Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What Open Government can learn from us Open Source folks

[Dirk Frigne]

Cameron,

Nice initiative.
Now it is a bit to late for me, but if you can grant me review access, I
will review and comment tommorow.

Dirk.

On 26-02-18 22:52, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> The Australian Government has asked for feedback on how they are going
> at Open Government, and I've started a draft response. I'm really keen
> to make sure that this response is well constructed because I think that
> if listened to, understood, and acted upon, then we can make a huge
> difference to the effectiveness of Open Government worldwide - and by
> extension, to Open Source as well.
> 
> If you have a chance to read and provide review comments, I'd be very
> grateful. Email me directly to get review access.
> 
> (It will take ~ 10 minutes to read. Longer if you take time to think
> about how things should be reworded and consider what is missing and
> should be included.)
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#heading=h.5zu4u4o3l7zi
> 
> 

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[Cameron Shorter]

The Australian Government has asked for feedback on how they are going 
at Open Government, and I've started a draft response. I'm really keen 
to make sure that this response is well constructed because I think that 
if listened to, understood, and acted upon, then we can make a huge 
difference to the effectiveness of Open Government worldwide - and by 
extension, to Open Source as well.


If you have a chance to read and provide review comments, I'd be very 
grateful. Email me directly to get review access.


(It will take ~ 10 minutes to read. Longer if you take time to think 
about how things should be reworded and consider what is missing and 
should be included.)


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#heading=h.5zu4u4o3l7zi

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

[Mark Iliffe]

Arnulf,

Personally, I'm annoyed with that response - I was halfway through
responding and you've articulated my personal thoughts in a much more
concise and good manner - thank you!! :-)

All,

I would request people to engage as much as possible at this years (and
subsequent years!) FOSS4G. We have an exciting program and we are bringing
together as diverse a community as possible - this year's FOSS4G is in Dar
es Salaam - our mission is to raise awareness of our community and provide
the fullest opportunity of our community to geospatially enable our planet
in the future. With the future that we have, over 1 billion people in
extreme poverty, unchecked urban population growth, climate change and
other challenges, our time is now - we can all work together to deliver the
best possible outcomes for FOSS4G and OSGeo.

Cheers,

Mark

On 26 February 2018 at 12:23, Seven (aka Arnulf)  wrote:

> Folks,
> we have seriously discussed this over and again to the point of boredom.
> Still, I am happy that the topic comes up again and again because it shows
> that people are alert. Good.
>
> Having said that, we need to be as precise as possible in our terms and
> definitions. Every now and then this blurs over.
>
> Therefore allow me to give a quick primer: When we say "Open Source" and
> "Free Software" we basically mean the same thing: Software that is licensed
> under one of the 40+ officially respected licenses ranging from the GNU GPL
> over BSD and MIT to the WTFPL.
>
> Please refrain from using the term "Open Software" because it is imprecise
> and only good to confuse people. Do not say "closed Software" either
> because it may imply that it is more secure (like "locked" and "safe").
> Most evilly wrong: Never say "Commercial Software" because it connotes that
> we cannot do business with Open Source and that commercial enterprises
> cannot use it to make money which is both wrong and hurts commercial
> development of Open Source businesses. The opposite to Free and Open Source
> Software Licenses are proprietary licenses (and believe me, proprietary
> vendors hate this term).
>
> We should not make the impression that there is no business to be done
> with Open Source software. People have to understand that we do not charge
> fees for licenses and give the software away for free - but that we do
> charge fees for developing and maintaining it, when we actually "do"
> something. This can be maintenance, development, training, SLA-contracts,
> implementing the newest standard or whatever else may come up, you know how
> 95% of IT-revenue is done. Only a fraction of 5% really come from
> proprietary licenses, not more!
>
> Next: When we say "Open Source" and "Free Software" we also often "mean" a
> lot of additional things. One very dear to OSGeo is "community based" and
> "good governance". But this is not necessarily part of the license! It is
> only our interpretation of how Open Source should be done (and I totally
> believe in it).
>
> We should also be clear that anybody can use and support Free and Open
> Source Software for any purpose. This explicitly includes Esri and Oracle
> and Microsoft and all the other proprietary vendors. And why not?
>
> How do we deal with them at a conference? Like any other business. If they
> like we even invite them to a plenary talk, get a versed speaker from our
> trenches and let him or her publicly dissect all their proprietary
> arguments. This gives Open Source a much better voice than to just to ban
> them. They know we are so good at doing this that you will even have a hard
> time getting anyone on a plenary at all.
>
> We have also publicly invited proprietary brethren to participate in
> performance shoot-outs and the result was invariable showing how good we
> are. This is much cooler and shows much more self-efficacy than denying
> entry to anybody.
>
> Autodesk has tried to go Open Source and they basically failed. But they
> funded the fledgling OSGeo Foundation and now look at where we are.
>
> It appears that we are still not done educating folks who are still stuck
> on proprietary stacks.
>
> Lastly, how do we prevent an evil proprietary vendor from luring our
> conference attendees into believing that proprietary software is better
> than Open Source? Well, let them give a talk and if they say anything
> stupid or even wrong about Open Source they will be ripped to little pieces
> by the audience, believe me.
>
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Seven
>
>
>
> Am 26.02.2018 um 17:03 schrieb Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX):
>
> Sergio,
>
> I for one am delighted to hear your well expressed concern. In point of
> fact, ESRI certainly has no real interest in open source. They are there to
> make as much money as possible and don’t mind playing rough to get it. That
> is not to suggest we cannot find ways to live and even work together.
> Though like you said and said well “This approach should make OSGeo more
> alert.” On another but related issue, 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

[Jeff McKenna]

Hi Stefano,

It is hard to add points here that aren't covered by the responses from 
all of the community leaders speaking here (even just considering 
everyone's backgrounds who are speaking here is quite fascinating, and a 
great sign of our passion for FOSS4G).


I only want to encourage this sharing, sharing your thoughts, asking 
questions and listening.  I think you asked a good question, that is 
quite healthy to discuss here with the community.


To be honest, when Venka, Markus and I first discussed creating a global 
"FOSS4G" event in 2004 we really had no idea where it would take us, or 
how it would go on to change the whole industry and spread across the 
whole globe.  But how did that happen?  Was it because we were so 
structured in what we required for a FOSS4G?  Opposite in fact: it 
spread because of our passion and openness: everyone from anywhere was 
welcome to share, laugh, learn, and be open.


I have personally moved my efforts from the global events to the smaller 
regional FOSS4G events, but the OSGeo Conference Committee is doing a 
good job in managing the FOSS4G-global process. Can things be 
improved/adapted as we all grow together?  Absolutely!  And part of that 
is talking and sharing ideas and concerns.


I find that when the topic of money comes up things become very 
delicate.  OSGeo Boards have been discussing sponsorship and revenue for 
a long time, and it is not easy as the OSGeo foundation needs money for 
infrastructure, but where should that revenue come from, should it come 
from a big global FOSS4G, or some other source?  Sponsorship is just one 
way (and we can always improve on those sponsorship requirements too).


Your question brings up more and more questions.  And I don't have the 
answers.  But talking about this is a good thing, as it shows that you 
and the community members care.


Please though know that you are not alone, you are big part of the 
passionate OSGeo community and your voice matters.


Thanks for this, I really appreciate hearing from you and everyone else.

Love,

-jeff







On 2018-02-25 10:26 AM, Stefano Campus wrote:

Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) 
but sometimes...


Thank you for your reply

Stefano Campus



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[Seven (aka Arnulf)]

Folks,
we have seriously discussed this over and again to the point of boredom.
Still, I am happy that the topic comes up again and again because it
shows that people are alert. Good.

Having said that, we need to be as precise as possible in our terms and
definitions. Every now and then this blurs over.

Therefore allow me to give a quick primer: When we say "Open Source" and
"Free Software" we basically mean the same thing: Software that is
licensed under one of the 40+ officially respected licenses ranging from
the GNU GPL over BSD and MIT to the WTFPL.

Please refrain from using the term "Open Software" because it is
imprecise and only good to confuse people. Do not say "closed Software"
either because it may imply that it is more secure (like "locked" and
"safe"). Most evilly wrong: Never say "Commercial Software" because it
connotes that we cannot do business with Open Source and that commercial
enterprises cannot use it to make money which is both wrong and hurts
commercial development of Open Source businesses. The opposite to Free
and Open Source Software Licenses are proprietary licenses (and believe
me, proprietary vendors hate this term).

We should not make the impression that there is no business to be done
with Open Source software. People have to understand that we do not
charge fees for licenses and give the software away for free - but that
we do charge fees for developing and maintaining it, when we actually
"do" something. This can be maintenance, development, training,
SLA-contracts, implementing the newest standard or whatever else may
come up, you know how 95% of IT-revenue is done. Only a fraction of 5%
really come from proprietary licenses, not more!

Next: When we say "Open Source" and "Free Software" we also often "mean"
a lot of additional things. One very dear to OSGeo is "community based"
and "good governance". But this is not necessarily part of the license!
It is only our interpretation of how Open Source should be done (and I
totally believe in it).

We should also be clear that anybody can use and support Free and Open
Source Software for any purpose. This explicitly includes Esri and
Oracle and Microsoft and all the other proprietary vendors. And why not?

How do we deal with them at a conference? Like any other business. If
they like we even invite them to a plenary talk, get a versed speaker
from our trenches and let him or her publicly dissect all their
proprietary arguments. This gives Open Source a much better voice than
to just to ban them. They know we are so good at doing this that you
will even have a hard time getting anyone on a plenary at all.

We have also publicly invited proprietary brethren to participate in
performance shoot-outs and the result was invariable showing how good we
are. This is much cooler and shows much more self-efficacy than denying
entry to anybody.

Autodesk has tried to go Open Source and they basically failed. But they
funded the fledgling OSGeo Foundation and now look at where we are.

It appears that we are still not done educating folks who are still
stuck on proprietary stacks.

Lastly, how do we prevent an evil proprietary vendor from luring our
conference attendees into believing that proprietary software is better
than Open Source? Well, let them give a talk and if they say anything
stupid or even wrong about Open Source they will be ripped to little
pieces by the audience, believe me.


Thanks for listening.

Seven


Am 26.02.2018 um 17:03 schrieb Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX):
>
> Sergio,
>
> I for one am delighted to hear your well expressed concern. In point
> of fact, ESRI certainly has no real interest in open source. They are
> there to make as much money as possible and don’t mind playing rough
> to get it. That is not to suggest we cannot find ways to live and even
> work together. Though like you said and said well “This approach
> should make OSGeo more alert.” On another but related issue, I am
> still curious as to where ESRI and the OS community are on LiDAR
> format and compression as ^one^ open standard.
>
> -Patrick
>
>  
>
> *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
> *SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA
> *Sent:* Monday, February 26, 2018 7:03 AM
> *To:* María Arias de Reyna; André Cruvinel Resende
> *Cc:* OSGeo Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship
>
>  
>
> Stefano, certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have
> expressed my concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto were
> sponsoring an organic food event. I don't think ESRI (or Google or IBM
> or others) approaches OSGeo innocently. This approach should make
> OSGeo more alert. And distrust their intentions. I remember that some
> years ago ESRI did not let gvSIG people even assist an ESRI
> conference. And now what has changed? That the FOSS4G movement is now
> "cool". So it makes these companies present themselves as OS ("we
> support the OS movement, we even sponsor their events", even "we are
> OS") and 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Sergio,
I for one am delighted to hear your well expressed concern. In point of fact, 
ESRI certainly has no real interest in open source. They are there to make as 
much money as possible and don’t mind playing rough to get it. That is not to 
suggest we cannot find ways to live and even work together. Though like you 
said and said well “This approach should make OSGeo more alert.” On another but 
related issue, I am still curious as to where ESRI and the OS community are on 
LiDAR format and compression as ^one^ open standard.
-Patrick

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of SERGIO 
ACOSTAYLARA
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:03 AM
To: María Arias de Reyna; André Cruvinel Resende
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship


Stefano, certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have expressed my 
concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto were sponsoring an organic food 
event. I don't think ESRI (or Google or IBM or others) approaches OSGeo 
innocently. This approach should make OSGeo more alert. And distrust their 
intentions. I remember that some years ago ESRI did not let gvSIG people even 
assist an ESRI conference. And now what has changed? That the FOSS4G movement 
is now "cool". So it makes these companies present themselves as OS ("we 
support the OS movement, we even sponsor their events", even "we are OS") and 
it is easier for them to enter certain places (later it is more difficult for 
them to leave). Maybe these companies should be asked something more than money 
in exchange for sponsoring the FOSS4G. And see how far they can get with that 
support to the FOSS4G movement...

​
Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/

De: Discuss 
> en 
nombre de María Arias de Reyna >
Enviado: lunes, 26 de febrero de 2018 4:34
Para: André Cruvinel Resende
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Hi,
I share your fears. But on the other hand, the list of sponsors is not closed 
for this year, I know for sure there are open source companies that are still 
pending to be shown there. GeoCat for example, being a small SME in comparison, 
will do the yearly effort to be a key sponsor proving that open source 
companies support FOSS4G events.
You know (because I have been tiring on this subject) that I am completely 
against openwashing. And I will not be comfortable (and protest) if FOSS4G is 
used as a platform to promote closed source software. If I see a track full of 
selling closed architectures and software or some keynote talking about the 
greatness of closed software, I will be angry. But until now, we have had 
closed source companies sponsoring OSGeo and the "worst" thing we have had is 
some talk with a lot of openwashing that made us laugh. No big harm, but useful 
to reopen the debate and refresh terms.
Look at it like this: If a closed source software company (and I won't say ESRI 
here, because we have more examples, don't focus only on one) wants to sponsor 
an FLOSS conference... look at it as a small fee for all the work they are 
reusing from our open side. Is it the only budget they spend on open source? Is 
it because they want to get close to the community and keep in touch with the 
state of the art software in the industry? Great! If anything, I would be more 
worried if they had no interest in FLOSS. This means we are an important piece 
of the industry and they want to be involved, either to -steal- research about 
our way of working, our ideas or whatever we have.
Big companies with closed software history can't change from one day to 
another. Can you imagine Microsoft announcing Windows is going to be FLOSS? 
Would be insane and dangerous (if a code is going to be FLOSS, it should be 
FLOSS from the beginning to avoid big security holes in the open that come 
inherently on closed software). Let them get closer and, maybe in the future, 
they will become real FLOSS advocators.
While they "only" sponsor and maybe promote the ¿little? job they do on FLOSS, 
I am fine. If they want to cross that line and start a conversation about how 
great closed software is, then we will have to stop them.
Regards,
María.


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:49 AM, André Cruvinel Resende 
> wrote:
Folks,

We have had this fear in the past.

I remember when Autodesk decided to open Mapguide and some of us were furious 
and upset and worried about our community's influence and decisions.

It seems that in the end It was not that important and It does not kill 
Mapserver.

Good and open week. (And mind too)

https://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html.


André Cruvinel.


Em 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:02 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA <
sergio.acostayl...@mtop.gub.uy> wrote:

> Stefano, certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have expressed
> my concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto were sponsoring an organic
> food event. I don't think ESRI (or Google or IBM or others) approaches
> OSGeo innocently. This approach should make OSGeo more alert. And distrust
> their intentions. I remember that some years ago ESRI did not let gvSIG
> people even assist an ESRI conference. And now what has changed? That the
> FOSS4G movement is now "cool". So it makes these companies present
> themselves as OS ("we support the OS movement, we even sponsor their
> events", even "we are OS") and it is easier for them to enter certain
> places (later it is more difficult for them to leave). Maybe these
> companies should be asked something more than money in exchange for
> sponsoring the FOSS4G. And see how far they can get with that support to
> the FOSS4G movement...
>

That's a dangerous approach. How do you classify companies that "have to do
something more than money" from companies that don't? If a company have a
mix of open and closed software what happens? If a company contributes a
lot with open software but not on the GIS area, is it good or bad? And the
opposite?

I think we are all aware of the red lines they shouldn't cross. If you feel
more comfortable, we can even write those red lines to make them explicit.
But starting to treat them differently just because their nature... do you
want to ban people coming to our conferences based on... what? That's a
dangerous road. Even if we have suffered that in the past, I am not sure we
should degrade us to that point. We are the good ones here :)

But still, if you want to write the red lines/guidelines explicitly I will
be happy to review and contribute so we can propose them as something more
official. In fact, I realized there are no requirements about what a FOSS4G
should be besides a very abstract concept. Should we do it more explicit?
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[SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA]

Stefano, certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have expressed my 
concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto were sponsoring an organic food 
event. I don't think ESRI (or Google or IBM or others) approaches OSGeo 
innocently. This approach should make OSGeo more alert. And distrust their 
intentions. I remember that some years ago ESRI did not let gvSIG people even 
assist an ESRI conference. And now what has changed? That the FOSS4G movement 
is now "cool". So it makes these companies present themselves as OS ("we 
support the OS movement, we even sponsor their events", even "we are OS") and 
it is easier for them to enter certain places (later it is more difficult for 
them to leave). Maybe these companies should be asked something more than money 
in exchange for sponsoring the FOSS4G. And see how far they can get with that 
support to the FOSS4G movement...

​

Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/

De: Discuss  en nombre de María Arias de Reyna 

Enviado: lunes, 26 de febrero de 2018 4:34
Para: André Cruvinel Resende
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Hi,

I share your fears. But on the other hand, the list of sponsors is not closed 
for this year, I know for sure there are open source companies that are still 
pending to be shown there. GeoCat for example, being a small SME in comparison, 
will do the yearly effort to be a key sponsor proving that open source 
companies support FOSS4G events.

You know (because I have been tiring on this subject) that I am completely 
against openwashing. And I will not be comfortable (and protest) if FOSS4G is 
used as a platform to promote closed source software. If I see a track full of 
selling closed architectures and software or some keynote talking about the 
greatness of closed software, I will be angry. But until now, we have had 
closed source companies sponsoring OSGeo and the "worst" thing we have had is 
some talk with a lot of openwashing that made us laugh. No big harm, but useful 
to reopen the debate and refresh terms.

Look at it like this: If a closed source software company (and I won't say ESRI 
here, because we have more examples, don't focus only on one) wants to sponsor 
an FLOSS conference... look at it as a small fee for all the work they are 
reusing from our open side. Is it the only budget they spend on open source? Is 
it because they want to get close to the community and keep in touch with the 
state of the art software in the industry? Great! If anything, I would be more 
worried if they had no interest in FLOSS. This means we are an important piece 
of the industry and they want to be involved, either to -steal- research about 
our way of working, our ideas or whatever we have.

Big companies with closed software history can't change from one day to 
another. Can you imagine Microsoft announcing Windows is going to be FLOSS? 
Would be insane and dangerous (if a code is going to be FLOSS, it should be 
FLOSS from the beginning to avoid big security holes in the open that come 
inherently on closed software). Let them get closer and, maybe in the future, 
they will become real FLOSS advocators.

While they "only" sponsor and maybe promote the ¿little? job they do on FLOSS, 
I am fine. If they want to cross that line and start a conversation about how 
great closed software is, then we will have to stop them.

Regards,
María.


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:49 AM, André Cruvinel Resende 
> wrote:
Folks,

We have had this fear in the past.

I remember when Autodesk decided to open Mapguide and some of us were furious 
and upset and worried about our community's influence and decisions.

It seems that in the end It was not that important and It does not kill 
Mapserver.

Good and open week. (And mind too)

https://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html.

André Cruvinel.

Em 25 de fev de 2018 7:11 PM, "Jody Garnett" 
> escreveu:
I do not think of it as just an emotive response - some business models do not 
match our ideals as an organization (requirement to purchase a platform 
subscription for services, or an API key for data use). While some 
organizations match our ideals, but I do not like the ethics (dumping software 
to opensource as part of an exit strategy).

Both these approaches use open source as a tool, but to enable behaviour that 
is not necessarily collaborative. The free-and-open end of the open source pool 
is working on this, but it is a big pool and we want to help everyone.

I see our role as changing the the playing field over time so that these 
business models do perform as well as the ones that embrace, contribute to and 
leverage open source.

[OSGeo-Discuss] OGRS 2018 - OPEN SCIENCE IN ACTION

[Suchith Anand]

Dear colleagues,


May I request your strong support for the Open Source Geospatial Research and 
Education Symposium 2018 and and share your latest research at 
2018.ogrs-community.org. Details below.


Best wishes,


Suchith




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behalf of Gwendall 
Sent: 26 February 2018 10:27
To: ogrs-community
Subject: OGRS 2018 - Lugano

Dear OGRS Community members,


The OGRS Community steering committee is pleased to announce the next edition 
of OGRS. It will be held from October 9 - 11, 2018 in Lugano, Switzerland. The 
symposium will be hosted and organized by the University of Applied Sciences 
and Arts of Southern Switzerland (SUPSI).


This year conference theme is “Open Science in Practice”. This new approach, 
endorsed by several research funding agencies, aims at improving the impact of 
scientific activities by opening and sharing knowledge, tools and materials. 
Nevertheless, to fully exploits the advantages of this new paradigma and put in 
practice Open Science scientists needs to deeply understand the open principles 
and solve practical issues. OGRS hope to contribute to bring Open Science 
closer to its full implementation facilitating discussion, mutual learning and 
information exchange.


The main goals of OGRS 2018 are:

  *   to foster the adoption and application of Open Science principles in the 
geospatial domain;
  *   to build a panel of new scientific research and education practices using 
and contributing to open source initiatives in the geospatial fields;
  *   to discuss a framework and highlight a rationale about geospatial open 
source technology usage in research and education activities;
  *   to provide an innovation platform to network and develop ideas for future 
collaborative work between academia – from research to education – and other 
actors of the field (associations, foundations, local authorities, industry 
etc.).

The symposium will integrate several opportunities for presenting : oral 
presentations, workshops and posters. To participate in any of these 
opportunities, authors are invited to submit an extended abstract (1000 to 1500 
words, references and keywords excluded) through the conference website. The 
official language is English. The international scientific advisory board will 
review and select abstracts for inclusion in the symposium and publication in 
the symposium proceedings.


Important dates :

  *   Call for paper : early March

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Community voting FOSS4G NA

[Marc Vloemans]

Dear Micah,

Thanks for your interest.
FYI the list of accepted talks and workshops will be published this week.
Hopefully you will find topics of interest. A special government rate for 
ticket applies. 

@Bart: thanks for the clarification. I missed this thread in my pile of emails. 

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 23 feb. 2018 om 15:33 heeft Micah Wengren  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Ok, thanks, comment withdrawn.  Somehow the large Register Now button drew my 
> attention away from following Marc's directions properly.
> 
> Cheers,
> Micah
> 
>> On 2/23/2018 8:48 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>> I think it's only required to have an Eclipse account (see: 
>> https://accounts.eclipse.org/user/register) in order to participate in the 
>> community voting.
>> 
>> There is no need to register for the conference.
>> 
>> Btw voting period has ended already.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Bart
>> 
>>> On 23-02-18 14:33, Micah Wengren wrote:
>>> Hi Marc, 
>>> Thanks for the notice and many thanks for your efforts to put together 
>>> FOSS4GNA.  
>>> I don't recall having to register in order to submit a community vote on 
>>> presentation topics for a FOSS4G conference before.  I have not been to 
>>> FOSS4GNA for several years, so I realize the process may differ from the 
>>> international event.  And I can see there is some logic to restricting the 
>>> voting pool to those actually attending, but many, myself included, won't 
>>> be able to register before the program is finalized.  I try to make a point 
>>> to vote if I am fairly certain I'll be attending, but it looks like that 
>>> won't be possible this year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration,
>>> 
>>> Micah
>>> 
 On 2/12/2018 10:52 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 The FOSS4G NA Program Committee has started deliberating & scoring on 160+ 
 proposals. You are kindly invited to influence your program by casting 
 your "community vote".
 Please follow these steps:
 
 1. Login to  https://2018.foss4g-na.org (register to submit your vote)
 2. Go to Proposed Sessions under 'Conference'
 3: Vote for favorites under "your vote"
 
 Thanks for your time and hope to see you in St Louis!
 
 Marc Vloemans
 
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