Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
Hi Dan, Any that you have spare would indeed be useful. If we could just check on postage costs to ship them to the UK first, that would be great. My address is in my email footer. Thanks Jo On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Hi Dan, If you could kindly send the unused LiveDVDs for OSGeo UK Chapter that will be greatly appreciated. We need them for promoting at various events in the UK. You can post to Jo Cook or myself . We will pay for the postage costs. Best wishes, Suchith -- *From:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel P. Ames [dan.a...@isu.edu] *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:41 AM *To:* Cameron Shorter *Cc:* OSGeo Marketing; Jo Cook; OSGeo Discussions *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role Would someone be able/willing to give such a talk at the MapWindow/Open Source GIS conference in Velp, The Netherlands next month? See http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2012/ We have a box of live DVD's to give out. Actually we have about 800 Live DVD's but will probably only give out 100 or so at the conference. So if someone wants some already burned DVD's let me know. - Dan -- Daniel P. Ames, Ph.D. PE Associate Professor, Geosciences Idaho State University - Idaho Falls dan.a...@isu.edu geology.isu.edu www.mapwindow.org -- ***Jo Cook* Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 750 095 8167 iShare - Data integration and publishing platformhttp://www.isharemaps.com/ * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
Dear Puneet, The idea is that conference organizers usually look for people to give keynotes etcetera at their event that have a higher than average visibility so they will attract a large audience to the conference in order to make it a success. Isn't it kind of natural to have such leaders in communities that stand out? We call them presidents, kings and queens, ministers, ambassadors, Nobel prize winners etc.. They are not super humans and we are not worth less than them. But reality is that it works this way. Even communist systems didn't manage to make us all equal. My street will be pretty crowded when our queen would walk by, but is very silent when I walk by. Still I consider myself equally human and accept that we all have different roles in life. We as OSGeo are not much different. It kind of makes natural sense to have our community leaders stand out a little more, even if it is just for the benefit of our community. More publicity and thus more value for OSGeo. At the same time the discussion of having Ambassadors should not be mixed with OSGeo's democratic / do-ocratic nature. It will not create a new hierarchy level with a special voting right or so. It is just a way to do a better job towards the outside world in marketing OSGeo. The last years have shown that just on that aspect we need to do a better job and that it doesn't work to have the whole community serve as community leaders. Just to be sure: I am NOT saying that we shouldn't ALL volunteer time and energy to OSGeo. Just that I think there are very good reasons to also have Ambassadors (or whatever we call them). Cheers, Jeroen On 31 mei 2012, at 00:29, Puneet Kishor wrote: On May 30, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: On 31/05/2012 12:08 AM, Jo Cook wrote: My thoughts- initially I thought the idea was too complicated, but if we envisage outside organisations/conferences coming to us for speakers, then we will need something like you suggest. I wonder, in all honesty, how much that is going to happen, but at least we will have somewhere to point them to. Jo, In 2012, there have been 22 events that I'm aware of that have/are planning to made use of the OSGeo-Live DVD (or the presentation): http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History At most/all of these events there an OSGeo presentation, usually based upon our OSGeo-Live presentation, and I've usually been involved in finding someone to give these presentations. I suspect that Arnulf and others could testify to similar numbers of approaches. So, from personal experience, I would find it very useful to have a list of ambassadors to point conference organisors at. Here is what I don't understand -- Why call them ambassadors? Why not simply have a list of Charter Members who have volunteered to make themselves available all around the world, and then, when an event comes up, ask the CMs close by (the event) if they would give a presentation, stand at a booth, demo an OSGeo-Live DVD, etc.? In fact, I would contend that such volunteers need not even be a CM. They can simply be *any* user of OSGeo-endorsed products and knowledgeable about OSGeo in general. Personally, I am with Jo in that I find this a needless extra hierarchy, but more than that, (as I mentioned in an earlier email), I find the language of the proposal a bit off-the-spirit of OSGeo. I point to the following text fragments in particular, as they connote clubs -- elite of the OSGeo community outstanding leadership in the greater OSGeo community strongly contested selective process -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
top posting... To be clear, I am completely for the need that the proposed ambassadors would fulfill. I am against -- 1. Creating another level of organizational complexity; and 2. The club-ish language in the proposal that seems to create a subjective value-laden hierarchy. I personally know folks who are not even a charter member who generate an immense amount of goodwill through their work with open source GeoSpatial technologies, and would also make great ambassadors for the general principles and ideas that power OSGeo. As CMs, we have no other responsibility currently other than voting for the Board. This has been lamented by many. Well, here is an opportunity. We already have a db of CMs and their locations. Let us add to that our willingness to speak/demo/present on behalf of OSGeo at events in our area (some of us already do that, ahem). Then, when an event organizer is looking for a speaker, a CM in that event area can be contacted and asked to speak. What could be simpler? /purely pointless personal viewpoint ahead not meriting a response: No, having kings and queens is not natural, not in today's day and age. But, that is neither here nor there. On May 31, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Jeroen Ticheler jeroen.tiche...@geocat.net wrote: Dear Puneet, The idea is that conference organizers usually look for people to give keynotes etcetera at their event that have a higher than average visibility so they will attract a large audience to the conference in order to make it a success. Isn't it kind of natural to have such leaders in communities that stand out? We call them presidents, kings and queens, ministers, ambassadors, Nobel prize winners etc.. They are not super humans and we are not worth less than them. But reality is that it works this way. Even communist systems didn't manage to make us all equal. My street will be pretty crowded when our queen would walk by, but is very silent when I walk by. Still I consider myself equally human and accept that we all have different roles in life. We as OSGeo are not much different. It kind of makes natural sense to have our community leaders stand out a little more, even if it is just for the benefit of our community. More publicity and thus more value for OSGeo. At the same time the discussion of having Ambassadors should not be mixed with OSGeo's democratic / do-ocratic nature. It will not create a new hierarchy level with a special voting right or so. It is just a way to do a better job towards the outside world in marketing OSGeo. The last years have shown that just on that aspect we need to do a better job and that it doesn't work to have the whole community serve as community leaders. Just to be sure: I am NOT saying that we shouldn't ALL volunteer time and energy to OSGeo. Just that I think there are very good reasons to also have Ambassadors (or whatever we call them). Cheers, Jeroen On 31 mei 2012, at 00:29, Puneet Kishor wrote: On May 30, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: On 31/05/2012 12:08 AM, Jo Cook wrote: My thoughts- initially I thought the idea was too complicated, but if we envisage outside organisations/conferences coming to us for speakers, then we will need something like you suggest. I wonder, in all honesty, how much that is going to happen, but at least we will have somewhere to point them to. Jo, In 2012, there have been 22 events that I'm aware of that have/are planning to made use of the OSGeo-Live DVD (or the presentation): http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History At most/all of these events there an OSGeo presentation, usually based upon our OSGeo-Live presentation, and I've usually been involved in finding someone to give these presentations. I suspect that Arnulf and others could testify to similar numbers of approaches. So, from personal experience, I would find it very useful to have a list of ambassadors to point conference organisors at. Here is what I don't understand -- Why call them ambassadors? Why not simply have a list of Charter Members who have volunteered to make themselves available all around the world, and then, when an event comes up, ask the CMs close by (the event) if they would give a presentation, stand at a booth, demo an OSGeo-Live DVD, etc.? In fact, I would contend that such volunteers need not even be a CM. They can simply be *any* user of OSGeo-endorsed products and knowledgeable about OSGeo in general. Personally, I am with Jo in that I find this a needless extra hierarchy, but more than that, (as I mentioned in an earlier email), I find the language of the proposal a bit off-the-spirit of OSGeo. I point to the following text fragments in particular, as they connote clubs -- elite of the OSGeo community outstanding leadership in the greater OSGeo community strongly contested selective process -- Puneet Kishor
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
Hi Cameron, Apologies i won't be able to attend this meeting . The OSGeo Ambassadors idea is good but the important thing is as many people do this not just charter members or a select few. I am sure many people are already promoting OSGeo through their presentations in conferences, events etc. I personally always make it a point to promote OSGeo (at least few slides ) in any conference, events that i get opportunity to present. For example for a conference , the more presenters talking about OSGeo in their presentations (not just keynote speakers) the more impact it has. That sends a powerful message of the impact and potential of OSGeo to the wider audience. Best wishes, Suchith From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter Sent: 29 May 2012 22:00 To: OSGeo Marketing; OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role I've set up a meeting next week to discuss then finalise the setting of an OSGeo Ambassador role. Hope to see many of you at the meeting, or if you can't make it, please share your thoughts (and vote?) on email before hand. Location: irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo Time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012month=6day=4hour=20min=30sec=0p1=264p2=240p3=215p4=179p5=224 Location Local time Wellingtonhttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=264 (New Zealand) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 8:30:00 AM Sydneyhttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240 (Australia - New South Wales) Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 6:30:00 AM Romehttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215 (Italy) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 10:30:00 PM New Yorkhttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 (U.S.A. - New York) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 4:30:00 PM San Franciscohttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224 (U.S.A. - California) Monday, 4 June 2012 at 1:30:00 PM The current proposal is here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador This topic has been discussed by many of you on discuss, marketing and board email lists. Here is a summary of comments, along with my suggestions: 1. There has emerged to be two roles which people have been categorising under the title of OSGeo Ambassador a. Someone knowledgeable in OSGeo, who can speak at conferences and the like. This is what we are focusing on for this definition of the role. b. Someone who can negotiate MOU and similar on behalf of the OSGeo board. This is proposed to be treated separately, with the OSGeo Board delegated to someone they see fit to do the job, on a case-by-case basis. 2. There has been concern (from FrankW?) about defining a role which is exclusive and prevents people from just stepping up an volunteering. This is addressed by letting anyone who believes they have OSGeo experience and thinks them self worthy can step forward and volunteer. 3. There has been concern (from Arnulf?) that our categorisation is too complicated. (We are proposing Board Members, Charter Members, Voted Positions, Community Members). I believe that we do need some way to define OSGeo experience, because that is one of the key criteria that conference organisors look for when selecting speakers and key notes. We can potentially de-emphasise the categorisation by moving it into the Description field rather than making a heading out of it. -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
Thanks Puneet, Good to have some sharpening opinions here that reveal that most of us likely agree with the need for an easy to find pool of prominent OSGeo ambassadors. And yes, also those promotors that are not CMs could be Ambassadors in my opinion. It would just be nice if they connected a little more to OSGeo and become charter members also :-) Cheers, Jeroen On 31 mei 2012, at 13:03, Puneet Kishor wrote: top posting... To be clear, I am completely for the need that the proposed ambassadors would fulfill. I am against -- 1. Creating another level of organizational complexity; and 2. The club-ish language in the proposal that seems to create a subjective value-laden hierarchy. I personally know folks who are not even a charter member who generate an immense amount of goodwill through their work with open source GeoSpatial technologies, and would also make great ambassadors for the general principles and ideas that power OSGeo. As CMs, we have no other responsibility currently other than voting for the Board. This has been lamented by many. Well, here is an opportunity. We already have a db of CMs and their locations. Let us add to that our willingness to speak/demo/present on behalf of OSGeo at events in our area (some of us already do that, ahem). Then, when an event organizer is looking for a speaker, a CM in that event area can be contacted and asked to speak. What could be simpler? /purely pointless personal viewpoint ahead not meriting a response: No, having kings and queens is not natural, not in today's day and age. But, that is neither here nor there. On May 31, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Jeroen Ticheler jeroen.tiche...@geocat.net wrote: Dear Puneet, The idea is that conference organizers usually look for people to give keynotes etcetera at their event that have a higher than average visibility so they will attract a large audience to the conference in order to make it a success. Isn't it kind of natural to have such leaders in communities that stand out? We call them presidents, kings and queens, ministers, ambassadors, Nobel prize winners etc.. They are not super humans and we are not worth less than them. But reality is that it works this way. Even communist systems didn't manage to make us all equal. My street will be pretty crowded when our queen would walk by, but is very silent when I walk by. Still I consider myself equally human and accept that we all have different roles in life. We as OSGeo are not much different. It kind of makes natural sense to have our community leaders stand out a little more, even if it is just for the benefit of our community. More publicity and thus more value for OSGeo. At the same time the discussion of having Ambassadors should not be mixed with OSGeo's democratic / do-ocratic nature. It will not create a new hierarchy level with a special voting right or so. It is just a way to do a better job towards the outside world in marketing OSGeo. The last years have shown that just on that aspect we need to do a better job and that it doesn't work to have the whole community serve as community leaders. Just to be sure: I am NOT saying that we shouldn't ALL volunteer time and energy to OSGeo. Just that I think there are very good reasons to also have Ambassadors (or whatever we call them). Cheers, Jeroen On 31 mei 2012, at 00:29, Puneet Kishor wrote: On May 30, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: On 31/05/2012 12:08 AM, Jo Cook wrote: My thoughts- initially I thought the idea was too complicated, but if we envisage outside organisations/conferences coming to us for speakers, then we will need something like you suggest. I wonder, in all honesty, how much that is going to happen, but at least we will have somewhere to point them to. Jo, In 2012, there have been 22 events that I'm aware of that have/are planning to made use of the OSGeo-Live DVD (or the presentation): http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History At most/all of these events there an OSGeo presentation, usually based upon our OSGeo-Live presentation, and I've usually been involved in finding someone to give these presentations. I suspect that Arnulf and others could testify to similar numbers of approaches. So, from personal experience, I would find it very useful to have a list of ambassadors to point conference organisors at. Here is what I don't understand -- Why call them ambassadors? Why not simply have a list of Charter Members who have volunteered to make themselves available all around the world, and then, when an event comes up, ask the CMs close by (the event) if they would give a presentation, stand at a booth, demo an OSGeo-Live DVD, etc.? In fact, I would contend that such volunteers need not even be a CM. They can simply be *any* user of OSGeo-endorsed products and knowledgeable about OSGeo in general.
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role
Based on feedback from a number of you, I've update the wiki and endeavoured to simply the Ambassador role. I've removed the concept of Categories, and have instead changed it to: Understanding OSGeo Roles http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador#Understanding_OSGeo_roles All ambassadors will come under the same heading (maybe ordered by country?). Then each ambassador can add a list of OSGeo Roles that they have filled. On 31/05/2012 10:12 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: Thanks Puneet, Good to have some sharpening opinions here that reveal that most of us likely agree with the need for an easy to find pool of prominent OSGeo ambassadors. And yes, also those promotors that are not CMs could be Ambassadors in my opinion. It would just be nice if they connected a little more to OSGeo and become charter members also :-) Cheers, Jeroen On 31 mei 2012, at 13:03, Puneet Kishor wrote: top posting... To be clear, I am completely for the need that the proposed ambassadors would fulfill. I am against -- 1. Creating another level of organizational complexity; and 2. The club-ish language in the proposal that seems to create a subjective value-laden hierarchy. I personally know folks who are not even a charter member who generate an immense amount of goodwill through their work with open source GeoSpatial technologies, and would also make great ambassadors for the general principles and ideas that power OSGeo. As CMs, we have no other responsibility currently other than voting for the Board. This has been lamented by many. Well, here is an opportunity. We already have a db of CMs and their locations. Let us add to that our willingness to speak/demo/present on behalf of OSGeo at events in our area (some of us already do that, ahem). Then, when an event organizer is looking for a speaker, a CM in that event area can be contacted and asked to speak. What could be simpler? /purely pointless personal viewpoint ahead not meriting a response: No, having kings and queens is not natural, not in today's day and age. But, that is neither here nor there. On May 31, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Jeroen Tichelerjeroen.tiche...@geocat.net wrote: Dear Puneet, The idea is that conference organizers usually look for people to give keynotes etcetera at their event that have a higher than average visibility so they will attract a large audience to the conference in order to make it a success. Isn't it kind of natural to have such leaders in communities that stand out? We call them presidents, kings and queens, ministers, ambassadors, Nobel prize winners etc.. They are not super humans and we are not worth less than them. But reality is that it works this way. Even communist systems didn't manage to make us all equal. My street will be pretty crowded when our queen would walk by, but is very silent when I walk by. Still I consider myself equally human and accept that we all have different roles in life. We as OSGeo are not much different. It kind of makes natural sense to have our community leaders stand out a little more, even if it is just for the benefit of our community. More publicity and thus more value for OSGeo. At the same time the discussion of having Ambassadors should not be mixed with OSGeo's democratic / do-ocratic nature. It will not create a new hierarchy level with a special voting right or so. It is just a way to do a better job towards the outside world in marketing OSGeo. The last years have shown that just on that aspect we need to do a better job and that it doesn't work to have the whole community serve as community leaders. Just to be sure: I am NOT saying that we shouldn't ALL volunteer time and energy to OSGeo. Just that I think there are very good reasons to also have Ambassadors (or whatever we call them). Cheers, Jeroen On 31 mei 2012, at 00:29, Puneet Kishor wrote: On May 30, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: On 31/05/2012 12:08 AM, Jo Cook wrote: My thoughts- initially I thought the idea was too complicated, but if we envisage outside organisations/conferences coming to us for speakers, then we will need something like you suggest. I wonder, in all honesty, how much that is going to happen, but at least we will have somewhere to point them to. Jo, In 2012, there have been 22 events that I'm aware of that have/are planning to made use of the OSGeo-Live DVD (or the presentation): http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History At most/all of these events there an OSGeo presentation, usually based upon our OSGeo-Live presentation, and I've usually been involved in finding someone to give these presentations. I suspect that Arnulf and others could testify to similar numbers of approaches. So, from personal experience, I would find it very useful to have a list of ambassadors to point conference organisors at. Here is what I don't understand -- Why call them ambassadors? Why not simply have a list of Charter Members who have volunteered
