Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Help authoring tools
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 01/06/10 19:00, Daniel Ames escribió: Do any of you have a preferred open source help authoring tool? We're looking for something to document our projects on web pages - something better than wiki - and also to download and install with software. Must be cross platform, etc. I'd like to use whatever others are using in the OSGeo community for consistency... - Dan At gvSIG project we use Plone CMS and restructured text markup at gvsig.org I agree with others that sphinx is a nice environment to build but well, we use our Plone instance for more things than documenting: we have a contrib section[1], a huge group of people translating not only the website (manuals, courses, etc) but also the gvSIG GUI (Desktop and Mobile) using a new plone plugin we promoted[2], working groups management, our events[3], etc. etc. rst is a nice markup and I use it everyday with gnome text editor (gedit). There are some plugins to help editing rst, do fast previews, etc. Anyway I would recommend also to follow the other people recommendation about using sphinx, our plone instance requires to have a very skilled people and sphinx is more easy to deploy and maintain. Cheers [1] https://gvsig.org/plugins/downloads [2] http://forge.osor.eu/projects/gvsig-i18n/ [3] https://gvsig.org/web/home/community/events - -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://jorgesanz.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMBgWbAAoJEAOYD75lvHdBFGEIAI74vFA+dqd72GeA6+r8uKuT CXRPOklFQTy6Wn/KsR6kNuWILbm1K7hzKiV4giEcyrahZZKLElPqq47DF6/uo0rS uL4blK8fU7S13ak5anGtCytTYefgHth9TQMYomzp59rEmbmT7d4CXbi86PWKxpRI kkvYjJwgRDo3stEMcTAB1Dq2i8iFQswg4i5FoT4su27mPv+zNKvxMNzSNFXBBLeg JGZqZosRlILFse0Rshr8eMX9OsdwXHn6NXqbzBFzue3ClNQ6C3gH6rjD9XKF0hFD 6+N+yLwGJZmwZMjFWBy13SQ9lCQRNbid82DHUWhrydSOLSkNhSP45UextGgAnGM= =AwhV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website
On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva georger.si...@gmail.com wrote: The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new QA websites in the molds of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created - containing aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map design, geography, etc). Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the proposal. Thanks -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net Hi ! I just want to add something : if you have some time after subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic and off-topic questions. I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^ Greetings, Agemen. -- Les objets quantiques sont complètement dingues, mais au moins ils le sont tous de la même façon. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website
Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information. George On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno a9e...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva georger.si...@gmail.com wrote: The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new QA websites in the molds of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created - containing aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map design, geography, etc). Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the proposal. Thanks -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net Hi ! I just want to add something : if you have some time after subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic and off-topic questions. I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^ Greetings, Agemen. -- Les objets quantiques sont complètement dingues, mais au moins ils le sont tous de la même façon. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Help authoring tools
For docbook WYSIWYG editing, I highly recommend the free version of XmlEditor from http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/ It makes docbook almost as easy to edit as a word document, with the advantage of having structured docbook as a result. However, much as I love docbook as a format, it has limited market share and hence authors are less likely to want to write documents using it. Consequently I would advise against using docbook. On 02/06/10 05:28, Paul Ramsey wrote: PostGIS is docbook, a decision from Way Back. Docbook has served us well, and in particular has provided some unexpected benefits, in that the detailed markup have allowed documentation-driven test frameworks to be built (we can actually automatically test every documented function). That said, if I were making the decision again today I'd use RST and Sphinx, for the attractiveness of output and the human-readability of the documentation source. It's easier to update the documentation at source when you can easily visually scan it. I found I couldn't write large chunks of docbook without using a WYSIWYG editor like (now defunct) XMetaL. P. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Howard Butlerhobu@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Stefan Steiniger wrote: On 06/01/2010 10:00 AM, Daniel Ames wrote: Do any of you have a preferred open source help authoring tool? We're looking for something to document our projects on web pages - something better than wiki - and also to download and install with software. Must be cross platform, etc. I'd like to use whatever others are using in the OSGeo community for consistency... - Dan Daniel, MapServer, GeoTools, OpenLayers, GeoServer, Shapely, libLAS, and GeoDjango all use Sphinxhttp://sphinx.pocoo.org/. In my opinion, Sphinx's great advantages in order of importance are: - text-like markup (docbook is too much burden on documentation writers). Restructured text is not too difficult to learn, but I wish the world would agree on a text-like markup (markdown, restructured text, wikitext, etc) - variety of output. Besides html, you can do ePub, PDF (multiple ways -- via latex or stand alone), windows compiled help, qthelp, man - pretty output - simple installation and management I know there are some sphinx skeptics from the MapServer project on this list who might chime up one way or another about its level of success within the MapServer project, but I think its implementation has help our project immensely. GDAL is still using Doxygen for its documentation generation. Howard___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website
I am a user at stackoverflow too. And it is my personal opinion that I am not interested in separating GIS from the rest of the topics on their site, I have recieved great result asking programming questions, postgis/postgres related questions and in return I often answer GIS related questions. It is especially the fact that everything is in a single place that makes me a fan of stackoverflow. The stackoverflow search options are excelent. Thanks to tags for gis, postgis, openlayers and others; finding questions or answers in my fields of interest is easy. It would in my opinion, be better to move us GIS folks into the crowd of regular programmers and IT specialists. We might learn from them and they from us. Integrate, don't seperate is my personal advice. Please don't feel offended, it is just the way I look at this. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden George Silva wrote: Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information. George On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno a9e...@gmail.com mailto:a9e...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva georger.si...@gmail.com mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com wrote: The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new QA websites in the molds of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created - containing aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map design, geography, etc). Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the proposal. Thanks -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net Hi ! I just want to add something : if you have some time after subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic and off-topic questions. I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^ Greetings, Agemen. -- Les objets quantiques sont complètement dingues, mais au moins ils le sont tous de la même façon. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website
Hello Milo, I'm not offended in any way. My experience with SO is that there are way too few questions related to GIS in that website. Questions about projections, webmapping, gis programming are perhaps way too specific for the use of SO as a website to the GIS community. If you check that website you will be able to see what kind of question we are planning to have and vote them as on-topic or off-topic. But thank you for your opinion :P. George On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM, miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I am a user at stackoverflow too. And it is my personal opinion that I am not interested in separating GIS from the rest of the topics on their site, I have recieved great result asking programming questions, postgis/postgres related questions and in return I often answer GIS related questions. It is especially the fact that everything is in a single place that makes me a fan of stackoverflow. The stackoverflow search options are excelent. Thanks to tags for gis, postgis, openlayers and others; finding questions or answers in my fields of interest is easy. It would in my opinion, be better to move us GIS folks into the crowd of regular programmers and IT specialists. We might learn from them and they from us. Integrate, don't seperate is my personal advice. Please don't feel offended, it is just the way I look at this. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden George Silva wrote: Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information. George On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno a9e...@gmail.commailto: a9e...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva georger.si...@gmail.com mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com wrote: The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new QA websites in the molds of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created - containing aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map design, geography, etc). Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the proposal. Thanks -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net Hi ! I just want to add something : if you have some time after subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic and off-topic questions. I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^ Greetings, Agemen. -- Les objets quantiques sont complètement dingues, mais au moins ils le sont tous de la même façon. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Hi Miguel, I like very much Enebro-2.0 because it work with data base SQLite. Enebro have too EnebroPC, a desktop interface to convert formats and migrate data form PC to PDA and viceversa It's only available for windows and windows mobile. http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/repositorio/usuario/listado/fichacompleta.jsf?idProyecto=490 Regards, Valenty On 2 June 2010 08:05, Miguel Montesinos mmontesi...@prodevelop.es wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website
Hi ! Moreover, I think it will be easier, for people who are involved in developing for GIS, it will be easier to contribute to a dedicated QA site than on stack overflow.For developers who wants to concentrate on their topic, such a site will be less noisy. But it's only my feeling, too ;-) And your point of view was really interesting. Furthermore, I think that, if we assume that this GIS dedicated site will live, we will have to be aware of our neighbours. For some questions, Stack Overflow or Server Fault will certainly be more suitable. But it's only conjecture for now. We must complete phase one before anything else. Still miss people and off-topic questions ;-) Greetings, Agemen. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin and will try to get it running on meego. If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your feature list, let me know. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website
Hello George, I completely agree that there aren't a lot of questions that are GIS related on SO, but most come from people not familiar with GIS at all entering either from a developer (google maps api, openlayers) or a dba perspective. And these roles are interesting; Often they are the guys that are asked by management to put a map in their app and often they strand on geometry or projection related topics. I believe that is where we fit in. We help them out, point them to the fact that there ARE people specialized in GI and maybe one thing will lead to another: The managers grow in understanding that Geo IT is a profession too... Especially now, with the crisis, IT managers are looking at programmers being able to work in the whole spectrum of options. I believe it is our task to show them that using specialists might speed up development. That is why I always advice customers to hire me for the map and the geodata, and designers for the website look and feel. I cannot (and will not) design websites, and a designer shouldn't try to master maps, he/she should master design! GIS related topics pop up more and more thanks to openlayers and google maps. And it offers opportunities. SO is an environment to spot these opportunities whereas a GIS specific SO would lead to segregation, keeping us away from the rest of the world. I would strongly opt to put effort in gettting GIS related topics on the map on SO instead of copying SO for a limited audience. It would surely show our presence to the people out there. George Silva wrote: Hello Milo, I'm not offended in any way. My experience with SO is that there are way too few questions related to GIS in that website. Questions about projections, webmapping, gis programming are perhaps way too specific for the use of SO as a website to the GIS community. If you check that website you will be able to see what kind of question we are planning to have and vote them as on-topic or off-topic. But thank you for your opinion :P. George On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM, miblon mob...@dogodigi.net mailto:mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I am a user at stackoverflow too. And it is my personal opinion that I am not interested in separating GIS from the rest of the topics on their site, I have recieved great result asking programming questions, postgis/postgres related questions and in return I often answer GIS related questions. It is especially the fact that everything is in a single place that makes me a fan of stackoverflow. The stackoverflow search options are excelent. Thanks to tags for gis, postgis, openlayers and others; finding questions or answers in my fields of interest is easy. It would in my opinion, be better to move us GIS folks into the crowd of regular programmers and IT specialists. We might learn from them and they from us. Integrate, don't seperate is my personal advice. Please don't feel offended, it is just the way I look at this. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden George Silva wrote: Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information. George On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno a9e...@gmail.com mailto:a9e...@gmail.com mailto:a9e...@gmail.com mailto:a9e...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva georger.si...@gmail.com mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com wrote: The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new QA websites in the molds of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created - containing aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map design, geography, etc). Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the proposal. Thanks -- George R. C. Silva Desenvolvimento em GIS http://blog.geoprocessamento.net Hi ! I just want to add something : if you have some time after subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic and off-topic questions. I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Miguel, I'm excited to hear your presentation was selected. I think there is a lot of interest in mobile GIS and seeing an overview of technologies will be of great interest to the general community, so I expect you will have a large audience to present to. I saw an interesting presentation from Geoffrey Shea and Professor Jiannong Cao at the FIG conference [1]. They have built a mobile application based upon open source on a Windows Mobile. I understand they have already, or are going to publish their source code as an Open Source project. Geoffrey, Professor Cao, I wonder whether you would be interested in joining Miguel's comparison of GIS Mobile applications? Also, could you please point us to the location of the code for your project. Is it on Google Code or similar? [1] http://www.google.com/search?q=libmobilegis+fig On 02/06/10 22:35, Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Milo, You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for GIS related stuff on the N900. What types of functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? bobb miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin and will try to get it running on meego. If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your feature list, let me know. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Hello Bob! I started out using moblin as my en route OS of choice. On my asus 1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting osm2go up. My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed by nokia. Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-) I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel. Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its OS for kids look has to stay in the box a little while longer. For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution. But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot, the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15 or more anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm Bob Basques wrote: Milo, You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for GIS related stuff on the N900. What types of functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? bobb miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin and will try to get it running on meego. If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your feature list, let me know. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote: Milo, You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for GIS related stuff on the N900. What types of functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small Linux Box. -- Chris, proud owner of an N900 bobb miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin and will try to get it running on meego. If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your feature list, let me know. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Christopher, Understood, I went the Linux route on purpose. Maemo is fine for the time being. Everything I need looks be in there already, the Meego stuff just looked interesting, and the fact that someone else was talking about it made it even more interesting. C:) bobb Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote: Milo, You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for GIS related stuff on the N900. What types of functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small Linux Box. -- Chris, proud owner of an N900 bobb miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin and will try to get it running on meego. If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your feature list, let me know. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications
Milo, You don't need to convince me on the Open side of things, it's why I chose to try out the Nokia. I'm actually going to buy 3 more of them, if all goes as planned, mostly for prototyping and such to build support for follow on work. bobb miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: Hello Bob! I started out using moblin as my en route OS of choice. On my asus 1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting osm2go up. My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed by nokia. Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-) I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel. Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its OS for kids look has to stay in the box a little while longer. For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution. But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot, the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15 or more anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm Bob Basques wrote: Milo, You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for GIS related stuff on the N900. What types of functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? bobb miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote: I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin and will try to get it running on meego. If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your feature list, let me know. Kind regards, Milo van der Linden Miguel Montesinos wrote: Hello to all, I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as perfomance or usability check lists. Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application interested? Regards, - Miguel Montesinos CTO PRODEVELOP, S.L. mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es www.prodevelop.es ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Some Longish-term Assist Needed
Hello all. I'm the lead programmer of a free, Open Source (mostly!) Computer-Aided-Dispatch application - Tickets by name - that's currently GMaps-based, which we're planning to fork to the OSGeo world of OSM/Open Layers. (Other considerations include PHP and MySQL bases as an OS-agnostic web application.) There's information re our application at http://openises.sourceforge.net/tickets01.html and also http://groups.google.com/group/open-source-cad CAD is certainly a mature technology market-wise in that there's no shortage of commercial sources of these applications. But they tend to be expensive, and there's a need given the huge number of local jurisdictions and volunteer teams supporting them. Typical user environments include local emergency management/response offices as well as ham teams playing important roles in supporting local emergency operations, special events, etc,. It's in this last consideration that the need for a 'no-internet' - i.e. local only - capability has surfaced among our users. Which, of course, dictates that we move from GMaps in favor of a completely local server-based operation for tiles as well as all software. Needless to say, other considerations also point in this direction. ^__^ A fair proportion of users to date have very limited experience in the care and feeding of a web server and application, and the availability of the WAMP/LAMP/MAMP stacks has been a god-send in that respect. I'm loathe to add any component that might add to that complexity. Frankly, I don't see a large need for cartography per se, so the use of low-footprint tile-serving PHP element makes sense to me, rather than using any of the array of servers and caching/rendering applications discussed here. It would simply present OSM tiles stored on the user's server. Note that this approach contributes directly to the goal of minimum installation complexity. What we're looking for: We're all volunteers here, and we're looking for more of the same. Specifically, someone who has some hands on skill (or interest in acquiring such) in use of Open Layers (primarily) and OSM secondarily. The work will consist of (first) developing a tool that will allow a user to identify and gather the OSM tile sets specific to his/her geography, and then the script-by-script revision of the existing GMaps functions into their OL counterparts. You'll want pretty good JS chops here. I realize that I haven't gone into this in any depth at all and that there's no shortage of questions right now. But if this piques someone's interest, please contact me offline at shoreas AT gmail DOT com. And thanks for making it down this far! AS ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
