Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] R: [Geo4All] Ideas for the building global research agenda for Geospatial Data Science - Telemeeting link for those connecting remotely

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Suchith,

I won't be able to attend this meeting, but have suggestions for the 
item: "Ideas for Education programs for Geospatial Data Science".



I believe that the educational initiatives would benefit from 
coordinated collaboration, processes similar to those used in software 
development, with periodic release cycles, development guidelines and 
templates, and quality control etc.


Most on this list would have seen me suggest that training initiatives 
could build upon OSGeo-Live processes [1], so I won't go into detail here.


The key element to determine is whether there is a sponsor willing to 
step up with sponsorship of a paid resource to make this happen. (I 
believe it extends the bandwidth of volunteer time).



[1] 
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html


On 25/3/17 6:18 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
I will try to join, but I'm available only after 16:30-16:45. Have a 
good meeting!

Maria



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 Messaggio originale 
Da: Suchith Anand 
Data: 25/03/17 07:55 (GMT+01:00)
A: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, geofor...@lists.osgeo.org
Oggetto: Re: [Geo4All] Ideas for the building global research agenda 
for Geospatial Data Science - Telemeeting link for those connecting 
remotely


Hi All,

The meeting is on April 5 from 16:00-17:30 (Barcelona time).

Meeting joining link is  at 
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/853681141 




You can also dial in using your phone.
Access Code: 853-681-141

Details to connect at 
https://www.rd-alliance.org/ig-geospatial-rda-9th-plenary-meeting



Looking forward to see you all then.

Best wishes,

Suchith


From: Anand Suchith
Sent: 24 March 2017 11:05 AM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; geofor...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Ideas for the building global research agenda for Geospatial 
Data Science


Dear colleague,

The Geospatial IG of the Research Data Alliance will be meeting in 
Barcelona on 5th April 2017 to keep building ideas for the global 
research agenda for Geospatial Data Science.I am pleased to send the 
final meeting agenda and invite all interested to join.


The meeting objectives are to :

* Discussions on Geospatial Data Science - Vision 2030 [1]
* Plan next steps from OpenCitySmart and UrbanGeoBigData [2]
* Ideas for Education programs for Geospatial Data Science
* Discuss Ideas for starting new WGs in Transport Data

Meeting agenda

This meeting aims to build upon our previous meetings and draft agenda 
below


* Updates on Geospatial IG - Suchith Anand (GODAN/University of 
Nottingham)
* Discussions on new WG in Transport Data that is in progress - Beth 
Zeitler (Millennium Challenge Corporation, USA)
* Coverage: Standards for Big Earth Data - Peter Baumann (Jacobs 
University)
* Enabling the re-use of spatial information across domains - Andrea 
Perego (JRC, European Commission)

* Copernicus EU Programme - Andrea Perego (JRC, European Commission)
* Joint W3C/OGC Spatial Data on the Web WG - Andrea Perego (JRC, 
European Commission)
* Discussions on Geospatial Data Science - Vision 2030 - chaired by 
Suchith Anand (GODAN/University of Nottingham)
* The Rise of OpenStreetMap as a World Mapping Agency [3] - 
discussions chaired by Suchith Anand (GODAN/University of Nottingham)
* NASA Europa Challenge 2017 and OpenCitySmart updates - Suchith Anand 
(GODAN/University of Nottingham)
* Updates on Capacity Development from IGAD meeting - Suchith Anand 
(GODAN/University of Nottingham)

* Ideas/updates on Training programs for Geospatial Data Science - All
* Ideas for specific actions /new WGs in Geospatial IG - All

There will be gotomeeting facility for those interested to join 
remotely. I am waiting for the RDA hosts to send me the details of 
this and it will updated in the main website at


https://www.rd-alliance.org/ig-geospatial-rda-9th-plenary-meeting


I look forward to welcome you all for productive discussions and 
actions for building  the global research agenda for Geospatial Data 
Science.


Best wishes,

Suchith



[1] 
http://www.geoconnexion.com/uploads/publication_pdfs/uk_v15i18-058-059-Op951AF3.pdf 



[2] 
https://www.devex.com/news/how-nasa-and-the-un-are-using-location-intelligence-to-build-smart-cities-in-developing-countries-89721 



[3] 
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2017/03/the-rise-of-openstreetmap-as-a-world-mapping-agency/ 





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[Steven Feldman]

Suchith

You mention "high cost of GIS software procurement for governments”. I am not 
sure how you are measuring this “high” cost and against what? For most local 
government bodies (in the developed world) I would expect the cost of GI 
software to be 0.1% to 0.2% of total budget and less for a central government 
department. I don’t consider this to be “high” but of course as taxpayers many 
of us would like expenditure to be lower whether it is on software or people or 
...

My experience of procurement is based on the UK but probably applies to much of 
Europe. All but the smallest procurements are governed by EU regulations and 
are pretty testing for vendors (regardless of whether they offer proprietary or 
open source solutions) and have a high degree of transparency and fairness. 
Typically cost will be one of the two main criteria on which bids are 
evaluated, the other being quality.

The gvSIG community is impressive, on what do you base "created  thousands of  
jobs”? That is more than I estimated for the whole FOSS4G ecosystem last year. 

I agree that in circumstances where an organisation wants to deploy thousands 
of desktops, an open source GI desktop may well save money compared to the cost 
of a proprietary licensed product particularly if the organisation can provide 
training and support from internal resources. This could be the case in the 
education sector. But, and this is a big but most government departments are 
moving away from desktop GI to server based solutions and in those 
circumstances the costs of implementation, integration, support and hosting 
will substantially exceed any costs of licenses.

I spend much of my working time advocating and marketing open source GI and, in 
the past, I have also built a very successful business based on proprietary 
software. The choices that customers make are based on a wide range of 
criteria, there is no one right choice and it is a misunderstanding of 
sophisticated buyers to suggest that they have in some way been mislead by 
vendors whether they are proprietary or open source.

Let’s grow the usage of Open Source GI through positive advocacy of its 
benefits, investment of time and money in high quality marketing and an 
understanding of and respect for the strengths of our competitors.

Best
__
Steven


> On 26 Mar 2017, at 07:53, Suchith Anand  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steven,
> 
> Thank you for your email and information.  I am an educator and researcher. I 
>  have zero knowledge or expertise in software sales or software procurement  
> .I do not know the answers but i am sure by harnessing the collective wisdom 
> of the community we will be able find the best ideas  for bringing down high 
> cost of GIS software procurement for governments for cost savings of tax 
> payer money and create innovation opportunities for all.
> 
> There needs to be detailed study on how we can bring down high GIS software 
> costs  for govenments worldwide . Governments are are one of the biggest 
> spenders and it is all hardworking taxpayers money from cleaners to teachers, 
> hence it is important to think of cost savings . My gut feeling is if there 
> are open and transparent procurement systems and lot of competition (no 
> vendor monopolies), then GIS software implementation costs will come down and 
> also create lot of innovation and value added opportunities for big companies 
> as well as SMEs. There need to be best practice sharing  globally. For 
> example i  am interested to understand more about  gvSIG ecosystem[1] in 
> Spain and other similar examples . gvSIG didn't create any Billionaires or 
> multi Billionaires (that was not its purpose) but it did create lot of 
> innovation  , helped  local governments , created  thousands of  jobs and a 
> vibrant ecosystem and community. More importanly for me, it helped create 
> gvSIG Batovi which went on to provide high quality spatial education 
> opportunities for millions of poor students in Uruguay and other countries.
> 
> I know good examples of large scale IT projects done with low cost in my 
> state Kerala in India ( we are a developing country with lot of resource 
> constraints ). For example IT@School project [1]  (which is World’s largest 
> simultaneous deployment of FOSS based ICT education). It is running for over 
> a decade now benifitting over 12,000 schools,  about 60 lakh students, 6 
> million students and 20 teachers.There are costs for implementation, 
> customisation (we have local language- Malayalam), integration, training, 
> ongoing support, maintenance and it is all done locally and innovation 
> ecosystems have been created locally.   More importantly we can scale this up 
> easily to millions of schools as needed and there is no fear of vendor lock 
> -in. Thank God that major software vendors or sellers  didn't get involved in 
> this! 
> 
> So as i told my knowledge in this is very limited, so i am depending on 
> experts like you to help guide me