[OSGeo-Discuss] 2010 Summer of Code
Just wanted to give a heads up and get people thinking and talking, Org applications will be due March 8-12, 2010 http://socghop.appspot.com/ Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
i still have a gap in my mind about how to make a program for both :0 i will play around with both first, and will reply shortly F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Stefan Steiniger wrote: > Hei Frans, > > could you outline in more detail what you are aiming to do? > I.e. what the students (after training) and the software (to be programmed) > should be able to do? > If it is about web mapping then you may consider a whole different range of > FOSS4GIS. > > stefan > > Frans Thamura wrote: >> >> thx for the nice reply . >> >> >> i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and >> they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program >> from a division to create map become a services entity -> >> www.bakosutranal.go.id >> >> i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success >> create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get >> schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and >> several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they >> families never visit Jakarta).. >> >> my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. >> >> Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? >> is that right? >> >> i am still working for both to find the best one >> >> >> hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad >> education program in this country, so may be our student different >> with people outside this country >> >> F >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake wrote: >>> >>> Frans, >>> >>> I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my >>> own experience. >>> >>> Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and >>> Geotools: >>> >>> Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from >>> just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all >>> over the place. >>> >>> This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for >>> developers. >>> >>> I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well >>> documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more >>> complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its >>> efforts to please such a diverse group. >>> >>> I have contributed a single "unsupported" module to Geotools. This >>> process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers >>> in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my >>> very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into >>> a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write >>> code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different >>> type of thinking to do that. >>> >>> The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing >>> list. >>> >>> Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the >>> Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. >>> >>> I hope that helps. >>> >>> Landon >>> Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 >>> Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org >>> [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura >>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM >>> To: OSGeo Discussions >>> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API >>> >>> hi all >>> >>> anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API >>> >>> thx >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Frans Thamura >>> Meruvian. >>> Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource >>> >>> Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit >>> bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari >>> Gunadarma >>> >>> Mobile: +6287885901958 >>> Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info >>> >>> We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing >>> fast and reliable. >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> Warning: >>> Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against >>> defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not >>> the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>> distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you >>> have received this information in error, please notify the sender >>> immediately. >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
Hei Frans, could you outline in more detail what you are aiming to do? I.e. what the students (after training) and the software (to be programmed) should be able to do? If it is about web mapping then you may consider a whole different range of FOSS4GIS. stefan Frans Thamura wrote: thx for the nice reply . i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program from a division to create map become a services entity -> www.bakosutranal.go.id i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they families never visit Jakarta).. my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? is that right? i am still working for both to find the best one hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad education program in this country, so may be our student different with people outside this country F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake wrote: Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single "unsupported" module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
thx for the nice reply . i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program from a division to create map become a services entity -> www.bakosutranal.go.id i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they families never visit Jakarta).. my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? is that right? i am still working for both to find the best one hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad education program in this country, so may be our student different with people outside this country F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake wrote: > Frans, > > I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my > own experience. > > Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and > Geotools: > > Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from > just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all > over the place. > > This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for > developers. > > I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well > documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more > complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its > efforts to please such a diverse group. > > I have contributed a single "unsupported" module to Geotools. This > process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers > in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my > very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into > a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write > code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different > type of thinking to do that. > > The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing > list. > > Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the > Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. > > I hope that helps. > > Landon > Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 > Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 > > > -Original Message- > From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org > [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM > To: OSGeo Discussions > Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API > > hi all > > anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API > > thx > > > -- > Frans Thamura > Meruvian. > Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource > > Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit > bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari > Gunadarma > > Mobile: +6287885901958 > Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info > > We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing > fast and reliable. > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > Warning: > Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects > including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo maintained ArcSDE (EDN ?) instance
Check with your ESRI sales rep. It's fairly easy to get 30-90 day demo copies of their software. This also presupposes that a test instance of your flavor of SQL can be installed somewhere for ArcSDE to sit on top of along with the necessary hardware. Tom -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Yves Moisan Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:35 PM To: discuss Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo maintained ArcSDE (EDN ?) instance Hi All, I know the subject line doesn't exactly sound like an appropriate topic to discuss on the OSGeo list, but I'd like to make a suggestion to see if there is any traction to it or not. I -- and I'm sure quite a few FOSS4G users on this list -- sometimes have to deploy FOSS4G solutions on corporate/government organization setups that are geared with ArcSDE, for better or for worse. Lately, I've been fighting with MS4W to get it to connect to an ArcSDE server that we set up on our intranet (9.3.1 with postgresql, no postgis is the way it was installed). The intranet SDE was set up as a test server, because we can't access the customer's SDE. So why would I want a public facing OSGeo managed SDE instance if I can set my own ? First, looking at the error logs I'm not sure the installation went well. I'd like to debug being sure that the SDE server is functional. Plus, if I want an independent contractor to work on my problem, I can't offer a test instance because it's on our intranet. I realize most of the people that have customers using ArcSDE will test on the customer's ArcSDE service so there might not be a need for a test instance generally speaking. Am I the only one with that (temporary) need of testing a FOSS4G setup on an ArcSDE server ? Would it make sense to have test data (e.g. like in MS4W) set up on a shared test ArcSDE ? Cheers, Yves ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo maintained ArcSDE (EDN ?) instance
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 04:20:18PM -0500, Yves Moisan wrote: > > > > > I think that the costs to doing this would likely be prohibitive, right? > > I didn't know it was so costly. The minimum subscription option (EDN > license) is $1500 per year but that comes with SDE (as ArcGIS Server I > believe) : http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/edn/pricing.html. I > wouldn't want OSGeo to support that and there's probably no hope of > getting a freebie from ESRI. I didn't think you could put a publicly usable SDE on the web with EDN; "Use the type and number of copies of Software, Data, and Documentation and access Web Services (i) for which the applicable license fees have been paid, (ii) for Licensee's own internal use, and (iii) in accordance with Exhibit 1 and the licensed configuration on file as authorized by ESRI or its authorized distributor." the 'internal' there seems like setting it up on the web would be problematic. And 4.2.a: "Except as provided herein, Licensee shall not sell, rent, lease, sublicense, lend, assign, or time-share Software, Data, Web Services, or Documentation" So, I think ESRI would rather not do this, based on their license seeming to explicitly prevent it. -- Chris > > The software requires a license, and I expect ESRI wouldn't want to > > encourage use like this? > > > > > (not to mention the idea of SAC being responsible for maintaining an > > ArcSDE instance seems costly for no tangible corresponding benefit to > > OSGeo.) > > Thanx for your comments. > > Yves > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo maintained ArcSDE (EDN ?) instance
> > I think that the costs to doing this would likely be prohibitive, right? I didn't know it was so costly. The minimum subscription option (EDN license) is $1500 per year but that comes with SDE (as ArcGIS Server I believe) : http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/edn/pricing.html. I wouldn't want OSGeo to support that and there's probably no hope of getting a freebie from ESRI. > The software requires a license, and I expect ESRI wouldn't want to > encourage use like this? > > (not to mention the idea of SAC being responsible for maintaining an > ArcSDE instance seems costly for no tangible corresponding benefit to > OSGeo.) Thanx for your comments. Yves ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo maintained ArcSDE (EDN ?) instance
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:35:16PM -0500, Yves Moisan wrote: > Hi All, > > I know the subject line doesn't exactly sound like an appropriate topic > to discuss on the OSGeo list, but I'd like to make a suggestion to see > if there is any traction to it or not. I -- and I'm sure quite a few > FOSS4G users on this list -- sometimes have to deploy FOSS4G solutions > on corporate/government organization setups that are geared with ArcSDE, > for better or for worse. > > Lately, I've been fighting with MS4W to get it to connect to an ArcSDE > server that we set up on our intranet (9.3.1 with postgresql, no postgis > is the way it was installed). The intranet SDE was set up as a test > server, because we can't access the customer's SDE. So why would I want > a public facing OSGeo managed SDE instance if I can set my own ? First, > looking at the error logs I'm not sure the installation went well. I'd > like to debug being sure that the SDE server is functional. Plus, if I > want an independent contractor to work on my problem, I can't offer a > test instance because it's on our intranet. > > I realize most of the people that have customers using ArcSDE will test > on the customer's ArcSDE service so there might not be a need for a test > instance generally speaking. Am I the only one with that (temporary) > need of testing a FOSS4G setup on an ArcSDE server ? Would it make > sense to have test data (e.g. like in MS4W) set up on a shared test > ArcSDE ? I think that the costs to doing this would likely be prohibitive, right? The software requires a license, and I expect ESRI wouldn't want to encourage use like this? (not to mention the idea of SAC being responsible for maintaining an ArcSDE instance seems costly for no tangible corresponding benefit to OSGeo.) Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo maintained ArcSDE (EDN ?) instance
Hi All, I know the subject line doesn't exactly sound like an appropriate topic to discuss on the OSGeo list, but I'd like to make a suggestion to see if there is any traction to it or not. I -- and I'm sure quite a few FOSS4G users on this list -- sometimes have to deploy FOSS4G solutions on corporate/government organization setups that are geared with ArcSDE, for better or for worse. Lately, I've been fighting with MS4W to get it to connect to an ArcSDE server that we set up on our intranet (9.3.1 with postgresql, no postgis is the way it was installed). The intranet SDE was set up as a test server, because we can't access the customer's SDE. So why would I want a public facing OSGeo managed SDE instance if I can set my own ? First, looking at the error logs I'm not sure the installation went well. I'd like to debug being sure that the SDE server is functional. Plus, if I want an independent contractor to work on my problem, I can't offer a test instance because it's on our intranet. I realize most of the people that have customers using ArcSDE will test on the customer's ArcSDE service so there might not be a need for a test instance generally speaking. Am I the only one with that (temporary) need of testing a FOSS4G setup on an ArcSDE server ? Would it make sense to have test data (e.g. like in MS4W) set up on a shared test ArcSDE ? Cheers, Yves ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single "unsupported" module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: > hi all > > anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API > Deegree is a WMS/WFS/WCS(?) server and GeoTools is a Java library for building geospatial apps. Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
