Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Stefan Keller]

Dear all, dear OSGeo Board

While supporting this LAS related initiative I'd like to draw your
attention to a potentially similar use case which is at least of same
relevance:

In April 2014 Esri officially announced support for >> GeoPackage <<
vector in version 10.2.2 and raster in 10.3:
http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2014/04/14/support-for-ogc-geopackages-in-arcgis/
("Support for OGC GeoPackage in ArcGIS")

Now Esri support confirmed that in ArcgIS Desktop 10.3 only read-only
access is possible. So, there's still no write nor edit capability
(and no ArcGIS Server no Runtime) despite this FAQ:
http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/42567
("What versions of the OGC GeoPackage standard are supported?")

I'm still looking for an answer for an "Enhancement Request" but I'm
really concerned about Esri's commitment to (promised OGC) standards.

Yours, S.


2015-03-01 22:38 GMT+01:00 Suchith Anand :
> Colleagues,
>
> I see these kind of developments also directly affecting Open Principles in 
> Geo Education that "Geo for All" , OSGeo, ICA all stand for and are working 
> together in our common mission of making geospatial education and 
> opportunities accessible to all.
>
> "Geo for All" will take a stand on this as it not only affects our Academic 
> colleagues and students working in LIDAR research and teaching but will have 
> long term impacts on Open Principles in Geo Education. We will work to put 
> our ideas in the Open Letter from OSGeo explaining this.
>
> "Geo for All" started from very humble beginnings and this was only possible 
> because academic colleagues globally came together to change the status of 
> Geo education. For decades even though there was great progress in GIS 
> technologies, educational opportunities esp. in developing and poor countries 
> were very small. This is now changing dramatically thanks to the efforts of 
> our colleagues from Nepal to Uruguay.
>
> We got excellent support from all sectors (universities, industry , 
> governments etc) but to my surprise ESRI was the only proprietary vendor who 
> was trying  to undermine this initiative indirectly from the very start. I 
> still cannot understand why this particular vendor wants to do that. I really 
> hope the proprietors of this company will also support Open Principles in Geo 
> Education (not just telling externally on Openness but actually practicing 
> this). We want to have good relations with everyone in the Geospatial domain 
> , so our hand of friendship is always open. So please let us all work 
> together.
>
> Hardware costs are (and will) keep coming down, internet access is increasing 
> (and will keep  increasing)  even in developing countries and with free and 
> open source software, even poor schools in developing countries are getting 
> small computer labs established ( i know this from my experience in India) 
> .The convergence of all these factors with a great team of dedicated people 
> is changing geoeducation forever.
>
> I strongly believe access of good quality education is everyones birthright 
> and now we are for first time in history getting opportunity to make this 
> possible. We will not accept putting artificial barriers like high cost 
> proprietary software (which quite frankly they won't be able to even think of 
> affording) which will continue denying quality education opportunities for 
> millions of students globally (both in developed and developing countries).
>
> So why should i care? Because i learned one of the most important lessons in 
> my life in my childhood from my grandmother (who though did not get the 
> opportunity of "proper education" herself taught me the importance of the 
> values of  sharing and about  "Vasudeva Kudumbam" which means "We all belong 
> to one large Universal family" and " Geo for All" is for my Universal family 
> and i will do everything in my abilities to make sure education opportunities 
> are open to all.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> 
> From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter 
> [cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 7:37 PM
> To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Paul Ramsey; Carl Reed
> Cc: P Kishor; Scott Simmons; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss]  The LAS format, the 
> ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
> What would strengthen a position for use of Open LIDAR interfaces would
> be if such an Open LIDAR interface were introduced into the OGC
> standards program.
>
> Carl,
> I'd be interested to hear you (or someone else from the OGC) explain how
> people should approach initiating an Open LIDAR standard, and how much
> effort / cost would be required to do so.
>
> The OSGeo community can then assess whether there is sufficient
> motivation to initiate such development of a standard.
>
> Patrick,
> For an Open Letter fro

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] New incubation procedure

[Cameron Shorter]

I recently came across a number of "Open Source Maturity Methodologies", 
which is worth being aware of, and possibly incorporating and/or 
referencing from OSGeo Incubation processes:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software_assessment_methodologies

On 27/02/2015 5:34 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:

It is also interesting to see the Apache incubator project list:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/

On 02/26/2015 08:24 PM, Tom Kralidis wrote:

Agreed.  I think there is an opportunity for OSGeo to become more
agile in this manner (hobu's recent Proj4 tweet really provided a wake
up call for me [1]):

- review principles/value proposition of becoming an OSGeo project
- update the process to be more agile for all involved (note that this
should not come at the cost of software quality)

Looking at Apache's project list [2] as an example tells me there is
an opportunity to grow.

..Tom

[1] https://twitter.com/howardbutler/status/569577495688663040
[2] http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html


[Incubator] [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
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I concur, this subject came up at the osgeo code-sprint last week - 
it is
very difficult project projects like MetaCRS and JTS to consider 
graduating

>from OSGeo due to our incubation requirements.
I would like to point out that projects should feel comfortable 
negotiating
a with the incubation committee. The MetaCRS projects may not be 
able to

demonstrate commercial viability using a range of contributing
organizations (our example in the checklist) but should be able to 
point
out the wide use downstream (so if PROJ goes under it is likely that 
the

work will in-fact continue).
--
Jody

--
Jody Garnett

On 16 February 2015 at 05:47, Stephen Woodbridge swoodbridge.com>

wrote:


On 2/16/2015 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:


Hi,

I would like to dig a bit more into the topic "more fine incubation"
procedure and former "OSGeo Labs" (now it has no name is slowly
forgotten in past, but you can find more at
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs)

I would like to start talk about it a bit (I suggest incubator 
mailing

list), prepared wiki page (with confusing name):
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating

Scope: to re-new OSGeo Labs, make the incubation process easier 
for all
of us, with more little steps (except for one big). Projects could 
flow
between the steps "up" and "down", related to their current living 
phase.


I hope, this would help to the community to get oriented, would allow
more projects to join in. Work for incubation committee and mentors
could be even less (some projects will remain in beta). It's also
related to the "certification" topic (even not people, but software).

Jachym


This makes a lot of sense to me. I am involved with a lot of smaller
projects that are valuable but unlikely to be able to stand on 
their own

because the community is weak.

pagc (geocoding) - this is all but dead as a project but out of it 
came a

core piece of technology the has been moved into postGIS Geocoder

pgRouting - driving directions and vehicle routing problems, we have
contributed 8+ GSoC mentors to OSGeo over the past years, but it 
has been

hard to get funding and volunteers to support ongoing development and
project releases. We have looked at incubation, but we do not have 
a strong

enough community to be able to graduate.

It would be good to have a way to foster projects like this and to 
look
for opportunities to merge smaller projects into larger ones that 
where
their might be a good fit. I think that we need to better recognize 
that
there will be projects that might not be able to stand on their own 
but
that they may also be fertile ground for development of good 
technology and

that mentoring and redirecting these projects could be a good way to
harvest this.

Anyway, something to think about ...


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Suchith Anand]

Colleagues,

I see these kind of developments also directly affecting Open Principles in Geo 
Education that "Geo for All" , OSGeo, ICA all stand for and are working 
together in our common mission of making geospatial education and opportunities 
accessible to all.

"Geo for All" will take a stand on this as it not only affects our Academic 
colleagues and students working in LIDAR research and teaching but will have 
long term impacts on Open Principles in Geo Education. We will work to put our 
ideas in the Open Letter from OSGeo explaining this.

"Geo for All" started from very humble beginnings and this was only possible 
because academic colleagues globally came together to change the status of Geo 
education. For decades even though there was great progress in GIS 
technologies, educational opportunities esp. in developing and poor countries 
were very small. This is now changing dramatically thanks to the efforts of our 
colleagues from Nepal to Uruguay.

We got excellent support from all sectors (universities, industry , governments 
etc) but to my surprise ESRI was the only proprietary vendor who was trying  to 
undermine this initiative indirectly from the very start. I still cannot 
understand why this particular vendor wants to do that. I really hope the 
proprietors of this company will also support Open Principles in Geo Education 
(not just telling externally on Openness but actually practicing this). We want 
to have good relations with everyone in the Geospatial domain , so our hand of 
friendship is always open. So please let us all work together.

Hardware costs are (and will) keep coming down, internet access is increasing 
(and will keep  increasing)  even in developing countries and with free and 
open source software, even poor schools in developing countries are getting 
small computer labs established ( i know this from my experience in India) .The 
convergence of all these factors with a great team of dedicated people is 
changing geoeducation forever.

I strongly believe access of good quality education is everyones birthright and 
now we are for first time in history getting opportunity to make this possible. 
We will not accept putting artificial barriers like high cost proprietary 
software (which quite frankly they won't be able to even think of affording) 
which will continue denying quality education opportunities for millions of 
students globally (both in developed and developing countries).

So why should i care? Because i learned one of the most important lessons in my 
life in my childhood from my grandmother (who though did not get the 
opportunity of "proper education" herself taught me the importance of the 
values of  sharing and about  "Vasudeva Kudumbam" which means "We all belong to 
one large Universal family" and " Geo for All" is for my Universal family and i 
will do everything in my abilities to make sure education opportunities are 
open to all.

Best wishes,

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
[ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter 
[cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 7:37 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Paul Ramsey; Carl Reed
Cc: P Kishor; Scott Simmons; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss]  The LAS format, the 
ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

What would strengthen a position for use of Open LIDAR interfaces would
be if such an Open LIDAR interface were introduced into the OGC
standards program.

Carl,
I'd be interested to hear you (or someone else from the OGC) explain how
people should approach initiating an Open LIDAR standard, and how much
effort / cost would be required to do so.

The OSGeo community can then assess whether there is sufficient
motivation to initiate such development of a standard.

Patrick,
For an Open Letter from OSGeo, it would be a very powerful statement if
we can list a number of influential organisations who will commit to
developing an open, interoperable standard. (This can be a section of
the open letter with signatures).

On 2/03/2015 4:57 am, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
> Paul,
> I would care to refine the 'yawn' context of 'doing the right thing,' that of 
> standing up to actions that directly contravene an organization's 'open 
> exchange' mission. This would seem the kind of *engaged integrity* quite 
> apart from one deserving a yawn. If your kids do something directly contrary 
> to what the family needs for a healthy exchange of information, if a yawn is 
> the response, there are even more serious issues at stake.
> -Patrick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:32 AM
> To: Carl Reed
> Cc: Cameron Shorter; P Kishor; Suchith Anand; Scott Simmons; OSGeo 
> Discussions; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); OSGeo-Board; 
> ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-D

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Paul Ramsey]

Carl,

No, it doesn't really clarify it. I think what people are wondering is
"does OGC have a default mission and position that closed formats are
bad for the industry and would it publicly admonish a member who took
actions that ran counter to that position".  I assume that, as a
"member driven organization" whose membership includes the offender,
the OGC will not be standing up and publicly saying "this company is
contravening the spirit of our organization and mission, that it is
supposedly supportive of".

Am I incorrect?

WRT to OSGeo, I think that black letter cases like this come along
infrequently enough that it would not be at all inappropriate for
OSGeo to publicly state what is wrong with the direction being taken
in the world of LAS formats. The only trouble is, it's exactly what
everyone expects we would do, and therefore will be greeted with a
collective yawn. But it is the right thing, so we should still do it.

ATB,

P.




On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Carl Reed  wrote:
> All -
>
> The OGC is not currently involved in activities related to defining or
> maintaining LIDAR specific modeling and related encoding standards. Any work
> the OGC has been doing WRT LIDAR is within the context of processing,
> visualization, and analytics. Obviously, existing OGC standards such as WCS
> and GMLJP2 can be used to encode and share small, processed LIDAR data sets.
> Feel free to check OGC email archives, project pages, and so forth for
> documentation on any ongoing discussions in the OGC related to LIDAR.
>
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows9/innovations.html : The thread
> participants looked at NITF, LIDAR, and DAP/OPeNDAP, and investigated their
> re-implementation in an OWS environment with a focus on the Web.
>
> or
>
> http://koenigstuhl.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/publications/bonn/conference/LanigGeoinformatik09.pdf
>
> for examples.
>
> Hope this clarifies the current OGC position.
>
> Regards
>
> Carl
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Suchith Anand
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 4:20 AM
> To: Cameron Shorter ; P Kishor ; Suchith Anand
> Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org ; Hogan, Patrick(ARC-PX) ; bo...@lists.osgeo.org
> ; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the
> ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
>
> Hi Cameron,
>
> Thank you for this excellent suggestion. I remember this previous
> Geoservices REST API issues and discussions.
>
> Patrick - Could you please start a wiki page and input as much information
> as you know on this (ideally in the same structure as the Geoservices REST
> API wiki ). Once it is ready, please email the community and OSGeo Board and
> we all can look into this.
>
> Anyone from OGC willing to help with this?
>
> I think this should be open letter from the OSGeo Board to the whole Geo
> community. I really hope this proprietary vendor (ESRI) will be decent
> enough to not keep repeating these inappropriate actions in the future.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> 
> From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:47 AM
> To: P Kishor; Suchith Anand
> Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); bo...@lists.osgeo.org;
> ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and
> the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
> Patrick, others,
> OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in
> stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API
>
> I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a vendor
> lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should consider developing
> a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate.
>
> 0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?)
> 1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well enough to
> describe them?)
> 2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the other,
> on both a technical and commercial point of view.
> 3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard?
> 4. If needed, collect signatures.
> 5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter
>
> On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote:
> Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for
> scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand
> mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to
> look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community
> as this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like
> minded organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this.
>
> Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's
> agenda items. Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> ___

[OSGeo-Discuss] "Geo for All" Regional and subject thematic groups now established

[Suchith Anand]

OSGeo Colleagues,

Thanks to Jorge and Anne's efforts and help for us, we now have the mail lists 
setup for our regional and subject thematic groups.

The chairs of these will also be the administrators of these groups.  Their 
details are at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geo_for_All

Chairs : please add this mail list url also to the respective wikisites also 
and start your activities with full impact. Thanks.


Region wise maillists

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-africa

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-asiaaustralia

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-europe

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-northamerica

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-southamerica


Subject areas/Thematic groups

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-urbanscience

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-spanish

http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geoforall-teachertraining


So please join the lists in your regions etc that you are interested and 
contribute your ideas, so that we can further build momentum for our Open Geo 
Education mission.

Best wishes,

Suchith



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Cameron,

Thank you for this excellent suggestion. I remember this previous Geoservices 
REST API issues and discussions.

Patrick - Could you please start a wiki page and input as much information as 
you know on this (ideally in the same structure as the Geoservices REST API 
wiki ). Once it is ready, please email the community and OSGeo Board and we all 
can look into this.

Anyone from OGC willing to help with this?

I think this should be open letter from the OSGeo Board to the whole Geo 
community. I really hope this proprietary vendor (ESRI) will be decent enough 
to not keep repeating these inappropriate actions in the future.

Best wishes,

Suchith


From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:47 AM
To: P Kishor; Suchith Anand
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); bo...@lists.osgeo.org; 
ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and 
the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

Patrick, others,
OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in stopping 
ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API

I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a vendor 
lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should consider developing a 
similar wiki page for the LAS format debate.

0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?)
1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well enough to 
describe them?)
2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the other, on 
both a technical and commercial point of view.
3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard?
4. If needed, collect signatures.
5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter

On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote:
Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for scrutiny 
by the entire community and we should all weigh in.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand 
mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi Patrick,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to 
look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community as 
this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like minded 
organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this.

Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's  
agenda items. Thanks.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: 
ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
 
[ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org]
 On Behalf Of Lene Fischer [l...@ign.ku.dk]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); 
ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by 
ESRI

+1


Lene Fischer
Associate Professor

Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management
University of Copenhagen

MOB +45 40115084
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Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

Dear OSGEO,
For what our good name is worth. . .
Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard for a data 
format?
Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and collective response 
encouraged.

Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values? I.e., “We 
hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are created equal, that 
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among 
these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Openness].”

The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/

[First paragraph]
We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another proprietary 
format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails, retold conversations, and 
personal experiences suggest that sneaky 
tactics are being used 
to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have enjoyed for many 
years.
[cid:image002.jpg@01D052C3.B23B1060]

Thanks much,
-Patrick

patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>
 Project Manager
NASA World Wind
(650) 604-5656 (office)

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Cameron Shorter]

Patrick, others,
OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in 
stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API


I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a 
vendor lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should consider 
developing a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate.


0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?)
1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well 
enough to describe them?)
2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the 
other, on both a technical and commercial point of view.

3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard?
4. If needed, collect signatures.
5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter

On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote:
Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for 
scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand 
> wrote:


Hi Patrick,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo
Board need to look into this and prepare a position paper with
inputs from the community as this has wider implications. This
also need to be discussed with like minded organisations. We all
can provide the needed support for this.

Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board
meeting's  agenda items. Thanks.

Best wishes,

Suchith



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[ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
] On Behalf Of Lene
Fischer [l...@ign.ku.dk ]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org

Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the
“LAZ clone” by ESRI

+1


Lene Fischer
Associate Professor

Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management
University of Copenhagen

MOB +45 40115084 
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Fra: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org

[mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
] På vegne af
Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48
Til: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org

Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ
clone” by ESRI

Dear OSGEO,
For what our good name is worth. . .
Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open
standard for a data format?
Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and
collective response encouraged.

Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values?
I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data]
are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
certain unalienable Rights, that among these [is Life, Liberty and
the pursuit of Openness].”

The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/

[First paragraph]
We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another
proprietary format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails,
retold conversations, and personal experiences suggest that sneaky
tactics are
being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we
have enjoyed for many years.
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Thanks much,
-Patrick

patrick.ho...@nasa.gov
>
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