their core business stratagies. Hope is see some intresting ideas emanating from this thread. Best Venka Miles Fidelman wrote: One more reference: Wikipedia's history of open source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_history) has a pretty good discussion of the early days of software development - when pretty much everything was open source, but the term had not been coined yet. Miles Miles Fidelman wrote: Charlie, Charlie Schweik wrote: See http://www.umass.edu/opensource/schweik/Chapter_2_schweik_final_dr aft.pdf This book still is being finalized and not yet published. If anyone on this list reads this chapter, I'd appreciate any comments you may have. If you Daniele, or anyone else uses content from this in some capacity, I'd appreciate you contacting me so I can give you information on how to cite it. Since you asked :-) A few comments: 1. I seriously question the characterization of open source as primarily driven by volunteers. History says otherwise. 2. I'd look for some better sources re. monitary support for early open source projects. If you look a little harder, you'll find that almost all widely-used open source software started with somebody who was working at a job that paid them to write an initial code base - be it working on a a government contract or grant, or working on software as in internal IT staffer. The examples I always point to are: - Apache (started as the NCSA web daemon) - Unix (it all goes back to Bell Labs, with the BSD variations going back to Berkeley) - Sendmail - Postgres And the list goes on. (One interesting list of very early projects: http://eu.conecta.it/paper/Some_dates_open_source.html) Yes, a sizeable portion of contributors are volunteers - but some historical spelunking quickly points out that most projects started with someone who was being paid for their time. (Richard Stallman might be the exception, though MIT provided for his support in various forms). 3. Historically, the motivations you list as academic and scientific motivation #2 and #3 are the earliest and oldest motivations for open source code - dating back to the period when government funded work automatically entered the public domain (thus predating the entire notion of open source licenses). Almost ALL early software was funded by the government (notably DARPA and NSF), was shared as academic research, and automatically entered the public domain. Hope this is useful, Miles Fidelman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. Thanks to all. -- /* * michogar * Analista Programador SIG * GNU/Linux Counter 462666 * * http://michogar.wordpress.com * http://twitter.com/michogar * http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/michogar * http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Michogar */ Sent from Madrid, Spain ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. Lars ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Lars Lingner escribió: Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. This is the place where we *should* have project logos, but at this time there are just sponsors and general OSGeo branding stuff. Maybe the logos are there, out of the logo folder... What about asking any project to place there the best/last logo they have? Cheers -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Thanks Lars, those are the ones who have, now we are looking for the logos of the other projects. Thanks 2009/11/25 Lars Lingner m...@lingner.eu Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. Lars ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- /* * michogar * Analista Programador SIG * GNU/Linux Counter 462666 * * http://michogar.wordpress.com * http://twitter.com/michogar * http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/michogar * http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Michogar */ Sent from Madrid, Spain ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
and a wiki page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Logos_from_OSGeo_projects Marco Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. Thanks to all. -- /* * michogar * Analista Programador SIG * GNU/Linux Counter 462666 * * http://michogar.wordpress.com * http://twitter.com/michogar * http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/michogar * http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Michogar */ Sent from Madrid, Spain ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- +++ FOSSGIS e.V. die unabhängige Hilfe bei freier GIS-Software und freien Geodaten www.fossgis.de + ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Micho Gar escribió: Thanks Lars, those are the ones who have, now we are looking for the logos of the other projects. Thanks from spanish mailing list... there's a wiki page http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Logos_from_OSGeo_projects maybe we can add svg files to the wiki? and/or the svn? 2009/11/25 Lars Lingner m...@lingner.eu mailto:m...@lingner.eu Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. Lars ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- /* * michogar * Analista Programador SIG * GNU/Linux Counter 462666 * * http://michogar.wordpress.com * http://twitter.com/michogar * http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/michogar * http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Michogar */ Sent from Madrid, Spain ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas escribió: Lars Lingner escribió: Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. This is the place where we *should* have project logos, but at this time there are just sponsors and general OSGeo branding stuff. Maybe the logos are there, out of the logo folder... What about asking any project to place there the best/last logo they have? Cheers Well I've created a folder for project logos, and placed there gvSIG ones. Maybe other projects can place their logos or an svn:externals link. Cheers http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/projects/ -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models
Venkatesh Raghavan wrote: I think what Daniele is looking for is some kind of a How to convince a venture (or social) captitalist to invest in FOSS4G technnologies and/or companies. Guess the venture capitalist would be inerested to see some statistical data on how FOSS4G based companies are growing elsewhere and what are their core business stratagies. I just went back and re-read Daniele's initial post, and now realize that it's not entirely clear what Daniele was asking for. So. Daniele, When you said convince his company management and finances to invest in FOSS4G technologies over the next 5 years. The company presently does a small part of its business using FOSS4G tools but is wondering if it should take a deeper plunge into the FOSS4G world. Does this refer to investing in FOSS4G tools for: - internal use - as part of the toolkit used in company engagements - as a service offering (e.g., supporting FOSS4G tools) - as components of systems built for clients - as products to develop and release/market - as something else - as a combination of the above? A little scoping along these lines would be very useful in providing input to a document with concrete data about how companies elsewhere in the world are profiting, growing, increasing market share and the kind of clients that they are catering to. Also... when you say The company also wants to consider marketing broad based services for SDI - I sort of infer that you're not talking about Strategic Defense. So... who are you expanding the acronym? Finally, when you're done - how about sharing a copy of the resulting paper, or at least a version with proprietary information removed? Cheers, Miles -- Miles R. Fidelman, Director of Government Programs Traverse Technologies 145 Tremont Street, 3rd Floor Boston, MA 02111 mfidel...@traversetechnologies.com 857-362-8314 www.traversetechnologies.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos
Thanks Xurxo, i am looking for more logos. Thanks to all. 2009/11/25 Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas js...@osgeo.org Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas escribió: Lars Lingner escribió: Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. This is the place where we *should* have project logos, but at this time there are just sponsors and general OSGeo branding stuff. Maybe the logos are there, out of the logo folder... What about asking any project to place there the best/last logo they have? Cheers Well I've created a folder for project logos, and placed there gvSIG ones. Maybe other projects can place their logos or an svn:externals link. Cheers http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/projects/ -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- /* * michogar * Analista Programador SIG * GNU/Linux Counter 462666 * * http://michogar.wordpress.com * http://twitter.com/michogar * http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/michogar * http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Michogar */ Sent from Madrid, Spain ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Request for OSGeo projects logos (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos)
How is one supposed to do this SVN stuff without access to the SVN repo? (hint, add pramsey) P On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Arnulf Christl arn...@osgeo.org wrote: OSGeo Project Leads (incubating and graduated), please make sure that you upload your logos in high quality SVG format to the OSGeo Marketing SVN repository, please create a sub folder with the name of your project: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/projects/ The logos will be used by the Marketing Committee, Local Chapters and individuals giving presentations, talks, etc. Pushing your logo there in high quality will add emphasis to your professionalism and help to promote and add visibility to your efforts. If you do not have an acceptable SVG file please upload a high resolution raster image, that will still be better than not having anything. Best regards, Arnulf. Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote: Lars Lingner escribió: Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. This is the place where we *should* have project logos, but at this time there are just sponsors and general OSGeo branding stuff. Maybe the logos are there, out of the logo folder... What about asking any project to place there the best/last logo they have? Cheers -- Arnulf Christl President OSGeo http://www.osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Request for OSGeo projects logos (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos)
Done. Anyone else needing to be added for access can let me or Arnulf know. - Original Message - From: Paul Ramsey pram...@cleverelephant.ca Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:04 am Subject: Re: Request for OSGeo projects logos (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo projects logos) To: arn...@osgeo.org, OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org How is one supposed to do this SVN stuff without access to the SVN repo? (hint, add pramsey) P On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Arnulf Christl arn...@osgeo.org wrote: OSGeo Project Leads (incubating and graduated), please make sure that you upload your logos in high quality SVG format to the OSGeo Marketing SVN repository, please create a sub folder with the name of your project: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/projects/ The logos will be used by the Marketing Committee, Local Chapters and individuals giving presentations, talks, etc. Pushing your logo there in high quality will add emphasis to your professionalism and help to promote and add visibility to your efforts. If you do not have an acceptable SVG file please upload a high resolution raster image, that will still be better than not having anything. Best regards, Arnulf. Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote: Lars Lingner escribió: Micho Gar schrieb: Hi all, the OSGeo spanish chapter are working on making a poster to the 5th gvSIG conference. We need the logos of the OSGeo projects, but in vectorial format, like .svg. Do you know where we can find??. There is an subversion repository: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/ Maybe that has some sources you could use. This is the place where we *should* have project logos, but at this time there are just sponsors and general OSGeo branding stuff. Maybe the logos are there, out of the logo folder... What about asking any project to place there the best/last logo they have? Cheers -- Arnulf Christl President OSGeo http://www.osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Fwd: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] GDAL and ESRI]
[...] HI Ravi, There is a nice term describing how GPL works - viral effect. If you touch GPL you will be GPeLd to GPL yourself. Unlike the flue ... there is not cure (-; Best regards: RAf I suggest to not use the term viral effect but rather call it a vaccine. Viral effect reeks of FUD intended to make .us look like bacilli. Vaccine is more appropriate because people generally consciously choose to get it knowing perfectly well what they are doing. Viruses instead are nasty and jump on you without politely asking beforehand. It may be unconventional to fight a well known Meme like viral effect but that does not make is any more appropriate. :-) Will need to add this to [[Category:Advocacy]] some day... -- Arnulf Christl President OSGeo http://www.osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Incubator] [Fwd: Re: Request for OSGeo projects logos]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Someone was a lot brighter than me long ago: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Logos_from_OSGeo_projects Pls. update your links and add our new projects while you are at it. Regards, Arnulf Christl wrote: Folks, Frank is perfectly right in saying that we might have wanted to have people add a pointer in the OSGeo Wiki to their logo on their own servers. On the other hand those pages also tend to wither and go away (unless you are a solid rock like GDAL). What to do? Diversity wins. I will whip up a Wiki page and add a pointer to both places, so jut do one of the two or both. Then we can follow up in a year and see which way was better. Regards, Arnulf. Original Message Subject: Re: Request for OSGeo projects logos Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:10:39 -0500 From: Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com To: arn...@osgeo.org References: 5b9547fb0911250105g5453a933x4ac142702bbfb...@mail.gmail.com 4b0cf81c.4070...@lingner.eu 4b0cfafc.7060...@osgeo.org 4b0d610f.8050...@osgeo.org Arnulf Christl wrote: OSGeo Project Leads (incubating and graduated), please make sure that you upload your logos in high quality SVG format to the OSGeo Marketing SVN repository, please create a sub folder with the name of your project: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/projects/ Arnulf, IMHO it would have been better to have a marketing wiki page that pointed to where projects kept their logo. The current approach means someone from every project needs osgeo svn access, and the chances of their remembering to update this copy of the logo if their logo changes is very small. Best regards, ___ Incubator mailing list incuba...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator - -- Arnulf Christl Spatial Systems Architect WhereGroup GmbH Co. KG http://www.wheregroup.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAksNa1sACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b05rwCfUGID9scROl7TBp8UmidjR31t EgkAnj/4qkCC2diX0ii6wZeRffyGmSv9 =A0go -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Fwd: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] GDAL and ESRI]
Arnulf Christl ha scritto: I suggest to not use the term viral effect but rather call it a vaccine. or inherited, possibly more appropriate: you cannot get infected by free software, but if you derive from it, i.e. you share a common ancestor, you also get some of its properties (i.e. licencing). All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
