[OSGeo-Discuss] Congratulations to Arnulf for Sol Katz Award 2013
well deserved and even overdue! :) Congratulations Arnulf and all the best! Dimitris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ***Jo Cook* Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platformhttp://www.isharemaps.com/ * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
FYI I talked with Alan yesterday about setting up a PSC for UbuntuGIS to increase this project's bus number. Let's see what OSGeo4W does, and UbuntuGIS will likely adopt a similar approach. I agree with those who wrote that we should aim to share as much as possible between the various distros, for instance we should aim to reuse/share the getting started docs produced by OSGeo-Live. That being said I am not convinced that a single PSC overseeing all binary distros could be very efficient. OSGeo4W, UbuntuGIS, OSGeo-Live, etc, all have some commonalities, but also some big differences in the end product due to the nature of the platform that they target. Separate PSCs/teams focused on each platform seem more natural to me, even if some devs end up participating on multiple teams, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong of course. Daniel On 13-09-25 9:43 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road,
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Geo for All education mission is now launched
Hi Sergio, That is excellent. We definitely want to get your expertise and inputs for the Train the trainer GIS program for school teachers. As you know , thanks to some volunteers we are now translating gvSIG Batovi documentation from Spanish-English and will make it available in ELOGeo to benifit other GIS educators . Once the documents are available in English more people will benefit from your excellent work. OSGeo Live will be important part of our Training program. I will invite Angelos, Astrid and other interested members from the OSGeo Live community to join our next monthly ICA-OSGeo labs telemeeting (I had been busy catching up with many workloads after FOSS4G - so will send the meeting time etc in Oct beginning) where we will be discussing more ideas and plans to take this forward. Our new website of the ICA-OSGeo labs initiative Geo4All.org will be active in one month (colleagues from University of Southampton are working on it), and having the new website is important so we build up momentum for our education efforts. Thanks again for your support and contribution. Suchith -Original Message- From: Sergio Acosta y Lara [mailto:saco...@dntopografia.gub.uy] Sent: 25 September 2013 14:01 To: Suchith Anand Cc: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org; discuss@lists.osgeo.org; edu discuss; ica-opensou...@lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Geo for All education mission is now launched Hi Suchith. I will like to have some feedback from that Train the Trainer GIS program for school teachers as I'll probably be organizing a workshop on gvSIG Batoví for teachers' trainers soon and I would like to be in harmony with it. Regards, Sergio Acosta y Lara Sección Sistemas de Información Geográfica Dirección Nacional de Topografía Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas URUGUAY - Mensaje original - De: Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk Para: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org, discuss@lists.osgeo.org, edu discuss edu_disc...@lists.osgeo.org, ica-opensou...@lists.nottingham.ac.uk Enviados: Domingo, 22 de Septiembre 2013 19:37:57 Asunto: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Geo for All education mission is now launched Dear All, FOSS4G 2013 has been a great success (28 Workshops, 180 Presentations., 833 delegates ) thanks to the countless hours of efforts put in by our dedicated volunteers. Special thanks to our team members Abi, Addy, Antony, Barend, Barry, Claire, Franz-Josef, Jeremy, Jo, IanH, IanE, Mark, Matt, Rollo and Steven who not only made FOSS4G 2013 http://2013.foss4g.org/about-foss4g/committee/ a great success but also has given firm foundation for the Geo for All Education initiative . We also launched OSGeo Live 7.0 at FOSS4G 2013 in Nottingham. Thanks to the selfless efforts and dedication of hundreds of volunteers worldwide that help make this excellent resource possible for the benefit of the wider community . Details at http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html Having free and open GI software is key for making possible for students in developing and poor countries to be also able to get geospatial education (without the need for high cost proprietary GI software ) and OSGeo Liv e is cen tral to our education efforts. Our Education Team will now with full dedication and focus will carry on the Geo for All initiative to all across the world. Our key aim is to make it possible for students in developing and poor countries to be also able to get geospatial education. By 2015, we will have 50 Open Source Geospatial Labs established in universities in Africa alone and they will all be teaching GIS courses to hundreds of students. We also will be starting work on Train the Trainer GIS program for school teachers all over the world. We also launched our latest ICA-OSGeo research lab in Switzerland at ETH Zurich at FOSS4G 2013 . The Open Source Geospatial Laboratory at ETH Zurich is part is part of the Institute of Cartography and Geoinformation, chair of Cartography . Details at http://www.ikg.ethz.ch/karto/index_EN The preceding Institute of Cartography was founded in 1925 by Professor Eduard Imhof, one of the main founders of modern academic cartography. It is therefore the oldest university institute in cartography world-wide. In 2011, with the establishment of the new chair of Geoinformation Engineering, the scope of activities of the institute was expanded and its name was adapted. In cartography, the institute strives to maintain its leading position in topographic cartography (relief representation), thematic cartography, and atlas cartography (school atlases, national atlases) by exploiting and further developing cartographic knowledge and adapting it to new interactive technologies and application domains. Geoinformation Engineering aims at analyzing, representing, modelling, and visualizing spatio-temporal decision processes and integrates such models in mobile geoinformation services and spatial
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Hi, On Wed, 25. Sep 2013 at 06:43:21 -0700, Frank Warmerdam wrote: I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. Thanks. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Probably, I just subscribed here. So I missed the initial discussion (although meanwhile read up in the archive). On Wed, 25. Sep 2013 at 09:54:11 -0400, Daniel Morissette wrote: That being said I am not convinced that a single PSC overseeing all binary distros could be very efficient. OSGeo4W, UbuntuGIS, OSGeo-Live, etc, all have some commonalities, but also some big differences in the end product due to the nature of the platform that they target. Separate PSCs/teams focused on each platform seem more natural to me, even if some devs end up participating on multiple teams, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong of course. I also expect separate projects to work better - packaging is probably more about the differences of platforms than their commonalities. But as I'm doing the debian (and in turn ubuntugis) and the OSGeo4W packaging of QGIS, I'm probably a bad example for that point. I also believe coordination could become a problem, if we try to get everything under one umbrella. Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS PSC member (RM) IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] SSI Fellowship
The Software Sustainability Institute is a UK-based group funded by UK Research Council money and offers fellowships to academics to promote reproducible research and better software - one of their mottos is Better Research Through Better Software, and I was wearing that t-shirt for my talk at FOSS4G last week! The Institute is funding another round of fellowships for 2014, applications close on Friday (but its a fairly short form) and I think a lot of their goals overlap with OSGeo goals in the open software space. You'll get £3000 for activities such as conferences (which could get a UK person to Portland for FOSS4G 2014!) More details are here: http://www.software.ac.uk/fellowship-programme there are some restrictions on applicants (such as they should be working in UK-related research at an academic institute) but otherwise the current bunch are a motley crew of assorted scientists (including social science), non-scientists (humanities), developers and programmers. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Geo for All education mission is now launched
Hi Suchith, I will be available for the next telemeeting, thanks for the invitation. I am also waiting confirmation from my department chair to bootstrap our ICA-OSGeo lab. Best, Angelos On 09/25/2013 05:24 PM, Suchith Anand wrote: Hi Sergio, That is excellent. We definitely want to get your expertise and inputs for the Train the trainer GIS program for school teachers. As you know , thanks to some volunteers we are now translating gvSIG Batovi documentation from Spanish-English and will make it available in ELOGeo to benifit other GIS educators . Once the documents are available in English more people will benefit from your excellent work. OSGeo Live will be important part of our Training program. I will invite Angelos, Astrid and other interested members from the OSGeo Live community to join our next monthly ICA-OSGeo labs telemeeting (I had been busy catching up with many workloads after FOSS4G - so will send the meeting time etc in Oct beginning) where we will be discussing more ideas and plans to take this forward. Our new website of the ICA-OSGeo labs initiative Geo4All.org will be active in one month (colleagues from University of Southampton are working on it), and having the new website is important so we build up momentum for our education efforts. Thanks again for your support and contribution. Suchith -Original Message- From: Sergio Acosta y Lara [mailto:saco...@dntopografia.gub.uy] Sent: 25 September 2013 14:01 To: Suchith Anand Cc: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org; discuss@lists.osgeo.org; edu discuss; ica-opensou...@lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Geo for All education mission is now launched Hi Suchith. I will like to have some feedback from that Train the Trainer GIS program for school teachers as I'll probably be organizing a workshop on gvSIG Batoví for teachers' trainers soon and I would like to be in harmony with it. Regards, Sergio Acosta y Lara Sección Sistemas de Información Geográfica Dirección Nacional de Topografía Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas URUGUAY - Mensaje original - De: Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk Para: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org, discuss@lists.osgeo.org, edu discuss edu_disc...@lists.osgeo.org, ica-opensou...@lists.nottingham.ac.uk Enviados: Domingo, 22 de Septiembre 2013 19:37:57 Asunto: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Geo for All education mission is now launched Dear All, FOSS4G 2013 has been a great success (28 Workshops, 180 Presentations., 833 delegates ) thanks to the countless hours of efforts put in by our dedicated volunteers. Special thanks to our team members Abi, Addy, Antony, Barend, Barry, Claire, Franz-Josef, Jeremy, Jo, IanH, IanE, Mark, Matt, Rollo and Steven who not only made FOSS4G 2013 http://2013.foss4g.org/about-foss4g/committee/ a great success but also has given firm foundation for the Geo for All Education initiative . We also launched OSGeo Live 7.0 at FOSS4G 2013 in Nottingham. Thanks to the selfless efforts and dedication of hundreds of volunteers worldwide that help make this excellent resource possible for the benefit of the wider community . Details at http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html Having free and open GI software is key for making possible for students in developing and poor countries to be also able to get geospatial education (without the need for high cost proprietary GI software ) and OSGeo Liv e is cen tral to our education efforts. Our Education Team will now with full dedication and focus will carry on the Geo for All initiative to all across the world. Our key aim is to make it possible for students in developing and poor countries to be also able to get geospatial education. By 2015, we will have 50 Open Source Geospatial Labs established in universities in Africa alone and they will all be teaching GIS courses to hundreds of students. We also will be starting work on Train the Trainer GIS program for school teachers all over the world. We also launched our latest ICA-OSGeo research lab in Switzerland at ETH Zurich at FOSS4G 2013 . The Open Source Geospatial Laboratory at ETH Zurich is part is part of the Institute of Cartography and Geoinformation, chair of Cartography . Details at http://www.ikg.ethz.ch/karto/index_EN The preceding Institute of Cartography was founded in 1925 by Professor Eduard Imhof, one of the main founders of modern academic cartography. It is therefore the oldest university institute in cartography world-wide. In 2011, with the establishment of the new chair of Geoinformation Engineering, the scope of activities of the institute was expanded and its name was adapted. In cartography, the institute strives to maintain its leading position in topographic cartography (relief representation), thematic cartography, and atlas cartography (school atlases, national atlases) by exploiting and further developing cartographic knowledge and adapting it to new interactive technologies
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Frank, The RFC http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc looks pretty good, thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right direction to follow. I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions, there might be some common aspects, though. Best regards, Tamas 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Tamas, I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W). Once we have a PSC, we need to discuss direction and then nail a plan down and agree to it. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, The RFC http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc looks pretty good, thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right direction to follow. I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions, there might be some common aspects, though. Best regards, Tamas 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Hi, On Wed, 25. Sep 2013 at 15:36:17 -0700, Frank Warmerdam wrote: I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W). We already do that for QGIS - the NSIS standalone/double-click installer is created from OSGeo4W packages. So for me that already works quite well and I'm not really tempted to throw it all overboard and start from scratch. Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS PSC member (RM) IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Congratulations to Arnulf for Sol Katz Award 2013
Congrats Arnulf for winning the award. Keep up the OSGeo flag flying high. Ravi From: Venkatesh Raghavan ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Congratulations to Arnulf for Sol Katz Award 2013 Hi All, I would like to congratulate Arnulf on the Sol Katz 2013 award in recognition of his contributions to FOSS4G and the OSGeo Foundation. Looking forward to his many more contributions in the years to come. Cheers, Arnulf. Best Venka ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
