Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o

2015-12-16 Thread Dave Patton

On 2015/12/16 07:00, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

On 2015/12/16 18:37, Pat Tressel wrote:

MailChimp is a very popular product. If you have a provable
accusation against them -- that they were acting **independently of
the account administrator** to alter lists, then that would be
significant. As Rob has stated, MailChimp did not do something by
itself. The list was aggregated from previous lists and events in
which people participated.


I have also received a similar unsolicited mail. I would like to know
 who has authorized the aggregation and usage of email address from
"previous lists and events in which people participated". I think
every event has a privacy policy and e-mail address provided are only
to be used for communicating about the specific event and not for
aggregating for future use.


I too received the unsolicited email.

Presumably it was because I was involved with
the organization of FOSS4G2007.

I have already used the (tracked) Unsubscribe link,
and provided the feedback option that I unsubscribed
because I never opted in.

My suggestions:
1)
It may need to be clarified, or explicitly stated
(e.g. anywhere OSGeo/FOSS4g-related that collects
an email address), but I would suggest that it is
acceptable to utilize "collected email addresses"
for "1-time announcement" emails.

2)
When sending a "1-time announcement" email:
- do not utilize any form of "tracking"
- make it clear that this is a "1-time" email
  (i.e. in this case, for FOSS4GNA)
- provide multiple methods in the email (such
  as links and a "reply with  in the subject"
  email mechanism) so that the recipient can
  "opt in"
- provide a clear (untracked) method so that the
  recipient can "opt out" of any further "1-time"
  emails (i.e. in this case, for FOSS4GNA)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Organizing

2014-09-15 Thread Dave Patton

On 2014/09/15 13:32, Paul Ramsey wrote:


There are a number of places to start in finding such a corporate
partner for event planning.



Since getting involved in a commercial relationship like this is a
big, existential decision for the organization, I think it falls to
the board to decide

(a) if moving to a single professional event organizer for all major
foss4g events (international, na, eu) is warranted (b) if so,
assigning a small team to speak with the alternatives, and bring a
concrete decision in the form of a recommended company and contract
terms to the board

It is important to get a decision on (a) as quickly as possible


I'd suggest a couple of slight modifications:
- slightly different wording for the first item
- add a new second item

1)
The OSGeo Board decides whether moving to a single professional
event organizer for all major foss4g events is warranted and
practical at this time (international, na, eu).

2)
If the answer to (1) is Yes, then what are the broad terms of
reference that the board is willing to consider for potential
candidates? For example, do potential candidates have to have
established offices in various parts of the world? Do they
have to have a track record organizing open source events?
Do they have to have multilingual staff? Is the board OK with
the notion of a conference organizer who does all the 'back
office' tasks, including pre-conference registration, but who
does not provide any boots on the ground staff at the actual
conference (i.e. that staffing would be handled by the LOC,
perhaps with a mix of local paid and volunteer staff)?
What about minimum/maximum length of contract? Etc.

3)
If the answer to (1) is Yes, then assign a small team to speak
with potential candidates, and bring a concrete decision in the
form of a recommended company and contract terms to the board.

P.S.
Item (3) could be broken down into two steps, and if done
properly may not introduce too much extra delay:
- the small team brings a shortlist to the board, and the
  board ratifies/amends the shortlist and raises any
  questions or concerns
- the small team re-engages with the shortlisted candidates
  to arrive at a final recommendation for the board

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Dave Patton
On 2014/06/24 03:33, Mateusz Łoskot wrote:
 Folks,
 
 I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the
 proposal of membership fee. Moreover, I can't understand how the fact
 members financially support their organisation stands in
 contradiction with active volunteer-based participation.
 
 What is the actual problem here, act of paying or amount or anything
 else?

My $0.02 [1]

Separate the issues:

A)
Have a discussion about the Charter Member process that does
not have anything to do with fees, and then come to a
resolution (at least for this year).

B)
Have a separate discussion about fees and types of
memberships (e.g. different thread(s), perhaps at a
different time frame than (A) to avoid muddying the waters).

C)
Have a separate discussion about fundraising, and ways
to accomplish that (some of which have already been
brought up within the current discussions).


[1]
With the elimination of the Canadian penny[2]
and the rounding process, that $0.02 is worth
zero dollars, so take it for what's it's worth ;-)

[2]
http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about-the-mint/phasing-out-the-penny-692

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Newbie,Contribute through GSOC Program

2014-01-08 Thread Dave Patton

On 2014/01/08 03:38, Jayesh Lahori wrote:

Hi,

My name is Jayesh Lahori, I'm a 3rd year Computer Science Student at
International Institute of Information Technology, Hyderabad (India)  .I'm
interested in contributing to Open Source Projects of osGeo as a part of
GSOC'14 , Any pointers on how should I go about it?

I had also put up this mail on soc mailing list, but thought more people
could help me here, so putting it up here,

My Technical skill-set:

*C/C++ , Python , Web Technologies(HTML,CSS,Javascript,PHP,web2py,OpenERP ,
MySQL).*
*OS: GNU/Linux*


Hello Jayesh.

While you are waiting for the summer (and the GSOC),
perhaps there's a role for you in helping with the
OSGeo Live efforts.
http://lisasoft.com.au/blog/starting-build-cycle-osgeo-live-79

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Dave Patton

On 2013/09/20 16:39, Alex Mandel wrote:


Unlike OSGeoLive we can't supply VMs as that takes paid licenses for
the software in question.


Alex - could you please clarify what you mean by this statement.

Thanks

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G North America Announcements

2013-01-15 Thread Dave Patton

On 2013/01/15 11:32 AM, David William Bitner wrote:


*Greetings!

The planning committee of the 2013 Free and Open Source Software for
Geospatial North America (FOSS4G-NA) conference to be held May 22-24 in
Minneapolis, MN is pleased to make the following announcements which were
recently posted to our website at http://foss4g-na.org.



DIVERSITY
In an effort to foster a diversity of voices the community voting will be
done in a presenter anonymous fashion. In other words, you will be voting
for the topic and abstract content, not the potential presenter.  FOSS4G-NA
is dedicated to a harassment-free conference
experiencehttp://foss4g-na.org/harrassment-policy/


David et al:

I have no issue with the Harassment Policy, but I am curious
as to it's origin. Is it a result of specific problems at
other FOSS4G-related events?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2012 Cancel Request

2012-07-10 Thread Dave Patton

On 2012/07/10 2:25 AM, OSGeo China wrote:

Dear OSGeo Board,

With great regret, the FOSS4G Beijing Local Organizing Committee
(LOC) has made the difficult decision of cancelling the event due to
a lack of financial resources and the unexpected withdrawal of the
Professional Conference Organizer.  Please officially approve our
decision and advise any procedures we may need to follow to minimize
the impact on the community.

We also wrote letter for FOSS4G Beijing 2012 potential participants,
we will publish this announcement on the foss4g2012 website and
e-mail them after we get feedback from Board.


It might be helpful for the FOSS4G 2013 LOC to provide a letter about
the next FOSS4G, and have that letter translated, and send that
letter out (both in English and any translated version(s)) along with
any announcements about the FOSS4G 2012 cancellation.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] any ideas on how to Monitor and Review 'random' files?

2012-02-17 Thread Dave Patton

We are doing some brainstorming in order to come up with possible
ideas of how to address a problem, so any thoughts, comments, or 
suggestions are welcome. The problem is outlined below.

=

Within a corporate environment the users have workstations
running Microsoft Vista. All users have access to some
network file shares, but different groups of users have
access to different file shares. All file shares are
using the NTFS filesystem.

A group of users - call them the Workers - have a common
file share that they use during the course of their business.
When an event takes place, and for some time after, various
Workers will add event-related files to the shared location.
How such files are organized is up to the Workers. There is
no technical mechanism (i.e. filesystem monitoring software)
or procedural mechanism (i.e. business process) that currently
exists that results in 'monitoring' the addition of, or changes to,
the event-related files.

A different user - call them the Reviewer - who works in a different
part of the corporate organization, has a need to 'review and organize'
some of the event-related files that are provided by the Workers.
This process typically takes place 'after the event', however,
event-related files might be added by the Workers well after the
event took place (e.g. months or years later), so the Workers could
be making updates during the same time period that the Reviewer is
doing their 'reviewing and organizing'.

For a particular event the Reviewer may want to review the
event-related files, 'organize' them, and be informed when Workers
add more files for that event. Eventually there may be a need to
make a copy of some of the event-related files, based on criteria
specified by the Reviewer.

It may be possible to add software to the Reviewer's workstation
to assist with this process, but it will be less likely to be
able to deal with the Workers' workstations, and very unlikely
to be able to deal with the servers hosting the file shares.

Although this isn't really about geospatial processing, there
are some geospatial files involved in this process. As an example:
- an event takes place - call it ABC123
- a Worker who has files related to ABC123 will put the original
  files, or copies, on a file share (e.g. some raster maps, some
  shape files, some word processing documents, some emails, some
  JPEG photos, KMZ files, etc.)
- other Workers will also have files related to ABC123, and they
  will also put them on the file share
- the above process continues while the event ABC123 is 'active'
- over time the initial set of ABC123 files will stabilize,
  and there may not be any new files added very often
- the Reviewer gets involved sometime after the event, and starts
  with the set of files that exist at that point for event ABC123
- the Reviewer may want to 'organize' the files for event ABC123,
  however that might be able to be accomplished by 'organizing'
  file metadata, rather than having to make copies of the ABC123
  files and organizing the copies
- when files for event ABC123 are updated (e.g. a Worker adds a
  One Year After report for event ABC123), the Reviewer wants
  to be able to know that there has been an update
- at some point the 'organized files' for event ABC123 (and possibly
  some 'notes' or 'metadata' about those files) will need to be
  copied from the Workers' file share to another file share, in
  order to preserve a copy of the files and to provide a location
  to use for processing the files as they are loaded into a
  'document management system' that the Reviewer uses
(the last step of loading files into the document management system
is already in place, and isn't part of the brainstorming exercise)


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any ideas on how to Monitor and Review 'random' files?

2012-02-17 Thread Dave Patton

On 2012/02/17 11:36 AM, Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:


It may be possible to add software to the Reviewer's workstation to
assist with this process, but it will be less likely to be able to
deal with the Workers' workstations, and very unlikely to be able
to deal with the servers hosting the file shares.


is that to be understood as .. they can view or download from, but
not say make any scripts on the server ?


The servers that host the file shares used by the Workers and/or
the Reviewer are not available at all to the Workers/Reviewer.
All they have access to is the file shares, which they use as
mapped drives. The file servers are managed by a central part
of the organization, so even the IT staff that supports the
Workers/Reviewer does not have access to the file servers.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any ideas on how to Monitor and Review 'random' files?

2012-02-17 Thread Dave Patton

On 2012/02/17 11:51 AM, Arnie Shore wrote:


BTW, I believe the OP is looking for handling not a random file
(hardly that!) but an 'arbitrary' user-selected one.


Arnie is correct - I should have perhaps said 'arbitrary'.
The point is that the Reviewer can't necessarily anticipate how
the 'files of interest' will have been 'organized' by the Workers.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [OSGeo-Conf] Resignation from Committee

2012-02-08 Thread Dave Patton

On 2012/02/06 7:06 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
(on the [OSGeo-Conf] list)

Hello everyone,

I haven't been able to give my usual effort to this conference
committee, since Denver. I feel it is best that I resign and let
everyone continue their great FOSS4G work.


[snip]


And to all of the past FOSS4G event committee members, all those local
organizers from 2003 until today, where would we be without you? - I
thank you from my heart for working so hard and delivering a wonderful
event, each and every year.

I've enjoyed working with each and every one of you. Thank you.

-jeff


Jeff - while I'm sorry to hear of your departure from the
Conference Committee and the OSGeo Board, I hope that it
proves to be a positive move for your work, and life (and the
balance between them). Good luck in your future endeavors!

Board/Conference Committee - In a non-OSGeo-related discussion
this past weekend I was reminded of the value of doing an
exit interview when an employee leaves, and I'd suggest that
an exit interview with Jeff, if he is willing, could provide
some useful information. Of course any such interview should
be done in private (conference call?).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Finding position based on horizon profile?

2011-03-28 Thread Dave Patton

On 2011/03/28 1:48 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Consider the following hypothetical problem:

Assume we have a good elevation data set for a large region of the earth --
say, an entire mountain range.  Now let's say we have a photograph taken
from the ground, the horizon of which shows the profile of a couple of the
mountains in that range.  Can you tell me where the photograph was taken
from?


Something I've been interested in is sort of the
reverse problem - knowing where a photograph was
taken(e.g. you have a GPS waypoint), and maybe
even a bearing (e.g. from a compass), can you
tell me what mountains are in the photograph?

Because of the potential viewscape, having good
elevation data for an entire mountain range
may not be sufficient. For example:
http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/photos/boise2.jpg
That was taken On the Pinecone Lake Trail, near
Squamish, B.C., Canada. The view looks past Hopefull
Meadows over the Boise Valley, with Mount Baker
(Washington State, USA) in the distance.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New System May Disrupt GPS Signals

2011-02-10 Thread Dave Patton
On 2011/02/10 2:56 PM, cruise...@comcast.net wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Stephen Woodbridgewood...@swoodbridge.com
 To: OSGeo Discussionsdiscuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Sent: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:16:20 - (UTC)
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] New System May Disrupt GPS Signals
 
 This is very disturbing if it is approved!
 
 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/7/obama-to-america-get-lost/
 
 new system will disrupt GPS signals.

 bunk and hokum!!!
 checking the application on the fcc website, lightsquaed is licensed to 
 operate in the spectrum above and below the GPS carier freqency. stop 
 spreading false rumors!


This is a good explanation:
http://freegeographytools.com/2011/how-the-fcc-plans-to-destroy-gps-a-simple-explanation
Based on Garmin's test results, there is a real concern
about GPS signal disruption.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs

2010-10-10 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/10/05 4:45 PM, Landon Blake wrote:

A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done
about the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about
a standard way to represent places, place names, place data on the web.
(I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.)


You might be interested in the O'Reilly book
RESTful Web Services
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596529260
The example used for chapter 5, Designing Read-Only
Resource-Oriented Services, is about 'serving maps':
I'll only serve maps that use a standard 2-D coordinate
system: a way of identifying any given point on the map.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2010: Good, Bad and the Ugly

2010-09-16 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/09/16 5:00 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

On 2010/09/16 19:42, Mateusz Loskot wrote: ...

I very much supported this idea of paying for the shirts! How
many T-Shirts end up being unused? It makes a lot of sense from
an ecological / sustainability point of view to not just give
away for free.


I second Jeroen's opinion here. The price was 5 EUR per t-shirt
making it affordable.


Affordable, yes. But the registration fee should have included this
affordable part.


Build some flexibility into the registration process.
For those who do early bird registration, have a single
option where they make a choice whether or not they
want 'the OSGeo swag'. That could be a t-shirt + bag
+ LiveCD + button + etc. Have a single reasonable price.
Once early bird registration ends you know just how
much swag to produce for 'the early birds', so you only
have to guess at the rest of the numbers. It lessens the
risk for this one cost item, and allows some of the
attendees to 'opt out'.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 5 Star OSGeo project maturity rating

2010-06-09 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/06/04 1:49 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

For the OSGeo LiveDVD and OSGeo marketing material, I propose we use
a 5 star maturity rating. This is because it is too difficult to
explain in a couple of words, the difference between: Graduated,
In Incubation, Stable, Beta Again, I'm interested to hear
comments on whether I have defined a good rating system, before we
set it in stone.


Don't use any rating system, as that implies to most people
some (usually subjective) judgment. For example, people looking
at marketing materials might think it reflects on product quality.
It sounds to me like you want to define a simple categorization
system, not a rating system.

Don't use stars, because again, it's too often used as a visual
indicator in rating systems.

I'm still not convinced in my own mind that doing something as
simple as calling it a Maturity Categorization, and using
from 1 to 5 OSGeo Logos vs using stars would provide a
solution that would be acceptable.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Any thoughts on the potential for using Seadragon as a map browsing interface?

2010-04-27 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/04/27 8:46 PM, Landon Blake wrote:

I'm not a web developer, but it seemed like the tech could be used
for browsing high-resolution map images.

http://www.seadragon.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ra5tp7K--I

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What GeoSpatial Open Source Software do Surveyors use?

2010-04-03 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/04/01 12:44 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
I'm giving a presentation on GeoSpatial Open Source at the international 
Surveyors conference here in Sydney.

http://www.fig2010.com/

I'd like advice on what use cases and Open Source packages I should 
focus on during the presentation.

Feedback from Surveyors welcomed.


A possible source of some information:
http://www.profsurv.com/magazine/archives.aspx

For example, entering software review (without
the quotes) seems to list the various articles
published under that 'section' of the magazine.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Db connect

2010-03-03 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/03/02 7:01 PM, Ravi wrote:

Hi, am using OSGeo4W bundle and the apache and php there in. Apache
installed OK showing as aservice and in the browser http:\\localhost 
issues the OSGeo4w welcome screen and phpthere on


with the following wish to connect to PGSQL 8.4 and postGIS there in 
with the following. But it doesnt work. Where am I going wrong ?


$db_handle = pg_connect(”host = localhost port = 5432 dbname =
postgis user = postgres password = GrassJump”); $query = “SELECT *
FROM rjybound”; $result = pgexec($dbhandle, $query);


Try something like this. (Not fully tested)

?
error_reporting(E_ALL);
$db_handle = pg_connect(host = localhost port = 5432 dbname = postgis 
user = postgres password = GrassJump);

if( $db_handle === FALSE ) {
  echo 'Failed to connect';
} else {
  $query = 'SELECT * FROM rjybound';
  $result = pg_query($db_handle, $query);
  if( $result === FALSE ) {
$error = pg_last_error($db_handle);
if( $error === FALSE ) {
  echo 'Unable to determine last error';
} else {
  echo 'Last Error = ' . $error;
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  } else {
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Db connect

2010-03-03 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/03/02 7:01 PM, Ravi wrote:

Hi, am using OSGeo4W bundle and the apache and php there in. Apache
installed OK showing as aservice and in the browser http:\\localhost 
issues the OSGeo4w welcome screen and phpthere on


with the following wish to connect to PGSQL 8.4 and postGIS there in 
with the following. But it doesnt work. Where am I going wrong ?


$db_handle = pg_connect(”host = localhost port = 5432 dbname =
postgis user = postgres password = GrassJump”); $query = “SELECT *
FROM rjybound”; $result = pgexec($dbhandle, $query);


Try something like this. (Not fully tested)

?
error_reporting(E_ALL);
$db_handle = pg_connect(host = localhost port = 5432 dbname = postgis 
user = postgres password = GrassJump);

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  echo 'Failed to connect';
} else {
  $query = 'SELECT * FROM rjybound';
  $result = pg_query($db_handle, $query);
  if( $result === FALSE ) {
$error = pg_last_error($db_handle);
if( $error === FALSE ) {
  echo 'Unable to determine last error';
} else {
  echo 'Last Error = ' . $error;
}
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] looking for OS softwre to stitch aerial photos automatically

2010-01-23 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/01/22 9:38 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:


In discussions with some of the OSSIM team, they are interested in
this area but the current app does not do this. Other options that
have come up are OpenCv and Nasa Image Workbench but both of these
are programming libraries and would require c/c++ coding.


Although this isn't directly related to the end goal of achieving
geo-referenced aerial imagery via OS software, AutoStitch does a
great job of automatic panoramic image mosaicing:
http://www.autostitch.net/

The licensing info says We are happy to hear from companies
interested in developing products using AutoStitch, so perhaps
a call from Tyler (who also happens to be in BC) to the office
at UBC would be appropriate, to see if there is any possibility
of collaboration between them and OSGeo to utilize their code
in an OSGeo-backed project.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fleet management

2010-01-04 Thread Dave Patton

On 2010/01/04 10:41 AM, Louis Sayers wrote:


On the driver side (running on the GPS device - I'm thinking
touchscreen) the mapping software would provide driver directions 
visually and possibly audibly - just like a Navigation device e.g.

TomTom - but with a few custom buttons etc on it to let the driver
send info back to the server.


For some jurisdictions, the GPS Device would need
to be able to respond to voice commands, rather than
the driver having to use buttons. For example, new
legislation here in BC that took effect January 1st
says about GPS navigation systems:
It can be programmed in a voice-activated manner
http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/publications/docs/electronic-devices-while-driving-info.pdf

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-22 Thread Dave Patton

On 2009/08/21 11:55 AM, Landon Blake wrote:

I would like to get some comments on a phenomenon I have discovered
among the OpenJUMP community. I know for sure of one (1) company that
maintains a separate fork of OpenJUMP, but which monitors our mailing
list and likely grabs patches form our source code repository. They
never participate in the forums or make known their use of OpenJUMP in
any other public manner.



I couldn't for the life of me figure out why this company wouldn't take
a more active role in supporting the OpenJUMP community.


Some companies, governments, and institutions have policies
in place that prohibit or limit the ability of employees to
'participate' on forums or mailing lists. Lurking by reading
blogs, list archives, forum postings, etc. may be allowed, but
employees may not be permitted, during 'work hours' to participate.
For some people, if it's 'about the job' they won't then use
their own off-work time to participate, and even for those that
do, they may be prohibited from making any mention that they
work for company X, so you may have participation from one
or more people from company X, but not know it.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Some cialis spam in the wiki...

2009-07-04 Thread Dave Patton

On 2009/07/04 8:00 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Anne Ghisla wrote:

Is this enough to avoid such spam? Is't captcha better?
I can have a look at how it can be implemented in user login (I know it
is already active when a user adds external links to a page).


Go for it.  If you find instructions, I can enable it.


There is a MediaWiki Extension for reCaptcha [1]
http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/

[1]
http://recaptcha.net/learnmore.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Video Bolsena 2009 OSGeo Hacking Event

2009-07-01 Thread Dave Patton

On 2009/07/01 7:34 AM, Just van den Broecke wrote:

Hi,

A freestyle media mix from last week's event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxox3AsjH6Q


Nice - thanks for doing that!

Maybe someone will do something similar for FOSS4G2009?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo4w setup.exe source code?

2009-03-15 Thread Dave Patton

On 2009/02/25 7:51 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

nicholas.g.lawre...@mainroads.qld.gov.au wrote:

Hello list.
Thanks everyone for the great work done with OSGeo4W.
I have a strange (maybe) question. I suppose that osgeo4w setup.exe is
a fork of the cygwin's setup. Is it possible to view/download its
source code?



Thanks, Giovanni


I have a different question.

Is setup.exe the best way to install software on microsoft windows?

Has Windows Installer, that is an .msi file been considered?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_installer

I know that my IT section has a strong preference for software
to be installed via .msi.


Nick,

Originally we were hopeful about being able to produce MSI files as these
are considered to be easier for some IT departments to deploy.  But in
the end it did not appear that MSI files provide support for many of the
things we wanted to address.  Notably - fine grained packages, 
dependencies,

upgrade versioning, and only downloading the parts that are needed from the
net.

I would like to think that the OSGeo4W .tar.bz2 package files could still
be repackaged as MSI files for specific situations.


Frank's last sentence explains what will happen in some
organizations, no matter how the OSGeo4W 'installer'
is created.

Where I work, any product that is going to be installed
on 'more than a few' workstations has to be packaged.

If the vendor's software (e.g. OSGeo4W) is provided as
a setup.exe, then that will be 'exploded', and the
component parts (files, registry settings, shortcuts, etc)
are all included in an MSI file.

If the vendor supplies their software in an MSI, then we
never modify that MSI, but will always add an MST (a file
that is used during the installation to Transform the MSI).
Our MST might simply add properties to control how the
installation takes place (e.g. suppress all user interaction),
or it might be 'more intrusive', to the point of not installing
parts of the vendor's software package.

As for the flexibility of using an MSI, they can be very
flexible, so I'm not sure what limitations were encountered
in regards to OSGeo4W. They can likely be overcome, however,
like anything else, it may take some time/effort, and the
choice might be to spend that time/effort on other things.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] defining a Geospatial Integration Showcase to be launched at FOSS4G 2009

2008-10-23 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/22 3:58 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Cameron Shorter wrote:
The OGC, a likely supporter, will be talking with our FOSS4G 
organising committee early next week, and I'd like to table ideas from 
you, the OSGeo community, to the meeting.



Data is where it starts; do you have data?


Data is certainly needed, but the 'most important thing'
is to make it happen. For FOSS4G 2007, we had lots of
data, loaded onto a server, but the Integration Showcase
didn't take place.

For 2009, I'd suggest only two sets of data are needed:
- Australian/New Zealand data, so that 'local' participants
  can see 'local data', and so as to draw 'local' data
  custodians into participation in FOSS4G 2009
- OSGeo datasets, because they are widely available, and
  may already be used as example datasets in training
  materials, etc.

Having other datasets, and/or services, might be nice, but
could always be dealt with 'later on', if there is time
'right before the conference'. Also, if the Integration
Showcase is 'up and running', then it provides the opportunity
for people to create Workshops that show people how to
take 'their data' and use it in a similar fashion. People
can take the Workshop, get some knowledge, and then see
in the Integration Showcase real live examples, and hopefully
will be able to understand how they can apply the knowledge
to 'their own' data sources.

If the above is to be able to be done, then it suggests that
the technologies used by the Integration Showcase should all
be covered by Workshops and/or Presentations, so that people
can both see the Integration Showcase, and also have the
opportunities to learn about 'how it all fits together'.
Those opportunities should probably include both 'beginner
level' as well as some 'pushing the envelope advanced stuff'.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can we use a LiveDVD for workshops and labs at FOSS4G 2009?

2008-10-19 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/19 1:30 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
I'm wondering whether it will be achievable and desirable to use a 
GeoFOSS LiveDVD as the only installed operating system at workshops

and labs at FOSS4G 2009.



So my questions to communities are:

Do you and your project think you would commit to packaging your
project into a debian based LiveDVD before FOSS4G in October 2009?

For presenters, would you want to add tutorial material to the
LiveDVD, which would mean using an Open licence like Creative
Commons?


I would start by asking a different question - does anyone
foresee any issue with not having MS Windows available as
an option for Workshops/Labs for FOSS4G 2009?

We might not want to restrict the discussion to OSGeo projects.
What if a Sponsor, or Exhibitor, or 'some software company', or
'some non-OSGeo project' submitted a proposal to deliver a
Workshop/Lab, and it merited consideration for inclusion in the
conference, but it required MS Windows?

Were there Workshops/Labs at FOSS4G 2008 that could not have
been delivered without having MS Windows?

If we assume that there was 'some need' for MS Windows for
FOSS4G 2009, but that it wasn't needed for all the PCs,
how would people react to Workshops/Labs that required
MS Windows also requiring a higher registration fee?
(i.e. higher by the incremental cost of the license to
use MS Windows on the PC for the Workshop/Lab)


P.S.
It helps if everyone uses the term Instructors when
referring to Workshops/Labs, because Presenter makes
people think of Presentations, and sometimes that
causes confusion.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESRI Spain conference incident

2008-10-18 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/17 12:15 AM, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote:

Hi All, I resend this mail to OSGeo discuss because I think is a
serious incident that cannot be obviated and shows how things are
getting at least in Spanish market.



As Alvaro says, why they have this behavior with his colleagues? Maybe
they fear FOSS companies?

Anyway, all of you are invited to the gvSIG conf, even to discuss,
it's free in both senses ;)


ESRI was a sponsor at FOSS4G 2007, and had a Lab.
Who knows, maybe they will be involved somehow in
FOSS4G 2009(for sure they won't be excluded just
because they are viewed as competition for FOSS).
Perhaps they can have a booth in the exhibition
(and maybe gvSIG wants to have a booth right next
to the ESRI booth ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint

2008-10-11 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote:


Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the
number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the
sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better.


Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint
who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference?
In other words, does the code sprint registration need
to be distinct from the conference registration in order
to capture everyone who is wanting to attend?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] attendance at PKP 2009 Conference

2008-10-10 Thread Dave Patton

As OSGeo intends to use OCS[1] as the software
for the management of OSGeo conferences, should
someone from OSGeo be attending the PKP 2009
Conference[2], July 8 – 10, 2009 in Vancouver,
British Columbia, Canada?

[1] http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ocs
[2] http://pkp.sfu.ca/node/1663

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/09 10:57 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?


A chalet? Back east? Isn't that the
definition of Frank's place? ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-07 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/07 11:04 AM, Landon Blake wrote:
It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of 
acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine

which host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the
most users.


That would only let you look at the impact on
OSGeo members. Even for a regional conference,
that does not include the complete universe of
potential delegates for the conference. I have
no idea whether it would be a useful predictor
of overall conference attendance.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

2008-10-07 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/07 11:19 AM, Chip Taylor wrote:

I have to agree that something more local needs to be offered as well.  I
attended the Victoria conference and found it to be one of the most useful
conferences I had attended in many years.  But the cost of an airline ticket
from Seattle to Capetown was nearly $2,000 US. Flying time to Capetown was
on the order of 24 hours and returning the flying time was over 31 hours.
That's 55 hours of grueling travel time, not to mention airport time. Add in
the hotel/BB/tent/sleeping on the street, food and the conference fees you
are talking a good bit of expense here.   In both cash and time, this was
just too prohibitive.  My company would have rejected it outright and I
certainly could not have afforded it from my own funds.

 


I hope to attend a FOSS4G conference again, but I am afraid with world
finances the way they are, as well as airline situations, it will be quite a
few years before I can do that.

 


Chip Taylor

Prepared Response, Inc

Tacoma, WA


If you 'reverse the directions' in Chip's text, you might get
the wording used by people in Capetown to explain why they
perhaps didn't wouldn't a FOSS4G conference in Seattle. And
the same might have been said for some people in Australia who
didn't attend FOSS4G 2007 in Victoria BC Canada, but then you
could probably 'reverse' that in 2009 for why some people won't
attend FOSS4G 2009 in Sydney Australia. It just reinforces
that by moving FOSS4G around geographically, each year some
people will be unable to attend, while at the same time
others will have an opportunity to attend that year. Overall,
the most good for the most people, given time.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Local Chapter, network and structuration

2008-08-26 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/08/26 3:08 PM, James Fee wrote:

I overheard someone say at GeoWeb 2008 that they could care less about
FOSS4G outside of North America and they have no interest in what will
probably be the next couple FOSS4Gs around the world.


Hearing things like that, and the reactions about it being
'impossible' for USA state and local government employees, etc.,
make me wonder if there is any value in having the organizing
committees of 'foreign' OSGeo events doing any marketing
directly to such people.

The glass half empty view would be that such marketing
is 'a waste of time and money', because such people either
aren't personally interested, or their workplace has policies
that won't allow them to attend.

The glass half full view is that by directly marketing
to such people (who might want to self-identify, to make
sure they are on the relevant 'marketing lists') they get
the opportunity to have discussions with their supervisor(s),
and that if, over time, enough people raise the issue enough
times, along with examples of how other jurisdictions get
value from sending their staff to 'foreign events', maybe
things will change.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration

2008-08-25 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/08/25 9:18 AM, Landon Blake wrote:

There is no way I can go to FOSS4G in a foreign country, but I could
likely get to a North American meeting on the West Coast. I'm sure
others are in the same boat.


Well, North America's West Coast includes the
'foreign countries' of Canada and Mexico, if you
live in the USA.

If people are saying they can't attend [insert name
of OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to
state why they can't attend. There is a difference
between travel/accommodation cost is 'too high'
and my workplace has to authorize the travel, and
they do not send people to events outside the
continent, regardless of the costs.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo and use of freenode for IRC

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Patton

OSGeo makes use of freenode for IRC, including both
'general OSGeo channels' such as #osgeo and project-
specific channels.

1)
Has the OSGeo board considered contributing to the
Peer-Directed Projects Center?
http://freenode.net/how_to_help.shtml

2)
Has the OSGeo foundation, or any of the OSGeo projects,
done the Group Registration with freenode?
http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml

3)
There has been, on more than one occasion, discussion
about whether to use #foss4g as the channel for any
discussions relating to the FOSS4G conference, or to
continue the pattern of creating a new channel for
each year (e.g. #foss4g2007, #foss4g2008, etc.).
Jeff McKenna (Conference Committee chair) suggested
deferring any decision until after FOSS4G2008, so as
not to disrupt any communications relating to the
conference, which makes sense.
I only raise the issue now because such planning might
relate to Group Registration.
Info on channel registration on freenode:
http://blog.freenode.net/?p=78
Also, it is possible to setup a series of channels such
as #foss4g2009, #foss4g2010, etc., and have /join requests
redirected to a different channel such as #foss4g
(e.g. /mode #foss4g2008 +if #foss4g)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Director's Insurance (Chickens, Boards and Export Restrictions)

2008-06-16 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/06/16 8:30 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would like to ask the board to revisit this issue and provide
clear guidance on just what support official position holders can
expect from OSGeo.


Bruce,

Is this question with regard to local chapters, conference
organizers, or OSGeo officers in general?  If Tyler comes up with a
Directors and Officers insurance quote, would you be interested in
reviewing it to see if it does what you think is needed?

I'm quite concerned that comprehensive DO insurance that covers us 
globally is likely to be very expensive, and that standard DO

insurance is not likely to give you the sort of fail-safe coverage
that you seem to want.


At least in part, the points raised by Cameron and Bruce
relate to the roles, responsibilities, and potential
liabilities of people working on the organization of
the FOSS4G 2009 conference, however, the basic issue(s)
probably apply more broadly.

Rather than Directors and Officers insurance, we may
be looking for Errors and Omissions insurance (or both).

Perhaps it would be useful to determine a name that could
be used for the class of 'people who perform some actions
or services on behalf of OSGeo', and who are not employees
of OSGeo?

My thought is that such people (OSGeo volunteer?) could
be specifically covered by any insurance policy (based on
participation in that class of people, not by being named
individually), and that for specific time periods, specific
people could be named by OSGeo to belong to that category.

For example, if OSGeo had an insurance policy that covered
OSGeo volunteers, then perhaps OSGeo naming the FOSS4G
local organizing committee members as OSGeo volunteers,
for the period from bid acceptance through to the end
of any FOSS4G-related contracts, would provide a suitable
amount of coverage for the committee members?


The BC Strata Property Act deals in part with people
who serve on Strata Councils, and those people are
volunteers, but routinely deal with financial matters.
The act mentions the required standard of care:
http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/S/98043_04.htm#section31
and also insurance:
http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/S/98043_09.htm#section151

Here's a couple of examples of insurance that covers volunteers:
https://forums.scc.ca/forums/scc/dispatch.cgi/HELPDESK/docProfile/100023/d19990825181803
http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/25533.html


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Chickens, Boards and Export Restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/06/12 8:56 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:

Anyway. Another triviality we need to address are export restrictions. 
Due to formal reasons OSGeo was required to incorporate[4]. It could 
have been Togo - home of one of the most active and diverse spatial 
communities[5]. Or it could have been Switzerland, one of the most 
neutral (soccer looser) nations or it could have been Canada


Many shipping companies have their ships registered
under a flag of convenience. Should OSGeo consider
setting sail in that direction? Are there practical
matters (e.g. wording in the foundation's charter
or letters of incorporation) that preclude OSGeo from
being incorporated in multiple jurisdictions?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Chickens, Boards and Export Restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/06/12 5:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

IMO:


Paul,

Some Local Chapters are going through this process currently, e.g. 
OSGeo-AustNZ.


We will need to incorporate as a non profit within Australia with its 
overheads of audits, annual fees etc.


One potential upside is that we may get some protection by way of 
Directors Insurance for people making decisions on behalf of OSGeo  (or 
the local chapter).


During the recent FOSS4G-2009 work, several of us were left high and dry 
with no protection from the parent body. This situation is not acceptable.


I understand what Bruce is referring to, but, depending on
the relevant legislation, should an issue ever arise where
'the legal system' was potentially going to be involved, the
lack of a Directors and Officers or Volunteers insurance
policy may not leave people high and dry.

Sometimes, legislation will protect people who provide
services to an organization on a volunteer basis. The
premise is that if such lay people are acting on a best
effort basis to 'do the right thing', they are protected,
even if it turns out they 'did the wrong thing'.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: GeoConnections - WebCas t presentation of WMS-WCS Geospatial Catalogue for ArctivN et project/IPY / GéoConnexions - Présentation WebCast du projet de Catalogue géospatial WMS-W

2008-06-09 Thread Dave Patton

FYI:

 Original Message 
Subject: GeoConnections - WebCast presentation of WMS-WCS Geospatial 
Catalogue for ArctivNet project/IPY / GéoConnexions -  Présentation 
WebCast du projet de Catalogue géospatial WMS-WCS pour ArctivNet/IPY

Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:32:48 -0400
From: info-geoconnections [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: info-geoconnections [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(Le français suit)



WMS-WCS Geospatial Catalogue for ArctivNet/IPY

The WMS-WCS Geospatial Catalogue for ArctivNet/IPY enables web users to 
query, review and have geospatial products delivered through the use of 
the CGDI endorsed standards, WMS and WCS services. The geospatial data 
resides on a distributed network linked through WMS and WCS services. 
This network is capable of on going expansion through these CGDI 
endorsed services. Although the goal of the project was to implement the 
WMS/WCS functionality on the host server at CCIN and a remote WMS/WCS 
system for the data provider, the software has been repackaged as a 
standalone CD for data suppliers and server for use by Noetix in other 
projects. The package consists of WMS, WCS, and PostGIS, and XML 
database population tools.


GeoConnections will be hosting a presentation of the results from this 
project:




When: Thursday, June 19, 13:00-15:00 EDT

Web/Telephone Access:  Contact David Sampson at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Link to company website: http://www.noetix.on.ca/ 
http://www.noetix.on.ca/




This presentation will provide an overview of the Noetix WMS-WCS 
Geospatial Catalogue for ArctivNet/IPY and its architecture, as well as 
a demonstration followed by a discussion.




Agenda:



1.  Overview of the WMS-WCS Geospatial Catalogue for ArctivNet/IPY

2.  Architecture of System

3.  Products that have been produced

4.  Demo

5.  Discussion



*



Catalogue géospatial WMS-WCS pour ArctivNet/IPY



Le catalogue géospatial WMS-WCS pour ArctivNet/IPY permet aux 
utilisateurs du web d'interroger, réviser et livrer des produits 
géospatiaux par le biais de normes adoptées par l'ICDG qui sont le WMS 
et WCS.  Les données géospatiales résident dans un réseau de 
distribution interrelié par des services WMS et WCS.  Ce réseau convient 
à une expansion continue par le biais de ces normes et services adoptés 
par l'ICDG.  Même si l'objectif de ce projet était d'implanter les 
fonctionnalités WMS/WCS sur le principal serveur du CCIN et sur un autre 
serveur comme système WMS/WCS à distance de fournisseur de données, le 
logiciel a aussi été assemblé afin de créer un CD standalone pour les 
fournisseurs de données et pour les pour l'usage de Noetix dans le cadre 
d'autres projets.  L'assemblage consiste en des outils de population de 
bases de données WMS, WCS, PostGIS et XML.




GéoConnexions tiendra une séance Internet pour présenter les résultats 
de ce projet:




Quand: Le jeudi 19 juin, 13:00-15:00 HAE

Accès Internet/Téléphonique: Contactez David Sampson à [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lien vers le site de la compagnie (anglais seulement): 
http://www.noetix.on.ca/




Cette présentation (en anglais) fournira un aperçu du catalogue 
géospatial WMS-WCS pour ArctivNet/IPY ainsi que son architecture ainsi 
qu'une démonstration suivie de discussion.




Agenda:



1.  Aperçu du catalogue géospatial WMS-WCS pour ArctivNet/IPY

2.  Architecture du système

3.  Produits générés

4.  Démonstration

5.  Discussion





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[OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: GeoConnections - WebCas t presentation of Geo-referenced Document Management Syste m Project / GéoConnexions - Présentation WebCast du p rojet de système géo-référencé de gestio

2008-06-07 Thread Dave Patton

Forwarding this, just in case it's of interest
to anyone.

 Original Message 
Subject: GeoConnections - WebCast presentation of Geo-referenced 
Document Management System Project / GéoConnexions -  Présentation 
WebCast du projet de système géo-référencé de gestion de documents

Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:28:44 -0400
From: info-geoconnections [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(Le français suit)



Geo-referenced Document Management System



MRF Geosystems Corp has developed an industry-leading web-based GIS 
editing solution called MRF GISNet. Using this solution, an enterprise 
can be enabled to allow each staff member to perform GIS tasks such as 
map viewing, GIS analysis, map plotting, and GIS editing.




With the financial support from GeoConnections under the Directed 
Innovations program, MRF developed a web-based Geo-referenced Document 
Management System and implemented this system at two collaborating 
organizations: Alberta SRD for Alberta Wildfire System, and Orange 
County, California for Cadastral Record Management.  Both organisations 
are using the MRF GISNet editing solution as their base platform.




GeoConnections will be hosting a presentation of the results from this 
project:




When: Thursday, June 12, 10:00-12:00 EDT

Web/Telephone Access:  Contact David Sampson at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Link to company website: www.mrf.com http://www.mrf.com/



This presentation will provide an overview of the MRF GISNet system, as 
well as demonstration / discussion of both the Geo-referenced Document 
Management Systems for Alberta Sustainable Resource Development and for 
Orange County, California




Agenda:



1.  MRF Introduction

2.  MRF GISNet for web-based GIS editing

3.  Geo-referenced Document Management System for Alberta 
Sustainable Resource Development


4.  Geo-referenced Document Management System for Orange County, 
California


5.  QA



*



Système géo-référencé de gestion de documents



MRF Geosystems Corp a développé une solution d'édition géospatiale basée 
sur le web appelée MRF GISNet. Avec cette solution, une entreprise peut 
être outillée afin de permettre à chacun de ses employés d'effectuer des 
tâches reliées aux SIG telles que la visualisation de cartes, l'analyse 
géospatiale, l'impression de cartes et l'édition géospatiale.




Avec la contribution financière de GéoConnexions sous le programme 
d'innovations dirigées, MRF a développé un système géo-référencé de 
gestion de document basé sur le web et a implanté ce système aux bureaux 
de 2 organisations collaboratrices au projet: Alberta SRD for Alberta 
Wildfire System et Orange County, California for Cadastral Record 
Management.  Les deux organisations utilisent la solution d'édition MRF 
GISNet comme plate-forme de base.




GéoConnexions tiendra une séance Internet pour présenter les résultats 
de ce projet:




Quand: Le jeudi 12 juin, 10:00-12:00 HAE

Accès Internet/Téléphonique: Contactez David Sampson à [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lien vers le site de la compagnie (anglais seulement): www.mrf.com 
http://www.mrf.com/




Cette présentation (en anglais) fournira un aperçu du système MRF GISNet 
et une démonstration / discussion des deux implantations, i.e. Alberta 
SRD for Alberta Wildfire System et Orange County, California for 
Cadastral Record Management.




Agenda:



1.  Introduction à MRF

2.  Solution d'édition MRF GISNet

3.  Système géo-référencé de gestion de document pour Alberta 
Sustainable Resource Development


4.  Système géo-référencé de gestion de document pour Orange 
County, California


5.  QR



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[OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: GeoConnections - Webcas t Presentation of SensorBay Project / GéoConnexions - P résentation Webcast du projet SensorBay]

2008-06-07 Thread Dave Patton

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Subject: GeoConnections - Webcast Presentation of SensorBay Project / 
GéoConnexions -  Présentation Webcast du projet SensorBay

Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:44:03 -0400
From: info-geoconnections [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(Le français suit)



Emerging Web-sensor standards and technologies



The proliferation of real-time and near real-time data sources (weather, 
water, air) over the Internet has resulted in a need for a standardized 
approach to discovery, visualization and access of observation and 
measurement data.  As well, end user applications catering to casual 
users (neogeography, Google Earth, mashups, etc.) are increasingly 
leveraging data originating from instruments such as in-situ sensors.




The Open GeoSpatial Consortium (OGC) SensorWeb Enablement activity aims 
to define a suite of standards which apply to sensors and the phenomenon 
they measure, which includes:


 * station descriptions

 * site data encoding

 * alerting and mission / feasibility planning



Recently, as part of the GeoConnections Directed Innovations Program, 
Compusult has completed the SensorBay project, which provides a 
community portal for the Placentia Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador region.




GeoConnections will be hosting a presentation of the results from this 
project:




When: Friday, June 13, 10:00-12:00 EDT

Web/Telephone Access:  Contact David Sampson at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Link to Project Description: http://www.sensorbay.ca/ 
http://www.sensorbay.ca/


This presentation will provide an overview of OGC SensorWeb, as well as 
a demonstration / discussion of the SensorBay project as a community 
information portal contributing to CGDI


Agenda:

 - Introduction

 - Intro and Overview of OGC SensorWeb

 - SensorBay Project

- Overview

- Project Demonstration

- Current development efforts and future plans

- Other projects and initiatives building on 
SensorBay


- Discussion



*

Émergence des standards et technologies Web-sensor



La prolifération des sources de données en temps réel et quasi-réel 
(climat, eau, air) par le biais d'Internet a entrainé un besoin de 
standardisation des approches de découverte, visualisation et accès des 
données de mesure et d'observation.  De plus, l'apport des applications 
à l'endroit des utilisateurs occasionnels (néo-géographie, Google Earth, 
applications composites ou mashups, etc.) sert de façon importante de 
levier pour les données émanant d'instruments tels que les senseurs 
in-situ .




L'activité reliée au SensorWeb Enablement du Open GeoSpatial Consortium 
(OGC) a pour but de définir une suite de standards qui s'appliquent aux 
senseurs et aux phénomènes qu'ils mesurent et qui incluent:


 * descriptions des stations

 * encodage des sites de données

 * alerte et mission / faisabilité de planification



Récemment, dans le cadre du programme des innovations dirigées de 
GéoConnexions, Compusult a complété le projet de SensorBay, lequel 
fournit un portail communautaire pour la Placentia Bay dans la province 
de Terre-Neuve et du Labrador.




GéoConnexions tiendra une séance Internet pour présenter les résultats 
de ce projet:




Quand: Le vendredi 13 juin, 10:00-12:00 HAE

Accès Internet/Téléphonique: Contactez David Sampson à [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lien vers la description du projet (en anglais seulement): 
http://www.sensorbay.ca/


Cette présentation (en anglais) fournira un aperçu du OGC SensorWeb et 
une démonstration / discussion du projet SensorBay comme portail 
communautaire contribuant à l'ICDG.


Agenda:

 - Introduction

 - Intro et aperçu du OGC SensorWeb

 - Projet SensorBay

- Aperçu

- Démonstration du projet

- Développement courant et plans futurs

- Autres projets et initiatives basés sur SensorBay

- Discussion





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2007 Videos

2008-05-14 Thread Dave Patton

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

I was recently reminded about videos for last years FOSS4G event.
The only videos we have are from the opening and closing plenary
sessions and they've been posted online for a while:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/57493 
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/57938


They are pretty good quality, though there is some sound clipping and
 you can't see the actual slides, only the speaker.


I've created a wiki page for FOSS4G2007 Video and Photos:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2007_Video_and_Photos

I added some notes that may help people to get the
videos to play properly.

Maybe someone wants to create a Table of Contents
(that includes the timecode for each section) for
each video and put it on this page ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: scale of FOSS projects

2008-05-06 Thread Dave Patton

Gilberto Camara wrote:


(c) Many innovations are produced at academic institutions.
Most of those institutions have no incentive nor mission
to support open-source development projects. Taking these
innovations out of academia and giving them institutional
support (private or public) is a way to ensuring these
innovations are exposed to the market. Those with real value
will survive.


Some academic institutions have programs that help
develop support for innovations, such as the
University-Industry Liaison Office at the University
of British Columbia:
http://www.uilo.ubc.ca/about_mission.asp

To help evangelize OS, one of the useful elements
is 'use cases', to show prospective users of OS
software why/how they can make use of the various
OS software relevant to their needs. Perhaps people
can also develop 'use cases' to show academic
institutions the value of assisting innovation
to flourish in an OS environment, without necessarily
focusing on patents and building wealth.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] IMTA Global Conference Trade Show 2008

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Patton

Is there any plan for OSGeo to have a presence
at the IMTA Global Conference  Trade Show 2008,
Sept 14-16, in Vancouver BC?
http://www.maptrade.org/events/displayevent.php?id=87

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Dave Patton

Ari Jolma wrote:

Markus Neteler kirjoitti:

Dear OSGeo,

I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library



3) a mechanism to allow plugins that add legends etc. on the map



3) is rather straight-forward


Actually, dealing with the legend, or the contents
of the entire map collar, is non-trivial, however, a
library that can render the content within a map's
neat line has all the tools necessary to be able to
render the map's collar. The difference may be that
there would need to be some additional functionality,
or different methods of calling the same underlying
functionality, in order to make the tasks involved
in composing the collar easy.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Job offers moderation

2008-01-31 Thread Dave Patton

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Hi,

We have [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] mailing list dedicated to post job 
offers by companies looking for FOSS/GIS specialists.

The list is moderated.

We've talked with Lorenzo a bit about what should the moderation process 
look like. What criteria should we use to accept or not a job posting.

So, we've decided to ask the Community.

Should we assume the list is only for job offers in GIS field
*and* related to Free and Open Source Software market?

Or, we should accept offers to GIS specialists but not related to FOSS?

I believe it's quite important to define moderation rules.


I'd suggest that the number one moderation job is to try and
make sure the job offers are real, and not just people
fishing for talent, or 'free consulting', etc. Perhaps a
requirement of a web presence for the company making the
offer, including their own 'employment' webpage, along with
perhaps a (unpublished?) contact phone number that can be
used by the moderators.

As far as jobs not related to FOSS, it could be argued
that they should be there, as a way for FOSS evangelists
to 'infiltrate the other side' ;-)

One option might be to have two categories of postings,
where non-FOSS-related postings are limited to a single
paragraph and link to a more detail job posting on the
company's website, whereas job postings that include a
FOSS component (even if not Geospatially related?) can
be multiple paragraphs.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2007 Workshops/Labs Evaluations available

2007-12-02 Thread Dave Patton

The evaluations for the FOSS4G2007 Workshops
and Labs, including the tabulated results,
are now available via the OSGeo wiki:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_Workshop/Lab_Evaluations

P.S.
A big thanks to Bob Bruce for all his help
with the evaluations tabulations.

P.P.S.
If anyone is inclined to want to work on the
task of transcribing the written comments for
questions 10 and 11 on the evaluation forms,
please do so by self-organizing via this
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Obfuscation of data around 7.22n, -71.12W, no sources exist???

2007-11-18 Thread Dave Patton

Wilfred L. Guerin wrote:

I am driven to ask this to the community, since there is absolutely no
coherent data sets from any source we've found over many years,
including the local governments, for the area around 7.12N,-71.22W and
eastward to the -71.22W lattitude southward and a 50-100km radius.



Last week, I was notified by a student that a google map query for
7.22n,-71.12w or any derivative resolved to a place called SPY
HILL, Sasquachegan, Canada and a specific selection of roads there.


It's The Village of Spy Hill, Saskatchewan, Canada:
http://vila.sasktelwebsite.net/

The reason your student got this result is because
a search for 7.12N,-71.22W gets interpreted as
a request to find an Address, not a latitude/longitude
pair, and if you have 'the right map' displayed in
Google Maps, it finds the address '12' on Highway 22
in The Village of Spy Hill. Load the Google Maps page,
and before doing the search, zoom out so the whole
world is shown on the map, and you get different
results(i.e. addresses in Hungary, Poland, etc.).

If you formulate the search 'properly'(there are a
number of forms to use to do this, including
+7° 7' 12, -71° 13' 12, 7.12N,71.22W, etc)
Google Maps will show the proper location.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Canadian Chapter (call for interested individuals)

2007-10-17 Thread Dave Patton

Dave Sampson wrote:

Calling all Canucks,

Over at the Ottawa Chapter there has been a gaggle of discussions 
concerning chapters and OSGEO activity in Canada.


This is where I present the concept of the Canadian chapter of OSGEO. 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canada


Being 4 weeks + 1 day away from the initial meeting
of people interested in the formation of an OSGeo
BC Chapter, my initial opinion is that this is 'too early'.
I think a 'national chapter' would be better formed
once there are 'at least a few' local chapters.

On the other hand, maybe I have it backwards - in 4 weeks,
maybe it will be clear to the 'BC chapter' that we should
be forming a regional chapter within the 'OSGeo Canadian
National Chapter'.

P.S.
Of course we all know that we wouldn't want to fall into
'the same old pattern', so a national chapter would be
based 'out west', not in 'the center of Canada' ;-)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Evaluations (was: a home for OSGeo hardcopy materials?)

2007-10-12 Thread Dave Patton

Cameron Shorter wrote:
With a globally distributed, tech savvy community such as ours, I think 
that we should avoid using paper for all but the essential legal documents.


Paper can't be machine processed, eg: searched, and requires valuable 
man hours to read and processed.


For evaluation forms, I suggest we use a web based system in future.


For FOSS4G2007, the evaluation forms for the Conference
were done on paper, and the tabulation of those was
part of the services that the meeting management company,
Sea To Sky, provides to their clients.

For FOSS4G2007, the evaluation forms for the Workshops
and Labs were done on paper. Using a web-based system
was discussed, but was rejected in part because of
concern that it wasn't practical when two people were
sharing the same computer. The paper evaluation forms
are going to be scanned to PDF documents(1 per Workshop
or Lab), so they will be able to be searched and read.
The tabulation of the numeric results will be done by
hand, by members of the Workshop Committee, and made
available in a PDF document.

I don't have any hard evidence, but I think there will
be a higher proportion of evaluations filled out when
they are on paper, right in front of the attendees, with
prompts from the Instructors to fill them in, than using
a web-based system. Some people at FOSS4G2007(although
not many) did complete the paper evaluation form and hand
it in later at the registration desk. Scanning the paper
forms to PDF allows for a distributed process of tabulation,
and could possibly be done via Amazon Mechanical Turk:
http://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

For future conferences, direct involvement of, and payment to,
a local group for the management and tabulation of paper
evaluation forms could provide a tangible local benefit.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Evaluations

2007-10-12 Thread Dave Patton

Cameron Shorter wrote:

Comments noted.
As I'm helping put in a bid for FOSS09 in Sydney, I'm keen to see the 
results of your evaluation analysis, but am daunted by the prospect of 
reading 700 scanned forms. Tabulated results + list of comments would 
certainly be of interest.
When do you expect to have this information? I'm hoping we can see it 
before our draft version of our bid is finished in around a month.


It will be more like 778 scanned pages, but I've sorted
each set of forms so that when you read a Workshop's or
Lab's PDF, all the pages with comments are at the front.

So, once we also have tabulations of the results, you
don't have to read every page to read all the comments.
Maybe only as few as 400 pages? ;-)

We don't yet have a plan to transcribe the comments on
the forms into some sort of 'list'.

As for the timing, the scanning will be done in about
a week. I don't know how long it will take before we
have the results tabulated. Workshop/Lab Instructors
may be provided access to the PDFs before the results
are tabulated.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting new projects

2007-10-11 Thread Dave Patton

Paul Spencer wrote:
I'd like to open a discussion on how OSGeo is (or is not) supporting 
brand new projects.


While at the FOSS4G 2007 conference (awesome job Paul R. and gang), a 
number of new people (new to the conference and/or to me) approached me 
to demonstrate their particular projects and ask how to make them Open 
Source.



Our current incubation process favours established projects,


For folks already established in OS and OSGeo, we have established 
communities around ourselves that can be used to attract people to new 
projects that we are spawning - Fusion, for instance.  For others, 
though, there is no such place to launch a new project and to try to 
build the community of users and developers required to build a 
project.  They have no clue where to start.


What do others think about this?  Should OSGeo be in the business of 
helping new OSGeo projects get off the ground?


I was away after FOSS4G2007 ended, and have just now
read through all the responses in this thread.

If you read Paul's original email, or the above condensed
version, I think many of the responses make sense, including
the creation of the Labs wiki page.

However, I'm not sure the issue has been properly addressed.

They have no clue where to start.
That's in the same paragraph where 'community' is mentioned
more than once.

In a reply to Howard's email, Paul said:
What I am concerned with is people who have a great idea but
don't know what to do with it, or how one goes about establishing
a viable community. The people that I spoke with last week didn't
know how to get started.

I think the answer to someone who doesn't know where to start
should be Join the OSGeo community - here's how to do that

Maybe there should be a new wiki page that such people can be
pointed to. That page, and the existing Labs wiki page, should
both be in the same wiki Category. The new page could certainly
reference the Labs page, as some people may be part of a project
community that wants to move towards incubation, but I didn't get
the sense from Paul's original email that is necessarily where
some of the people he spoke to should be starting. They maybe
just need to join OSGeo, and this mailing list, introduce
themselves and their idea/project, and ask the existing community
what their next step(s) should be.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-11 Thread Dave Patton

Tim Bowden wrote:

I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve the
experience?


First, a bit of background.
--
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

The original idea of the FOSS4G2007 Integration Showcase
was that Sponsors and Exhibitors would cooperate to build
a set of data and services, running on various platforms, that
would show the integration at work. Each Sponsor/Exhibitor
would have 'the Showcase Diagram' in their booth, but with
highlights showing where their products/services/data
fit into the overall Showcase.

Refractions bootstrapped this process by providing a
server, and, after some data was loaded and a PostGIS
database setup, making it available on the Internet.

The original plan was to use data from a variety of
sources, but due to some issues with licensing, it
was decided to go with the OSGeo Public Geospatial
Data Committee's idea and use only publicly available
geodata. Data from some Canadian sources was loaded
onto the Refractions server.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

There was a plan at one point for the Integration
Showcase data/services to be made available for use
by Workshop/Lab Instructors for use in their classes,
but that was dropped due to performance concerns.

As Tim noted, the Integration Showcase didn't move
much beyond the initial server/data.
--


The future.
==
Justin Deoliveira, of the Open Planning Project, was in charge
of the Integration Showcase, and he loaded the Canadian geodata
onto the Refractions server. During FOSS4G2007 I had a
discussion with Justin and Chris Holmes, about the Integration
Showcase. What came out of that was an idea of 'how to do it
better in the future'. I then had subsequent discussions with
some other people at the conference about this idea. Here is my
interpretation of the general outline of what was discussed.

The showcase consists of data and the products needed to
process that data and make it available in a variety of ways.

All OSGeo projects must contribute to the showcase, and keep
maintaining their portion of the showcase.

The showcase would initially be built using some known set
of data. Preparation before FOSS4G might include adapting
the showcase to use a set of 'local data'. OSGeo local
chapters might also produce sets of 'local data' for
use with the showcase.

The building of 'the showcase' should be done by OSGeo, not
as part of the preparation for a particular conference. There
may be multiple 'versions' of the showcase over time, but
there should be a stable version well in advance of FOSS4G.

Each FOSS4G conference should have a 'track' that consists of
starting with the data and working through the processing
of that data and installation  configuration of all the
showcase software. Because the showcase was already built
before the conference, this 'track' can be setup as a set
of distinct 'modules'. That provides the flexibility for
different students to attend different parts of the 'track',
as well as being able to start each module with a known
working setup.

Workshop/Lab Instructors, Presenters, Sponsors, and Exhibitors
would be encouraged to make use of the showcase's capabilities.

The showcase should be made available in various 'formats'.
That might include having a version always running on the
telascience servers, and having a LiveCD/DVD version
available for download.

A showcase such as this, along with some 'marketing materials',
could be used by OSGeo evangelists in their activities.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal Software Translation Portal

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Patton

Markus Neteler wrote:

Hi,

as you may know, some of the OSGeo software projects
come with translated messages. E.g. GRASS has been
translated (partially) into more than 10 languages.
We (GRASS) have a dedicated mailing list for this and
a translation manager who takes care of synchronization,
update and message standardization.

So far - so nice. But.

We could gain more translators with a Web based
solution (think rainy day and you just want to translate
10 messages and don't want to mess around with .po
files from CVS and so forth).


Making use of the Translation Project might open the door
to the existing pool of translators who are already used to
working with .po files because they are already working on
translations in many languages for many projects.
http://translationproject.org/html/welcome.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is there an Open Source software applicationthatwill draw a graticule on a map?

2007-09-07 Thread Dave Patton

Brent Fraser wrote:


  So to focus my investigation I started the week with a
question: Using the Canadian federal government CanVec
topographic vectors, how close to creating a printed
National Topographic Map could I get using an Open Source
GUI-based desktop GIS application?

  The answers:
From a programmer:Pretty close. Look, the
contours are brown!
From a cartographer:  Not close at all.  Where's the
graticule?!

(no offense meant to programmers or cartographers!)


If you want to focus other people on your problem,
why not point them to some free public data that
illustrates the issues?

Pick a Canadian NTS mapsheet, and give them the
URIs to:
- the CanMatrix product (a raster image made by
  scanning the front of the paper Canadian topo maps)
- the CanVec Canadian National Topographic Database
  data that you want to use to produce 'the same' map

P.S.
You and I both know that the result of using that
CanVec data won't exactly be the same as the CanMatrix
product, but at least it will be a concrete example
that people can use to 'get their hands dirty'.
If people think they have a solution, they can even
buy the actual paper map, and print their map made
from the vector data, at the same size, and compare.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Dave Patton

Sean Gillies wrote:

Dave Patton wrote:



The actual dollar number that you come up with will depend on various
factors, but you can argue that both the 500+ registrants for the
conference, and the conference's Sponsors/Exhibitors are all
contributing financially to OSGeo.


I'm contributing financially to OSGeo? How much? I don't remember 
reading anywhere on the conference website that the event is about OSGeo 
revenue.


Well, I didn't say it was about OSGeo revenue :-)

FOSS4G is presented annually by the
Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo).

There is of course a difference between gross revenue
and net revenue for something like a conference, where
there a lots of expenses, however, if the gross revenue
is shown on the OSGeo balance sheet, it can help make the
case that Autodesk isn't the only significant source of
revenue, even if the end result of the conference is
that it is 'revenue neutral'[1].

[1]
http://www.osgeo.org/files/conference/osgeo-conference-2007-request-for-proposal.pdf
OSGeo may also be in a position to provide some bridge
funding and take on liability for conference shortfalls
should attendance fall short. It is, however, intended
that the conference be essentially revenue neutral
after completion.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-28 Thread Dave Patton

Howard Butler wrote:

Most of OSGeo's measurable successes to date have been volunteer 
efforts, not primarily financially-backed ones.  The OSGeo Journal 
effort, Google Summer of Code administration, the Geodata committee's 
efforts, and even much of our system administration to keep the lights 
on for developer tools like Subversion/Trac have been volunteer 
enterprises (please help flesh out this list, these are only those I am 
most aware of, I know there have been many others).  However, I think 
financial resources, both in the capacity to generate sponsorship money 
and the ability to spend it wisely, are what provides the opportunity to 
set OSGeo apart and provide the volunteerism leverage.


When Autodesk came in and helped bootstrap OSGeo, it was fairly clear 
that our financial existence would not be an indefinite expenditure -- 
we would have to exist on our own.  Additionally, to meet 503c3 
requirements, we cannot have a situation where we have a majority 
benefactor as we do now.  We're almost two years down the road into 
bootstrapping, and our majority benefactor situation has budged very 
little.  As far as I know, our only significant incoming sponsorship 
dollars beyond Autodesk are the targeted development vehicles like 
those that pay for a permanent maintainer for GDAL.


There has certainly been a lot of volunteer effort by the organizers
of the FOSS4G 2007 conference, and the efforts of those volunteers will
continue through to the end of the conference, when the ball gets
picked up by the organizers of next year's conference.

The actual dollar number that you come up with will depend on various
factors, but you can argue that both the 500+ registrants for the
conference, and the conference's Sponsors/Exhibitors are all
contributing financially to OSGeo.

The Sponsors presumably wouldn't be spending money on the conference
if they didn't see value for their companies. Maybe it's an opportunity
for the new board to frame some questions at their meeting the day
before the conference, and to ask those questions of Sponsors during
the conference, to try and facilitate future opportunities for OSGeo
sponsorship by a variety of corporations, in a variety of ways.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Geographic Diversity

2007-08-16 Thread Dave Patton

P Kishor wrote:


I believe pegging Board-membership to geography is a good thing



I also believe that while one can contribute as much while being an
ordinary member as opposed to a charter or a Board member (I became a
charter member only a couple of months ago), Board membership could be
an important label to find local support. After all, if there were no
difference then why even have these different labels? When one is
going around drumming up support, having a position carries a heft.


Perhaps there is some resistance to artificially creating
a geographically diverse Board, but who say that is the
only option? There could be OSGeo Regional Representatives,
who are elected, and who, by definition, represent specific
geographic regions, without those people necessarily also
being board members. They could have an advisory role to
the Board.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

2007-08-09 Thread Dave Patton

Frank Warmerdam wrote:


Alternatively, the topic could be discussed
at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists.


All OSGeo wiki pages related to FOSS4G2007 can be found
by use of the FOSS4G2007 Category wiki page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Category:FOSS4G2007

The OSGeo AGM wiki page is:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/AGM_2007

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[OSGeo-Discuss] wiki Categories

2007-07-23 Thread Dave Patton

When creating pages on the OSGeo wiki, in some
cases it helps if you make sure to include the
page in a Category. If a page is in a Category,
it will be shown at the bottom of the wiki page.

For example, for the FOSS4G2007 conference, there
are a number of wiki pages, and they are all listed
on the Category:FOSS4G2007 page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Category:FOSS4G2007

If you are creating a wiki page that relates to the
FOSS4G2007 conference, just add this line to the page:
[[Category:FOSS4G2007]]

A page can be in more than one Category. For example,
the FOSS4G2007 OSGeo Booth page is in both the
FOSS4G2007 and Events categories, because it has these
two lines:
[[Category:FOSS4G2007]]
[[Category:Events]]


If you know of any wiki pages that relate to the
FOSS4G2007 conference, and aren't listed here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Category:FOSS4G2007
please edit the page to add [[Category:FOSS4G2007]]

Also, the same applies for pages related to the
2006 conference that aren't listed here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Category:FOSS4G2006
(they will need [[Category:FOSS4G2006]])

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Localization issues

2007-07-17 Thread Dave Patton

Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Hi all,
In GeoNetwork opensource we deal with localization in a pretty trivial 
manner.


With the expanding number of languages it becomes more problematic to 
keep all language files synchronized.



- I've been looking at gettext format


You might want to join the Translation-i18n mailing list:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translation-i18n
The gettext maintainer(Bruno Haible) as well as other
knowledgeable people are on that list, including the
people who have 'revived' and are now managing the
Translation Project:
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo education outreach at FOSS4G2007

2007-07-17 Thread Dave Patton

Has there been any discussion, by the OSGeo
Education Committee or elsewhere, about doing
any education outreach in conjunction with
the FOSS4G2007 conference in Victoria?

In particular, I had the idea that on Friday
September 28, 2007, there may be the possibility
for people who attended the conference to do some
outreach.

Looking at the minutes of the last Education Committee
meeting, I see mention of post-secondary education, but
I wonder if there exists the possibility of educational
opportunities for Victoria K-12 schools(OK, maybe K
is a bit young, but you get my point :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO OGC spec development

2007-07-17 Thread Dave Patton

Landon Blake wrote:

It appears that some of my concerns about problems with OGC membership
remain in place. I'm disappointed to learn that non-members are no
longer allowed to join in the discussion.

The individual membership option also presents challenges for some open
source developers



I imagine this could also present some problems for some of our OSGeo
members.

In the end, I think the OSGeo membership system is far superior to the
one at the OGC. It is based on participation and qualifications, not on
money.



Perhaps the OSGeo could approach the OGC about some form of alternative
membership system for open source projects.


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The one thing you can say about OGC membership, which requires money,
is that all the members are qualified, because they paid their money.

Of course having money, in and of itself, in no way qualifies anyone
to participate in 'standards development'.

By the same token, membership in OSGeo, in and of itself, in no way
qualifies anyone to participate in 'standards development'.

Whether or not OSGeo should become a member of OGC is a matter for
discussion by OSGeo members and members of the public, and ultimately
a decision by the OSGeo board.

Whatever the decision, that shouldn't lessen the advocacy for
'reasonable and practical standards' by people who may be both
OSGeo and OGC members.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Standards - The Ugly Truth

2007-06-22 Thread Dave Patton

Blammo wrote:

I'm not sure what to do about the monetary aspects of the Standards 
participation.


What is needed is the equivalent of an angel investor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_investors

By that what I mean is a corporate entity that will
step forward and setup a model where money that would
otherwise be spent on memberships in standards bodies, etc.,
is put into a business model whereby the money funds
things like infrastructure, grants to individuals or
companies to provide resources to work on reference
implementations of standards, legal fees to make sure
that nobody can monopolize the results of the process,
etc. Such corporate entities have to be forward thinking,
and can gain competitive advantages in terms of good will,
being involved with a wide spectrum of development and
intellectual talent, and maybe even attracting some
'anti-establishment types' to work for 'their team' ;-)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Canadian Government provides more free data access

2007-04-10 Thread Dave Patton

http://www.geogratis.ca/geogratis/en/whatsnew.html

April 2, 2007 - In response to demands from users for
no fee access to framework geographic data and the
increasing technological shift in the marketplace,
Natural Resources Canada (NRCan), is pleased to
announce that starting April 1st 2007, the Earth
Sciences Sector (ESS) will change the way its
Digital Topographic Data (DTD) can be accessed.

On April 1st, 2007, NRCan will start to make its
existing DTD products available through the
Geogratis Web portal (http://www.geogratis.ca).
By combining the functionality from the current
On line Purchasing and Subscribers Web sites,
the user will be provided with no fee access
to DTD products. Under the new distribution policy,
commercial licenses will no longer be required,
as all users will obtain rights for unlimited use
and royalty free distribution of the data through
a single unrestricted use license agreement.

NRCan is pleased to expand no fee access to its
collection of digital topographic data products.
After extensive consultations with other federal
agencies and stakeholders, followed by the development
of supporting technical systems, NRCan has begun the
transition to this new approach to data access.
We recognize the importance of providing geospatial
information to Canadians to enable users to customize
applications which benefit from integrated geographic
information. We are keeping pace with advances in all
areas of mapping to ensure that everyone can benefit
from no fee topographic data through the use of
cutting edge technology. Through our ongoing
partnerships with stakeholders, we will continue to
develop our topographic products to meet the needs
of Canadian groups and individuals in the private
sector, academia and government.


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Re: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

2007-04-01 Thread Dave Patton

Jason Birch wrote:

I'm sure that most of you have seen this, but these two free data
resources (provincial and federal Canadian governements) are both
employing a form of copyleft:



Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.


Given the interest, maybe the 'OSGeo people' who are already
involved could organize a BOF session, and also do some
presentations. If there are 'local' resources such as
Canadian municipal/provincial/federal managers(or perhaps
even better, people from their legal departments) who
could attend, then perhaps they could also participate
in the BOF/presentations. Also, maybe there are lawyers
who are local(e.g. Victoria or BC) any who have some
interest or expertise who could attend - even if their
perspective is based on Canadian law, it might still
help illuminate the discussions.

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