Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Incubator] Defining the Marketing requirements for OSGeo Incubation

[Jody Garnett]

The other side of promotion is helping to attract new developers.

We often focus on marketing the use of open source software; but we
also should promote involvement and contributing to keep projects
healthy.

Jody

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Andreas Hocevar  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> because I was asked about how OSGeo should promote its projects as a 
> follow-up to my self-introduction as a charter member nominee, let me also 
> add my 2¢ here.
>
> I think the important question is: what kind of marketing is required? OSGeo 
> does not sell anything, but the organizations involved in the OSGeo projects 
> do. And the organizations, for obvious reasons, have an incentive to do 
> marketing for the solutions they provide, but not necessarily for the 
> underlying software stack.
>
> There is, however, a common benefit in having a neutral entity provide 
> marketing by means of something like an "OSGeo Certified" program. OSGeo has 
> become a well known brand, and could learn from marketing initiatives like 
> organic food certification programs. A glossy brochure explaining the 
> criteria for certification, along with standardized fact sheets (how many 
> organizations involved, how many installations etc.) and case studies for 
> each project - this is what I meant in my introductory statement.
>
> I don't see myself as a potential OSGeo-Live maintainer or Marketing 
> committee member - I perform best as a software developer, so this is what 
> I'll continue to do. What I want to do is help explain needs and concerns of 
> communities to those at OSGeo who see their role in marketing, from the 
> perspective of a developer with conference booth savvy.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas.
>
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 14:56 , Daniel Morissette wrote:
>
>> For the record, I agree with the comments made by Arnulf and a few
>> others that encouraging projects to produce this material and keep it up
>> to date is a good thing, but making that an incubation criteria may be
>> pushing it a bit much.
>>
>> I also believe that a Live DVD is a nice thing to have and a great
>> showcase, but I'm not convinced that we should discriminate between
>> OSGeo Live and OSGeo4W, DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS, EL-GIS and other packaging
>> efforts... they all facilitate access to the software for non-technical
>> users in the environment that they are already familiar with, so all
>> projects should be strongly encouraged to participate in all of them as
>> well as in the OSGeo Live DVD. As a bonus, the projects who put energy
>> into DebianGIS/UbuntuGIS are much easier to integrate in OSGeo Live, the
>> reverse is not true.
>>
>> My 0.02$
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>>> Cameron,
>>> thanks for your initiative. Let me add a few notes to reconsider about
>>> *how* we want to go about this.
>>>
>>> Marketing is an OSGeo service for it's projects. Adding the proposed
>>> requirements as criteria to pass Incubation feels a lot more like a
>>> stick than a carrot. What I do like is the aspect of revisiting all
>>> incubated projects once a year -> I proposed this to Incubation twice
>>> but so far it never got anywhere.
>>>
>>> The current proposal is very focused on the needs of OSGeo Live. Don't
>>> get me wrong, I like the OSGeo Live project and have already used it
>>> successfully in workshops and recommend it everywhere. But to me it is
>>> more like another OSGeo project and should not become a cirteria for
>>> incubation. To get my idea just imagine that supporting GDAL/OGR is an
>>> OSGeo incubation criteria. Did the OSGeo Live project ever incubate at
>>> all? Should be easy, maybe you want to apply?
>>>
>>> Respective to what marketing material we need: My personal perception
>>> (which can obviously be wrong) is that DVDs at trade fairs and
>>> conferences get taken away and then never looked at again. The contained
>>> information is as quickly outdated as that on any piece of paper. An
>>> OGSeo folder with summary pages and a short description on paper would
>>> be a great hand-out. It could be a additional benefit to sponsors who
>>> appear in this folder. Sponsors can reuse this material and add their
>>> own portfolio to use in their sales. This is one of the few concrete
>>> wishes of our current sponsors.
>>>
>>> Some of the items you suggest seem to duplicate efforts already in
>>> place. The short intro page to each project is on the OSGeo web site:
>>> http://www.osgeo.org/
>>> The project logos should not be uploaded to yet another disconnected
>>> repository. Marketing might want to scrutinize and consolidate what we
>>> have now.
>>>
>>> One last comment is that I would not support "powerpoint" as a
>>> desireable format. Especially with presentations once stuck on one
>>> office package you will never leave because everything invariably falls
>>> apart. Let us for now stick with whatever projets are used to and wait a
>>> bit more for HTML5.
>>>
>>> To me "nudging" feels a lot more like OSGeo than the threat of "

Re: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

Thanks :)
On Nov 9, 2010 5:16 PM, "Michael P. Gerlek"  wrote:
> [disclaimer: I'm the one who nominated Dan]
>
> Having admired MapWindow from afar from some time, I had the opportunity
to spend a couple days with Dan and his team a few months ago and came away
very impressed. Dan is doing a great job in bringing C#/.NET into the OSGeo
world via the DotSpatial world, what with bringing a whole library into play
and running a conference and yet still pursuing a geo research job.
>
> A vote for Dan is a vote for... oh, gosh, I dunno... It's a vote to add a
Third Way[1] to the C++ -vs- Java intertribal dialogs? Something like that.
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_%28centrism%29
>
> -mpg
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:22 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination
>
> Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open
source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have
heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter
Membership.
>
> (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference
in San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
>
> - Dan
>
> --
> Daniel P. Ames, Ph.D. PE
> Associate Professor, Geosciences
> Idaho State University - Idaho Falls
> amesd...@isu.edu
> geology.isu.edu
> www.mapwindow.org
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Greek Inspire Metadata Editor (gimed)

[Alex Mandel]

I'm more concerned about the lack of direct support for multi-platforms.
Of course that implies that MS does a good job of supporting it's
platform. Noted case, how many years it took Flash to really be usable
without crazy hacks on linux. (OT: Anyone know what's up with Novell
possibly selling itself and what that might mean for the future of Mono?
- ala the current roll over Oracle's plans for previous Sun merchandise)

That said I would love to see some workshops and examples of testing on
Mono implementations on all platforms. While .Net isn't my 1st choice
there is a place for it and a whole lot of people well entrenched in it,
wouldn't hurt to bring them into the Open Source light and realize cross
language implementations of infrastructure are not abnormal.

Thanks,
Alex

On 11/09/2010 04:06 PM, Daniel Ames wrote:
> Coming late to this discussion, I would point out that the FSF article about
> Mono is based entirely on conjecture. Particularly this statement:
> 
> "Microsoft is probably planning to force all free C# implementations
> underground some day using software patents"
> 
> I suspect if the OSGeo world were to base all decisions on the threat of
> potential future patent litigation, we'd pretty much all just have to close
> shop and go fishing or become used car salesmen instead of writing
> software...
> 
> - Dan
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Nikos Alexandris <
> nikos.alexand...@felis.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> Cameron:
>>
 Why was gimed developed rather than extending GeoNetwork?
>>
>> Angelos:
>>
>>> - When developing for HEMCO project, the time frame was very limited and
>>> I estimated that a clean implementation would be faster.
>>> - The project's specifications were also requiring C# because other non
>>> FOSS API's were involved.
>>
>> I (too) was curious about that Angele (talming about C# and Mono). It is
>> not
>> clear to me, as an end-user, if and what dangerous license implications
>> could
>> rise in the future (reading: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono).
>>
>> I hope we will find the time to discuss about this and other issues in the
>> upcoming GeoDataCamp in Athens.
>>
>> Cheers, Nikos
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Michael P. Gerlek]

[disclaimer: I'm the one who nominated Dan]

Having admired MapWindow from afar from some time, I had the opportunity to 
spend a couple days with Dan and his team a few months ago and came away very 
impressed.  Dan is doing a great job in bringing C#/.NET into the OSGeo world 
via the DotSpatial world, what with bringing a whole library into play and 
running a conference and yet still pursuing a geo research job.

A vote for Dan is a vote for...  oh, gosh, I dunno...  It's a vote to add a 
Third Way[1] to the C++ -vs- Java intertribal dialogs?  Something like that.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_%28centrism%29

-mpg

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On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:22 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been 
participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly 
involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded 
sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo pitches 
at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo DotNet 
programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing list, and 
helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called DotSpatial 
(an API that brings together topology, visualization, data access, etc for the 
DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by the way you can find 
it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open source MapWindow 
project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have heard of. I'd be 
happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter Membership.

(P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in San 
Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See 
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)

- Dan

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amesd...@isu.edu
geology.isu.edu
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Greek Inspire Metadata Editor (gimed)

[Daniel Ames]

Coming late to this discussion, I would point out that the FSF article about
Mono is based entirely on conjecture. Particularly this statement:

"Microsoft is probably planning to force all free C# implementations
underground some day using software patents"

I suspect if the OSGeo world were to base all decisions on the threat of
potential future patent litigation, we'd pretty much all just have to close
shop and go fishing or become used car salesmen instead of writing
software...

- Dan


On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Nikos Alexandris <
nikos.alexand...@felis.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:

> Cameron:
>
> > > Why was gimed developed rather than extending GeoNetwork?
>
> Angelos:
>
> > - When developing for HEMCO project, the time frame was very limited and
> > I estimated that a clean implementation would be faster.
> > - The project's specifications were also requiring C# because other non
> > FOSS API's were involved.
>
> I (too) was curious about that Angele (talming about C# and Mono). It is
> not
> clear to me, as an end-user, if and what dangerous license implications
> could
> rise in the future (reading: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono).
>
> I hope we will find the time to discuss about this and other issues in the
> upcoming GeoDataCamp in Athens.
>
> Cheers, Nikos
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

Hey that would be great, let's do it! I'll shoot you a P.M. do discuss
potential details. - Dan

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

> On 11/09/2010 11:22 AM, Daniel Ames wrote:
> > Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've
> been
> > participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am
> regularly
> > involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've
> funded
> > sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
> > pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the
> OSGeo
> > DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
> > list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers
> called
> > DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
> > access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project
> (by
> > the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the
> open
> > source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may
> have
> > heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through
> Charter
> > Membership.
> >
> > (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference
> in
> > San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
> > http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
> >
> > - Dan
> >
>
> Dan,
>
> We've been discussing doing a General OSGeo "West" conference in
> California, what do you think about possible collaboration with the
> California Chapter?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Incubator] Defining the Marketing requirements for OSGeo Incubation

[Andreas Hocevar]

Hi,

because I was asked about how OSGeo should promote its projects as a follow-up 
to my self-introduction as a charter member nominee, let me also add my 2¢ here.

I think the important question is: what kind of marketing is required? OSGeo 
does not sell anything, but the organizations involved in the OSGeo projects 
do. And the organizations, for obvious reasons, have an incentive to do 
marketing for the solutions they provide, but not necessarily for the 
underlying software stack.

There is, however, a common benefit in having a neutral entity provide 
marketing by means of something like an "OSGeo Certified" program. OSGeo has 
become a well known brand, and could learn from marketing initiatives like 
organic food certification programs. A glossy brochure explaining the criteria 
for certification, along with standardized fact sheets (how many organizations 
involved, how many installations etc.) and case studies for each project - this 
is what I meant in my introductory statement.

I don't see myself as a potential OSGeo-Live maintainer or Marketing committee 
member - I perform best as a software developer, so this is what I'll continue 
to do. What I want to do is help explain needs and concerns of communities to 
those at OSGeo who see their role in marketing, from the perspective of a 
developer with conference booth savvy.

Regards,
Andreas.

On Nov 9, 2010, at 14:56 , Daniel Morissette wrote:

> For the record, I agree with the comments made by Arnulf and a few
> others that encouraging projects to produce this material and keep it up
> to date is a good thing, but making that an incubation criteria may be
> pushing it a bit much.
> 
> I also believe that a Live DVD is a nice thing to have and a great
> showcase, but I'm not convinced that we should discriminate between
> OSGeo Live and OSGeo4W, DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS, EL-GIS and other packaging
> efforts... they all facilitate access to the software for non-technical
> users in the environment that they are already familiar with, so all
> projects should be strongly encouraged to participate in all of them as
> well as in the OSGeo Live DVD. As a bonus, the projects who put energy
> into DebianGIS/UbuntuGIS are much easier to integrate in OSGeo Live, the
> reverse is not true.
> 
> My 0.02$
> 
> Daniel
> 
> Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>> Cameron,
>> thanks for your initiative. Let me add a few notes to reconsider about
>> *how* we want to go about this.
>> 
>> Marketing is an OSGeo service for it's projects. Adding the proposed
>> requirements as criteria to pass Incubation feels a lot more like a
>> stick than a carrot. What I do like is the aspect of revisiting all
>> incubated projects once a year -> I proposed this to Incubation twice
>> but so far it never got anywhere.
>> 
>> The current proposal is very focused on the needs of OSGeo Live. Don't
>> get me wrong, I like the OSGeo Live project and have already used it
>> successfully in workshops and recommend it everywhere. But to me it is
>> more like another OSGeo project and should not become a cirteria for
>> incubation. To get my idea just imagine that supporting GDAL/OGR is an
>> OSGeo incubation criteria. Did the OSGeo Live project ever incubate at
>> all? Should be easy, maybe you want to apply?
>> 
>> Respective to what marketing material we need: My personal perception
>> (which can obviously be wrong) is that DVDs at trade fairs and
>> conferences get taken away and then never looked at again. The contained
>> information is as quickly outdated as that on any piece of paper. An
>> OGSeo folder with summary pages and a short description on paper would
>> be a great hand-out. It could be a additional benefit to sponsors who
>> appear in this folder. Sponsors can reuse this material and add their
>> own portfolio to use in their sales. This is one of the few concrete
>> wishes of our current sponsors.
>> 
>> Some of the items you suggest seem to duplicate efforts already in
>> place. The short intro page to each project is on the OSGeo web site:
>> http://www.osgeo.org/
>> The project logos should not be uploaded to yet another disconnected
>> repository. Marketing might want to scrutinize and consolidate what we
>> have now.
>> 
>> One last comment is that I would not support "powerpoint" as a
>> desireable format. Especially with presentations once stuck on one
>> office package you will never leave because everything invariably falls
>> apart. Let us for now stick with whatever projets are used to and wait a
>> bit more for HTML5.
>> 
>> To me "nudging" feels a lot more like OSGeo than the threat of "imposing
>> rules". But this is just my old me...
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Arnulf
>> 
>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Jody,
>>> Why not add your comments by email initially.
>>> I suggest that we discuss this at the next scheduled Marketing Committee
>>> meeting.
>> 
>>> We have just changed the timeslot, Tyler should be able to tell us the
>>> next meeting time. (It doesn't seem to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Greek Inspire Metadata Editor (gimed)

[Nikos Alexandris]

Cameron: 

> > Why was gimed developed rather than extending GeoNetwork?

Angelos:
 
> - When developing for HEMCO project, the time frame was very limited and
> I estimated that a clean implementation would be faster.
> - The project's specifications were also requiring C# because other non
> FOSS API's were involved.

I (too) was curious about that Angele (talming about C# and Mono). It is not 
clear to me, as an end-user, if and what dangerous license implications could 
rise in the future (reading: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono).

I hope we will find the time to discuss about this and other issues in the 
upcoming GeoDataCamp in Athens.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Alex Mandel]

On 11/09/2010 11:22 AM, Daniel Ames wrote:
> Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
> participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
> involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
> sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
> pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
> DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
> list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
> DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
> access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
> the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open
> source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have
> heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter
> Membership.
> 
> (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in
> San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
> http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
> 
> - Dan
> 

Dan,

We've been discussing doing a General OSGeo "West" conference in
California, what do you think about possible collaboration with the
California Chapter?

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[carlos sousa]

Thanks a million Marc!

Glovis is a treasure box ... i'm gonna role up them sleeves to put the
images in my geoserver box.
I'll post the result here!

Thanks

Carlos

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Marc Peterson  wrote:
>> These are generally available but what I would like to get my hands on
>> are the landsat 7 swaths that are also freely available but are very
>> hard to come by in download terms.
>
> My sense is that there are quite a lot of Landsat 7 data available for free 
> download.  Scenes, though, not swaths.
>
> Try these:
> http://www.glcf.umd.edu/
> http://glovis.usgs.gov/
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[Marc Peterson]

> These are generally available but what I would like to get my hands on
> are the landsat 7 swaths that are also freely available but are very
> hard to come by in download terms.

My sense is that there are quite a lot of Landsat 7 data available for free 
download.  Scenes, though, not swaths.

Try these:
http://www.glcf.umd.edu/
http://glovis.usgs.gov/

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Yet another charter member nominee

[karsten vennemann]

Hi there, 
me too I appreciate having being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member ;). 
Ok let's include first something about my background: I've been a long time
GIS user with a background in Geography and Soil Science. I am a german
national currently living in Seattle USA and am operating my small GIS
consulting shop. I came to the open Source Geospatial world and later OSGeo
mostly because I held a position at a non-profit organization in Seattle
that was called CommEn Space. At the time Tim Schaub was a colleague and
spurred my interest in Mapserver and all other things related to OS GIS
...Since then I have been excited about this approach (Open Source) and made
a choice for myself that this a great approach on how to do things including
running a business. It makes it so much easier to indentify myself with my
work and get satisfaction instead of attaching myself to particular brands
and proprietary approaches. Read more of my views here
http://www.terragis.net/about-terra/motivation/ if you are inclined to do so
;)
I am participating in the CUGOS OSGeo chapter and involved with user
training. I have been giving frequent talks about OS at the local
conferences (WAURISA 2007 -20100 and also FOSS4G this year. Because my
background is more of an GIS user rather than of a developer (even though I
write some scripts) my perspective is that of representing the "user" of OS
Geospatial . I am planning to start ( actually I am in then middle of)
starting a new website that allows users to share their (first or second)
experiences of all kinds of OS geospatial software. I would like to enhance
the documentation resources especially for users in the OS GIS world and see
one of the biggest challenges to provide adequate training, support and
recourses such as manuals tutorials. This stems from my personal background
but also the fact that software without many users will not spread around
that much. I have organized several workshops for the CUGOS chapter over the
last two years and I am also active teaching professional classes for web
GIS and desktop GIS. Most recently my (one person) company became a
collaborator of the gvSIG association
http://www.gvsig.com/news/the-international-network-of-the-gvsig-association
-has-been-extended-usa-japan-and-germany.

I would be excited and honored to get more involved with OSGeo through
Charter Membership.

Cheers
Karsten Vennemann

Terra GIS LTD
Seattle, WA  98112
USA 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[carlos sousa]

Hello again,

Don't forget that i'm looking at this from the educational point of view.
In the general royalty department, lets not forget the open source
premises, that i'm gonna do a job for a determine customer, and the
data i'm gonna generate will be, in the ultimate instance be shown, on
a internet hooked computer, using the google/whatever api to be
viewed.
So where does the contractual impossibility of storing google's maps
weight in this case, it's really blurred for me.

Sorry for the dashing  comments

Thanks,

Carlos

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:21 PM, carlos sousa  wrote:
> Hello again, sharing ideas really can be fun sometimes.
>
> The general data I come across, every once in a while is like this:
>
> ftp://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/bluemarble/bmng/bmng_arcview/
>
> and here too:
>
> ftp://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/bluemarble/bmng/topography/
>
> or even these:
>
> http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/global/relief/ETOPO1/data/ice_surface/cell_registered/georeferenced_tiff/
>
> These are generally available but what I would like to get my hands on
> are the landsat 7 swaths that are also freely available but are very
> hard to come by in download terms.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Carlos
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:36 PM, P Kishor  wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Arnie Shore  wrote:
>>> A semi-minor point, re " ... Google prohibits offline caching of their data.
>>> ... ":  Not axactly.  The major TOU restriction is that their images may be
>>> used *only* with their API.
>>
>> Possibly. I haven't studied their terms in detail because I haven't
>> run into a situation where I would violate them. But, yes, one should
>> do their own due diligence on what is allowed and what is not.
>>
>> Anyway, the original thread is on how to make maps and data available
>> without Internet access. I hope the OP now has enough information to
>> know this is possible and relatively not-that-difficult.
>>
>>>
>>> OpenLayers accommodates that restriction by wrapping OL around that API
>>> code.
>>>
>>> AS
>>>
>>>
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>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

(correction: we gave workshops at Lausanne and did booths and workshops at
Sydney and South Africa ;) )

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Daniel Ames  wrote:

> Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
> participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
> involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
> sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
> pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
> DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
> list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
> DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
> access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
> the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the
> open source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may
> have heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through
> Charter Membership.
>
> (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in
> San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
> http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
>
> - Dan
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open
source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have
heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter
Membership.

(P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in
San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[carlos sousa]

Hello again, sharing ideas really can be fun sometimes.

The general data I come across, every once in a while is like this:

ftp://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/bluemarble/bmng/bmng_arcview/

and here too:

ftp://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/bluemarble/bmng/topography/

or even these:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/global/relief/ETOPO1/data/ice_surface/cell_registered/georeferenced_tiff/

These are generally available but what I would like to get my hands on
are the landsat 7 swaths that are also freely available but are very
hard to come by in download terms.

Thanks again

Carlos

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:36 PM, P Kishor  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Arnie Shore  wrote:
>> A semi-minor point, re " ... Google prohibits offline caching of their data.
>> ... ":  Not axactly.  The major TOU restriction is that their images may be
>> used *only* with their API.
>
> Possibly. I haven't studied their terms in detail because I haven't
> run into a situation where I would violate them. But, yes, one should
> do their own due diligence on what is allowed and what is not.
>
> Anyway, the original thread is on how to make maps and data available
> without Internet access. I hope the OP now has enough information to
> know this is possible and relatively not-that-difficult.
>
>>
>> OpenLayers accommodates that restriction by wrapping OL around that API
>> code.
>>
>> AS
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[Peter Batty]

The terms of service prohibit offline caching of Google Maps tiles. This is
one major advantage of OpenStreetMap, which does permit you to do this.

The terms are at http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html

Relevant items are:

You must not ...


   10.3 pre-fetch, cache, or store any Content, except that you may store
   limited amounts of Content for the purpose of improving the performance of
   your Maps API Implementation if you do so temporarily, securely, and in a
   manner that does not permit use of the Content outside of the Service;

   10.6 use the Service in a manner that gives you or any other person
   access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but not
   limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and visible
   map data;


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> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Arnie Shore  wrote:
> > A semi-minor point, re " ... Google prohibits offline caching of their
> data.
> > ... ":  Not axactly.  The major TOU restriction is that their images may
> be
> > used *only* with their API.
>
> Possibly. I haven't studied their terms in detail because I haven't
> run into a situation where I would violate them. But, yes, one should
> do their own due diligence on what is allowed and what is not.
>
> Anyway, the original thread is on how to make maps and data available
> without Internet access. I hope the OP now has enough information to
> know this is possible and relatively not-that-difficult.
>
> >
> > OpenLayers accommodates that restriction by wrapping OL around that API
> > code.
> >
> > AS
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[P Kishor]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Arnie Shore  wrote:
> A semi-minor point, re " ... Google prohibits offline caching of their data.
> ... ":  Not axactly.  The major TOU restriction is that their images may be
> used *only* with their API.

Possibly. I haven't studied their terms in detail because I haven't
run into a situation where I would violate them. But, yes, one should
do their own due diligence on what is allowed and what is not.

Anyway, the original thread is on how to make maps and data available
without Internet access. I hope the OP now has enough information to
know this is possible and relatively not-that-difficult.

>
> OpenLayers accommodates that restriction by wrapping OL around that API
> code.
>
> AS
>
>
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[Arnie Shore]

A semi-minor point, re " ... Google prohibits offline caching of their data.
... ":  Not axactly.  The major TOU restriction is that their images may be
used *only* with their API.

OpenLayers accommodates that restriction by wrapping OL around that API
code.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[P Kishor]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:33 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
> Hello Ian and Kishor,
>
> It's strange you refer to google's TOS, which kinda reminds me of
> microsofts agreements on the stickers of original software, you have
> to buy but is never yours.


Nothing strange about it. It has always been that way. Its just that
there is more awareness of these issues. Almost all copyrightable
material is never really yours, and when it is, there are limitations
on what you can do with it. Even in the physical realm (atoms not
bits) you can resell a book or a CD that you purchased, but you can't
make a 1000 copies of it and resell all of those.

In the digital realm (bits not atoms), you almost always pay for a
license to use the "thing" not to own it.

On top of that, stuff like EULA and TOS are contracts between you and
the vendor/provider that you become party to soon as you click on that
button or check that checkbox ("I didn't read the long boring stuff"
is not a good defense).


> To run around with the data in your cache isn't illegal? Anyways, I
> was wondering about other kinds of data freely available on the net,
> like yahoo's, usgs, nasa, etc.

Even if stuff is "freely available on the net" doesn't mean that it is
free. There are limits to what you can do with it, and those limits
are spelled out in the terms of service (or equivalent agreement).

I am pretty sure that Google prohibits offline caching of their data.

> Aerial photographs that lie around the net are scarce but theres a
> large repository of ground based and altitude information that I don't
> know how to use and Kishor's solution is really cool but out of the
> reach of the non scientific realm, and for you average geek.

It is not that difficult actually. Should you decide to do it, there
is enough help available from the user community. That is the very
nature of open source. You have to roll your sleeves and do some
lifting, sometimes heavy, sometimes light, but always have to do some
lifting.


> Regarding geoserver, it's that easy to roll out tiff's at it because I
> have several free tif's and other generated from gdal's merge feature
> that he simply refuses to serve as wms.
> By the way I do use opengeo's and gisvm's solution for single laptop
> access to wms served data.

There you go. You already have a solution. Just learn more about it
and use it to the fullest.


> Another problem is that there are alot of images that aren't georenferenced.

Yes, that is another problem.

>
> Thanks for sharing your ideas.
>
> Carlos
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Ian Turton  wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
>>> Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
>>> everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
>>> possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
>>> there are in the repository.
>>>
>>
>> Install GeoServer and GWC and add all your data as usual and all will be 
>> fine.
>>
>> A more complex approach is to install GeoServer 2.1 and cascade the
>> WMS you usually use through GWC and make sure to visit all the main
>> areas of interest you might want to see later before you leave the
>> network and every thing will be in the cache. This might even work
>> with a slow link back to base to fill in any new areas you visit.
>>
>> Ian
>>
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[carlos sousa]

Hello Ian and Kishor,

It's strange you refer to google's TOS, which kinda reminds me of
microsofts agreements on the stickers of original software, you have
to buy but is never yours.
To run around with the data in your cache isn't illegal? Anyways, I
was wondering about other kinds of data freely available on the net,
like yahoo's, usgs, nasa, etc.
Aerial photographs that lie around the net are scarce but theres a
large repository of ground based and altitude information that I don't
know how to use and Kishor's solution is really cool but out of the
reach of the non scientific realm, and for you average geek.
Regarding geoserver, it's that easy to roll out tiff's at it because I
have several free tif's and other generated from gdal's merge feature
that he simply refuses to serve as wms.
By the way I do use opengeo's and gisvm's solution for single laptop
access to wms served data.
Another problem is that there are alot of images that aren't georenferenced.

Thanks for sharing your ideas.

Carlos

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Ian Turton  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
>> Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
>> everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
>> possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
>> there are in the repository.
>>
>
> Install GeoServer and GWC and add all your data as usual and all will be fine.
>
> A more complex approach is to install GeoServer 2.1 and cascade the
> WMS you usually use through GWC and make sure to visit all the main
> areas of interest you might want to see later before you leave the
> network and every thing will be in the cache. This might even work
> with a slow link back to base to fill in any new areas you visit.
>
> Ian
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[Ian Turton]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
> Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
> everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
> possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
> there are in the repository.
>

Install GeoServer and GWC and add all your data as usual and all will be fine.

A more complex approach is to install GeoServer 2.1 and cascade the
WMS you usually use through GWC and make sure to visit all the main
areas of interest you might want to see later before you leave the
network and every thing will be in the cache. This might even work
with a slow link back to base to fill in any new areas you visit.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[P Kishor]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Arnie Shore  wrote:
> Yes that, and how you obtain the GMaps terrain without the internet.


I don't. It is impossible to do that. You can't cache those as that
would violate Google TOS even if you figured out how to do that.

I just live without it. Gmaps data are *not* free (as in speech), so I
don't have the right to access them my way.

In any case, my data are very usable even without Gmaps baselayer.


> Thanks,
>
> AS
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
>>
>> Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
>> everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
>> possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
>> there are in the repository.
>>
>> Thanks
>
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[P Kishor]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
> Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
> everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
> possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
> there are in the repository.


I thought I listed all the software I use.

All my data are in either PostGIS/PostGres, or as files. I use
shapefiles, geotiffs, regular images (gifs and pngs). I also have data
in raw binary format that I manipulate with PDL (Perl Data Language, a
scientific programming extension to Perl, kinda like IDL but free and
open source). PDL allows me to query the raw binary data and also
NetCDF data, and convert to images on the fly.

The data served by a combination of Apache/MapServer.

The browse client is coded in Perl (Perl Dancer and DBI), JavaScript
(jQuery and OpenLayers) and CSS.

I also use QGIS or uDig. The latter is more attractive, the former is
more capable.

Everything I need to use my data is on my laptop.

I can disconnect Ethernet, turn off Airport, and happily see all my data.


>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM, P Kishor  wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:58 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
>>> Hello OSGEO enthusiasts
>>>
>>> I would like to create, starting from the point where hard disk space
>>> is not a problem, a repository of raster maps that can be accessible
>>> offline, when for exemple, we have to go to the field and do
>>> georeference tagging and mapping.
>>> When in the field, there is no broadband internet or it's limited to
>>> 2.5G communication which is very slow, even for the best OGC server
>>> available.
>>
>>
>> Assuming you have a laptop, why not just install whatever you want on
>> it and point your browser to http://localhost/mybigfatmaprepository/
>>
>> I have MapServer, Apache, PostGIS/PostGres, Perl, PDL, OpenLayers,
>> jQuery and just about everything else installed on my 4.5 lbs MacBook.
>> I have a little snippet of code in my application so I can turn Google
>> Maps "on" or "off" as needed before I even launch my programs (I use
>> Google Maps terrain maps as a base layer). I even have the
>> documentation for all these programs installed in html form, heck,
>> even minicpan. No need for Internet at all. The only thing I can
>> continue to have is unlimited power, but as long as I can turn my
>> computer on, I can get to all my data. No Internet, no x.5G, no
>> problem.
>>
>>> So, the ideia is to have a repository of maps, like the terrain maps
>>> offered online by google, for exemple, but I dont like the ideia of
>>> using the cache of google earth since all my work is done with QGIS
>>> and Geoserver.
>>> I know of some programs that are trial based that can do this but the
>>> images dont have any type of projection information with them.
>>> I end up with a bunch of images that cant be layed out on my current
>>> projection system.
>>> Is there a way of doing some kind of work with qgis in order to get
>>> this done correctly?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any kind of help.
>>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[Arnie Shore]

Yes that, and how you obtain the GMaps terrain without the internet.
Thanks,

AS

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:

> Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
> everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
> possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
> there are in the repository.
>
> Thanks
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[carlos sousa]

Hello and thanks for your help, but thats kinda blunt, throw
everything into the laptop and call it bigfatmaprepository. Is it
possible to detail a bit the software used and what kind of rasters
there are in the repository.

Thanks

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM, P Kishor  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:58 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
>> Hello OSGEO enthusiasts
>>
>> I would like to create, starting from the point where hard disk space
>> is not a problem, a repository of raster maps that can be accessible
>> offline, when for exemple, we have to go to the field and do
>> georeference tagging and mapping.
>> When in the field, there is no broadband internet or it's limited to
>> 2.5G communication which is very slow, even for the best OGC server
>> available.
>
>
> Assuming you have a laptop, why not just install whatever you want on
> it and point your browser to http://localhost/mybigfatmaprepository/
>
> I have MapServer, Apache, PostGIS/PostGres, Perl, PDL, OpenLayers,
> jQuery and just about everything else installed on my 4.5 lbs MacBook.
> I have a little snippet of code in my application so I can turn Google
> Maps "on" or "off" as needed before I even launch my programs (I use
> Google Maps terrain maps as a base layer). I even have the
> documentation for all these programs installed in html form, heck,
> even minicpan. No need for Internet at all. The only thing I can
> continue to have is unlimited power, but as long as I can turn my
> computer on, I can get to all my data. No Internet, no x.5G, no
> problem.
>
>> So, the ideia is to have a repository of maps, like the terrain maps
>> offered online by google, for exemple, but I dont like the ideia of
>> using the cache of google earth since all my work is done with QGIS
>> and Geoserver.
>> I know of some programs that are trial based that can do this but the
>> images dont have any type of projection information with them.
>> I end up with a bunch of images that cant be layed out on my current
>> projection system.
>> Is there a way of doing some kind of work with qgis in order to get
>> this done correctly?
>>
>> Thanks for any kind of help.
>>
>> Carlos Sousa
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[Andy Turner]

Hi,

Is there more to this than loading the data and the data server technology onto 
a machine you take into the field and configuring the clients on that machine 
to use the local data and server technology?

Do you take a network with you? You could for example network and rely on one 
server which talks to many client machines using that network?

I don't know about using Google clients cached with Google data, but if the 
data is free, or you have license for use and can take them, I'm sure you can 
configure the client/servers so long as they too are open or you have a license 
for their use and are installable on the machines.

Good luck Carlos!

Andy
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On Behalf Of carlos sousa
Sent: 09 November 2010 11:59
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

Hello OSGEO enthusiasts

I would like to create, starting from the point where hard disk space
is not a problem, a repository of raster maps that can be accessible
offline, when for exemple, we have to go to the field and do
georeference tagging and mapping.
When in the field, there is no broadband internet or it's limited to
2.5G communication which is very slow, even for the best OGC server
available.
So, the ideia is to have a repository of maps, like the terrain maps
offered online by google, for exemple, but I dont like the ideia of
using the cache of google earth since all my work is done with QGIS
and Geoserver.
I know of some programs that are trial based that can do this but the
images dont have any type of projection information with them.
I end up with a bunch of images that cant be layed out on my current
projection system.
Is there a way of doing some kind of work with qgis in order to get
this done correctly?

Thanks for any kind of help.

Carlos Sousa
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[Alireza Nobahar]

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Charter Member nomination - About me, Gabriel Roldan

[Gabriel Roldan]

Hi all,

thanks for the Charter Member nomination. I am certainly looking forward to get 
more involved in OSGeo related activities beyond strictly contributing source 
code to a bunch of FOSS4G projects.
Hence it would be a pleasure to me to get on board (though of course you would 
be nuts if voting for me instead of, for example, Maria Brovelli, who we all 
love :)

Yet I dare to take this possibility as a chance to influence the adoption of, 
and collaboration between OSGeo projects and the large number of Latin American 
organizations that would or already are eager to do so, and would benefit from 
a bit more of help in the process.

I'm currently based in Argentina and plan to stay here, and hence I think I 
could be of help around here, our loved and frequently forgotten Latin America.
I'm a regular contributor to GeoTools and GeoServer since 2003. Currently 
contribute also to the GeoNode and GeoWebCache projects, and had some contact 
with uDig and gvSig development in the past too. 

Thanks for reading this far :)

Gabriel Roldan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[P Kishor]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:58 AM, carlos sousa  wrote:
> Hello OSGEO enthusiasts
>
> I would like to create, starting from the point where hard disk space
> is not a problem, a repository of raster maps that can be accessible
> offline, when for exemple, we have to go to the field and do
> georeference tagging and mapping.
> When in the field, there is no broadband internet or it's limited to
> 2.5G communication which is very slow, even for the best OGC server
> available.


Assuming you have a laptop, why not just install whatever you want on
it and point your browser to http://localhost/mybigfatmaprepository/

I have MapServer, Apache, PostGIS/PostGres, Perl, PDL, OpenLayers,
jQuery and just about everything else installed on my 4.5 lbs MacBook.
I have a little snippet of code in my application so I can turn Google
Maps "on" or "off" as needed before I even launch my programs (I use
Google Maps terrain maps as a base layer). I even have the
documentation for all these programs installed in html form, heck,
even minicpan. No need for Internet at all. The only thing I can
continue to have is unlimited power, but as long as I can turn my
computer on, I can get to all my data. No Internet, no x.5G, no
problem.

> So, the ideia is to have a repository of maps, like the terrain maps
> offered online by google, for exemple, but I dont like the ideia of
> using the cache of google earth since all my work is done with QGIS
> and Geoserver.
> I know of some programs that are trial based that can do this but the
> images dont have any type of projection information with them.
> I end up with a bunch of images that cant be layed out on my current
> projection system.
> Is there a way of doing some kind of work with qgis in order to get
> this done correctly?
>
> Thanks for any kind of help.
>
> Carlos Sousa
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Charter Member Nomination - About Me, Andreas Hocevar

[Andreas Hocevar]

Hi,

thank you for nominating me. It is an honor! In addition to the information 
provided on the nomination page 
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2010), which covers my 
involvement in the Open Geospatial world very well, here is some information on 
what I care about with respect to OSGeo:

I am an active contributor to several OSGeo software projects, and as such I 
know that it is good to have a bit of structure beyond project community and 
contributing organizations, e.g. to help raising funds for code sprints or 
resolve licensing issues. As a charter member, my aim would be OSGeo helping 
software projects in that matter.

I am a regular at major geospatial conferences in Austria and Germany. I see 
how hard it is for project communities to create promotional materials. As a 
charter member, I would like to see OSGeo help organize cross-organizational 
efforts to promote OSGeo projects. Where involved organizations are not able 
to, OSGeo should spend money on project marketing.

Thanks for your votes :-)
Andreas.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Incubator] Defining the Marketing requirements for OSGeo Incubation

[Daniel Morissette]

For the record, I agree with the comments made by Arnulf and a few
others that encouraging projects to produce this material and keep it up
to date is a good thing, but making that an incubation criteria may be
pushing it a bit much.

I also believe that a Live DVD is a nice thing to have and a great
showcase, but I'm not convinced that we should discriminate between
OSGeo Live and OSGeo4W, DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS, EL-GIS and other packaging
efforts... they all facilitate access to the software for non-technical
users in the environment that they are already familiar with, so all
projects should be strongly encouraged to participate in all of them as
well as in the OSGeo Live DVD. As a bonus, the projects who put energy
into DebianGIS/UbuntuGIS are much easier to integrate in OSGeo Live, the
reverse is not true.

My 0.02$

Daniel

Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
> Cameron,
> thanks for your initiative. Let me add a few notes to reconsider about
> *how* we want to go about this.
> 
> Marketing is an OSGeo service for it's projects. Adding the proposed
> requirements as criteria to pass Incubation feels a lot more like a
> stick than a carrot. What I do like is the aspect of revisiting all
> incubated projects once a year -> I proposed this to Incubation twice
> but so far it never got anywhere.
> 
> The current proposal is very focused on the needs of OSGeo Live. Don't
> get me wrong, I like the OSGeo Live project and have already used it
> successfully in workshops and recommend it everywhere. But to me it is
> more like another OSGeo project and should not become a cirteria for
> incubation. To get my idea just imagine that supporting GDAL/OGR is an
> OSGeo incubation criteria. Did the OSGeo Live project ever incubate at
> all? Should be easy, maybe you want to apply?
> 
> Respective to what marketing material we need: My personal perception
> (which can obviously be wrong) is that DVDs at trade fairs and
> conferences get taken away and then never looked at again. The contained
> information is as quickly outdated as that on any piece of paper. An
> OGSeo folder with summary pages and a short description on paper would
> be a great hand-out. It could be a additional benefit to sponsors who
> appear in this folder. Sponsors can reuse this material and add their
> own portfolio to use in their sales. This is one of the few concrete
> wishes of our current sponsors.
> 
> Some of the items you suggest seem to duplicate efforts already in
> place. The short intro page to each project is on the OSGeo web site:
> http://www.osgeo.org/
> The project logos should not be uploaded to yet another disconnected
> repository. Marketing might want to scrutinize and consolidate what we
> have now.
> 
> One last comment is that I would not support "powerpoint" as a
> desireable format. Especially with presentations once stuck on one
> office package you will never leave because everything invariably falls
> apart. Let us for now stick with whatever projets are used to and wait a
> bit more for HTML5.
> 
> To me "nudging" feels a lot more like OSGeo than the threat of "imposing
> rules". But this is just my old me...
> 
> Best regards,
> Arnulf
> 
> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Jody,
>> Why not add your comments by email initially.
>> I suggest that we discuss this at the next scheduled Marketing Committee
>> meeting.
> 
>> We have just changed the timeslot, Tyler should be able to tell us the
>> next meeting time. (It doesn't seem to be up to date here:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meetings )
> 
>> On 08/11/10 18:57, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>> I was thinking of taking that discussion to the marketing list; to see
>>> how it aligns with committee goals before pestering project leads.
>>>
>>> Would you like to make an IRC date; even if it is just the two of us
>>> we could run through your wiki page and give it the once over.
>>>
>>> I am pretty busy at work; but could try for Tuesday evening if you are
>>> available?
>>>
>>> Jody
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Cameron Shorter
>>>   wrote:
>>>   
 On 06/11/10 13:38, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
 
> Jody Garnett wrote:
>   
>> Bit confused here cameron.
>>
>> The incubation committee is focused to helping projects into the
>> foundation; the marketing committee needs to sort out what is
>> required to
>> facilitate involvement with any promotional activities OSGeo
>> undertakes.
>>
>> So please don't respond to the incubation list; not really our cup of
>> tea.
>>  
> Jody,
>
> I believe Cameron is hoping the incubation committee is a good place to
> seek buy-in from the projects, and that we would make production of the
> desired artifacts a condition of graduation.
>
> It does seem Cameron set a wide net (discuss, marketing and
> incubation).
> I personally don't like cross-list discussions.
>
> Best regards,
>
 Jody, as Frank notes I've en

[OSGeo-Discuss] offline maps

[carlos sousa]

Hello OSGEO enthusiasts

I would like to create, starting from the point where hard disk space
is not a problem, a repository of raster maps that can be accessible
offline, when for exemple, we have to go to the field and do
georeference tagging and mapping.
When in the field, there is no broadband internet or it's limited to
2.5G communication which is very slow, even for the best OGC server
available.
So, the ideia is to have a repository of maps, like the terrain maps
offered online by google, for exemple, but I dont like the ideia of
using the cache of google earth since all my work is done with QGIS
and Geoserver.
I know of some programs that are trial based that can do this but the
images dont have any type of projection information with them.
I end up with a bunch of images that cant be layed out on my current
projection system.
Is there a way of doing some kind of work with qgis in order to get
this done correctly?

Thanks for any kind of help.

Carlos Sousa
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