Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Opticks Website Down?

[Norman Vine]

On Mar 8, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Regie Alam  wrote:
> That happened to me too.
> 
> Regie
> 

Same here 

I have emailed the optics dev list of this

Hopefully someone will get back to me


> On Mar 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Jeff Ruby"  wrote:
> Does anyone know what's up with the Opticks website?  I want to download the 
> latest version but opticks.org redirects to some zulip/notcows.com site.  
> It's been this way for awhile.
> 
> Thanks much,
> -Jeff
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Opticks Website Down?

[Regie Alam]

That happened to me too.

Regie
On Mar 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Jeff Ruby"  wrote:

> Does anyone know what's up with the Opticks website?  I want to download
> the latest version but opticks.org redirects to some zulip/notcows.com site.
> It's been this way for awhile.
>
> Thanks much,
> -Jeff
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Opticks Website Down?

[Jeff Ruby]

Does anyone know what's up with the Opticks website?  I want to download
the latest version but opticks.org redirects to some zulip/notcows.com site.
It's been this way for awhile.

Thanks much,
-Jeff
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Buildbot resurrection, again (was: how did the Paris code sprint go)

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 8 March 2016 at 19:42, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 03:32:54PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> I second the idea of build boxes being very important to the well being of
>> projects. I was not aware that OSGeo had been running one, or that it had
>> been taken away.
>
> It was set up by Mateusz, did run wonderfully and got later
> discontinued during some sort of upgrade, I think.

AFAIR, it was combination of resources shortage, migration from
Peer1 to new infrastructure, etc...and the gradual duty take over by
the Travis CI/AppVeyor and alike

> He can surely add some more info. Chances are there's still a
> configuration around, possibly even under revision control.

https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/buildbot/

> Right now we have nothing ready to offer to those users that would
> like to donate some of their machines time to ensure PostGIS works
> on their system.

Has there been any poll to see what is potential number of such nodes
willing to connect?

>> Sandro we are setting up priorities for the foundation, I really encourage
>> you to take part and submit a PostGIS build box as an idea. I know the real
>> stop gap is volunteer time, I would hope such a useful idea would attract
>> people.
>
> I recall the OSGeo buildbot was not postgis-specific.
> Mateusz did layout a flexible configuration serving multiple projects.

It was flexible, but still not optimal.
However, IMHO, features offered to required resources ratio would never
beat what FOSS projects have got offered by Travis CI/AppVeyor.

I have already expressed my opinion [1] that I see resurrection of
OSGeo Buildbot a waste of resources.

Even OSGeo hosted GitLab + GitLab CI does not seem resource
efficient, unless majority of OSGeo projects say they would move
from OSgeo SVN (and GitHub too).

No critical mass, nothing to discuss.

[1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1214#comment:3

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 03:32:54PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
> I second the idea of build boxes being very important to the well being of
> projects. I was not aware that OSGeo had been running one, or that it had
> been taken away.

It was set up by Mateusz, did run wonderfully and got later
discontinued during some sort of upgrade, I think.

He can surely add some more info. Chances are there's still a
configuration around, possibly even under revision control.

> I assume you have looked at solutions like Travis which are "free" to open
> source (in exchange for the advertising they get by being exposed to your
> developer and community).

We are already using both Travis and GitLab-ci, from hosted services,
plus our own instace of Jenkins (run by Robe). And doing our own
"waterfall" display manually, with trac wiki syntax:
https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/

Nothing compared to the real BuildBot waterfall we used to have.

Right now we have nothing ready to offer to those users that would
like to donate some of their machines time to ensure PostGIS works
on their system. Who championed Jenkins did so mentioning it would
have been much easier to maintain than BuildBot, but that specific
service of plugging in new slaves was never brought up again.

> Boundless, CSIRO, and GeoSolutions provided build boxes for GeoServer
> (testing different integration functionality important to their business).
> They are invaluable to keeping quality up.

Hooked to Jenkins ? Or Travis ?

> Sandro we are setting up priorities for the foundation, I really encourage
> you to take part and submit a PostGIS build box as an idea. I know the real
> stop gap is volunteer time, I would hope such a useful idea would attract
> people.

I recall the OSGeo buildbot was not postgis-specific.
Mateusz did layout a flexible configuration serving multiple projects.

It's not the _slaves_ I'm after, but the _master_ configuration.
Slaves could be found in each of the project communities, I'd think.

--strk;

> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 7:17 AM Mateusz Loskot  wrote:
> 
> > On 8 March 2016 at 12:19, Oliver Courtin 
> > wrote:
> > > Le 8 mars 2016 à 09:34, Sandro Santilli a écrit :
> > >>
> > >> Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated [..]
> > >> but is just to stress out that it doesn't
> > >> take being in the same room at the same time to move a project forward.
> > >
> > > Obviously we tried to get some fun (in Paris). And hope we did.
> > >
> > > But real point is to share time together with projects in mind.
> > > Point is to strengthen, again, devs community.
> >
> > Oliver,
> >
> > I've done it in person but I'd like to repeat here too:
> > you've done amazing job organizing the Paris sprint.
> >
> > It was a perfect combination of work and fun which also,
> > AFAIS, was very productive event for the numerous projects.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Even Rouault]

Jonathan,

if you feel OSGeo should have an environmental policy, you could certainly 
propose one for consideration by the larger community, and then volunteer to 
champion to make it adopted, and enforce it afterwards.

Even

> 
> 
>  On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:01:19 + Daniel
> Morissettedmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote 
> 
> On 2016-03-08 8:37 AM, Jonathan Moules wrote:
> 
>  Looking at the participant list, that Paris code-sprint entailed at
>  least 10 transatlantic flights and probably at least that many
>  short-haul (pan-Europe) flights too (which have higher emissions
>  profiles per passenger mile). I don't doubt a lot of useful work was
>  done, but was the quantity and quality of the work so much superior to
>  the normal-work-from-home/office option that it was worth the
>  considerable extra pollution that the sprint generated?
> 
>  This is obviously not something that can be easily quantified
> (although  I'm sure a few PhD's are trying), but I believe it should
> be considered  when these sorts of events are sponsored. Otherwise you
> can easily end  up with a Tragedy of the Commons situation.
>  A quick search doesn't find any sort of
>  ethical/green/social-responsibility policy on OSGeo's pages...
> 
> 
> 
> Um... very good point. On that note, I wonder if we should consider
> canceling the international FOSS4G which has an even worse impact since
> we're talking of hundreds of useless flights only to get people to watch
> a couple of conferences and share their latest project news.
> 
> Conferences and meetings could be streamed and delivered using hangouts
> after all. Why did we not think of that before?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Jonathan Moules]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman


 On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:01:19 + Daniel 
Morissettedmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote  

On 2016-03-08 8:37 AM, Jonathan Moules wrote:

 Looking at the participant list, that Paris code-sprint entailed at
 least 10 transatlantic flights and probably at least that many
 short-haul (pan-Europe) flights too (which have higher emissions
 profiles per passenger mile). I don't doubt a lot of useful work was
 done, but was the quantity and quality of the work so much superior to
 the normal-work-from-home/office option that it was worth the
 considerable extra pollution that the sprint generated?

 This is obviously not something that can be easily quantified (although
 I'm sure a few PhD's are trying), but I believe it should be considered
 when these sorts of events are sponsored. Otherwise you can easily end
 up with a Tragedy of the Commons situation.
 A quick search doesn't find any sort of
 ethical/green/social-responsibility policy on OSGeo's pages...



Um... very good point. On that note, I wonder if we should consider 
canceling the international FOSS4G which has an even worse impact since 
we're talking of hundreds of useless flights only to get people to watch 
a couple of conferences and share their latest project news.

Conferences and meetings could be streamed and delivered using hangouts 
after all. Why did we not think of that before?


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Jody Garnett]

I second the idea of build boxes being very important to the well being of
projects. I was not aware that OSGeo had been running one, or that it had
been taken away.

I assume you have looked at solutions like Travis which are "free" to open
source (in exchange for the advertising they get by being exposed to your
developer and community).

Boundless, CSIRO, and GeoSolutions provided build boxes for GeoServer
(testing different integration functionality important to their business).
They are invaluable to keeping quality up.

Sandro we are setting up priorities for the foundation, I really encourage
you to take part and submit a PostGIS build box as an idea. I know the real
stop gap is volunteer time, I would hope such a useful idea would attract
people.
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 7:17 AM Mateusz Loskot  wrote:

> On 8 March 2016 at 12:19, Oliver Courtin 
> wrote:
> > Le 8 mars 2016 à 09:34, Sandro Santilli a écrit :
> >>
> >> Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated [..]
> >> but is just to stress out that it doesn't
> >> take being in the same room at the same time to move a project forward.
> >
> > Obviously we tried to get some fun (in Paris). And hope we did.
> >
> > But real point is to share time together with projects in mind.
> > Point is to strengthen, again, devs community.
>
> Oliver,
>
> I've done it in person but I'd like to repeat here too:
> you've done amazing job organizing the Paris sprint.
>
> It was a perfect combination of work and fun which also,
> AFAIS, was very productive event for the numerous projects.
>
> Best regards,
> --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 8 March 2016 at 12:19, Oliver Courtin  wrote:
> Le 8 mars 2016 à 09:34, Sandro Santilli a écrit :
>>
>> Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated [..]
>> but is just to stress out that it doesn't
>> take being in the same room at the same time to move a project forward.
>
> Obviously we tried to get some fun (in Paris). And hope we did.
>
> But real point is to share time together with projects in mind.
> Point is to strengthen, again, devs community.

Oliver,

I've done it in person but I'd like to repeat here too:
you've done amazing job organizing the Paris sprint.

It was a perfect combination of work and fun which also,
AFAIS, was very productive event for the numerous projects.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Daniel Morissette]

On 2016-03-08 8:37 AM, Jonathan Moules wrote:


Looking at the participant list, that Paris code-sprint entailed at
least 10 transatlantic flights and probably at least that many
short-haul (pan-Europe) flights too (which have higher emissions
profiles per passenger mile). I don't doubt a lot of useful work was
done, but was the quantity and quality of the work so much superior to
the normal-work-from-home/office option that it was worth the
considerable extra pollution that the sprint generated?

This is obviously not something that can be easily quantified (although
I'm sure a few PhD's are trying), but I believe it should be considered
when these sorts of events are sponsored. Otherwise you can easily end
up with a Tragedy of the Commons situation.
A quick search doesn't find any sort of
ethical/green/social-responsibility policy on OSGeo's pages...




Um... very good point. On that note, I wonder if we should consider 
canceling the international FOSS4G which has an even worse impact since 
we're talking of hundreds of useless flights only to get people to watch 
a couple of conferences and share their latest project news.


Conferences and meetings could be streamed and delivered using hangouts 
after all. Why did we not think of that before?



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Jonathan Moules]

Hi Oliver,
I can certainly see how meeting would help communities; as you say, that's how 
humans work. But what about the even bigger (global) community?

Looking at the participant list, that Paris code-sprint entailed at least 10 
transatlantic flights and probably at least that many short-haul (pan-Europe) 
flights too (which have higher emissions profiles per passenger mile). I don't 
doubt a lot of useful work was done, but was the quantity and quality of the 
work so much superior to the normal-work-from-home/office option that it was 
worth the considerable extra pollution that the sprint generated?

This is obviously not something that can be easily quantified (although I'm 
sure a few PhD's are trying), but I believe it should be considered when these 
sorts of events are sponsored. Otherwise you can easily end up with a Tragedy 
of the Commons situation.
A quick search doesn't find any sort of ethical/green/social-responsibility 
policy on OSGeo's pages...

Cheers,
Jonathan

(p.s. excellent use of "anchorite" - I can't say I've seen that word before!)

 On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:19:15 + Oliver 
Courtinolivier.cour...@oslandia.com wrote  

Le 8 mars 2016 à 09:34, Sandro Santilli a écrit :

Sandro,


 This is not to say that Paul work wasn't needed 

Thanks for him ^^

And he -also- did a great job, with leading several devs 
who never yet send code to PostGIS trunk (but really motivated to).

Kind of thing that can't really be done remotely.
Kind of thing we could hope lead to enlarge later PostGIS devs circle.

 Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated [..]
 but is just to stress out that it doesn't
 take being in the same room at the same time to move a project forward.

Obviously we tried to get some fun (in Paris). And hope we did.


But real point is to share time together with projects in mind.
Point is to strengthen, again, devs community.

Because beside code, there's humans.
And humans who truly need to cooperate.




And we know since the very first C tribe sprint in Toronto (thanks Paul),
that once a year spending few days together is valuable for our projects.

Because no, moving a project forward is not -only- a closing tickets stuff.



You didn't want to come Sandro, this time, for your own reasons, 
and i'm fine with that, and respect it.
(even if you missed, at the very least on PostGIS talks).


But if anachoret way of life could be an answer for a single,
it's something that can hardly be for a community.
:)


 but I think reliable infrastructure to improve open collaboration
 is still the best investiment for a software foundation.


Why an OR ?
It have to be an AND.


O.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 07:03:31PM +, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

> A truly exemplary individual effort for all sprinters, 
> for how great work well precedes the sprint itself, 
> allowing Paul to make the most of this coding event. 

It might be of interest that the bug which kept Paul busy for 70%
of his time was spotted by me 6 weeks before the sprint [1] and
analyzed by me [2] during the sprint. And I also provided a fix
during the sprint [3].

This is not to say that Paul work wasn't needed (he did a great
work modernizing the module inizialization code and backporting
the fix in all branches) but is just to stress out that it doesn't
take being in the same room at the same time to move a project
forward.

Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated
(hint: you can pay me a movie theater via bitcoin or paypal)
but I think reliable infrastructure to improve open collaboration
is still the best investiment for a software foundation.

For example, we lost the OSGeo BuildBot instance long time ago
and I'm still missing it [4]. The OSGeo BuildBot infrastructure allowed
any user or packager of every OSGeo project to plug a machine to
the system in order to ensure compatibility of the software with
that specific machine. At the moment, as more and more projects
move to the proprietary-backed "github" infrastructure, most testing
reduced to a specific version of an "ubuntu" system, with some
custom-crafted solutions in each project (Jenkins for PostGIS, Dash
for QGIS, ...).

Maybe we should get all build bots togheter in a room somewhere on
the planet and fill them with beer. It might work :P

[1] https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/ticket/3429
[2] https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/ticket/3429#comment:26
[3] https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/ticket/3429#comment:29
[4] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1214

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FDO Oracle driver

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 08/03/2016 09:08, Johan Van de Wauw ha scritto:
> All providers can be found in svn.
> 
> Check kingoracle:
> https://svn.osgeo.org/fdo/trunk/Providers/

Thanks Johan.
All the best.

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