Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models
Hi As I have some perspective about gvSIG (I was directly involved last 6 years), I may suggest you to contact directly with people in charge of the project both in main founder and two main contractors: CIT (Generalitat Valenciana): Martín García or Gabriel Carrión IVER: Pepe Vidal or Alvaro Anguix Prodevelop: Miguel Montesinos. This may be the best path for starting, as far as I know. Greetings Luis P.S. If you need some of the email addresses, please write to me by private email. Rafal Wawer wrote: Dear Daniele, No need to be sorry. The hasty was with the (-; (-: Anyway - please consider reformulating the sentence. I will suggest contacting someone from gvSIG (http://www.gvsig.org/web/) and ask for help - I am sure gvSIG wil be happy to cooperate. I am looking forward to the final document. (-: Cheers: Raf Dr. Rafal Wawer K.U.Leuven RD Division SADL (Spatial Application Division) Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224 BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee Belgium tel. 0032 16 329731 *From:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *daniele.ocu ocu *Sent:* 15 December 2009 18:07 *To:* discuss@lists.osgeo.org *Subject:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models Dear Rafal, Thank you very much for your considerations. I am also very thankful for the suggestions. I am sorry if the statements in the report appeared to be hasty but I totally agree with you, the research is only in the beginning and I will go on increasing the contact with the companies and lists you suggested. Daniele -- Researcher @ Osaka City University Graduate School for Creative Cities http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/gistrends My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there. — Charles F. Kettering ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models
Actually Miguel, the question was asked by Daniele (-: I had general knowledge on gvSIG project, coming from the evaluation and documentation of that project within CASCADOSS so I pointed out gvSIG to Daniele, who is making a study on FOSS4G business models, as an example of a development, driven by needs for savings on software costs, ordered by regional government. Anyway - thank you very much Miguel, for explanation on business aspect of the gvSIG project. 160% is a very impressive result indeed! (-: Best regards: Raf Dr. Rafal Wawer K.U.Leuven RD Division SADL (Spatial Application Division) Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224 BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee Belgium tel. 0032 16 329731 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Miguel Montesinos Sent: 18 December 2009 14:25 To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models Hi Rafal, I've been mentioned, so I'm involved ;-) I can give you some generic hints. I suggest (if you haven't) having a look at Wikinomics [1]. Regarding gvSIG, there are not metric data collected so far. I can tell you that companies (not only Iver and Prodevelop) working around gvSIG, started sharing traditional closed business models (I call them deprived models, because they limit what you can do with the software) with open-source ones, and the results happily forced us to leave deprived models towards an open-source one. AFAIK, we both have no new incomes from deprived models, but old legacy systems under maintenance. The only metric that I can provide you is that at Prodevelop, our revenues have increased 160 % in a 4 year period mainly due to the adoption of FOSS4G business models. Another contribution to this can be made by Luis W. Sevilla, who (if I'm not wrong) recently convinced his managers to move to open source business models. [1] http://www.wikinomics.com Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es -Mensaje original- De: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] En nombre de Luis W. Sevilla Enviado el: viernes, 18 de diciembre de 2009 13:36 Para: OSGeo Discussions Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models Hi As I have some perspective about gvSIG (I was directly involved last 6 years), I may suggest you to contact directly with people in charge of the project both in main founder and two main contractors: CIT (Generalitat Valenciana): Martín García or Gabriel Carrión IVER: Pepe Vidal or Alvaro Anguix Prodevelop: Miguel Montesinos. This may be the best path for starting, as far as I know. Greetings Luis P.S. If you need some of the email addresses, please write to me by private email. Rafal Wawer wrote: Dear Daniele, No need to be sorry. The hasty was with the (-; (-: Anyway - please consider reformulating the sentence. I will suggest contacting someone from gvSIG (http://www.gvsig.org/web/) and ask for help - I am sure gvSIG wil be happy to cooperate. I am looking forward to the final document. (-: Cheers: Raf Dr. Rafal Wawer K.U.Leuven RD Division SADL (Spatial Application Division) Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224 BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee Belgium tel. 0032 16 329731 *From:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *daniele.ocu ocu *Sent:* 15 December 2009 18:07 *To:* discuss@lists.osgeo.org *Subject:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models Dear Rafal, Thank you very much for your considerations. I am also very thankful for the suggestions. I am sorry if the statements in the report appeared to be hasty but I totally agree with you, the research is only in the beginning and I will go on increasing the contact with the companies and lists you suggested. Daniele -- Researcher @ Osaka City University Graduate School for Creative Cities http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/gistrends My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there. - Charles F. Kettering ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
[OSGeo-Discuss] Question about FOSS4G Business Models
Dear Dr. Rafal, Thank you very much for your comments on my questions about FOSS4G Business models. While I research more about gvSIG to reformulate that part on the report, I have deleted the comment that was initially made. Kind regards, Daniele - Researcher @ Osaka City University Graduate School for Creative Cities http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/gistrends My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there. — Charles F. Kettering ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout at FOSS4G 2010?
Delegates who voted for the FOSS4G 2009 presentations ranked the OSGeo comparison projects very highly, which is something I suggest hopeful FOSS4G 2010 presenters take note of, because competition for speaking slots will be fierce. At FOSS4G 2009, 183 quality presentations were submitted, and there was only 85 speaking slots. In 2010 it is likely to be much harder, as there is expected to be 2 to 3 times more delegates and many more hopeful presenters. In 2009 the community ranked potential presentations, and some of the highest ranked presentations targeted the comparison of popular packages. Unfortunately, there were only a few of these types of presentations. The presentations were: * Ranked 2: The WMS Performance Shootout * Ranked 8: PostGIS and Oracle Spatial * Ranked 9: There is no alternative to Openlayers...? (discussing OpenLayers vs other AJAX clients) The moral to the story is that delegates want to see how different projects compare, and to date we have had a shortage of such presentations (partly because they are a lot of work to set up). However, I strongly suggest that projects start teaming together to put together such presentations for 2010. In particular, I'd love to see comparisons between: * Geospatial Desktop applications * Geospatial Browser based applications * Geospatial Servers (WMS, WFS, Tiled Services at the very least) The comparisons could cover some or all of: * performance * robustness * features * ease of setup or use The tests should not be restricted to Open Source, but be open to proprietary vendors too. (ESRI and ERDAS were invited to participate in the 2009 WMS shootout, and it seems likely they will participate in 2010). So who wants to participate? -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
