Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Election 2017 Board of Directors elections results
Congrats to all, ex, new board members, and charters - 80% voted, even if 5 got distracted mid-way ;) Vasile, I don't see how we're gonna manage without you as cro... biggest thumbs up! Jeff, great news! Best regards, Duarte Carreira ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election
Well, I have been following this election's discussion and refrained from adding to the noise. I hoped as a group of *volunteers* everything would be settled with some pragmatism. Didn't happen. Jeff please do not walk away. There are many elected/appointed watchers/officials of the rules (board, cro). They publicly stated their points of view that rules were respected. If they did not publicly ask you to redraw then don't. Let them do their work. Trust them. Not asked to, then don't do it. If there was a request from an OSGeo's official to stand down I would think it would be made public. I really hope a quasi-technicality will not exclude one of our finest members from an election. As a voter I feel I am being cheated and forced to not vote for someone. And for what? Anyway, congrats to CRO's for the work and excellent communication skills. Best regards, Duarte Carreira ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Digital Image Processing - Libraries and Programs
Eduardo, you are missing Whitebox Geospatial Analysis Tools (GAT): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitebox_Geospatial_Analysis_Tools Duarte ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members
Well I just have to chime in... I do promote osgeo projects all the time. I don't get paid. I am a Charter Member. This sometimes is useful for people to understand the sense of community that exists in Open Source projects, as opposed to other associations who are in fact many times seen (and are in fact) protectorate systems for a profession or market/business (also lobbying) generally benefiting a well defined group of individuals and companies. So if I have to pay for membership I will have no feedback for that money since all the work I do promoting and educating on open source in gis is volunteered. And I still am requested to pay on top of that... This is to say membership has value *for OSGeo*. Many times it has no monetary value for volunteers. So I can flip this and say, OSGeo should be paying me and thousands of volunteers around the world. At least a small recognition should be given that OSGeo reach is based on people who will not pay the fees, have no income from open source, and still do the work because they see some kind of social/community/long term general benefit from open source. Paying fees seems to undermine the open relationship between OSGeo and its bases. I am not 100% against fees but there should be always a way to not pay fees and keep the open free model, volunteer based, membership. If you want, you can have the fees as donations and not compulsory. Give a badge to those who pay. Best, Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Mr. Puneet Kishor [mailto:punk.k...@gmail.com] Enviada: segunda-feira, 23 de Junho de 2014 17:41 Para: Howard Butler Cc: ML osgeo discuss Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Howard Butler how...@hobu.co wrote: Do you lose a significant benefit by not being a Charter Member? Just the ability to vote for the board and the ability to tout your exclusivity on a vita/resume. Anything else? Lack of membership does not prevent anyone from participating now, and we wouldn't want it to (unlike many other professional organizations). I don't lose anything significant, which implies that everything significant I gain from OSGeo's community is unaffected by my membership. This is one of the reasons I don't attend foss4g anymore (actually, mainly because I can't afford to do so). I will still support all the community ideals and aspirations to the fullest possible. In short, I consider this both my vote for membership dues and the concurrent renunciation of my membership as a result. -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] anyone can make available pgsql export from wms shootout?
Jeff, things just ran smoothly, no errors. I then picked up the rest of the qgis server setup: converting some views to tables. And converted the qgis 1.7 project to 2.3, editing the connections and table names with a text editor. Everything is running except for some shapefiles and a few invalid rgb codes. So, if anyone needs/wants the updated project let me know. Jeff, thanks again. Your script is a life/time saver for us win mob. Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Jeff McKenna [mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com] Enviada: sexta-feira, 23 de Maio de 2014 15:50 Para: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] anyone can make available pgsql export from wms shootout? Hi Duarte, No problem. Also, as you use that page, feel free to edit it directly there with any updates/mistakes/new version info. Thanks! -jeff -- Jeff McKenna MapServer Consulting and Training Services http://www.gatewaygeomatics.com/ On 2014-05-23, 11:38 AM, dncarreira wrote: Hi Jeff. That will work!! Thanks a bunch! I had already used osm2pgsql but didn't know how to get the same imposm schema! This will let me use the same qgis project used in the wms shootout. Duarte ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] anyone can make available pgsql export from wms shootout?
I'm trying to create a postgis perf test using a familiar/standard data and thought of the wms shootout data. For the life of me, I cannot get imposm working on my win machine (I know, I know...). So can any of the guys involved in the shootout get your hands on an export from postgresql?? That would really help me!! Thanks. Duarte Duarte Carreira Diretor | Dep. Informa??o Geogr?fica e Cartografia www.edia.pthttp://www.edia.pt www.alqueva.com.pthttp://www.alqueva.com.pt Tel. +351 284315100 [http://www.edia.pt/edia/images/edia_logo2.gif]http://www.edia.pt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions
Hi everybody [1]. I'm looking for suggestions on existing or easily adaptable solutions to a simple point-select-download web app. The ones I've found work by downloading an entire gis dataset. I need to allow downloading of selected sheets/quads to narrow down the volume of downloaded data at any given time. So, any suggestions? Much appreciated, Duarte [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=hi+everybodyoq=hi+everybody Duarte Carreira Diretor | Dep. Informa??o Geogr?fica e Cartografia www.edia.pthttp://www.edia.pt www.alqueva.com.pthttp://www.alqueva.com.pt Tel. +351 284315100 [http://www.edia.pt/edia/images/edia_logo2.gif]http://www.edia.pt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions
It’s for vector and raster… De: Andrew Turner [mailto:ajtur...@gmail.com] Enviada: terça-feira, 15 de Abril de 2014 13:09 Para: Duarte Carreira Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions Are you interested in vector, raster or other types of data? Andrew (via mobile - 248-982-3609) On Apr 15, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.ptmailto:dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: Hi everybody [1]. I’m looking for suggestions on existing or easily adaptable solutions to a simple point-select-download web app. The ones I’ve found work by downloading an entire gis dataset. I need to allow downloading of selected sheets/quads to narrow down the volume of downloaded data at any given time. So, any suggestions? Much appreciated, Duarte [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=hi+everybodyoq=hi+everybody Duarte Carreira Diretor | Dep. Informação Geográfica e Cartografia www.edia.pthttp://www.edia.pt www.alqueva.com.pthttp://www.alqueva.com.pt Tel. +351 284315100 [Imagem removida pelo remetente.]http://www.edia.pt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss inline: ~WRD000.jpg___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions
Doug, The presentation from FW and USA Corps is very interesting, and the viewer seems nice too. This is the nearest I've seen so far similar to this workflow. It seems weird there is are so few options, even commercially... Duarte De: Newcomb, Doug [mailto:doug_newc...@fws.gov] Enviada: terça-feira, 15 de Abril de 2014 15:57 Para: ajtur...@highearthorbit.com Cc: Duarte Carreira; discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions You might also look at this presentation on using mapserver. http://www.slideshare.net/foss4g2011/clip-and-shipmapserverfordatadistribution The Southeast GAP online tool has a clip and zip data download option , http://www.gapserve.ncsu.edu/segap/segap/ ( you have to choose an are area interest first and be registered) . Contact the folks at http://www.basic.ncsu.edu and they might be able to give you some insights. Doug On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Turner ajtur...@gmail.commailto:ajtur...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few open-source options. They may not do exactly what you want but provide an interface that could be adapted. for imagery: https://github.com/Esri/image-discovery-app-js geoportal can call to zip ship processing: https://github.com/Esri/geoportal-server for a hosted option - you can use GeoCommons to save filtered views of datasets and then download those for free, but I'm not sure how configurable you need it to be. Andrew On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.ptmailto:dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: It's for vector and raster... De: Andrew Turner [mailto:ajtur...@gmail.commailto:ajtur...@gmail.com] Enviada: terça-feira, 15 de Abril de 2014 13:09 Para: Duarte Carreira Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions Are you interested in vector, raster or other types of data? Andrew (via mobile - 248-982-3609tel:248-982-3609) On Apr 15, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.ptmailto:dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: Hi everybody [1]. I'm looking for suggestions on existing or easily adaptable solutions to a simple point-select-download web app. The ones I've found work by downloading an entire gis dataset. I need to allow downloading of selected sheets/quads to narrow down the volume of downloaded data at any given time. So, any suggestions? Much appreciated, Duarte [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=hi+everybodyoq=hi+everybody Duarte Carreira Diretor | Dep. Informação Geográfica e Cartografia www.edia.pthttp://www.edia.pt www.alqueva.com.pthttp://www.alqueva.com.pt Tel. +351 284315100tel:%2B351%20284315100 [Imagem removida pelo remetente.]http://www.edia.pt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Andrew Turner t: @ajturner b: http://highearthorbit.comhttp://highearthorbit.com/ m: 248.982.3609 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Doug Newcomb USFWS Raleigh, NC 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.govmailto:doug_newc...@fws.gov - The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. Life is too short for undocumented, proprietary data formats. inline: image001.jpg___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)
I find that an argument that seats well with management is open source scales for free, while proprietary is itself a financial obstacle when you need to grow your system, be it to support more load server-side, add more client-side machines, or add new applications to your portfolio (usually a combo of these). In proprietary you can only grow in functionality by increasing your annual budget just for keeping the software, without even considering any development or training costs. So in the long run, your base costs creep up, like a memory leak ;). Many times you see a system be completely shut down because its maintenance costs got to a value someone just decides it is not worth paying anymore. Then you are forced to go open source, in a very painful way. Bottom line, in the medium/long term open source offers a significant financial stability, that can in fact mean the sustainability of your system. Duarte De: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) [mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us] Enviada: quarta-feira, 16 de Outubro de 2013 17:01 Para: Norman Vine; osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org) Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .) Norman, We're thoroughly entrenched with a OpenSource installation right along side a bunch of commercial products. It's been very hard for any commercial vendor to even get a leg up in our office for a number of years now because we've got so much stuff already working via OpenSource (and also available to the commercial products.) However, we still don't have a top level position to over see these things, and there is still splintering of resources that is taking place. Bobb From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Norman Vine Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:57 AM To: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org) Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .) disc On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Arnie, Vendor lock-in, or rather preventing it, would be a strong second as far as reasons go, but it's not really applicable to describing a positions work items (I don't think) and seems like it might be closer to a policy issue (in my mind). Thanks for the feedback. Bobb Bobb I would argue that one needs an OpenSource Reference implementation to vet adherence to any OpenStandard In fact I would go even further and say that any new OpenStandard proposal should be accompanied by an OpenSource implementation before acceptance as such Norman -Original Message- From: Arnie Shore [mailto:shor...@gmail.comhttp://gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:04 AM To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org) Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .) Well, adherence to standards is integral to the issue of interoperability, a critical project success factor in this increasingly interconnected world. And, there's no motivation for vendor lock-in, since the revenue protection motivation (usually!) doesn't exist. (I can tell you re all of the verbiage I've excreted in a prior life justifying sole-source procurements.) Also, possibly important for the devout among us is that the Good Lord must love standards; She made so many of them! AS On 10/16/13, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Hi all, I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following statement, I'm looking for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to put yourself there :c). Open Source software enforces standards ... snip / ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines?
Cameron, just to say that for the first time I’m seing good strong arguments that make a clear case, that’s easy to understand and with very low emotional content… Thanks for your tireless work on this. Regards, Duarte De: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com] Enviada: quarta-feira, 22 de Maio de 2013 03:26 Para: standa...@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions Assunto: [OSGeo-Discuss] Will OGC’s standards meet government purchasing guidelines? In what has become the OGC’s most contentious vote to date, OGC members are being asked whether the proposed Geoservices REST API should be accepted as an OGC standard. A summary of concerns are listed in an Open Letter from the Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) to the OGC. However, the crux of contentions hinge around the definition of an Open Standard and whether the Geoservices REST API qualifies as one. When measured against government’s policy drivers of interoperability, fair competition, and economical use of government funds, the evidence is overwhelming. Geoservices REST API fails on all accounts. In fact, we should be questioning why our OGC processes haven’t identified and then addressed these issues much earlier. The justification is in blog format (as hyperlinks to references don't copy well to some email clients): http://lisasoft.com/blog/will-ogc%E2%80%99s-standards-meet-government-purchasing-guidelines -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any news on Eclipse Location Industry Working Group?
Jody, thanks for the concise update. I like the way Eclipse Foundation is able to link different membership levels and fees. Don’t know if that is feasible in OSGeo’s case but is certainly appealing… pity there are no IBMs in our facebook friends! Maybe if we linked GeoServer to WebSphere or Maximo… ;) Duarte De: Jody Garnett [mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com] Enviada: terça-feira, 30 de Outubro de 2012 11:23 Para: Duarte Carreira Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any news on Eclipse Location Industry Working Group? Have there been any progress on links with this new geo centred open source foundation group? Arnulf covered the formal arrangements. How is this going to affect the official osgeo's projects? Will there be common projects to both foundations? If so, will there be 2 repositories? Will funding raised by Eclipse LIWG reach projects on OSGeo? My take is that OSGeo is focused on fostering open source spatial, our mandate allows us to work with projects wherever we find them (LocationTech, Apache etc…). I got to cover this in a recent presentation on OSGeo and Incubation (http://how2map.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/osgeo-incubation-start-of-something.html). Hopefully I did the topic justice. It seems a discussion started on this but ended up disussing an embassador role... did anyone attend their 1st meeting after all? I have been attending the LocationTech meetings, the uDig project I work on has a proposalhttp://locationtech.org/proposals/user-friendly-desktop-internet-gis-udig to join LocationTech (in part because it is an Eclipse RCP project). So far it has been educational experience comparing the incubation process between the foundations (and a bit of a pain selecting a licensehttp://udig-news.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/udig-change-to-epl-and-bsd-license.html compatible with the Eclipse foundation). Just trying to figure this new reality out... I think it is the same reality :-) Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any news on Eclipse Location Industry Working Group?
Yes: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Location. And: http://www.eclipse.org/org/industry-workgroups/locationtech_charter.php. Duarte De: Frans Thamura [mailto:fr...@meruvian.org] Enviada: segunda-feira, 29 de Outubro de 2012 14:33 Para: Duarte Carreira Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any news on Eclipse Location Industry Working Group? Hi Duarte Is the eclipse related to eclipse foundation? I am work very close with eclipse foundation in Indonesia F On Oct 29, 2012 8:43 PM, dncarreira dcarre...@edia.ptmailto:dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: Have there been any progress on links with this new geo centred open source foundation group? How is this going to affect the official osgeo's projects? Will there be common projects to both foundations? If so, will there be 2 repositories? Will funding raised by Eclipse LIWG reach projects on OSGeo? It seems a discussion started on this but ended up disussing an embassador role... did anyone attend their 1st meeting after all? Just trying to figure this new reality out... Thanks, Duarte -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/any-news-on-Eclipse-Location-Industry-Working-Group-tp5011998.html Sent from the OSGeo Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapIgniter Project
I think this is a fantastic project. Hope Marco will be able to attract others to this. Of course, a repository will be necessary sooner or later. Best of luck Marco. Duarte De: G. Allegri [mailto:gioha...@gmail.com] Enviada: segunda-feira, 30 de Julho de 2012 21:41 Para: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapIgniter Project Marco answered offlist. We have talked about the usefulnes of having a public SCM and a ticketing system. He's almost convinced :D Let's see if this project will attract a team to work on it. Good luck! giovanni 2012/7/30 G. Allegri gioha...@gmail.commailto:gioha...@gmail.com I've forgot to ask an important thing: are you going to make a public SCM repository? It would very important to include the community in testing, giving feedback and, eventually, future development of the project. giovanni 2012/7/30 G. Allegri gioha...@gmail.commailto:gioha...@gmail.com Hi Marco, thanks for sharing your project. I was waiting for the announce :) I'm going to download it right now and give it a look. Having work with Kohana I'm glad to see a project with CI. I will give you my feedback as soon as I setup a demo project. I'm going out for holidays this week, so I don't think I will test it before half august. cheers, giovanni ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
For what it's worth I really, really, agree with Howard. When things go smoothly it's irrelevant. But it's a huge mess when they don't... Better safe than sorry... Best, Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Howard Butler [mailto:hobu@gmail.com] Enviada: quarta-feira, 25 de Julho de 2012 21:24 Para: osgeo-discuss Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Disadvantages: It allows a small, concentrated, and coordinated group of people to ensure that their one or two preferred candidates make it onto the board without otherwise having broad support of the electorate. After one or two election cycles, the board could be replaced with these selected board members through this effort. Giving a member the ability to give 5 votes to one individual essentially gives them 5x the voting power for an individual candidate, and considering the fact that generally speaking the majority of the electorate doesn't stack their votes, differentially provides them even more voting power. A statistical analysis and simulation of how this weighting works is left to the reader. One member, one candidate, one vote. What is needs of the electorate or board are being served by having our election procedure be something otherwise? Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] charter member nomination: Tim Sutton
I would like to nominate Tim Sutton. I'm probably not the best person to introduce Tim, but here goes. I know Tim mostly as Developer, Project Steering Committee member and project co-administrator of Quantum GIS, from his educational materials (Gentle Introduction to GIS excellent videos come to mind), great blog posts, active community building activities, and using open source in his projects. I think Tim is one of the main promoters of open source gis today. I think he is based in South Africa, so the plea to diversify charter members geographically is also catered for. Best regards, Duarte Carreira ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] designing databases, organizing data formats to work with open source and proprietary GIS
Hi there. Im my view, there are 2 levels of integration: with and without ArcSDE. If you have ArcSDE then you should follow Simon’s tips. It’s a tougher challenge to try getting all ArcGIS functionality and at the same time sharing the database with other tiers of software. If you don’t then it’s simpler but it’s very likely that you will have to settle with some limitations in ArcGIS, mainly read-only access to the database, and not having the geodb design’s perks, like subtypes, domains, topology, etc. Since 10 you can already load data from a variety of spatial rdbms including pgsql. But not editing. I’m not sure what will change in 10.1. For the Open Source side of things, going the way of pgsql is all you need! All tribes show their love for pgsql so it’s very powerfull in all aspects, desktop and server, C and Java, etc. Also you will be well served in other arenas besides GIS. Just my 2 cents. Duarte De: karsten vennemann [mailto:kars...@terragis.net] Enviada: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 18:43 Para: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: [OSGeo-Discuss] designing databases, organizing data formats to work with open source and proprietary GIS Hi all, in the near future I will have the opportunity to help design databases, decide on data formats (files data) for an international organization that wishes to be able to use both proprietary and open source based systems, mostly in web mapping solution but also possibly on the desktop. The task will be to design and organize the data stores in a way that both types of systems - open source (e.g. MapServer, OpenLayers) and proprietary systems (ESRI Arc Server) can use them well, and along the way to try to avoid too much data duplication (having to store data in multiple formats just to make them accessible) . This sounds to like a exiting useful, fun task, but given the limitations of both systems (regarding input data that might not work out of the box- namely file Geodatabases in open source solutions, and PostGIS data in ESRI products) might be not totally trivial ;) I was wondering if anybody has done work on this, has implemented systems facing the same issues or knows of projects or reports that have been dealing with similar issues. Also I anybody has comments about what data storage solution you would recommend and comments about the pro and cons of certain storage designs please send it to the list. Looking forward to hear what other have come up with. Thanks a lot Cheers Karsten Karsten Vennemann Principal Terra GIS LTD USA www.terragis.nethttp://www.terragis.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds forOSGeoprojects?
Robert, very interesting structuring of the open source/closed source divide. I would add that in open source funding initiatives like donation campaigns, a fundamental distinction is the client pays what it can *afford* at that time, and according to an estimate - that does not account for profit - divided by all of the community. When paying, the client/user is effectively paying itself at some degree for the ability to continue a strategy (to use/implement an open source product). Services on the other hand will still make up a nice market, for projects and customizations, always according to each product success/dissemination. Duarte De: Robert Hollingsworth [mailto:r...@prodigy.net] Enviada: segunda-feira, 6 de Junho de 2011 20:33 Para: OSGeo Discussions Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds forOSGeoprojects? There might be some insights if we draw parallels between these open source funding issues and how traditional closed-source companies finance what they do. Actually the differences between open and closed source may be more instructive: It seems to me that open source is, essentially, not-for-profit by nature. Putting aside any incorporation legalisms in our respective countries as to what defines not-for-profit, the fact that open source precludes the write-once-sell-many, per-seat or -site license model means there is no realistic opportunity for a non-linear return-on-investment. So we can forget about funding sources such as venture capital, large-volume private investors, business loans, publicly traded stock -- or getting bought by Microsoft :) Put another way, open source is a services model. There are plenty of for-profit software service providers out there; they tend to categorize their efforts as billable vs non-billable. The administrative work, such as documentation, QA, release management -- plus the overall task of keeping the OSGeo infrastructure umbrella healthy -- fall under non-billable. The for-profit business handles this by charging enough for billable work to cover the non-billable expenses. What is the open-source equivalent of this? Individual projects paying 'dues'? Mostly it is the massive amount of volunteer work within the projects or within OSGeo committees. If a commercial software services company's business model is based on customizing a popular off-the-shelf product, then they can really let ESRI or Autodesk or Bentley or Intergraph of whoever worry about how to finance development of the core product. In my own independent consulting, my relationship to Mapserver, PostGIS, and so forth has been to set up these free products for a client and build a custom solution around them -- and charge for the entire exercise. I can imagine enhancing a core product and passing on that expense to client, providing I make it clear up front that a portion of what's being developed will enter the public domain. But only if the cost of the improving the core is relatively small and is a critical component of the total solution. Otherwise, my client is likely to complain Hey, why am I paying for all this stuff that everyone else is going to be able to use for free? This leaves the open source projects somewhat at a loss for a predictable way of adequately funding the write-once-give-away-many core product, given that most of the established means used by the closed-source entities to fund their per-seat/per-site systems aren't applicable. I'm very interested in exploring what kind of formal structures the open source developers AND users can construct whose advantages most closely match -- in the eyes of the users -- the advantages of the traditional off-the-shelf license-based product model they've been conditioned to expect and utilize for decades. Primarily: pay a predictable, reasonable sum of money to acquire a quantifiable set of application capabilities, where the total development cost of those capabilities far exceeds the price they are paying. Meanwhile, these structures must retain all the well known advantages of open over closed source. Moreover, this model must accommodate large volumes of core product development, and, at the same time, integrate well with per-client customization services. Robert H. So the danger with any kind of bounty funding model is it misses out on: - paying osgeo to keep the servers up and the lights on - documentation - quality assurance - other maintenance activities website, release of software, check issues to produce release notes etc... Now I know none of the above is as sexy as asking people to fund a specific feature they are interested in. In a couple of projects I work on; I will pick on GeoTools as an example, we are well served by the existing model where developers work; often as consultants; to add specific functionality to the library. But it has not always been so smooth and we had to adjust our procedures to
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeo projects?
I like the page for PostGIS Raster coordinating the roadmap and funding/dev.time [1]. Regarding a tool/site, I haven't seen one that would personally inspire me to donate, or help me convince my company to donate. They feel disconnected from the project itself, and honestly they give this image of impersonal, bank-ish approach. Also, the money raised seems to indicate poor success rates. I feel that for a project, in my particular case, the easiest way to have a positive funding decision in the company I work for would be: 1) Receive a letter from OSGeo/Project campaign to raise funds, stating a few facts of life in FOSS development, and pointing out the benefits of the model to all users/community, ending with an emphasis on community efforts where everyone has its role (users/companies and developers/project stewards/osgeo). To make things even easier to stakeholders present a few common donation values... (you know, like a checkbox list ;) 2) Allow for optionally directing donated funds to available roadmap features or existing bugs (not sure how this would work out in several scenarios, like when minimum funding is never reached...) 3) Have a project page where we can see how funding is working, progress is made, who is donating, etc. (similar to [1]), but this is a plus, and not really a requirement. But it would be nice to be informed of any progress done to the selected features/bugs when/if it happened I can see this approach working in different organizations around here. And in a periodical basis. Just my 2 cents... Duarte [1] - http://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/wiki/WKTRaster/PlanningAndFunding De: Duarte Carreira [mailto:dcarre...@edia.pt] Enviada: sexta-feira, 3 de Junho de 2011 10:55 Para: OSGeo Discussions Assunto: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeo projects? Have there been any discussions about ways of raising funds for projects under the OSGeo umbrella? For instance, annual fund raising campaigns like Wikipedia does? Or letters/emails asking for donations to known significant users as associations sometimes do? Or using sites specialized in linking users requests to developers? I suppose this is to be done by each project individually... What are the current opinions? Regards, Duarte ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeo projects?
Paolo, I did not know of your past efforts mailing letters. Maybe there are lessons there that would allow us to improve the process and be more successful. Or it is really a dead-end. I don't know for sure. But if 1 letter gave way to a single 500€ donation it would be 45% of all funding in the bug squashing initiative page (I'm excluding Faunalia's own donation). So maybe even with a small percentage of success it could be very effective. As to how to create a list of users, there are a number of alternatives. Of course, we will never have a complete list, and maybe will include a few non-users ;) but it is feasible. Look at conferences, and email lists, and personal contacts, and so on. Ask in the letter itself for other users that might be willing or using that same project/product. You know, use the community. I'm not a marketeer but I think there is something here that could be very positive. Regards, Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Paolo Cavallini [mailto:cavall...@faunalia.it] Enviada: segunda-feira, 6 de Junho de 2011 11:12 Para: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeo projects? Il 06/06/2011 11:28, Duarte Carreira ha scritto: I like the page for PostGIS Raster coordinating the roadmap and funding/dev.time [1]. Regarding a tool/site, I haven’t seen one that would personally inspire me to donate, or help me convince my company to donate. They feel disconnected from the project itself, and honestly they give this image of impersonal, bank-ish approach. Also, the money raised seems to indicate poor success rates. I feel that for a project, in my particular case, the easiest way to have a positive funding decision in the company I work for would be: 1) Receive a letter from OSGeo/Project campaign to raise funds, stating a few facts of life in FOSS development, and pointing out the benefits of the model to all users/community, ending with an emphasis on community efforts where everyone has its role (users/companies and developers/project stewards/osgeo). To make things even easier to “stakeholders” present a few “common” donation values… (you know, like a checkbox list ;) 2) Allow for optionally directing donated funds to available roadmap features or existing bugs (not sure how this would work out in several scenarios, like when minimum funding is never reached…) 3) Have a project page where we can see how funding is working, progress is made, who is donating, etc. (similar to [1]), but this is a plus, and not really a requirement. But it would be nice to be informed of any progress done to the selected features/bugs when/if it happened OK, sounds reasonable. One problem is: how do we collect the addresses? We do not want to spam around. Also, please consider that in the past we have sent letters to all companies listed in the support page, and we received very few responses (none of them positive). So, it's a difficult path after all. For now, the only very successful approach has been for more mature institutions to hire directly one developer or a company (this is how much of the work on QGIS is funded anyway). Our bug squashing initiative[0] has met a reasonable success, and IMHO we should build on that. Suggestions welcome. -- Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc [0]http://www.qgis.org/wiki/Bugs ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeo projects?
Have there been any discussions about ways of raising funds for projects under the OSGeo umbrella? For instance, annual fund raising campaigns like Wikipedia does? Or letters/emails asking for donations to known significant users as associations sometimes do? Or using sites specialized in linking users requests to developers? I suppose this is to be done by each project individually... What are the current opinions? Regards, Duarte ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Any high performance (linux-)OSGeo workstation to rent?
This may interest you: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/a-525-2048-core-cluster-in-45-minutes/1219?tag=nl.e539 They built and used a 2048 cluster for only $525. The trick is to use it as quickly as possible so it will be cheap. Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Nikos Alexandris [mailto:n...@nikosalexandris.net] Enviada: quinta-feira, 6 de Janeiro de 2011 15:12 Para: OSGeo Discussions Assunto: [OSGeo-Discuss] Any high performance (linux-)OSGeo workstation to rent? Greetings to the list. I need to process a few data.frames() in R [1] (18.000 observations, 6 variables and some grouping factors) using the mrpp() function [2] implemented in the R-package vegan [3]. I just posted something short about it on grass- stats [4]. It is a heavy process for my home machine and I need to get it done ASAP. The question related to the list is: does out there exist an on-line service providing access to high performance OSGeo, preferably linux-based, workstation(s)/cluster(s)? Something to rent and use for a short period of time? I imagine for example to get an ssh account, establish a connection, upload the data of interest, do the process, save and download the results and, finally, pay for the time? Thank you for your attention and apologies if the post does not fit in to the list's topics. Nikos --- [1] http://www.r-project.org/ [2] http://cc.oulu.fi/~jarioksa/softhelp/vegan/html/mrpp.html [3] http://vegan.r-forge.r-project.org/ [4] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-stats/2011-January/001309.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
