Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

2017-10-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Ravi Kumar
<manarajahmundry2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will be happy to see those who have let 'The Clouds In Motion'... and those
> 'Giving us a good harvest of GRASS'.. speak out too.

Ravi,

I am not sure, but in light of my signature perhaps 'the clouds in
motion' is a hint to me.

I don't see any need to rerun this election, nor am I particularly
concerned co-CRO who is nominated to run, etc.  Lets all give folks
the benefit of the doubt, and it isn't like the board has their
fingers on the button of nuclear weapons. :-)

Like Sanghee I am concerned that the board is less diverse than I
would have hoped by now.  I think it would be reasonable to adapt the
board selection criteria to ensure at least some diversity on axes we
want to see covered.  I could imagine a couple of special rules like:
 - If by normal voting no female would be elected, and if there is a
female running in the election the female with the most votes will
replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the
board.
 - If by normal voting no two board members are selected who are
outside "north america + europe" and if there are such candidates
running then replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have
made the board with the the candidates outside of NA+EUR with the most
votes.

Well some word smithing and algorithm clarification would be needed,
but you get the general idea, and a number of variations would be
helpful in moving us towards more diverse representation.

I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature
passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place
by the board.

But most of all, I wish to encourage us all to recognise that we are
an organization of volunteers and that we have similar goals.  While
we fine tune things, I hope we try to avoid taking offense and ascribe
the best intentions to others in our community.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?

2017-08-28 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Helmut,

The word "hostile" is a bit unfortunate.  One of the goals of charter
membership early in the organization was to provide a mechanism to
keep us aligned on roughly our original mission and community.  I
personally had a concern that we might get swamped by some other
community and almost accidentally taken over.  For instance one might
have imagined if all the folks interested in OSM joined OSGeo they
might have accidentally swamped "us" and we would potentially have
lost the goals of the organization.

Best regards,
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On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hel...@web.de> wrote:
> sorry, missed the subject
>
>
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. August 2017 um 20:12 Uhr
> Von: "Helmut Kudrnovsky"
> An: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, s...@sarasafavi.com
> Betreff: Kein Betreff
> Sara Safavi:
>>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the
>>following is included (emphasis mine):
>>
>>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually vote
>>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members
>>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."*
>>
>>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly
>>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use,
>>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I
>>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a
>>nomination.
>
> one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth and 
> integrity of foundation based
> upon the principles and bylaws.
>
>>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we
>>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a
>>re-wording?
>
> I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter 
> members as this related to them.
>
> Kind regards
> Helmut
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Userid registration - Full Name and Surname ?

2016-05-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Strk,

It was a direct transcription of the fields in LDAP.  No harm in
changing it I imagine.

Best regards,
Frank


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
> It looks like being a common issue:
> https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues/812
>
> How about just dropping one of the fields ?
>
> --strk;
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:01:13PM +0200, Sandro Santilli wrote:
>> I'm wondering why do we ask for "Full Name" and "Surname"
>> in the user registration form. I find it confusing, and a
>> quick look at the LDAP database shows it's not just me:
>> about half the registered users put the "given name" in the
>> "Full Name" field.
>>
>> Some users also have a registered "givenName" field, while
>> others do not.
>>
>> So, which way is the correct way ?
>>
>> I could improve the form by giving instructions, but I need
>> those instructions myself ...
>>
>> --strk;



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership consultations

2015-08-03 Thread Frank Warmerdam
.



 I apologise if you had sent this out for review earlier. I have not been
 following this debate closely as this type of membership noise pops
 up on a
 regular basis.

 However, when this proceeds to a vote of the OSGeo Charter membership, I
 need to register a comment.


 For consideration.

 Bruce









 From: Vasile Crăciunescu c...@osgeo.org
 Reply-To: Vasile Crăciunescu c...@osgeo.org
 Date: Thursday, 30 July 2015 23:52
 To: Bruce Bannerman 
 Subject: Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership
 consultations

 Dear Bruce,

 As an existing OSGeo Charter Member, you have been invited to
 participate
 in the 2015 OSGeo membership consultations.

 To participate, please click on the link below.

 Sincerely,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to create mailing list

2014-02-12 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Bu,

You can file a ticket requesting a new mailing list on the OSGeo Trac in
the SAC component.

  http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo

It is helpful to explain the purpose, and if it is being created on behalf
of a local chapter to note that.

I'm often the person who creates lists, so poke me if there is no action in
a day or two.

Best regards,
Frank


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 Hi All.

 I would like to create the mailing list for Chinese user. I have found the
 url: http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/create  .  However, when I
 try to create one, it always said Error: You are not authorized to create
 new mailing lists.

 I should apply for authentication password. What I should do then ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham archiving

2013-12-08 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Barry,

I have updated the DNS entry for 2013.foss4g.org to point to our WebExtra
VM, checked out the site there, and setup the apache config to serve it.
Once the DNS propogates you should be able to find the site there.

Not too surprisingly the search box doesn't work.  Is there much other
active content depending on special server side support?  Once the DNS
change propogates, i'd appreciate it if you could confirm you can get to
everything correctly hopefully including the map gallery.

Feel free to contact me outside the discuss list with regard to details.

Best regards,
Frank



On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Barry Rowlingson 
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com
 wrote:

  The size in general is not an issue. You're right that sticking that
  much in svn is usually a pain, but not if it's one time deal. This is a
  good question for the System Admin Committee to ponder though. I think
  most people would want a static clone of the site in some way to
  continue to exist, and we do have servers we can put that on.
 
  So under this plan you would put it in svn, and we would checkout the
  subfolder to a web server and serve up the static copy.
 

  That's great, because I think the ..s that SVN is
 printing out right now are nearly finished...

  I didn't realise there already was an SVN for the conference, or even
 that I had write access to it.

 Once SVN stops spitting dots at me you should see it here:

 http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2013/website/

 and apart from not displaying index.html files on directories I reckon
 it should be almost usable from that URL. Of course it will be happier
 when stuck on an apache box with its domain name

 thanks

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] vmap0.tiles.osgeo.org broken?

2013-11-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Ian,

Hmm, interesting.  I was under the vague belief that the vmap0 tiles are
being generated by a variety of servers and that one of those was the
webextra VM at OSU OSL which has been having problems.  When I login I see
I'm on sphere at telescience.  Can you give me the specific request you
issue to give that response.  It may be that it is misconfigured for the
requests you are making, but it is still handling normal tile requests ok.

+cc Martin Spott who I think knows a bunch about this service.

We could likely drop osgeo discuss off this thread.

Best regards,
Frank




On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone know who to ask about vmap0.tiles.osgeo.org/wms always
 returning

 loadOutputFormat(): General error message. OUTPUTFORMAT clause references
 driver GD/JPEG, but this driver isn't configured.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

2013-09-27 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote:


 FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a
 Trac instance?


I believe there is a webcom component in the OSGeo Trac instance.

eg.


http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=newstatus=assignedstatus=reopenedcomponent=WebSiteorder=priority


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sample Contract for Open Source Software Services

2013-09-27 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Landon,

As a consultant, I never actually proposed a contract.  When it was up
to me, I'd just write up a statement of work. Sometimes I had to sign
contracts created by the clients of course.

For the most part open source geospatial isn't different than any
other business.  The one item I was always careful about was making
clear what software products were remaining under an open source
license vs. becoming the property of the client.

Best regards,
Frank


On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Landon Blake
sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote:
 I hope to launch a start-up offering services based on some open source
 geospatial software in the next couple of months. I would like to know if
 anyone from the OSGeo community would be willing to share a sample contract
 for open source software services with me.

 I'd appreciate any help.

 Thanks.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

2013-09-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote:

 On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
  To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd
 like
  to start some closed discussions.
 
  If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure
  then please join us.  We'll report back progress on the open WebCom
 mailing
  list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly
 documented
  and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving
 forwards.
 
  Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion.
 
  Ian
 
 

 Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the
 new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by
 members of the System Administration committee. Everything except
 security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if
 someone has taken the time to write it up.


Alex,

Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund.

Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which
touch on SAC.

I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with whether
there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting
committee issue.

It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some updates
to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a newer
drupal.

That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of closed discussions and use of
some thing called basecamp.  Ian - why are closed discussions valuable
other than the need to be protective of a few passwords?

Best regards,
Frank



 I think to start you might want to relook at what's the role of Webcom
 is in relation to Marketing(Outreach) and Sys Admin committees. It got
 blurry a while back, and the major thing we hoped Webcom would handle -
 migration of main OSGeo site to a new look and feel on a newer server
 (so we can retire the old server) stalled after a few iterations of
 design mockups.

 Thanks,
 Alex

 System Administration Committee Chair
 Marketing/Outreach Committee Member

 PS: I'm not looking to join another committee so I'd rather take
 questions publicly and see proposals that involve system changes get
 sent from Webcom to SAC when necessary. Sorting out what committee does
 what seems like an inter-committee thing so probably should happen on
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future

2013-09-25 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks,

I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for
OSGeo4W.  I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint
the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion
there.

 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev

I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages
between different packaging efforts.

Best regards,
Frank


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote:
 The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin
 privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a
 smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql
 etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too
 many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a
 windows 8 VM to test on at last.

 I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've
 spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work
 to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files
 I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial
 repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be
 honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things
 outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't
 guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues
 in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet
 project- so I'm not letting anyone else down!

 Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion!

 I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching
 project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and
 maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always
 better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any
 objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for
 each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee
 that and go through incubation.

 Jo


 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com
 wrote:

 On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  Hi Daniel,
 
  I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks
  incubation process.
 
  Best,
  Angelos
 
  My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS
  users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great
  documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without
  needing to be admin or having to install different programs.

 I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of
 PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html)

 There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a
 windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively
 modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to
 run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is
 required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually
 about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w
 folder).

 This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable
 products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as
 figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the
 virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization
 software.

 I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't
 be shared.

 Thanks,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future

2013-09-25 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Tamas,

I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows
though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying
to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with
FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W).

Once we have a PSC, we need to discuss direction and then nail a plan down
and agree to it.

Best regards,
Frank


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Frank,

 The RFC http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc looks pretty good,
 thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on
 writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary
 objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all
 have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both
 positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right
 direction to follow.

 I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms
 may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions,
 there might be some common aspects, though.

 Best regards,

 Tamas



 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com

 Folks,

 I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for
 OSGeo4W.  I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint
 the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion
 there.

  http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev

 I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages
 between different packaging efforts.

 Best regards,
 Frank


 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com
 wrote:
  The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin
  privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a
  smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no
 mysql
  etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too
  many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a
  windows 8 VM to test on at last.
 
  I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've
  spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some
 work
  to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which
 files
  I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial
  repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be
  honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on
 things
  outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't
  guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to
 issues
  in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little
 pet
  project- so I'm not letting anyone else down!
 
  Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion!
 
  I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching
  project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and
  maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's
 always
  better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any
  objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows
 for
  each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to
 oversee
  that and go through incubation.
 
  Jo
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel 
 tech_...@wildintellect.com
  wrote:
 
  On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
   On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos 
 gcpp.kal...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
   Hi Daniel,
  
   I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few
 weeks
   incubation process.
  
   Best,
   Angelos
  
   My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS
   users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the
 great
   documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without
   needing to be admin or having to install different programs.
 
  I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of
  PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html)
 
  There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a
  windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by
 extensively
  modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to
  run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is
  required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually
  about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w
  folder).
 
  This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable
  products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as
  figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the
  virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization
  software.
 
  I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't
  be shared.
 
  Thanks,
  Alex

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Paolo,

As you know I am in support of establishing a PSC for the OSGeo4W project,
and would be pleased to participate.  I would encourage you to email
osgeo4w-dev and lets get this under way.

(unable to sleep at 3am in Notthingham)

Best regards,
Frank


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 OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the
 main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS.
 I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active
 developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their
 update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely
 thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we
 should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee
 for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
 users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
 would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
 contribute actively to something they need.
 My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the
 situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] End the vote!

2013-07-15 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Cameron Shorter
cameron.shor...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hi Adrian and Jeff,
 Your points are very similar to those raised in April - June 2012 [1]
 when discussing the concept of OSGeo Advocate (previously referred to as
 OSGeo Ambassador).

 [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2012-May/thread.html

 There is a tension between people wishing an exclusive label or badge
 which easily identifies a level of expertise and community recognition,
 verses a desire to be inclusive of everyone who applies.


Adrian / Cameron,

I just wanted to stress that there is also a responsible governance role
for charter members.  They exist in order to be a representative body
representing our community.  They are responsible for selecting the
board and more broadly to ensure that the organization isn't intentionally
or accidentally subverted by some other interest group.

Somewhat hypothetically imagine if all the students (of all types) at
a university got nominated.  Or if we had some money in the bank, and
advocates of some charity had the clever idea of nominating 1000
members so they could redirect our funds into their mission.

So some degree of limitations on charter membership election aren't
just about maintaining some exclusivity for status purposes.  They are
to avoid the organization being derailed from it's mission to easily.

I am personally in favor of allowing a fairly large number of charter
members, but also of de-emphasizing the distinction between
charter members and all the rest of our membership and community.
Charter member is a *mechanism* to keep the organization
reasonably representative but not otherwise (imho) supposed to
be important.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo upcoming events

2013-06-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Margherita / Anne,

Hmm, this is odd.

After digging around a little I found that FOSS4G had the wrong month and
was now in the past.  It is now fixed and shows up properly.

I see FOSS4G CEE is going on this week.  I guess the events page doesn't
show events that are already in progress which is a bit sad.  The event in
Ghent has recently passed.

It may well be that there are no other events in our events queue.   Let
Anne or I know if there are more events that ought to be listed (via
news_i...@osgeo.org).

Best regards,
Frank


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Anne Ghisla a.ghi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:38:10 +0200
 Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi!
 
  If I google OSGeo events, the first page I end up on is a blank
  page [1]. The wiki page of the Conference committee [2] is updated at
  2012. I have found a conference archive [3] updated at 2006. My
  question is, is there a wiki page in which are listed all or most of
  the upcoming OSGeo related events?

 Hi Madi!

 the first link used to work, and is the most complete list of OSGeo
 related events. Also on http://www.osgeo.org/ there is a blank space
 where the upcoming events should be.
 Frank, or any sysadmin, can you check what happened to events page?

  Thanks
 
  [1] http://www.osgeo.org/events
  [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee
  [3] http://www.osgeo.org/conference/archives

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC liaison memberships

2013-05-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Adrian,

According to http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_membership we have open slots.
 It seems that Arnulf and Michael can authorize it.  There are some fairly
restrictive conditions on OGC individual memberships which is what this is.
 You should confirm you are going to fit.

  http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/join/level/individual

It isn't clear that these memberships imply you exactly speak for OSGeo
though you can certainly give your affiliation as OSGeo.

It would be wonderful to use this mechanism to give you standing at OGC as
I know you will make good use of it.

Best regards,
Frank


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,

 As I remember it, OSGeo has been granted a number of liaison memberships
 (six?) from the OGC. Are they all being used? If not, what would be the
 process to obtain one?


 In past years, I have been reluctant to officially represent OSGeo and so
 have paid for a membership on my own. Nonetheless, I have been pushing the
 OGC on openness, the consideration of free software, and issues arising
 from the 'OSGeo point of view' ever since I started participating at the
 OGC. I have also been acting unofficially as a bridge between the two
 organizations (with the good and bad that comes from that such as, in the
 last few days, being unable to announce the end of the 'GeoServices REST'
 debacle). Now I am considering making this work and my association between
 the two organizations more formal.

 Therefore, if you all are willing, and if a membership were available, I
 would like to take this on as a formal role and represent all of you at the
 OGC. It would mean I would show up to meetings and sign my authorship of
 whatever documents with the affiliation 'OSGeo'. In the future, I also
 would plan to lobby the OGC to grant OSGeo a formal vote in the proceedings
 of the technical committee. That will be hard to obtain since we will not
 be pitching in the mega-cash that the OGC needs to sustain their way of
 operating; however, it might be possible someday, especially if we start
 contributing effectively to their work.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list

2013-05-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Gabriel Morin moringabr...@yahoo.frwrote:

 Hello sir

 I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to
 work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a
 bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned
 for documentation and help.

 But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is
 MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are
 also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis.


Gabriel,

The Projects and Incubating Projects list on the OSGeo web site is intended
to list direct projects of OSGeo, not all open source or even open source
geospatial projects.

I'm not familiar with MDWeb, but OpenJump can be found at:

   http://www.openjump.org/

Drupal is not geospatial, and I assume you can find the project page if you
need to.  gvSIG is listed on the OSGeo page, but in the Incubating
Projects list.  GeoToolkit is a fork of the OSGeo GeoTools project.  I
think it is now an Apache project.  WorldWind is I believe directly
administered by NASA (not too sure), and I'm not certain about Osmosis
which I assume is OSM related.

There are many projects which I consider friends of OSGeo in the sense
that they are often used in conjunction with OSGeo projects or by folks who
are involved in OSGeo but that are not actually projects of OSGeo.  I often
recommend these, and they are discussed at conferences like FOSS4G.


 Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo.
 Why is that ?


I hope my response helps clarify why that is.

Best regards,
Frank



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free Developer Slots at FOSS4G events: [was RE: FW: [Board] OSGeo Board Priorities]

2013-03-04 Thread Frank Warmerdam
.
* OSGeo should focus support on OSGeo communities and initiatives
 which support
  themselves.
 
  Hi all.
  Thanks for this. I welcome this change, that I think will make OSGeo
 much more
  effective in promoting free and open source geospatial software.
  On the other hand, I still have problems with annual FOSS4G, which has a
 cost that
  scares away many top developers. IMHO (sorry to insist, I raised this
 point earlier)
  the meeting should be free for developers (committers to OSGeo
 projects), and more
  expensive for businessman. The net cash flow should be from business to
 GFOSS
  promotion, not drawing from our precious developers.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Presentations on OSGeo?

2013-02-15 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Folks,

Is anyone proposing to do a presentation about OSGeo?  I'd like to
do one talking fairly broadly about the organization and then focusing
in on recent organizational developments.  But I don't really want to do
it on my own.  Ideally I'd like one or two other folks heavily involved
in OSGeo to co-present.  Anyone already submitting to this effect?  Care
to partner?

PS. Of course I'm only thinking about this now because I thought I was down
to my last 30 minutes before the deadline, but I see they have extended it
by roughly a week, so there is a bit of time to work out a plan.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Service providers

2013-01-08 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote:
 Hi,

 On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 05:04:08PM -0800, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

 Hmm, I'm also seeing this problem.  I noticed some email about Martin
 working on a migration of www.osgeo.org on the weekend.  I suspect the
 service provider directory was lost in translation.  I'll investigate.

 Can anyone tell me how this search was set up, configured ? Is it using
 any custom tools outside the regular Drupal toolbox ?

Martin,

I don't know all the details.  It was a bunch of custom PHP within
Drupal and use of custom table(s) in mysql - I think in the same
database instance used for the rest of the site.

Was Drupal on osgeo1 changed recently?  I had understood
your work was all being done on www2.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Service providers

2013-01-07 Thread Frank Warmerdam
André,

Hmm, I'm also seeing this problem.  I noticed some email about Martin
working on a migration of www.osgeo.org on the weekend.  I suspect the
service provider directory was lost in translation.  I'll investigate.

Best regards,
Frank

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Andre Mano andre.s.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I've been unable to access the list of service providers from osgeo page. I
 tried the following: http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile with different
 computers, in different places, and the page is just blank!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO wiki discussion list

2012-10-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Joel,

A practice that Arnulf started and that was IMHO very worthwhile was
summarizing board activities to the discuss list.  I haven't followed up on
that but agree that it would be very worthwhile.  I shall endevour to do
that.

Best regards,
Frank

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Schlagel, Joel D IWR 
joel.d.schla...@usace.army.mil wrote:

 I don't know if I am typical of other members of osge-discuss, but I read
 messages on the distribution list regularly, yet seldom visit the osgeo
 wiki.  It might be worthwhile to send a message to osgeo-discuss when
 important items, like board meeting minutes are added to the wiki.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [California] Open Geospatial Data Award

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Landon,

The criteria seems good, if a bit more detailed than is strictly necessary.
 I'd suggest not worrying about a point scoring system, and just leave it
up to the judges to subjectively score nominees after some discussion.

It would be nice if the award included a green OSGeo logo.

Presumable we should clarify who the judges are, and open up nominations.

I think it would be good to let the open geodata committee know about this
effort but it is a chapter activity so here is the right place for detailed
discussion.  I did mention it to David Bitner (geodata chair) who happened
to be in town last weekend for the Google Summer of Code meetings.

Best regards,
Frank

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Landon Blake
sunburned.surve...@gmail.comwrote:

 At the last annual meeting of the OSGeo California Chapter, chapter
 members decided to move forward with the creation of the Open
 Geospatial Data Award. This award will be given to one (1)
 organization each year in California. The award will recognize the
 organization's efforts to promote open access to geospatial data. I
 thought this concept might appeal to other local chapters, so I wanted
 to post our chapter's discussion about the award selection criteria
 here.

 I'm proposing the nominees for the award be scored on the folowing
 criteria:

 1) The data is released without:
 - Restrictions on its use.
 - Requirements for indemnification (duty to defend).
 - Restrictions on distribution.
 - Restrictions on modification.
 - Requirement for monetary compensation.

 2) The data is easily accessible.

 3) Data is high quality:
 - The data is regularly updated.
 - The data is complete.
 - The data is well documented (metadata).
 - The data is reasonably accurate and precise.

 Not every organization nominated will necessarily do perfectly in each
 of these categories. I imagine we will need to come up with some point
 scoring system for our chapter's award selection committee to use.

 I designed the preliminary award in Inkscape and I can make the SVG
 available. I didn't
 incorporate the OSGeo color scheme or logo, but could redesign the
 award if this wasn't objectionable. We could come up with a standard
 certificate that could be used by all of the local OSGeo chapters. I
 imagine we'll want to have the award framed before we deliver it to
 the selected organization.

 I think this is a great opportunity to recognize good behavior on the
 part of government agencies and other organizations that are promoting
 open access to quality geospatial data. I also think it is a great
 marketing opportunity for OSGeo and the local chapters.

 I'm toying with the idea of presonally donating some volunteer hours
 to the selected agency, to assist with mapping efforts of technical
 supporttraining for open source geospatial software.

 What do you guys think?

 Landon (AKA: The Sunburned Surveyor)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Got a simple question, but can't seem to find the stuff I'm looking for.

2012-09-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Bob,

I assume you mean when they graduated from incubation?  Or perhaps you mean
when they entered?  I am not aware of a unified list.  But you could review
news announcements, and incubation and board minutes to harvest the info
painfully.

Best regards,
Frank

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

   All,

 ** **

 Anyone know where I might find a chart/list that shows when a particular
 project was ratified by OSGeo, and added to the product list?

 ** **

 I’m only looking for “year of” at this point.  Would meeting minutes be
 the obvious place to start? 

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 Thanks

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .

2012-09-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Bob,

Funky, it works for me.  It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and
information on it being retired.

This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in
chrome and firefox).

Best regards,
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

   Where is the “Home Page” link on this page supposed to go?  I keep
 getting a login page . . .is this correct?

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 http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .

2012-09-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Thomas / Bob,

Ah I misunderstood and didn't actually go further through.  I would appear
the community mapbuilder page is gone.  Perhaps it would be best to point
things at:

  http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAP/Home

i see it is an osgeo domain so I should be able to handle the redirect.

I'll create a ticket and CC Cameron or some other MapBuilder folks to
ensure the new target is appropriate.

  http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1015

Best regards,
Frank

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, thomas bonfort
thomas.bonf...@gmail.comwrote:

 I can confirm that something going wrong too. Frank, did you click on the
 homepage link, i.e. http://communitymapbuilder.osgeo.org/ ?


 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

  Must be on my end then, looking . . .

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 Bobb

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 Bob,


 Funky, it works for me.  It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and
 information on it being retired.  

 ** **

 This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in
 chrome and firefox). 

 ** **

 Best regards,

 Frank

   

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 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

 

 Where is the “Home Page” link on this page supposed to go?  I keep
 getting a login page . . .is this correct?

  

 http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder

  

  


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)

2012-09-18 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Andrea Aime
andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it wrote:
 However... maybe someone should push the OSGeo community to send private
 nominations more?

Andrea,

I don't have a strong position on public vs. private, but I will
note we are receiving lots of private nominations, as is
the case each year.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESRI getting more serious about open source?

2012-08-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ned Horning n...@lightlink.com wrote:
 Hi - A colleague on the Society for Sonservation GIS list shared a link to
 this blog Esri and Open Source Software: More Please at
 http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2012/08/27/esri-and-open-source-software-more-please/

 I'm not sure what to think about it but on the surface it seems like a good
 thing. Is OSGeo involved with this initiative in any way? If not is there
 any interest in having OSGeo play an active role in the opening of ESRI
 code? I'm curious what other folks think of this.

Ned,

My initial assumption is that the code released as
open source would primarily be built on top of ArcGIS
and that this is little more than a samples directory.
However, rereading the announcement there is hope
for more particularly given the involvement of the folks
formally of GeoIQ.

I am not aware of any interest on ESRI's side to be involved
with OSGeo on this.  I'm inclined to just let things develop,
but if anyone with contacts with the folks at the DC dev
center would like to chat with them, perhaps we will see more
concrete opportunities.

Something to keep an eye on at least.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination: Brian Hamlin

2012-07-03 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks,

I would like to nominate Brian Hamlin (ie. darkblue in IRC) for OSGeo
Charter Membership.  Brian has been an active supporter of OSGeo for
several years.  His activities include substantial contributions to the
OSGeo Live DVD, and appearing on behalf of OSGeo (ie. manning
a booth) at a variety of events in the California area including Where
some years.

I'm personally keen on him being a charter member because he
has progressive ideas on how to move the organization forward
and quite a bit of energy to pursue them.  I'd like to give him more
leverage and confidence to pursue these ideas.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement tools at OSGEO?

2012-06-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Bob,

News announcements should be sent to news_i...@osgeo.org as described at:

  http://www.osgeo.org/content/news/submit_news.html

That goes to me, and I'll try and post it to the web site and announce list.
For software releases I normally only put through major releases as opposed
to point releases.  Sometimes I lose track of the items, so feel free to prompt
me after about 24 hours if you haven't got a confirmation from me that it is
posted.

Best regards,
Frank

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
 All,



 GeoMoose 2.6 is on the verge of being released.  I recall having the
 announcement of (major) releases being added to the OSGEO news feed in the
 past and that I had to ask someone about this. Are there any other similar
 tools/processes from the OSGEO side?



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] PROJCS vs LOCAL_CS

2012-06-16 Thread Frank Warmerdam

On 12-06-16 09:13 AM, Alexander Drozdov wrote:

Hi  all!

I have png map file, .pwg World file and .prj file with projection in
WKT format.
I try to create GeoTIFF with next command:
   gdal_translate -of GTiff -a_srs O-50-103-D.prj O-50-103-D.png
O-50-103-D.tif

but, gdalinfo printf LOCAL_CS coordinate system instead PROJCS, so
different applications like QLandkarteGT can't open result GeoTiff.

Why coordinate system is LOCAL_CS, but not PROJCS?

My example files in archive:
http://htrd.su/~hatred/maps/O-50-103-D.tar.gz

testepsg tool say that prj file is correct.


Alexander,

The .prj file looks ok.  When I run your command with gdal trunk
I get a TIFF file with the following gdalinfo report:

Coordinate System is:
PROJCS[unnamed,
GEOGCS[Krassovsky, 1942,
DATUM[unknown,
SPHEROID[krass,6378245,298.3],
TOWGS84[23.9,-141.3,-80.9,0,-0.37,-0.85,-0.12]],
PRIMEM[Greenwich,0],
UNIT[degree,0.0174532925199433]],
PROJECTION[Transverse_Mercator],
PARAMETER[latitude_of_origin,0],
PARAMETER[central_meridian,117],
PARAMETER[scale_factor,1],
PARAMETER[false_easting,2050],
PARAMETER[false_northing,0],
UNIT[metre,1,
AUTHORITY[EPSG,9001]]]
GeoTransform =
  20513343.29170791, 4.59598418645, -9.994925266010001e-13
  6338767.084816154, 1.43747239781e-12, -4.58751230964

I'm not clear on why you are running into problems.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Web site downtime

2012-02-01 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks,

The OSGeo ProjectsVM is down while we upgrade the OS (an upgrade
that has encountered some issues).  While this is being resolved the
hosted sites including gdal.org, mapserver.org, grass.org will be down.

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/ProjectsVM

Downtime could potentially be in the hours or even a day or two.  I won't
announce when things are back but you can always try.  Note that Trac
for bug reporting, and subversion are not down.

Sorry for the inconvenience.  And damn Debian major OS version
in-place upgrades. :-)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] The city of Kristiansand seeks Location-based Open Data solutions for information and services

2011-12-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks,

I received this message which I thought might be of broader interest.
If someone is interested in leaving an effort perhaps you could reply
here to coordinate with anyone else who is interested.


Dear Sir/Madam,

I have found your company/organisation while looking for the most
innovative solutions to participate in the Living Labs Global Award
2012, which we are organising in cooperation with 20 international
cities in May 2012. Your products or services may present an
interesting solution to one of the categories of the awards and I
would like to invite you to submit a showcase before 17th February.

Kristiansand (Norway), one of the partner cities of the 2012 edition,
is seeking solutions to enhance the use of Geo-spatial and
Location-based Open Data for information and city services, and to
exploit new technologies to publish GIS data to city employees and the
public through different channels, combining data sources to improve
analysis, planning and participation in the city's services.

Companies/Organisations participating in the Living Labs Global Awards
present their solutions directly to a leading group of world cities
and win an opportunity to enter a new market through a pilot with full
support from the city. In addition, participants receive a
professional and documented evaluation of their product or service by
the cities and prestigious international visibility and recognition.
In 2012, twenty global cities are participating in the award with the
aim of helping over 100 million citizens in the Americas, Africa, Asia
and Europe.

How to submit:

Entries can be submitted in about 10 minutes, for free through our
website until 17th February 2012. International juries will evaluate
the entries and provide a shortlist of the top 100 showcases on 5th
March. Winners will be announced at the award ceremony on 2nd May 2012
at the Rio Summit on Service Innovation in Cities.

We look forward to seeing your submission.

Please don’t hesitate to contact me with any further questions,

Miguel Carvalho

About the Living Labs Global Award 2012:

Living Labs Global, a non-profit association promoting innovative
solutions in cities around the world, is organising the 2012 edition
of the Living Labs Global Award in cooperation with the Cities of
Barcelona, Birmingham, Caceres, Cape Town, Coventry,
Derry~Londonderry, Eindhoven, Fukuoka, Glasgow, Guadalajara, Hamburg,
Lagos, Lavasa, Kristiansand, Mexico City, Rio de Janeiro, San
Francisco, Sant Cugat, Santiago de Chile and Terrassa, to choose the
companies and organizations that have developed solutions that add
high value to users in cities around the world.

Living Labs Global

T: +34 93 1855110
www.livinglabs-global.com
Awards 2012: www.llga.org
Twitter: @LivingLabsGeo
Facebook: www.facebook.com/LLGA2012



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Re: Participation in OSGeo (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member nomination: Martin Landa)

2011-11-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Razy Kased kas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Where can I learn more about each of the committees or other ways to
 participate?

Razy,

There is a list of committees in the second box on the wiki:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page

* Board of Directors
* Conference Committee
* Education and Curriculum Committee
* Finance Committee
* Incubation Committee
* Marketing Committee
* Project Steering Committees
* Public Geospatial Data Committee
* System Administration Committee (SAC)
* Website Committee - Current WebCom tasks

Of these I know that the Education, Marketing, Public Geodata,
SAC and Website committees are all looking for volunteers and
in some cases no specific experience is needed.

Of course, the various projects also need help in various ways,
so if you are interested in, or using some of the software then
look into getting involved there.  Join the mailing lists, file bugs,
fix bugs, write docs, write code, answer questions on the list, etc.

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Re: Participation in OSGeo (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member nomination: Martin Landa)

2011-11-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Razy,

I also meant to emphasize that the local chapters are also always
looking for keen volunteers to give presentations, organize events
and lead/support local initiatives of various sorts.

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Local_Chapters

Best regards,

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Razy Kased kas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Where can I learn more about each of the committees or other ways to
 participate?

 Razy,

 There is a list of committees in the second box on the wiki:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page

    * Board of Directors
    * Conference Committee
    * Education and Curriculum Committee
    * Finance Committee
    * Incubation Committee
    * Marketing Committee
    * Project Steering Committees
    * Public Geospatial Data Committee
    * System Administration Committee (SAC)
    * Website Committee - Current WebCom tasks

 Of these I know that the Education, Marketing, Public Geodata,
 SAC and Website committees are all looking for volunteers and
 in some cases no specific experience is needed.

 Of course, the various projects also need help in various ways,
 so if you are interested in, or using some of the software then
 look into getting involved there.  Join the mailing lists, file bugs,
 fix bugs, write docs, write code, answer questions on the list, etc.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapnik (GPX) vs MapServer/GeoServer (OGC)

2011-11-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote:
 hi all
 just wanna a little discussion around OSM's server, called mapnik.
 1. why dont we bring mapnik to OSGeo.

Frans,

It is really up to projects to come to OSGeo if they are
interested in formally being OSGeo projects.  Certainly
I would love to see Mapnik as an OSGeo project.

In any event, Mapnik developers (/me shouts out to Dane
Springmeyer) have been very actively involved in FOSS4G
events like the performance benchmarking efforts and code
sprints, and already operate on the principles of FOSS4G.

I am pleased to have the level of cooperation and camaraderie
we already have with Mapnik whether it is formally an OSGeo
project or not.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] USA: Speak Up For Geography

2011-10-31 Thread Frank Warmerdam


Folks,

With regard to the following Speaking up for Geography Holly Glaser
suggests:


I love the idea of contacting representatives about the importance of geography 
education. I’m writing to you so all the representatives receive their mail 
before or on GIS Day.


There’s one flaw in your method of contacting elected representative: letters 
sent now will be delivered  at the end of December -too late for GIS Day.


All paper letters/small packages sent to congress are held by the post office 
where they get inspected for explosives/anthrax and so on.  I was told that 
this delays mail between 3-6 weeks.



Best regards,


On 11-10-29 01:39 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

Folks,

Those of us in America with an interest in promoting geography education in
schools might like to take action on the Teaching Geography is Fundamental
Act in the US congress. I received the following message at i...@osgeo.org:


Join the public campaign Speak Up For Geography: The 10,000 Letter
Challenge. As a leader in the geospatial industry, your support of
geography education in K-12 schools is needed now more than ever.

The goal of the 10,000 Letter Challenge is simple: to send 10,000 letters
to Congress in support of the bipartisan Teaching Geography is Fundamental
(TGIF) Act by November 18, 2011. This date marks the ending of Geography
Awareness Week 2011 and the last day of the Congressional session before
the Thanksgiving recess. It's easy to send letters to your Members of
Congress at http://speakupforgeography.org.
Show your support for geography education: Let Congress know that the
Teaching Geography is Fundamental Act is important to you. Ask others to
join the Challenge by blogging, podcasting, and tweeting about
SpeakUpForGeography.org. Post the widget on your website. Spread the
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[OSGeo-Discuss] USA: Speak Up For Geography

2011-10-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Folks,

Those of us in America with an interest in promoting geography education in
schools might like to take action on the Teaching Geography is Fundamental
Act in the US congress.  I received the following message at i...@osgeo.org:


Join the public campaign Speak Up For Geography: The 10,000 Letter
Challenge. As a leader in the geospatial industry, your support of
geography education in K-12 schools is needed now more than ever.

The goal of the 10,000 Letter Challenge is simple: to send 10,000 letters
to Congress in support of the bipartisan Teaching Geography is Fundamental
(TGIF) Act by November 18, 2011. This date marks the ending of Geography
Awareness Week 2011 and the last day of the Congressional session before
the Thanksgiving recess. It's easy to send letters to your Members of
Congress at http://speakupforgeography.org.
Show your support for geography education: Let Congress know that the
Teaching Geography is Fundamental Act is important to you. Ask others to
join the Challenge by blogging, podcasting, and tweeting about
SpeakUpForGeography.org. Post the widget on your website. Spread the
message that the time to act is now!


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 5.0 released - the Open Source Geospatial DVD

2011-09-07 Thread Frank Warmerdam
 Hansen, Steve Lime, Thierry Badard, Thomas Baschetti, Trevor
Wekel, Valenty Gonzalez, and Yoichi Kayama.


Sponsoring organisations:

* LISAsoft provides sustaining resources and staff toward the management
  and packaging of software onto the Live DVD. http://www.lisasoft.com
  http://www.lisasoft.com/
* Information Center for the Environment at the University of California,
  Davis provides hardware resources and development support to the OSGeo
  Live project. http://ice.ucdavis.edu http://ice.ucdavis.edu/
* The DebianGIS and UbuntuGIS teams provide and quality-assure many of the
  core packages. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis and
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 56, Issue 27

2011-08-10 Thread Frank Warmerdam

On 11-08-10 05:55 PM, Tom Fitzwater wrote:

Unsubscribe



tom,

I have unsubscribed you from the OSGeo discuss list.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] format for raster data distribution, JP2?

2011-07-15 Thread Frank Warmerdam
John,

I agree with Michael.  JPEG2000 as a distribution format is
going to be problematic for many users.   TIFF+JPEG is
pretty universal.  I would add that YCbCr mode jpeg imagery
in TIFF can be quite a bit better quality for size than RGB
imagery.  In some cases special writing options are needed to
produce this and their can be some compatibility issues.

I would love to reach a day when JPEG2000-in-TIFF was
a good option and was supported effectively (if a wee bit
slowly) by open SDK like OpenJPEG.  I may well take this
on as a personal task at some point though it would still
take a long time to be widely supported.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geomajas Geometry Project

2011-07-13 Thread Frank Warmerdam
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Pieter De Graef pied...@gmail.com wrote:
 On one hand there is the Simple Feature Specification which is clearly an
 Object Oriented model with the advantage that it is well known but is also
 more difficult to implement the JavaScript wrapper around.
 On the other hand we could follow a service based model (more like SFS for
 SQL) which is easier to get up and running, easier to create a JavaScript
 wrapper for and easier to translate into web services.
 As it's difficult for us to chose and as it's a pretty crucial decision for
 the future of the Geomajas project, I as wondering how you guys feel about
 this.

Pieter,

I'm afraid I don't quite grasp what you mean by a service based
model.  SFS for SQL is presumably Simple Features for SQL, is
that right?  If so, how is that a different data model than simple
features?

Without my understanding the distinction you are trying to make it
is hard to give helpful advice.  But I will say that I feel strongly that
in this day and age any geometry model you use in the geospatial
field should have a clean mapping onto OGC Simple Features.  You
might need to extend it or even put off implementing some types
but it would be unwise to take a significantly different approach.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] mailing lists

2011-05-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam

On 11-05-26 04:31 PM, Tim Schaub wrote:

OpenLayers is in a bit of a mess with regard to mailing lists. We have several
@openlayers.org addresses that non-members should be able to write to. These
addresses could be consolidated (to one address in my opinion), but they
include things like places to send in CLA, ask for trac/subversion access,
inquire about sponsorship, etc.

Our PSC list in particular has become completely unusable. For historical
reasons, only Chris Schmidt and Erik Uzureau had admin access to our PSC list.
The list has been moved to OSGeo infrastructure, but there is still an
@openlayers.org alias set up. This list currently has around 12,000 messages
awaiting moderation (according to Chris) and the list admin page returns a 500
when logging in.

I'd like to move to a mailing list solution with better spam control. The PSC
has expressed approval for using hosted elsewhere like Google Groups. I'm sure
others have opinions about alternatives, so I thought I'd ask here first. It's
important in our case to have an archived list that non-members can post to
with good spam control. I've had moderate success using Google Groups for this
purpose.


Tim,

I have normally configured mailman lists to immediately reject any email
messages from someone who is not subscribed and I have found this filtered
out 99.9% of spam.  If you need admin assistance clearing the moderation
queue for a list let me know.

I will confess this approach isn't very suitable for mailing addresses that
are intended to be publically mailable without subscribing.  If you need
such a thing for special purposes you might want to handle it elsewhere.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Does osgeo provide infrastructure for non-incubating projects?

2011-04-05 Thread Frank Warmerdam

On 11-04-05 04:59 AM, Fernando González wrote:

The first step is to
create a work group to learn GGL2 technologies so we need a mailing
list and a public SCM (we work with a private one currently).

Is it possible to get such infrastructure from osgeo? Some people in
GearScape mailing list suggested to ask here for a trac instance and
even to apply for incubation. I like the incubation idea but I guess
we're not so big yet. Would it be possible at least to start by being
hosted? I think GGL2 is somewhat innovative and it could be
interesting for osgeo to include such a project if it ever succeeds.


Fernando,

Yes, OSGeo does sometimes provide mailing list, Trac and SVN services for
non-OSGeo (ie. non-incubating) projects.  For mailing lists the barrier is
quite low.  For Trac/SVN you need someone on the system administration
committee who is willing and able to do the work.  That proponent then
makes a motion on the SAC mailing list, and once passed provides notice
to the board in case there are concerns.  Generally speaking the hard
part of the process is finding someone willing and able to do the work.
The rest just slightly delays things.

We (on SAC) are generally more supportive of projects that we think have
a prospect of going through incubation at some point or that are closely
related to existing OSGeo projects.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GDAL/OGR 1.7.3 Released

2010-11-10 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Folks,

The GDAL/OGR team is pleased to announce that GDAL/OGR 1.7.3 has been
released.  This is a bug fix release on the GDAL/OGR 1.7 stable
branch, and it contains over 50 bug fixes.  It does not include the
substantial new features planned for GDAL/OGR 1.8.0 in the coming
weeks.  Details are available at:

  http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/Release/1.7.3-News

The source code, and regression test suite are available at:

 http://download.osgeo.org/gdal/gdal173.zip
 http://download.osgeo.org/gdal/gdal-1.7.3.tar.gz
 http://download.osgeo.org/gdal/gdalautotest-1.7.3.tar.gz

The OSGeo4W gdal17 package has also been updated to match this 1.7.3
release for those working on windows.

  http://osgeo4w.osgeo.org/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can charter members be nominated any time?

2010-10-21 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:
Can charter members be nominated any time? Or do they need to be 
nominated at a special time of year?


Landon,

Charter members can only be nominated during the charter member election
process which occurs once a year.  That is right now of course.  The
process is detailed at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Membership_Process

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can charter members be nominated any time?

2010-10-21 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Alexandre Leroux wrote:


Maybe it's also time to update the 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Charter_Members page? ;-)


Alex,

The page clearly indicates at the top that it is a historical document
and references the official list of charter members at:

 http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can charter members be nominated any time?

2010-10-21 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Alexandre Leroux wrote:
  *but*, what is clearly confusing (at least to me ;-) is the OSGeo FAQ
page mentioning Beyond selecting the initial voting membership of 45 
members, details of the membership process have not been determined., 
while this isn't true anymore: it has been determined. Right?

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_FAQ

A simple update of the FAQ would remove this confusion.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Commercial support (Company profile improvement options)

2010-09-03 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Bob Basques wrote:

  All,

I know this has to be created and managed somehow, but here are some 
ideas on this:


* Could there be some way of collecting business information related
  to not only OpenSource software but also a means for companies to
  describe themselves in their own words, even as it pertains to
  non-open products, as these are often a concern when bidding on
  projects.
* A simple one pager type of thing, listing software (open and
  proprietary, possibly with the Open source stuff highlighted and
  linked) and a general company resume, maybe even including a link
  section for past projects.
* Inclusion of the prospective company logo on the profile page.
* A list of company partners.
* It would be real nice as a company owner for example, to be able
  to link directly to a OSGEO support registry page.   I think a
  system like this would keep things updated regularly.  I keep
  forgetting the entry is even in there for my interests because I
  don't touch it enough.



Bob,

I really think those who register as service providers should just
make an effort to provide the above details as they see fit on a
landing page on their own web site.  It feels like you are trying to
overcomplicate what is actually kept track of in the registry.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010

2010-08-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Ah, sorry, I scanned the first couple too quickly then jumped to the end too
fast.  But, still, there's little or nothing there from too many of the
candidates.

By this metric, so far Daniel and Paolo get my votes...


Michael,

I certainly think this would be a great opportunity for folks to also
suggest some issues of interest to them.  Things that they would like
a reaction to from potential board members.

I did struggle a bit with what to put in my statement.  As an incumbent
it was not obvious to me that I have particular new issues to spearhead
in the coming years, though obviously I hope to continue with many existing
initiatives.

I am pleased to see a strong slate of candidates.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2010

2010-08-02 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Adrian Custer wrote:

On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 11:18 -0400, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

...snip...The board
has, by motion, chosen to interpret fail to participate ...in three
consecutive meetings as failure to participate in the charter/board
election process for three years running.


Hopefully you distinguish participation from voting since some choose
not to vote out of principle (although perhaps this is not an issue for
the charter members who might all have bought in to the vote based
approach of decision making used by OSGeo).


Adrian,

Only voting is going to be noted as participation.  If you, on principle,
do not wish to cast a vote for a particular candidate then you should
submit a ballot listing no candidates but noting you choose to abstain.


The Secretary (Tyler) is responsible for keeping track of participation in
cooperation with the election CRO.


Great. So has Tyler done so? 


I will leave that to Tyler to respond to.

 Where do things stand? Does Paul's list

need revision as the list of potential candidates? If you don't have
attendance or minutes, how can anyone possibly know?


I believe this will be the 3rd year of voting since we actualized
the concept of participation.  So someone who fails to vote this year
as well as the previous two years would be dropped from the charter
member ranks.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2010

2010-08-01 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Adrian Custer wrote:

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Paul Ramsey pram...@opengeo.org wrote:

The complete list of charter members
is available by from

* http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members


Where can one find the official attendance records and proxy
assignments of these members for the last three official meetings of
the members ? Were minutes kept for those meetings?


Adrian,

The meeting of members is the AGM and we do not keep track of who
attends, nor are they in any way limited to charter members.  We do
keep track of who actually votes in board and charter member elections
and we are supposed to deactivate members who haven't voted in either for
something like three years.

I'm not clear why you are asking though as the call was for board elections.
Perhaps you meant to ask about board meetings?  Minutes and attendance
information for board meetings can be found in the Meetings list off the
Board page at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2010

2010-08-01 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Adrian Custer wrote:
The call was for nominations for board elections, nominations which must 
come from the list of charter members.


Since the list given by Paul contained the name of one person I know to 
have moved on to other activities, I wondered what provisions existed to 
ease inactive members out of the charter member inner circle. As you 
state, I discovered a clear provision to that effect:


Section 7.7 Automatic Termination. Members shall have their membership 
status automatically terminated and their names removed by the Secretary 
of the corporation from all membership records of the corporation if 
they fail to participate, either in person or by proxy, in three (3) 
consecutive meetings of the members of the corporation, held 
electronically or otherwise.


which says nothing about voting but only about participation --- fail 
to participate.


So it seems that
  (1) participation of charter members in membership meetings should be 
recorded and

  (2) the secretary might consider a purge of the list of charter members.
That is unless these by-laws are merely considered pro-forma and the 
organization really run as it seems best to the board.


Adrian,

Interesting.  I hadn't read over the bylaws in some time.  They were stock
ones prepared by a lawyer at the very launch of the foundation.  The board
has, by motion, chosen to interpret fail to participate ...in three
consecutive meetings as failure to participate in the charter/board
election process for three years running.

The Secretary (Tyler) is responsible for keeping track of participation in
cooperation with the election CRO.

Note that charter membership is not withdrawn because someone moves on to
other endeavors.  Only if they fail to participate over an extended period
of time, or if they choose to terminate their membership.

It is my hope that at some point we will revise the Bylaws to more
accurately reflect the mechanism of operation of the foundation; however,
I have not followed up on this.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo list of programmers?

2010-07-31 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Markus Neteler wrote:

Perhaps we need something similar to Service Provider Directory at
http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile which is better supporting the many
individuals in our communities in the style of rent an OSGeo programmer?

...

Opinions?


Markus,

I think the service provider directory is the correct vehicle for this
purpose, and that instead of making something distinct we ought to just
promote amoung the rent an OSGeo programmer crowd more.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Projects AdHoc VM

2010-07-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Folks,

As discussed previously on the SAC (System Administration Committee) mailing
list, I have had a new virtual machine created designated the adhoc VM,
for use by OSGeo projects, and committees for somewhat experimental and
adhoc efforts.  Some further information on it is available at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/AdhocVM

The new VM is in place and operating now.  Anyone needing access who doesn't
already have it can contact me.  Or if there are any questions about it.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] server down?

2010-07-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Il 22/07/2010 15:58, Mike Toews ha scritto:

See: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/osgeo4w-dev/2010-July/001001.html


Thanks Mike.
I knew this, but the questions are:
- any idea about when the service will be back? Not being able to distribute 
update
packages is a serious issues for many
- (sorry if I'm rude, but) are we sure we can't do better to manage a vital
infrastructure? More than 10 days on a backup server does not sound very good 
to me;
weren't the blades new?
Any opinion?
All the best.


Paolo,

John has been working for several days now trying to get an OS installed
on the old download blade and booting again.  He has encountered odd issues
with the blade manager that I don't really understand.  So though we had
anticipated having the old blade back operational sooner that has not
occurred.

We certainly *could* do better in getting normal operation restored
but I have attempted to balance the criticality against the effort
level.  In particular, I rushed to get the download backup working
so end users would have access to software, but I have taken the position
that being able to update it conveniently can be delayed for a while
rather than replicate a bunch of setup work in two places.

I have been uploading packages to the download server on an adhoc
basis as needed, but I'm afraid to run the OSGeo4W regen software
as it is possible I might break things badly.

There is room for additional volunteers on the System Administration
Committee for folks willing to make an ongoing commitment and provide
phone contact information for day or night emergencies.   If you have
skills and commitment, please join the SAC mailing list and let us know.

  http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac

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Re: IS EVERYONE HERE FAST ASLEEP? was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OKF / OSGeo response to the consultation on opening Ordnance Survey data

2010-02-24 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Schuyler Erle wrote:

On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 16:26 +0100, Jo Walsh wrote:

dear a...@osgeo,

In sending this mail I'm following the protocol for letters of support 
coming from OSGeo:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Protocol_for_requesting_letter_of_support

As you may have heard, there's a public consultation running in the UK
on options for open licensing national mapping data maintained by
Ordnance Survey.


Is everyone on this mailing list dead? Or asleep? How is it that no one
has responded to this inquiry yet? Have we not, at least some of us,
been agitating for the proposed outcome for years? Does this issue not,
at least in principle, affect us all? Have you all forgotten that your
software is awesome, but it's useless -- without data?

I want to go on record as being 100% in favor of OSGeo providing a
letter of support for this response to the OSGB consultation. The
principle of Open Public Data is completely in harmony with the ideals
and objectives of the OSGeo Foundation. This is a chance for us to see a
change for the better in Ordnance Survey policy, a change that will
serve as a signal example to other NMAs around the world.

*Please* simply respond to the previous email with at least a +1 or a
single word of support, if you'd like to see the OSGeo Board respond to
this request in the affirmative. *Please*, for the love of God, don't
let us as a community deserve to be ashamed of ourselves for our own
ungenerous apathy. According to the Board's protocol for such things,
you only have a few hours, so pipe up now, while you have the chance.


Schuyler,

I've reviewed the protocol for a letter of support, and I don't see any
requirement for actual comment or +1's on the discuss list.  Showing
support is most important if anyone has spoken against a proposal or
if it is likely the board will be inclined to do nothing lacking
community support.

In this case I think Jo's position paper is not controversial and the
consultation with the community via discuss is being taken as pro-forma.

I will state, for the record, that I strongly support the proposed
submission and will support it at the board level.  I forsee no
problems with the board as a whole.  The response is completely in
keeping with OSGeo's position on the importance of there being a
body of quality free geodata.  The most obvious and critical source
of such data is national mapping agencies which are already mandated
to prepare and maintain base mapping layers.  All they need to do is
fine tune their licensing and financing models to unleash lots of
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to get through to mailman-admin if mail...@lists.osgeo.org doesn't work

2010-02-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. wrote:

Hi list,

I try to get through to the admin of the OSGeo listserver, but
mail...@lists.osgeo.org doesn't work.
Who is the admin and how to contact her/him?


Marco,

I am one of the admins for mailman.  I'll look into forwarding of the
mail...@lists.osgeo.org mailing address.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Copyright ownership

2010-02-14 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) wrote:
Cleaning up an older thread... 


From what I gather from the lists there seems to be no broad opinion in
favor of making projects move their copyright under the hood of OSGeo. 


With the recent discussion of potential export restriction enforcement
by incorporated organizations incorporated in USA the the need for a
more global organization seems to be higher. I am frankly at a loss at
where such an organization would be incorporated and what it could look
like but if it existed I would very much like to support it. If anyone
has a great idea what a truly global OSGeo should look like please speak
up. 


We should spend some thought on copyright every time we admit and
evaluate projects in incubation. My personal experience shows that
having the copyright of Open Source projects completely under the hood
of a community owned organization is a good thing. Everything else is
messy. The messy bit only shows when things go wrong so lets keep
fingers crossed and as long as nothing happens we'll all be fine. 


Arnulf,

I'm not sure I see the connection between the who holds copyright
issue, and the US export controls issue.  To me, centralized copyright
is primarily helpful when relicensing, or ensuring we have the right to
pursue legal action against someone using one of our projects in a fashion
that is contrary to the license.

I haven't yet come to any conclusions what to do about the US export control
problem.  One thing that was expressed in the past in a discussion of this
problem (perhaps on foundations list) is that many US export controls are a
reflection of international convenants on the export of weapons and possibly
weapons related technologies that have also been signed by most other major
nations.  As such, the US just seems to have more organized enforcement, and
we might at some point expect some similar enforcement in other nations.
I'm not sure exactly how true this is - I suspect there is a lot of leeway
in how things are classified, and enforced.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Copyright ownership

2010-02-14 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Ravi wrote:

While discussing this with Free Software Foundation of India, this topic
came up, and I could not explain them the position of software under
incubation by OSGeo. May I have a pointer or thread where the status of
software under incubation is dealt, indicating, 

 1. Copy-Left
 2. Type of licensing, GNU-GPL, BSD etc

Ravi,

I wasn't able to find a specific incubation document that addresses, it,
but it is required that projects release their code under an open source
license - in particular one approved (or clearly essentially identical to)
by OSI (http://www.opensource.org).  That means that GPL, LGPL, BSD, and
quite a number of other open source licenses are considered acceptable.

We also do a code provenance review to try and ensure that the existing
code base of the project is properly contributed. This is described at:

  http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/codereview.html

Current policy is that projects may choose to leave copyright with the
original contributors, some outside body or OSGeo.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2010 Summer of Code

2010-02-12 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:

Do we have some one that is going to take the lead on SOC for OSGeo this
year? I've been quite busy with the Journal this year, but I would like
to assist the lead as I have in years past.


Landon,

We are fortunate that Wolf Bergenheim will again be acting as OSGeo
administrative lead for SoC.  I'm sure he would be please for any assistance.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Daniel Ames wrote:
I teach ArcGIS 9.3 every semester, so I'll happily provide that 
perspective (as well as the MapWindow desktop perspective). 

By the way Tyler gave an awesome OSGeo talk at AGU in San Francisco last 
week and handled the how does this stack up to ESRI question 
brilliantly. I believe the answer was, We see ESRI as a major success 
story for OSGeo since they've adopted GDAL and OGR. Couldn't have been 
addressed more perfectly. 


Folks,

To be clear, I am unaware of any adoption of OGR by ESRI. They do make
extensive use of GDAL for raster translation and raster data access.

While this is a good point to mention, and helps point out that things
aren't as simple as us and them, since even them is often one of us
in some respects, I'd like us to be able to give a deeper answer.

Many workloads that are currently done with ArcGIS could also be done
with FOSS tools (most web mapping, much desktop work, and some deep
analysis).  I'd like to get white papers, and presentations addressing
some of these easily transferrable workloads.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An interesting article about software licensing in the non-open source geospatial world

2009-12-20 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Schlagel, Joel D. IWR wrote:


http://www.thestreet.com/story/10640248/1/tech-rights-give-companies-upper-h
and.html


Joel,

A lot of this article seems to be a contract dispute rather than a software
licensing dispute.  An interesting point is that if Netezza had secured
the software from Intelligent Integration Systems under an open source
license, they would have been able to port it to their new architecture
on their own.

Sometimes I hear folks complain about vague risks of using FOSS.  What is
amazing is how billion dollar organizations will put themselves in great
strategic jeopardy through dependencies on other organizations with only
unclear and uncertain contracts and some hope for goodwill to protect
themselves.

Building on software distributed under well understood and relatively
unrestrictive open source licenses can help a great deal.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Copyright ownership

2009-12-14 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Arnulf Christl wrote:
What do folks think about software Copyright ownership? OSGeo could 
suggest that project steering committees move the Copyright of their 
software under the hood of OSGeo as GeoTools and others already did. In 
some cases the respective project steering committees might not be able 
to do such a thing because they do not own it in the first place. Is 
that a good situation?


Arnulf,

While I would prefer copyright in OSGeo projects to reside with OSGeo for
simplicity and uniform management, I am concerned that the paperwork to
do this properly would be a barrier to participation.  I am also concerned
that some developers would be concerned about OSGeo having the right to
relicense their software - for instance, possibly moving code from LGPL/GPL
to more permissive open source license - contrary to their wishes when they
contributed the code.

I am also doubtful of our ability to convincingly get all the code of some
projects assigned to OSGeo.  An incomplete job does not seem much better than
not having bothered at all.

So, I'm on the side of business as usual which is that it is up to the
project to decide how they want to handle this as long as things are
handled responsibly and the results are under an open source license.

I would note that despite some cloudiness in the MySQL world, it remains
clear that the code remains available to use under the open source license
it was originally published under (GPL I think?).  I think that is the
key guarantee.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WCS/WMS accuracy tests?

2009-12-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Steven M. Ottens wrote:

Mapserver doesn’t offset the data unless it is physically impossible
(non-native, non-multiple resolutions, extents which don’t snap to source
data) but produces a multi-band geotiff where the source data is single
band.


Steven,

Thanks for the excellent post.  I'd be interested in following up on the
singleband / multiband issue with MapServer WCS when you have time.  I
vaguely recall there being an issue with this at one point but I thought it
was solved quite a while ago.  So if it persists in 5.6.0 I'd love a chance
to fix it.

Andrea Aime wrote:
 Steven M. Ottens wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've finished my tests. The conclusion: Geoserver has a bug which
 offsets all the results by half a pixel, this is a known issue with
 the definition of the location of a pixel. Added to this there’s the
 no-data border which appears with non-native, non-multiple requests.
 I presume that will be gone once the pixel issue is resolved.

 Ah hem, are you sure it's correct to call it a bug?
 My impression is that we are respecting the OGC specs to the letter and
 that, as it often happens, the real world is actually working
 differently, but I need to double check with Simone that dealt with
 this issue more in detail

Andrea / Simone,

I have set myself to watch GEOS-3702.  I'd like to be sure we all reach
the same understanding of the specification.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WCS/WMS accuracy tests?

2009-12-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Steven M. Ottens wrote:

On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:


Steven M. Ottens wrote:

Mapserver doesn’t offset the data unless it is physically impossible
(non-native, non-multiple resolutions, extents which don’t snap to source
data) but produces a multi-band geotiff where the source data is single
band.

Steven,

Thanks for the excellent post.  I'd be interested in following up on the
singleband / multiband issue with MapServer WCS when you have time.  I
vaguely recall there being an issue with this at one point but I thought it
was solved quite a while ago.  So if it persists in 5.6.0 I'd love a chance
to fix it.


I'm happy to help, the map file and source data can be found here: 
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175548/data.zip and the server itself is accessible through 
http://research.geodan.nl/cgi-bin/mapserver56/mapserv.exe?map=maps/corine.map;

If you need anything else let me know.


Steven,

I believe you would want to change this:

OUTPUTFORMAT
  NAME GTiff
  DRIVER GDAL/GTiff
  MIMETYPE image/tiff
  IMAGEMODE RGB
  EXTENSION tif
END

to:


OUTPUTFORMAT
  NAME GTiff
  DRIVER GDAL/GTiff
  MIMETYPE image/tiff
  IMAGEMODE BYTE
  EXTENSION tif
END

IMAGEMODE RGB essentially tells MapServer to produce a normal 24bit RGB
image result using the normal painting mechanisms.  Using IMAGEMODE BYTE
tells mapserver to produce a BYTE raster result and incidentally will
match the number of bands to the source image.   BYTE (and INT16 and FLOAT)
are often more appropriate for WCS when you want to preserve original
pixel values exactly rather than visually.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] role of foundation with regard to licensing

2009-11-18 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

A few questions about copyright have come across my desk or
face-to-face at events this year.  Frank, for the sake of
others on the list, could you give us an overview of what does it mean
to be an OSGeo project if OSGeo itself does not hold the copyright?  


Tyler,

I think Chris addressed this quite well.

I would add the goal of open source licenses are mostly to remove
barriers to utilization based on proprietary rights and control.
Once those have been waived by putting something under an open source
license it is *relatively* unimportant who holds the copyright rights
except that the copyright holder can choose to also offer the code
under alternative licenses.

Projects that don't assign copyright generally cannot be relicensed
due to the dispersion of the copyright holders, though individual
contributors might be able to make use of fragments of their
contributions in other contexts under other licenses.


I think the question was geared toward whether or not OSGeo could
guarantee future appropriate licensing of a product that
it has arms-length influence over - or would a non-complying project
then be rejected somehow?


Chris addressed this as well.  Basically we would be prepared to
support a fork that remained open source if a project attempted to
go closed.  I don't really see this as a serious concern in practice,
but even in theory there is no taking something away once it was open
sourced.


Just trying to remember some of the other questions I've heard.  Are
any of the above realistic concerns?


I don't see any reason to be very concerned about OSGeo having
control, or any need to guarantee things will stay open.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] role of foundation with regard to licensing

2009-11-18 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Tim Schaub wrote:

Sounds like the process goes like this (if OSGeo holds copyright):

1) PSC votes on license
2) PSC chair advises OSGeo board
3) OSGeo board decides on license


Tim,

Actually the steps would be:

1) PSC votes on license
2) PSC chair declares motion passed, and directs the license update
on behalf of OSGeo.

You could notify the board as a courtesy but it isn't required.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry

2009-11-16 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Miles Fidelman wrote:

Tyler Mitchell wrote:
Perhaps we can turn the thread to discussing what are the real or 
perceived barriers people, in general, find to getting involved with 
OSGeo.   I'm sure that any barriers women would have might also affect 
others, so it might be useful to broaden the discussion so more 
participate.


1 What barriers are there to joining OSGeo and its projects?

Getting paid tends to be a big one.

Seriously.  Most of the successful open source projects I'm familiar 
with involved salaries or other work-related support.


- University researchers working on grants (Apache)

- Students working on thesis material (Linux)

- IT staff developing software as part of their work, then open sourcing 
the software as a way to reduce ongoing support costs (Sympa)


- Corporate developers open sourcing code to expand a user base (Erlang)

- Government contractors working working on an SBIR contract (one of our 
current projects)


- etc.

Labors of love are fun, but ultimately most people have to pay the bills.
I guess that leads to a central question:  What are the day jobs of the 
core developers associated with OSGeo projects, to what extent are those 
developers paid to work on the projects, and what are the business 
reasons of their employers for doing so?


Miles,

Certainly all of the above tend to apply to many people contributing
to OSGeo projects.  Certainly the bulk of my work on GDAL, and MapServer
is client funded.  I know that most of the contributors to GDAL and
MapServer have at least some of their time funded.  Likewise many of
the other projects though my knowledge gets thinner on some of them.

I think one challenge is to get people who have funded time to work on
specific features into broader involvement with the projects and
OSGeo in general.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapnik in windows with gdal with ecw support

2009-11-11 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses wrote:

Hello everybody!

May be someone can help me (or show me the way)

I'm looking for a windows version of Mapnik compiled with gdal
compiled with ecw support, or at least the gdal.input plug in
compiled with it.

Well at least that is what I think I need, 'cause probably I
misunderstood something... ;)

Thanks in advance,


Pedro,

There is some information on building with ECW support at:

  http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/ECW

Prebuilt binaries of GDAL 1.5 and 1.6 with ECW support are available
as part of OSGeo4W and there are corresponding ECW plugins.

http://osgeo4w.osgeo.org/

http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-gdal-ecw
http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/release/gdal/gdal-ecw/gdal-ecw-1.5.2-2.tar.bz2

http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-gdal16-ecw
http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/release/gdal/gdal16-ecw/gdal-ecw-1.6.0-2.tar.bz2

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WMS Performance Shootout at FOSS4G 2009

2009-10-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Bob Basques wrote:

All,

Is there a list of the tests administered? 


Bob,

There will be.

 I would be interested in 
the rendering speed of differently sized images and where the sweet spot 
is for a particular engine in size vs rendering speed. 


I do not believe we are analysing large vs. small images.  We have
produced a randomly generated request sequence with a mix of sizes
intended to represent a common workload.

  I did find the
description of source data.  Also any thing related to reprojection of 
rasters on the fly?


No, not this year.

Are the Live Benchmarks links going to be the same for the duration of 
the competition?


I'm not sure what links you mean, but the wiki page will continue to exist
and be updated.  I would note we are trying to keep the final results
quiet so there will be a little drama at the presentation.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Jacolin Yves wrote:

Hello Cédric,

I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) :

Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit :

The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
management, end user, marketing etc...




Folks,

I would instead express this as OSGeo needs end users (including their
managers), and those interested in it's marketting (which I would prefer
to call promotion) to get more actively involved and contribute.

What we developers don't necessarily want is a bunch of others telling us
what to do.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Rafal Wawer wrote:

Hi Frank, For your end-users I see a lot of opportunities in developing
countries, 


Rafal,

So do I, particularly because I think in those countries people will
see that some elbow grease and investment in their own knowledge can
give them what they need for a low cost, and providing future
opportunities.


where the cost of software licenses is far to high for the
budgets thay have. Naturally, some of the users use cracks, but it won't be
that easy enymore, especially in the domain of web services. OSGeo could
support education in FOSS4G in those countries - with active marketing,
sending information letters to the bodies responsible for mapping and
environment.


I am a big believer in folks pulling up their own socks in this regard.
I am dubious about OSGeo trying to seed into countries without local
advocates, but there are things we can do to help support locals who
want promotional and training materials, and some introduction into
international circles.

Hopefully we can also provide an aura of deserved respectability
for our projects that will make it easier for decision makers to take
them seriously.

 OSGeo could also participate in dvelopment projects - like

those small grants of GSDI, providing FOSS solutions, not mentioning
European FP7 projects addressing Africa. For know the quite steep learning
curve to get into FOSS4G is very often keeping the potential users away.


There are things we can do, but to a large extent the benefits will go
to those users who realize some investment in learning is worthwhile.


Is OSGeo targeting those users now? If you look onto the map of registered
members: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member, well, not
everyone added himself to the map, but enyway, Africa, Asia and South
America look quite empty (-;


There are things we are doing now, including holding FOSS4G in South
Africa last year, and making an effort to involve geographically diverse
folks in the charter membership and board.  We have also been supportive
(though perhaps we could be more so) of local chapters where they are
established by local advocates.

But, clearly we still have had only modest success getting folks in
the developing world actively involved in the global OSGeo activities.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:

I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt
the number of paid staff and budget. We can make good use with 100k more
for hardware, services and to have more reserves for the conferences.
But I believe that we should not let the budget grow beyond ~half a
million - not even in five years. If there is money to make then it
should be made by businesses. They in turn are welcome to sponsor OSGeo.
By supporting FOSS business development OSGeo automagically supports
itself.


Arnulf,

I also am not keen on a big budget organization, though I wouldn't
want to put any specific limit on it.  Areas I *would* like to see
grow budget wise is project sponsorship as a mechanism for user
organizations to share in supporting project development.  Of course, that
will depend to a large part on the success of projects in soliciting funds
and putting them to effective use.

One thing I am leery about, but that has been suggested by some, is OSGeo
trying to provide professional services as a way of raising money.  I think
this is best left to the FOSS business community.  I feel this way for
two reasons.

 (1) OSGeo does not really have the managerial strength to effectively
 deliver customer oriented projects.

 (2) I don't want to compete against our partners in the business
 community who are already providing so much of the important push
 for free geospatial software development and deployment.

I would like to see growing sponsorship funds to help support educational,
promotional and community oriented efforts by OSGeo.  Quite a bit of this
can be effectively done at the local level by local chapters.


Local Chapters should grow by themselves, in most cases an small initial
stub created from within OSGeo Global is enough to get going. And as
Howard said - the life of OSGeo is within the local chapters.


I think local chapters are important, but I'm not sure I'd go as far as you
on this.  I think global project, and osgeo special interest group mailing
lists can also be where a good deal of the life of OSGeo is.

My next 5 years list might look something like:

 - A broad set of quality software projects under the OSGeo banner
   that feel they are getting good value from OSGeo in terms of
   promotion, branding and systems support.  Furthermore that the
   developer and user communities feel they have a fair (equal
   opportunity) environment to contribute and effect their projects.

 - Educational support resources sufficient to be deployed directly
   for post-secondary educational organizations wanting to roll out
   a GIS/geospatial program based on free software *and* a significant
   number of organizations who have done so and are publically involved
   in supporting further improvements to the materials.

 - Lots of local chapters pursuing a diversity of local initiatives
   with lots of inter chapter, chapter-project, and chapter-osgeo
   linkages.  Hopefully local chapters will be hot-beds of innovative
   activities even when OSGeo is somewhat slow moving.

 - OSGeo facilitated delivery of vetted, integrated software stacks
   ready to use for user organizations, and considered enterprise
   ready.  Think of OSGeo4W, Debian GIS and the recent FOSS4G
   LiveDVD as examples of forms this might take.

 - A continued strong FOSS4G, acknowledged as the primary global
   meeting of the tribes, though it might not be significantly
   larger than it is now.

 - Financial income coming from a wide diversity of sponsors, most
   of which are end-user organizations.  Also some money coming
   in the form of grants in support of specific activities (such
   as work on educational products or standards participation).

 - The organization has sustained income sufficient to support an ED,
   project systems requirements, with enough money left over to
   pursue a variety of initiatives.  I think sufficient funding would
   be in the $25 to $40 area.

 - OSGeo pursuing a variety of modest cost, non-permanent initiatives.
   Things like holding special meetings with travel support for
   desktop integration or standards development and implementation
   sprints.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin

2009-09-28 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Hi all.
Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392
I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. For my 
experience, I do not
think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server 
administration is a
service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures.
Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource 
for open source
software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who 
are doing it!).
In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in 
charge of software
upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc.


Paolo,

Within some limits, I feel that system administration can be well suited to
volunteers.

I don't feel OSGeo can afford a good system administrator at market rates,
even part time.  If we were paying market rates I think it would take some
serious cost benefit analysis to determine if the Trac upgrade would be
a worthwhile investment of money.

Nevertheless, I do keep an eye out for possible system administration services
we could contract for at below international market rates to do some tasks
that are now generally left undone, even if we couldn't get the fire and
forget caliber of admin it would be nice to have.

I'd add that at this time SAC's budget is rather modest, and focused on
paying our Peer1 hosting costs, and the planned acquisition of some modest
additional hardware.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: A reminder on terminology

2009-09-04 Thread Frank Warmerdam

René A. Enguehard wrote:
If you want to be even more granular, you can say closed source 
software as well. There does exist software which has a closed source 
but is not directly proprietary. For instance, parts of the QNX kernel 
code are not shown with the standard source code and to be able to view 
them you must sign some form of an agreement. Even then, you cannot 
modify the code or redistribute, but you are free to submit improvements 
and patches which will then be reviewed and (possibly) integrated. I 
wouldn't call that proprietary software by any stretch since you *can* 
see the source code and patch bugs within the kernel and the rest of the 
code base is entirely open source.


Perhaps it's a bit pedantic, but if we're going for accuracy we might 
not want to lump everything together with proprietary software either.


René,

I would certainly call that proprietary!  To my mind, proprietary projects
and source are those that I do not have the direct freedom to view,
modify and redistribute at will (as defined in the Open Source Definition
for instance).

If I can only see the source with permission it is closed.

If I can only provide improvements to others with permission it is closed.

I think proprietary is a reasonable name for projects that fail to meet
the open source definition, though there could be some grey zones where it
seems like an inappropriate label.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Any plan for improving Service Providers?

2009-08-03 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Yves Jacolin (free) wrote:

Hello,

Anyone could tell me it there are any plan for improving the Service Provider 
[1] ?


For instance, add more information about service provided by each company like 
formation, support, custom dev, development of OSGeo application, etc.


Yves,

There was a plan to add indicators for service providers that had
contributed back to the community in a variety of ways (sponsorships,
supporting projects with developers, etc), but it never was implemented.

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SPD_Prioritization

I have tried to avoid attempting to describe services in too much detail
within the application itself, and instead *hoped* that organizations would
provide a landing page that gave a good description of their services
appropriate to people coming from the service provider directory.

Organizations provide a wide set of services, and it is hard to describe
them consistently for searching purposes.  I think it is better to see the
SPD as giving pointers to service providers that the searcher can then
research more deeply using other mechanisms.

Also, keep in mind that we do not currently vette organizations and the more
complicated the classification the more inconsistently it is likely to be
applied.  We already have the problems that service providers which to list
lots of countries where they are willing to operate while we really want that
field to indicate countries where they have existing staff on the ground
in an office.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about an OSGeo Credit Card?

2009-08-03 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Robert Hollingsworth wrote:

How about an OSGEO Group Health Insurance plan,
for those of US who live in primitive countries that lack 
comprehensive national health care programs (and are 
likely to stay that way despite the best efforts by some 
in our federal legislative bodies)


REH

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From: Stephen Woodbridge wood...@swoodbridge.com
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about an OSGeo Credit Card?
To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:46 PM

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4577tag=nl.e539
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4577tag=nl.e539


Steve / Robert,

I *suspect* the affinity card is US only and that we would likely thus have
a fairly modest uptake.  I'm not too sure how serious the group health
comment was, but likewise I assume it would be US only and hard to justify
a great deal of organizational effort for limited uptake.

If it wasn't for the balkanization of the global financial system, I would
be tempted by the idea of an OSGeo affinity card.  Certainly nicer than my
current GM affinity card.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any library for modifying TIFF tags ?

2009-06-20 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Jachym Cepicky wrote:

Hi,

I try o add custom (proprietary) tags to TIFF files. I tried to modify
libtiff [1] according to [2], I added lines

libtiff/tiff.h:
#define TIFFTAG_SIGNATURE65001

libtiff/tif_dirinfo.c (line 392):
{ TIFFTAG_SIGNATURE,TIFF_VARIABLE, TIFF_VARIABLE,
TIFF_UNDEFINED, FIELD_CUSTOM, 1,0,  Signature },

The tag should be TIFF_UNDEFINED according to documentation. I'm able to
read the tag value, but never able to set the tag value, no matter, if
the tag is already available in the image or not (fresh image).

I wanted to ask, if there is someone out there, who successfully uses
libtiff or similar/other library/program, for editing of tiff
(preferably UNDEFINED) tags. Any experience with Python-Image?


Jachym,

I am familiar with extending libtiff with custom tags.  Note there are
less intrusive ways of registering custom tags that do not require modifying
libtiff itself.  For instance, GDAL does this to add some custom tags:

static TIFFExtendProc _ParentExtender = NULL;

static void GTiffTagExtender(TIFF *tif)

{
static const TIFFFieldInfo xtiffFieldInfo[] = {
{ TIFFTAG_GDAL_METADATA,-1,-1, TIFF_ASCII,  FIELD_CUSTOM,
  TRUE, FALSE,  (char*) GDALMetadata },
{ TIFFTAG_GDAL_NODATA,  -1,-1, TIFF_ASCII,  FIELD_CUSTOM,
  TRUE, FALSE,  (char*) GDALNoDataValue },
{ TIFFTAG_RPCCOEFFICIENT,   -1,-1, TIFF_DOUBLE, FIELD_CUSTOM,
  TRUE, TRUE,   (char*) RPCCoefficient }
};

if (_ParentExtender)
(*_ParentExtender)(tif);

TIFFMergeFieldInfo( tif, xtiffFieldInfo,
sizeof(xtiffFieldInfo) / sizeof(xtiffFieldInfo[0]) );
}

I'm not clear on why you are unable to set a tag of type UNDEFINED though
I rarely work with this type.  I would suggest you prepare a minimal program
using libtiff to demonstrate this issue and post about the issue on the
libtiff mailing list.  Then I, or someone else, may be able to provide more
detailed advice.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] trac non-functional

2009-06-19 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Howard Butler wrote:


On Jun 19, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:


Hi all.
Are there any plans to solve the horrible slowness and tendency to
return errors of the trac? We are working a lot on the qgis trac, but it
is a real pain, to the point that we are kind of thinking to write an
interface to the trac caching the results for quick search (what a waste
of time).


Paolo,

The problem is a volunteer manpower one.  There are definitely plans, it 
is just a matter of finding the time in which we can shut down and 
implement them.  I'm sorry that I can't give a better answer than that.  
If you have time you can devote to the effort, please join the SAC list, 
and we can get you up to date with all of the issues.  We would happily 
add another administrator of Trac if you have lots of familiarity with 
it (especially mod_python, mod_wsgi and sqlite{1,3} vs external db like 
pg).


Folks,

I have added a brief wiki topic on upgrade plans.  Tentatively Howard
and myself will attempt to do something tomorrow night.

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Trac_Instances#Planned_Upgrade

It should be noted that there may be Trac unavailability for up to four
hours during the upgrade efforts.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Liability Issues For Companies Supporting Open Source Development

2009-04-02 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:
I’m curious about the type if liability issues a company might open 
itself up to by supporting open source software development. Let me give 
you a scenario:


 

A graphic design company decides it will sponsor some development of the 
SVG editor Inkscape. It puts out an RFP for the functionality it would 
like added to the program. It sets up a source code repository for these 
changes, hires a company/individual developer to perform the work, and 
works with the community to integrate the improvements back into the 
main development trunk.


 


What legal liability might this introduce the company to?

 

Is there an article or paper that discusses this question? I’m working 
on small business support for an open source project, and I know one of 
the first objections I will run into is “we don’t want to be liable for 
any programming effort we support financially”.


Landon,

Typically open source licenses include disclaimers of responsibility,
fitness for a purpose, etc.  For instance for GDAL:


THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS
OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL
THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING
FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER
DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.


This will generally protect the original author or funder of a software
development from liability for damages.  I'd be interested to hear
of open source developers or their supporters being successfully
sued when operating with such a disclaimer.

Were you concerned about some other kind of liability?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Nice Article about FOSS4G use in Maine

2009-04-02 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Folks,

Mike Smith has written a nice article which highlights the work he
has been doing on web services in Maine which highlights a number
of OSGeo projects including GDAL, and MapServer.

  http://www.govtech.com/gt/articles/633927

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: Microdonations for OSGeo

2009-03-13 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Markus Neteler wrote:

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
tmitch...@osgeo.org wrote:

On 12-Mar-09, at 11:27 PM, Markus Neteler wrote:

I would like to bring up the idea of accepting microdonations
as general donations to OSGeo:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Microdonations

Given the success of OSM, Wikipedia and others in that area of
fund-rising I don't see a reason why OSGeo does not accept
small donations from community members and likeminded people
to keep OSGeo running.

I was looking more at this idea this week and I just realised that we do
already accept these donations. We do have the PayPal donation button on the
website front page (top right corner).  Was there more you think we need to
be doing?  Anyone can donate through that already, are you suggesting a
change to that?


Ok, fine - do you have any insights in how well that works?


Markus,

It is very rare for us to get a donation through this mechanism.  I would
also note that these are undirected donations.  You cannot donate through
this mechanism and have it go to a particular project or activity.  It is
just booked as a generic donation by Tyler, and I'm not aware of any
acknowledgement process (or tax receipts).

The hard part of microdonations isn't so much receiving them via something
like paypal, it is managing small pools of money on the books for many
sub-projects, and trying to keep track of who donated to what and when.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo4w stack building notes: maybe a dedicated wiki?

2009-02-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam

G. Allegri wrote:

osgeo4w is making its way in various institutions. The tam-tam has
begun and I hear people beginning to ask about it. The Windows users
are the most between GIS users, so it is an expected clamour.
Right yesterday I've been asked if it's possible to manage
GRASS/QGIS/GDAL/R/Python bindings building with the same ease as on
Linux platforms. I've left the Windows world some years ago, but now I
need to start again with it, and I need to answer this question to my
boss and collegues. I've read in the recent MLs threads about QGIS and
MSVC, GRASS on MSYS, R... I'm not sure but AFAIU MSYS too... My boss
has asked me to have a build of GRASS7, with the new Python bindings,
and the rest of the stack I said before. Is it possible to organize in
the OSGEO wiki some notes on how to start up with the building of it?
There are various sparse notes (for GRASS and QGIS), but they mostly
refer to the single executables, and not to the Osgeo4w way.
I know it's not easy to realize it, first of all because everything is
evolving very fast, and things change in a day... But it could help,
at least to have a first reference (notes and people working on that
specific topic). OsGeo4w wiki could be the right place.
Anyway, next days I will start the long way to GRASS7+QGIS building! :)


Giovanni,

I would first note that the http://osgeo4w.osgeo.org/ is already a Trac
wiki and anyone can extend it.  Where it is of interest I think it would
be nice to add extensive detail on how packages are built.  In particular
the GRASS + QGIS group are fairly involved and it would be nice to have
the process described - perhaps referencing existing docs (like the
WinGRASS build topic that already exists in the GRASS wiki) as appropriate.

To some extent this will depend on those who are doing the builds now
to describe details - in this case Jurgen.

I will note that some package include associated source packages which
include adjustments made for OSGeo4W builds.  For instance, the GDAL
source packages for 1.5 and 1.6 include the actual nmake.opt file that
was used, and some cygwin-bash scripts used to prepare the package file.
These can be useful if someone else needs to pick up maintenance of the
packages.

There is also a an existing general topic on how to build OSGeo4W packages
which I would encourage anyone interested in packaging to review:

  http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/PackagingInstructions

You might also want to join the OSGeo4W mailing list for detailed
discussions of packaging.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo4w setup.exe source code?

2009-02-25 Thread Frank Warmerdam

G. Allegri wrote:

Hello list.
Thanks everyone for the great work done with OSGeo4W.
I have a strange (maybe) question. I suppose that osgeo4w setup.exe is
a fork of the cygwin's setup. Is it possible to view/download its
source code?


Giovanni,

Yes, it is available in svn at:

  http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/trunk/setup/

Some more information it is available at:

  http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/SetupDevelopment

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGR and Open Design Alliance DWG-DXF

2009-02-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Roger Bedell wrote:

Hi Frank,
I found this:
 
http://svn.osgeo.org/gdal/spike/dxfdwg/
 
which seems to be an OGR to DWG/DXF exporter using the ODA libs.
 
Can you tell me what the status of this is? If it isn't active, can I 
pick it up and work with it a bit?


Roger,

This code was removed from GDAL trunk because a bit of it was derived
directly from header files of the ODA libraries and so it was not
properly licensed as open source.  As of a year or two ago I believe
it worked within the limited scope of what it was supposed to do - which
was to export simple features DWG files from OGR datasources.

Feel free to use the code, but keep in mind that the license
provenance is flawed, though not necessarily insurmountable so.

I'm not sure that this forum is the best place for additional discussion
on technical details.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] multipatch shapefile FIRST_RING structure

2009-01-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Rushforth, Peter wrote:
  The shapefile spec for multipatch shapefiles says this:


When the individual types of rings in a collection of rings representing a
polygonal patch with holes is unknown, the sequence must start with First
Ring, followed by a number of Rings (p 21).

Figure 3 shows a First Ring as an inner ring with an exterior ring as a
Ring.

Does this mean a receiving application must be prepared to figure out the (3
dimensional) topology of the rings it reads from a shapefile? Why? When
would this ever be the case?


Peter,

An application that wants to process multi-patch shapefiles, including those
using the FirstRing/Ring part types and that cares about nesting of rings
must be prepared to do a geometric analysis to determine which are inner
and outer.

 I mean an application that doesn't know which
 is the exterior ring from the interior rings of an internal data structure
 has no business writing them out and thus make them someone else's problem,
 in my view.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion...

I would note that multi-part shapefiles are (in my experience) very rare.

A more serious issue is that there are lots of applications that have
written out polygon shapefiles without following the specification properly
resulting in improper ring orientation and/or ordering meaning that an
application that wants to play it safe needs to do detailed geometric
analysis on polygon shapefiles too.

In the past shapelib and OGR were quite careless about how they wrote
out shapefiles, and part of my penance is that they now have to do geometric
analysis when reading which can be quite expensive.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] multipatch shapefile FIRST_RING structure

2009-01-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Rushforth, Peter wrote:

Hi Frank,

Thanks for your response.

An application that wants to process multi-patch shapefiles, 
including those using the FirstRing/Ring part types and that 
cares about nesting of rings must be prepared to do a 
geometric analysis to determine which are inner and outer.


This is in 3d we're talking right, so 2d libraries won't work
unless the rings are transformed to the horizontal prior to analysis.


Peter,

I would not expect to do the analysis in 3D as for my purposes I
am only interested in 2.5D geometry sets.  I believe multipatch
files are normally used to represent TINs which can be safely
analysed in 2D, and the Z values just carried along.


The odd thing is that there are also OUTER_RING and
INNER_RING structures.  FIRST_RING/RINGis used seemingly to signal
a potential polygon in which the rings must be analysed.  I say
potential, because there's no guarantee that the rings don't
overlap, for instance, so this structure must be used to signal
near-spaghetti.


I agree.

I would note that multi-part shapefiles are (in my 
experience) very rare.


I guess it depends on where you're swimming...


Indeed.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] multipatch shapefile FIRST_RING structure

2009-01-26 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Eric Wolf wrote:

Frank and Peter,

Maybe we we need an ogr_cleaner app that can read in poorly structured 
shapefiles and normalize them to the standard. Maybe even a general 
topology cleaner that's file-format agnostic. Sounds like a fun summer 
project for a CompSci student.


Eric,

OGR already does geometric analysis on read, and write so a simple
ogr2ogr should clean up most things.

But multipatch files are not (well?) supported by OGR and don't fit
the original OGC geometry model smoothly so OGR wouldn't be the right
tool to cleanup multipatch files.

And are shapefiles really being used much in the 3D world? 


As Peter mentions, it depends where you swim.  Certainly I haven't
seen *real* 3D use of shapefiles, though there are a reasonable number
of 2.5D ones with elevations attached to geometries.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Top ten myths for open source in geo?

2009-01-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Gentlepersons:

I'm doing an article addressing the top ~10 myths/misperceptions about open
source for geo.  There are a number of such pieces already out there about
open source in general, from which I'll borrow heavily, but I'd like to have
half the list be myths specific to the geo and GIS world we're playing in.

Do you have any nominations?  Which issues are not well understood?  What
questions do you most frequently get asked?


Michael,

I hope you will include some of the myths that are not specific to
geospatial FOSS, but with answers/explanations focused more on open
source.

So for instance, when addressing a concern like there is no support,
you could name support companies that provide support in the geospatial
space.

I would like to suggest:

foss4g products don't support my existing proprietary data to which
the answer will hopefully be that FOSS4G packages have quite extensive
support for different data formats, including important undocumented
proprietary file formats, but that there are some limitations so
investigate with regard to your own data.

Another common one in general is open source is just for that geeky
linux operating system, I want to use windows! to which the response
will hopefully reference some particular windows packaging efforts like
OSGeo4W as well as indicating that most projects do offer binaries for
windows.  I often try to make the point that OSGeo and FOSS4G is available
for many operating systems, and that using open source GIS software does
not mean pushing linux down peoples throats.

A variation on this is you need to be a software developer to use
open source to which the response is also reference to the various
convenient pre-built binaries for various platforms.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC and OSGeo Sign Memorandum of Understanding

2009-01-07 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote:

Hey Tyler,

I understood from some people/discussions that the individual membership 
can only be used when the individual owns their IP (intellectual 
property). So people working in a company, where the company owns the 
persons IP, would not be able to use this membership.


Is this true, are you able to shed some light on this?


Bart,

I believe the individual members via OSGeo are bound by the normal
limitations on such memberships.  I believe you question about IP
belonging to a company as opposed to the individual roughly describes
the main criteria.

So the individual memberships are primarily useful for hobbiests, and
other independent folks.


What will be OsGeo's policy for selecting the 6 people?


This isn't worked out in detail, but I believe Arnulf has been selected
as the primary liaison and for the time being would be making the decision
if there are more candidates than slots available.  It may be that this
isn't much of a problem.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo

2008-12-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:

Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also
have two rented
servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these
servers).
We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers.

Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this?


Landon,

The arrangement at Peer1 was made primarily with the goal of having
a reliable decent server able to support svn/trac and related project
services.  The second server is primarily serving as a backup though
the wiki is hosted there.

We are contemplating dropping use of the second Peer1 server to save
funds.


Frank wrote:  So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via
the servers at
Telascience.  OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own
(ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata.

Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational,
disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be
cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially
priced servers like the ones at Peer1.

Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the
bandwith requirements for download, or both?


Both.  Bandwidth overages at Peer1 can mount up to be expensive very
quickly, so we already host our most bandwidth intensive applications
(download.osgeo.org and existing geodata services) at telascience.

I'm presuming the hosted data would be made available as web services
(WMS, WCS, etc) not just a download site.


Frank wrote:  There is some question in my mind just how central the
*hosting* of
free geodata is to our mission.

It would be great to get this clarified.


Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with
many different ideas like OSGeo.


I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a
small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure
out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds
like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this
year. :]


I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether
it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo

2008-12-22 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:

Frank wrote: Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization
with many different ideas like OSGeo.

Roger that. So I guess it boils down to the internal support for this
type of service.


Landon,

Yes, I suppose.  I will say there is certainly support for OSGeo hosting
free geodata, but it is unclear if that support extends to spending
significant amounts of money on it.  It also depends on folks with the
right talents being able to do the work needed.


Frank wrote: I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or
not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes.

Roger that. I wonder if it would be possible to make a donation to
telascience trough OSGeo, which would be tax deductible...


Our 501(c)3 application is still wending it's way through the IRS.  I don't
know if we could issue a charitable tax receipt for money received for this
tax year or not ... it is certain iffy.

If we could, and the amount was significant, we could earmark it
for geodata/hardware type expenses at telascience.  But, honestly,
you might be better donating money to feed starving children somewhere
this year, and just provide your talents as a developer, tester,
documentor and advocate to the FOSS4G/OSGeo community - and revisit
the donation issue next year.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Best Person For Questions About Project Incubation

2008-12-10 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Landon Blake wrote:
It seems like the OpenJUMP community may be cautiously moving towards a 
decision to apply for status as an OSGeo Project. I would like to know 
who would be the best person to ask questions as we begin to make the 
needed changes and move through the application and incubation process. 
Any suggestions?


Landon,

I am available to answer questions about the project incubation process.
I would also encourage review of the Incubation Process documents at:

  http://www.osgeo.org/incubator

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question

2008-12-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote:

Hi list,

today I was in a meeting about GeoExt, and the following question came up:

Is it possible for OsGeo to take copyright for a project which yet has 
to form and has not passed incubation as such?


A commercial company has expressed issues contributing if the copyright 
is not owned by a trustworthy independent organization such as OsGeo.


Is anybody able to answer this? TIA.


Bart (and Bob),

It isn't obvious to me that OSGeo has to do anything for you to assign
copyright to us.  So in that sense you could likely just force it on us.

However, my suggestion would be for you to request OSGeo to accept
code copyright by way of a letter to the board.  Alternatively, if
there is an existing OSGeo project to which the GeoExt project relates
somewhat closely, you might ask them to take it on under their project
governance.

To be legal in the USA we understand copyright assignment to require a
signed document.  There are some examples of assignment, and contributor
agreements available at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee

Note that OSGeo holding the copyright doesn't generally mean we will
do much.  But for OSGeo projects our position has been that the code
must remain available under an open source license (OSI certified or
clearly equivelent to an OSI certified license).  We defer to the
project PSC on changes to the license (within those constraints).  We
are generally hesitant to take legal enforcement action against violators
of the license, preferring to resolve issues through negotiation and
education.

As a board member I'd be more supportive of taking on some responsibility
for a project (ie. holding code copyright) if I thought the project was
likely to go through the incubation process eventually.  And, once again,
I'd rather see an existing incubated project PSC take responsibility
rather than having to do it directly via the board if possible.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question

2008-12-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

P Kishor wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi list,

today I was in a meeting about GeoExt, and the following question came up:

Is it possible for OsGeo to take copyright for a project which yet has to
form and has not passed incubation as such?


Just looking at the above question, the answer would be no in the
US. In the US, per  Title 17, Section 102, original works of
authorship have to be fixed in any tangible medium of expression
before they can acquire copyright protection. Since the said project
hasn't yet been formed, it can't be protected.


Puneet,

It appears to be a common practice to write copyright assignments and
contributor agreements in such a way that they apply to new contributions
as they are created.  Of course for this to work well it is necessary to
be reasonably clear about what is being contributed.  So regardless of
the text of title 17, section 102, reputable intellectual property
lawyers have not shown any hesitation to draft agreements related to
future creations.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question

2008-12-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

P Kishor wrote:

Any right is only as good as its defense in the court. Just because
reputable IP lawyers may draft copyright assignments in works that
don't yet exist doesn't mean that actual copyrights in those works
exist.


Puneet,

I don't claim that the copyright exists before the thing being
copyrighted exists.  Only that it is possible to write a contract
that grants that copyright in advance of it actually existing.
The actual assignment for each chunk presumably takes place as
it is created and the copyright comes into existance.

I am doubtful that this tangent is really important to the question of
whether these folks can assign the copyright of their work-to-come to
OSGeo.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] News submittal (I think)

2008-11-17 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Bob Basques wrote:

Frank,

Not a big deal from this end (based on your comments).  We'll have version
2.0 ready around the end of the year.  The last News Item I sent was for
Version 1.2, which was at the beginning of the year.   I didn't think to
send every point release in between to the news items, only those that I
thought merited announcement.  Version 1.6 has some interesting new
features.  But Version 2.0 will have a lot more thrown in as well.

I swear we had a similar conversation to this the last time around too, you
were making some similar cautioning statements at that time as well.   BTW:
What's the Gage being used for saying something is not widespread.  It's in
widespread use around here.  :c)


Bob,

The review is entirely subjective on my part based on my perceptions.


Anyway, I'll send something along for Version 2.0 when it's ready.


Sounds good.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Anyone interested in geocoding and routing?

2008-11-11 Thread Frank Warmerdam
(Orkney)Toru Mori wrote:
 Apart from technical design, geocoder is useless without data :)
 
 Address systems are varied and messy, at least here in Japan and in other 
 Asia region. For example, Japan has more than 3 systems. Additionally it 
 is very tough to get good enough data. There is no separation in address 
 text. 
 
 We developed geocoder.ja already for our region specifically, but 
 unfortunately it won't work in even other countries in Asia. 
 http://www.postlbs.org/ja/geocoder
 
 
 A sigle universal, global geocoder may sound perfect. However, there is 
 very limited space in terms of standardization as follows.
 
 -
  API (can be standardized)
 -
  thin parser (might be standardized)
 -
  geocoding logic (cannot be standardized)
 -
  local dataset (varied and messy)
 -
 
 So what OSGeo should lead would be just APIs. If OSGeo wants to 
 standardize lower levels, then the project won't finish probably.

Toru Mori,

I do think any final solution needs to support plugging in
distinct address parsers and geocoder matching logic for
differ locales and underlying datasets.  My understanding is
that some of the commercial data providers have fairly
standard schemes for how to break down address data into a
standard tabular layout - at least for quite a bit of the world.
We might want to learn something from the breakdown approach
they used.

Generally I agree that we won't be able to write one
universal geocoder but it seems to me a good architecture
with the ability for people to contribute local parsers
and geocoding matchers might be an ideal sort of open source
project.

Of course, I'm speaking hypothetically (without experience)
and you are speaking from experience!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] methods for programatically adding fields to shapefiles

2008-10-31 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Tim Sutton wrote:

Hi

Are there any suggestions on how to do this from c++? Something we've
long wanted to add support for in QGIS.

Frank Warmerdam was reticent about adding it to ogr since it would
have many crosscutting implications...


Tim,

I would note that I would not mind implementing OGRLayer::CreateField()
for shapefiles that already have features (though I'm not promising
I have time).  I think I was wanting to avoid more general schema
alteration (removing fields, reordering, changing names, etc).

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