Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Ravi Kumar <manarajahmundry2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Will be happy to see those who have let 'The Clouds In Motion'... and those > 'Giving us a good harvest of GRASS'.. speak out too. Ravi, I am not sure, but in light of my signature perhaps 'the clouds in motion' is a hint to me. I don't see any need to rerun this election, nor am I particularly concerned co-CRO who is nominated to run, etc. Lets all give folks the benefit of the doubt, and it isn't like the board has their fingers on the button of nuclear weapons. :-) Like Sanghee I am concerned that the board is less diverse than I would have hoped by now. I think it would be reasonable to adapt the board selection criteria to ensure at least some diversity on axes we want to see covered. I could imagine a couple of special rules like: - If by normal voting no female would be elected, and if there is a female running in the election the female with the most votes will replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the board. - If by normal voting no two board members are selected who are outside "north america + europe" and if there are such candidates running then replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the board with the the candidates outside of NA+EUR with the most votes. Well some word smithing and algorithm clarification would be needed, but you get the general idea, and a number of variations would be helpful in moving us towards more diverse representation. I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place by the board. But most of all, I wish to encourage us all to recognise that we are an organization of volunteers and that we have similar goals. While we fine tune things, I hope we try to avoid taking offense and ascribe the best intentions to others in our community. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Hostile Takeover" -- what do we mean by this?
Helmut, The word "hostile" is a bit unfortunate. One of the goals of charter membership early in the organization was to provide a mechanism to keep us aligned on roughly our original mission and community. I personally had a concern that we might get swamped by some other community and almost accidentally taken over. For instance one might have imagined if all the folks interested in OSM joined OSGeo they might have accidentally swamped "us" and we would potentially have lost the goals of the organization. Best regards, Frank On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hel...@web.de> wrote: > sorry, missed the subject > > > Gesendet: Montag, 28. August 2017 um 20:12 Uhr > Von: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" > An: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, s...@sarasafavi.com > Betreff: Kein Betreff > Sara Safavi: >>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the >>following is included (emphasis mine): >> >>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually vote >>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members >>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."* >> >>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly >>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use, >>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I >>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a >>nomination. > > one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth and > integrity of foundation based > upon the principles and bylaws. > >>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we >>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a >>re-wording? > > I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter > members as this related to them. > > Kind regards > Helmut > > OSGeo charter member > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Userid registration - Full Name and Surname ?
Strk, It was a direct transcription of the fields in LDAP. No harm in changing it I imagine. Best regards, Frank On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote: > It looks like being a common issue: > https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues/812 > > How about just dropping one of the fields ? > > --strk; > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:01:13PM +0200, Sandro Santilli wrote: >> I'm wondering why do we ask for "Full Name" and "Surname" >> in the user registration form. I find it confusing, and a >> quick look at the LDAP database shows it's not just me: >> about half the registered users put the "given name" in the >> "Full Name" field. >> >> Some users also have a registered "givenName" field, while >> others do not. >> >> So, which way is the correct way ? >> >> I could improve the form by giving instructions, but I need >> those instructions myself ... >> >> --strk; -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership consultations
. I apologise if you had sent this out for review earlier. I have not been following this debate closely as this type of membership noise pops up on a regular basis. However, when this proceeds to a vote of the OSGeo Charter membership, I need to register a comment. For consideration. Bruce From: Vasile Crăciunescu c...@osgeo.org Reply-To: Vasile Crăciunescu c...@osgeo.org Date: Thursday, 30 July 2015 23:52 To: Bruce Bannerman Subject: Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership consultations Dear Bruce, As an existing OSGeo Charter Member, you have been invited to participate in the 2015 OSGeo membership consultations. To participate, please click on the link below. Sincerely, Vasile () -- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to create mailing list
Bu, You can file a ticket requesting a new mailing list on the OSGeo Trac in the SAC component. http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo It is helpful to explain the purpose, and if it is being created on behalf of a local chapter to note that. I'm often the person who creates lists, so poke me if there is no action in a day or two. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Bu Kun bu...@osgeo.cn wrote: Hi All. I would like to create the mailing list for Chinese user. I have found the url: http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/create . However, when I try to create one, it always said Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists. I should apply for authentication password. What I should do then ? --- Bu Kun Senior Engineer Remote sensing center, Information center Northeast Institute of Geography and Agroecology, CAS -- Bu Kun Senior Engineer Remote sensing center, Information center Northeast Institute of Geography and Agroecology, CAS #4888 Shengbei Street, Changchun, Jilin, China Zip Code: 130102 Office Tel: (86) 0431-85542316 Email: bu...@live.cn , bu...@iga.ac.cn ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham archiving
Barry, I have updated the DNS entry for 2013.foss4g.org to point to our WebExtra VM, checked out the site there, and setup the apache config to serve it. Once the DNS propogates you should be able to find the site there. Not too surprisingly the search box doesn't work. Is there much other active content depending on special server side support? Once the DNS change propogates, i'd appreciate it if you could confirm you can get to everything correctly hopefully including the map gallery. Feel free to contact me outside the discuss list with regard to details. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: The size in general is not an issue. You're right that sticking that much in svn is usually a pain, but not if it's one time deal. This is a good question for the System Admin Committee to ponder though. I think most people would want a static clone of the site in some way to continue to exist, and we do have servers we can put that on. So under this plan you would put it in svn, and we would checkout the subfolder to a web server and serve up the static copy. That's great, because I think the ..s that SVN is printing out right now are nearly finished... I didn't realise there already was an SVN for the conference, or even that I had write access to it. Once SVN stops spitting dots at me you should see it here: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2013/website/ and apart from not displaying index.html files on directories I reckon it should be almost usable from that URL. Of course it will be happier when stuck on an apache box with its domain name thanks Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] vmap0.tiles.osgeo.org broken?
Ian, Hmm, interesting. I was under the vague belief that the vmap0 tiles are being generated by a variety of servers and that one of those was the webextra VM at OSU OSL which has been having problems. When I login I see I'm on sphere at telescience. Can you give me the specific request you issue to give that response. It may be that it is misconfigured for the requests you are making, but it is still handling normal tile requests ok. +cc Martin Spott who I think knows a bunch about this service. We could likely drop osgeo discuss off this thread. Best regards, Frank On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know who to ask about vmap0.tiles.osgeo.org/wms always returning loadOutputFormat(): General error message. OUTPUTFORMAT clause references driver GD/JPEG, but this driver isn't configured. Cheers Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a Trac instance? I believe there is a webcom component in the OSGeo Trac instance. eg. http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=newstatus=assignedstatus=reopenedcomponent=WebSiteorder=priority -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sample Contract for Open Source Software Services
Landon, As a consultant, I never actually proposed a contract. When it was up to me, I'd just write up a statement of work. Sometimes I had to sign contracts created by the clients of course. For the most part open source geospatial isn't different than any other business. The one item I was always careful about was making clear what software products were remaining under an open source license vs. becoming the property of the client. Best regards, Frank On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote: I hope to launch a start-up offering services based on some open source geospatial software in the next couple of months. I would like to know if anyone from the OSGeo community would be willing to share a sample contract for open source software services with me. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. Landon ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd like to start some closed discussions. If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure then please join us. We'll report back progress on the open WebCom mailing list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly documented and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving forwards. Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion. Ian Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by members of the System Administration committee. Everything except security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if someone has taken the time to write it up. Alex, Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund. Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which touch on SAC. I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with whether there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting committee issue. It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some updates to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a newer drupal. That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of closed discussions and use of some thing called basecamp. Ian - why are closed discussions valuable other than the need to be protective of a few passwords? Best regards, Frank I think to start you might want to relook at what's the role of Webcom is in relation to Marketing(Outreach) and Sys Admin committees. It got blurry a while back, and the major thing we hoped Webcom would handle - migration of main OSGeo site to a new look and feel on a newer server (so we can retire the old server) stalled after a few iterations of design mockups. Thanks, Alex System Administration Committee Chair Marketing/Outreach Committee Member PS: I'm not looking to join another committee so I'd rather take questions publicly and see proposals that involve system changes get sent from Webcom to SAC when necessary. Sorting out what committee does what seems like an inter-committee thing so probably should happen on OSGeo Discuss. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Tamas, I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W). Once we have a PSC, we need to discuss direction and then nail a plan down and agree to it. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, The RFC http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc looks pretty good, thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right direction to follow. I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions, there might be some common aspects, though. Best regards, Tamas 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
Paolo, As you know I am in support of establishing a PSC for the OSGeo4W project, and would be pleased to participate. I would encourage you to email osgeo4w-dev and lets get this under way. (unable to sleep at 3am in Notthingham) Best regards, Frank On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.itwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS. I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act. I'm available to help. All the best, and thanks. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlI8kA0ACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6nYACfVOGRkOEVUCQH0dCO8ku9a5l6 7cUAnRR7nGRLcHZ1BnOlY9YHgy5orWeG =tOOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] End the vote!
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Adrian and Jeff, Your points are very similar to those raised in April - June 2012 [1] when discussing the concept of OSGeo Advocate (previously referred to as OSGeo Ambassador). [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2012-May/thread.html There is a tension between people wishing an exclusive label or badge which easily identifies a level of expertise and community recognition, verses a desire to be inclusive of everyone who applies. Adrian / Cameron, I just wanted to stress that there is also a responsible governance role for charter members. They exist in order to be a representative body representing our community. They are responsible for selecting the board and more broadly to ensure that the organization isn't intentionally or accidentally subverted by some other interest group. Somewhat hypothetically imagine if all the students (of all types) at a university got nominated. Or if we had some money in the bank, and advocates of some charity had the clever idea of nominating 1000 members so they could redirect our funds into their mission. So some degree of limitations on charter membership election aren't just about maintaining some exclusivity for status purposes. They are to avoid the organization being derailed from it's mission to easily. I am personally in favor of allowing a fairly large number of charter members, but also of de-emphasizing the distinction between charter members and all the rest of our membership and community. Charter member is a *mechanism* to keep the organization reasonably representative but not otherwise (imho) supposed to be important. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo upcoming events
Margherita / Anne, Hmm, this is odd. After digging around a little I found that FOSS4G had the wrong month and was now in the past. It is now fixed and shows up properly. I see FOSS4G CEE is going on this week. I guess the events page doesn't show events that are already in progress which is a bit sad. The event in Ghent has recently passed. It may well be that there are no other events in our events queue. Let Anne or I know if there are more events that ought to be listed (via news_i...@osgeo.org). Best regards, Frank On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Anne Ghisla a.ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:38:10 +0200 Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! If I google OSGeo events, the first page I end up on is a blank page [1]. The wiki page of the Conference committee [2] is updated at 2012. I have found a conference archive [3] updated at 2006. My question is, is there a wiki page in which are listed all or most of the upcoming OSGeo related events? Hi Madi! the first link used to work, and is the most complete list of OSGeo related events. Also on http://www.osgeo.org/ there is a blank space where the upcoming events should be. Frank, or any sysadmin, can you check what happened to events page? Thanks [1] http://www.osgeo.org/events [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee [3] http://www.osgeo.org/conference/archives Anne -- http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Aghisla -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC liaison memberships
Adrian, According to http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OGC_membership we have open slots. It seems that Arnulf and Michael can authorize it. There are some fairly restrictive conditions on OGC individual memberships which is what this is. You should confirm you are going to fit. http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/join/level/individual It isn't clear that these memberships imply you exactly speak for OSGeo though you can certainly give your affiliation as OSGeo. It would be wonderful to use this mechanism to give you standing at OGC as I know you will make good use of it. Best regards, Frank On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, As I remember it, OSGeo has been granted a number of liaison memberships (six?) from the OGC. Are they all being used? If not, what would be the process to obtain one? In past years, I have been reluctant to officially represent OSGeo and so have paid for a membership on my own. Nonetheless, I have been pushing the OGC on openness, the consideration of free software, and issues arising from the 'OSGeo point of view' ever since I started participating at the OGC. I have also been acting unofficially as a bridge between the two organizations (with the good and bad that comes from that such as, in the last few days, being unable to announce the end of the 'GeoServices REST' debacle). Now I am considering making this work and my association between the two organizations more formal. Therefore, if you all are willing, and if a membership were available, I would like to take this on as a formal role and represent all of you at the OGC. It would mean I would show up to meetings and sign my authorship of whatever documents with the affiliation 'OSGeo'. In the future, I also would plan to lobby the OGC to grant OSGeo a formal vote in the proceedings of the technical committee. That will be hard to obtain since we will not be pitching in the mega-cash that the OGC needs to sustain their way of operating; however, it might be possible someday, especially if we start contributing effectively to their work. Sincerely, Adrian Custer __**_ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/**mailman/listinfo/discusshttp://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Gabriel Morin moringabr...@yahoo.frwrote: Hello sir I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help. But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis. Gabriel, The Projects and Incubating Projects list on the OSGeo web site is intended to list direct projects of OSGeo, not all open source or even open source geospatial projects. I'm not familiar with MDWeb, but OpenJump can be found at: http://www.openjump.org/ Drupal is not geospatial, and I assume you can find the project page if you need to. gvSIG is listed on the OSGeo page, but in the Incubating Projects list. GeoToolkit is a fork of the OSGeo GeoTools project. I think it is now an Apache project. WorldWind is I believe directly administered by NASA (not too sure), and I'm not certain about Osmosis which I assume is OSM related. There are many projects which I consider friends of OSGeo in the sense that they are often used in conjunction with OSGeo projects or by folks who are involved in OSGeo but that are not actually projects of OSGeo. I often recommend these, and they are discussed at conferences like FOSS4G. Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo. Why is that ? I hope my response helps clarify why that is. Best regards, Frank thank you. gabriel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free Developer Slots at FOSS4G events: [was RE: FW: [Board] OSGeo Board Priorities]
. * OSGeo should focus support on OSGeo communities and initiatives which support themselves. Hi all. Thanks for this. I welcome this change, that I think will make OSGeo much more effective in promoting free and open source geospatial software. On the other hand, I still have problems with annual FOSS4G, which has a cost that scares away many top developers. IMHO (sorry to insist, I raised this point earlier) the meeting should be free for developers (committers to OSGeo projects), and more expensive for businessman. The net cash flow should be from business to GFOSS promotion, not drawing from our precious developers. All the best. ___ Board mailing list bo...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board -- -- End of Forwarded Message ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Presentations on OSGeo?
Folks, Is anyone proposing to do a presentation about OSGeo? I'd like to do one talking fairly broadly about the organization and then focusing in on recent organizational developments. But I don't really want to do it on my own. Ideally I'd like one or two other folks heavily involved in OSGeo to co-present. Anyone already submitting to this effect? Care to partner? PS. Of course I'm only thinking about this now because I thought I was down to my last 30 minutes before the deadline, but I see they have extended it by roughly a week, so there is a bit of time to work out a plan. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://home.gdal.org/warmerda and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Service providers
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 05:04:08PM -0800, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Hmm, I'm also seeing this problem. I noticed some email about Martin working on a migration of www.osgeo.org on the weekend. I suspect the service provider directory was lost in translation. I'll investigate. Can anyone tell me how this search was set up, configured ? Is it using any custom tools outside the regular Drupal toolbox ? Martin, I don't know all the details. It was a bunch of custom PHP within Drupal and use of custom table(s) in mysql - I think in the same database instance used for the rest of the site. Was Drupal on osgeo1 changed recently? I had understood your work was all being done on www2. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Service providers
André, Hmm, I'm also seeing this problem. I noticed some email about Martin working on a migration of www.osgeo.org on the weekend. I suspect the service provider directory was lost in translation. I'll investigate. Best regards, Frank On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Andre Mano andre.s.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been unable to access the list of service providers from osgeo page. I tried the following: http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile with different computers, in different places, and the page is just blank! Can anyone confirm this? Thank you -- .. André Mano http://opussig.blogspot.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO wiki discussion list
Joel, A practice that Arnulf started and that was IMHO very worthwhile was summarizing board activities to the discuss list. I haven't followed up on that but agree that it would be very worthwhile. I shall endevour to do that. Best regards, Frank On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Schlagel, Joel D IWR joel.d.schla...@usace.army.mil wrote: I don't know if I am typical of other members of osge-discuss, but I read messages on the distribution list regularly, yet seldom visit the osgeo wiki. It might be worthwhile to send a message to osgeo-discuss when important items, like board meeting minutes are added to the wiki. -joel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [California] Open Geospatial Data Award
Landon, The criteria seems good, if a bit more detailed than is strictly necessary. I'd suggest not worrying about a point scoring system, and just leave it up to the judges to subjectively score nominees after some discussion. It would be nice if the award included a green OSGeo logo. Presumable we should clarify who the judges are, and open up nominations. I think it would be good to let the open geodata committee know about this effort but it is a chapter activity so here is the right place for detailed discussion. I did mention it to David Bitner (geodata chair) who happened to be in town last weekend for the Google Summer of Code meetings. Best regards, Frank On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.comwrote: At the last annual meeting of the OSGeo California Chapter, chapter members decided to move forward with the creation of the Open Geospatial Data Award. This award will be given to one (1) organization each year in California. The award will recognize the organization's efforts to promote open access to geospatial data. I thought this concept might appeal to other local chapters, so I wanted to post our chapter's discussion about the award selection criteria here. I'm proposing the nominees for the award be scored on the folowing criteria: 1) The data is released without: - Restrictions on its use. - Requirements for indemnification (duty to defend). - Restrictions on distribution. - Restrictions on modification. - Requirement for monetary compensation. 2) The data is easily accessible. 3) Data is high quality: - The data is regularly updated. - The data is complete. - The data is well documented (metadata). - The data is reasonably accurate and precise. Not every organization nominated will necessarily do perfectly in each of these categories. I imagine we will need to come up with some point scoring system for our chapter's award selection committee to use. I designed the preliminary award in Inkscape and I can make the SVG available. I didn't incorporate the OSGeo color scheme or logo, but could redesign the award if this wasn't objectionable. We could come up with a standard certificate that could be used by all of the local OSGeo chapters. I imagine we'll want to have the award framed before we deliver it to the selected organization. I think this is a great opportunity to recognize good behavior on the part of government agencies and other organizations that are promoting open access to quality geospatial data. I also think it is a great marketing opportunity for OSGeo and the local chapters. I'm toying with the idea of presonally donating some volunteer hours to the selected agency, to assist with mapping efforts of technical supporttraining for open source geospatial software. What do you guys think? Landon (AKA: The Sunburned Surveyor) PS - Let me know if this discussion should move to the OSGeo data mailing list. ___ California mailing list califor...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/california -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Got a simple question, but can't seem to find the stuff I'm looking for.
Bob, I assume you mean when they graduated from incubation? Or perhaps you mean when they entered? I am not aware of a unified list. But you could review news announcements, and incubation and board minutes to harvest the info painfully. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: All, ** ** Anyone know where I might find a chart/list that shows when a particular project was ratified by OSGeo, and added to the product list? ** ** I’m only looking for “year of” at this point. Would meeting minutes be the obvious place to start? ** ** Thanks ** ** Bobb ** ** ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer image001.gif___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .
Bob, Funky, it works for me. It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and information on it being retired. This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in chrome and firefox). Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Where is the “Home Page” link on this page supposed to go? I keep getting a login page . . .is this correct? ** ** http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder ** ** ** ** ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer image001.gif___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .
Thomas / Bob, Ah I misunderstood and didn't actually go further through. I would appear the community mapbuilder page is gone. Perhaps it would be best to point things at: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAP/Home i see it is an osgeo domain so I should be able to handle the redirect. I'll create a ticket and CC Cameron or some other MapBuilder folks to ensure the new target is appropriate. http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1015 Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, thomas bonfort thomas.bonf...@gmail.comwrote: I can confirm that something going wrong too. Frank, did you click on the homepage link, i.e. http://communitymapbuilder.osgeo.org/ ? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Must be on my end then, looking . . . ** ** ** ** Bobb ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* fwarmer...@gmail.com [mailto:fwarmer...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank Warmerdam *Sent:* Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:10 PM *To:* Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) *Cc:* osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org) *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . . ** ** Bob, Funky, it works for me. It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and information on it being retired. ** ** This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in chrome and firefox). ** ** Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Where is the “Home Page” link on this page supposed to go? I keep getting a login page . . .is this correct? http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ** ** -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer*** * ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer image001.gif___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Andrea Aime andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it wrote: However... maybe someone should push the OSGeo community to send private nominations more? Andrea, I don't have a strong position on public vs. private, but I will note we are receiving lots of private nominations, as is the case each year. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESRI getting more serious about open source?
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ned Horning n...@lightlink.com wrote: Hi - A colleague on the Society for Sonservation GIS list shared a link to this blog Esri and Open Source Software: More Please at http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2012/08/27/esri-and-open-source-software-more-please/ I'm not sure what to think about it but on the surface it seems like a good thing. Is OSGeo involved with this initiative in any way? If not is there any interest in having OSGeo play an active role in the opening of ESRI code? I'm curious what other folks think of this. Ned, My initial assumption is that the code released as open source would primarily be built on top of ArcGIS and that this is little more than a samples directory. However, rereading the announcement there is hope for more particularly given the involvement of the folks formally of GeoIQ. I am not aware of any interest on ESRI's side to be involved with OSGeo on this. I'm inclined to just let things develop, but if anyone with contacts with the folks at the DC dev center would like to chat with them, perhaps we will see more concrete opportunities. Something to keep an eye on at least. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination: Brian Hamlin
Folks, I would like to nominate Brian Hamlin (ie. darkblue in IRC) for OSGeo Charter Membership. Brian has been an active supporter of OSGeo for several years. His activities include substantial contributions to the OSGeo Live DVD, and appearing on behalf of OSGeo (ie. manning a booth) at a variety of events in the California area including Where some years. I'm personally keen on him being a charter member because he has progressive ideas on how to move the organization forward and quite a bit of energy to pursue them. I'd like to give him more leverage and confidence to pursue these ideas. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement tools at OSGEO?
Bob, News announcements should be sent to news_i...@osgeo.org as described at: http://www.osgeo.org/content/news/submit_news.html That goes to me, and I'll try and post it to the web site and announce list. For software releases I normally only put through major releases as opposed to point releases. Sometimes I lose track of the items, so feel free to prompt me after about 24 hours if you haven't got a confirmation from me that it is posted. Best regards, Frank On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: All, GeoMoose 2.6 is on the verge of being released. I recall having the announcement of (major) releases being added to the OSGEO news feed in the past and that I had to ask someone about this. Are there any other similar tools/processes from the OSGEO side? Thanks bobb ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] PROJCS vs LOCAL_CS
On 12-06-16 09:13 AM, Alexander Drozdov wrote: Hi all! I have png map file, .pwg World file and .prj file with projection in WKT format. I try to create GeoTIFF with next command: gdal_translate -of GTiff -a_srs O-50-103-D.prj O-50-103-D.png O-50-103-D.tif but, gdalinfo printf LOCAL_CS coordinate system instead PROJCS, so different applications like QLandkarteGT can't open result GeoTiff. Why coordinate system is LOCAL_CS, but not PROJCS? My example files in archive: http://htrd.su/~hatred/maps/O-50-103-D.tar.gz testepsg tool say that prj file is correct. Alexander, The .prj file looks ok. When I run your command with gdal trunk I get a TIFF file with the following gdalinfo report: Coordinate System is: PROJCS[unnamed, GEOGCS[Krassovsky, 1942, DATUM[unknown, SPHEROID[krass,6378245,298.3], TOWGS84[23.9,-141.3,-80.9,0,-0.37,-0.85,-0.12]], PRIMEM[Greenwich,0], UNIT[degree,0.0174532925199433]], PROJECTION[Transverse_Mercator], PARAMETER[latitude_of_origin,0], PARAMETER[central_meridian,117], PARAMETER[scale_factor,1], PARAMETER[false_easting,2050], PARAMETER[false_northing,0], UNIT[metre,1, AUTHORITY[EPSG,9001]]] GeoTransform = 20513343.29170791, 4.59598418645, -9.994925266010001e-13 6338767.084816154, 1.43747239781e-12, -4.58751230964 I'm not clear on why you are running into problems. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://home.gdal.org/warmerda and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Web site downtime
Folks, The OSGeo ProjectsVM is down while we upgrade the OS (an upgrade that has encountered some issues). While this is being resolved the hosted sites including gdal.org, mapserver.org, grass.org will be down. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/ProjectsVM Downtime could potentially be in the hours or even a day or two. I won't announce when things are back but you can always try. Note that Trac for bug reporting, and subversion are not down. Sorry for the inconvenience. And damn Debian major OS version in-place upgrades. :-) Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] The city of Kristiansand seeks Location-based Open Data solutions for information and services
Folks, I received this message which I thought might be of broader interest. If someone is interested in leaving an effort perhaps you could reply here to coordinate with anyone else who is interested. Dear Sir/Madam, I have found your company/organisation while looking for the most innovative solutions to participate in the Living Labs Global Award 2012, which we are organising in cooperation with 20 international cities in May 2012. Your products or services may present an interesting solution to one of the categories of the awards and I would like to invite you to submit a showcase before 17th February. Kristiansand (Norway), one of the partner cities of the 2012 edition, is seeking solutions to enhance the use of Geo-spatial and Location-based Open Data for information and city services, and to exploit new technologies to publish GIS data to city employees and the public through different channels, combining data sources to improve analysis, planning and participation in the city's services. Companies/Organisations participating in the Living Labs Global Awards present their solutions directly to a leading group of world cities and win an opportunity to enter a new market through a pilot with full support from the city. In addition, participants receive a professional and documented evaluation of their product or service by the cities and prestigious international visibility and recognition. In 2012, twenty global cities are participating in the award with the aim of helping over 100 million citizens in the Americas, Africa, Asia and Europe. How to submit: Entries can be submitted in about 10 minutes, for free through our website until 17th February 2012. International juries will evaluate the entries and provide a shortlist of the top 100 showcases on 5th March. Winners will be announced at the award ceremony on 2nd May 2012 at the Rio Summit on Service Innovation in Cities. We look forward to seeing your submission. Please don’t hesitate to contact me with any further questions, Miguel Carvalho About the Living Labs Global Award 2012: Living Labs Global, a non-profit association promoting innovative solutions in cities around the world, is organising the 2012 edition of the Living Labs Global Award in cooperation with the Cities of Barcelona, Birmingham, Caceres, Cape Town, Coventry, Derry~Londonderry, Eindhoven, Fukuoka, Glasgow, Guadalajara, Hamburg, Lagos, Lavasa, Kristiansand, Mexico City, Rio de Janeiro, San Francisco, Sant Cugat, Santiago de Chile and Terrassa, to choose the companies and organizations that have developed solutions that add high value to users in cities around the world. Living Labs Global T: +34 93 1855110 www.livinglabs-global.com Awards 2012: www.llga.org Twitter: @LivingLabsGeo Facebook: www.facebook.com/LLGA2012 Living Labs Global NEW ADDRESS: Rued Langgaardsvej 7, 5th 2300 Copenhagen s Denmark c/ Mallorca 211, 2.1. 08008 Barcelona, Spain DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and is only intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is directed. It may contain information that is privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not copy it or disclose its contents to any other person. -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Participation in OSGeo (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member nomination: Martin Landa)
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Razy Kased kas...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I learn more about each of the committees or other ways to participate? Razy, There is a list of committees in the second box on the wiki: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page * Board of Directors * Conference Committee * Education and Curriculum Committee * Finance Committee * Incubation Committee * Marketing Committee * Project Steering Committees * Public Geospatial Data Committee * System Administration Committee (SAC) * Website Committee - Current WebCom tasks Of these I know that the Education, Marketing, Public Geodata, SAC and Website committees are all looking for volunteers and in some cases no specific experience is needed. Of course, the various projects also need help in various ways, so if you are interested in, or using some of the software then look into getting involved there. Join the mailing lists, file bugs, fix bugs, write docs, write code, answer questions on the list, etc. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Participation in OSGeo (was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member nomination: Martin Landa)
Razy, I also meant to emphasize that the local chapters are also always looking for keen volunteers to give presentations, organize events and lead/support local initiatives of various sorts. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Local_Chapters Best regards, On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Razy Kased kas...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I learn more about each of the committees or other ways to participate? Razy, There is a list of committees in the second box on the wiki: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page * Board of Directors * Conference Committee * Education and Curriculum Committee * Finance Committee * Incubation Committee * Marketing Committee * Project Steering Committees * Public Geospatial Data Committee * System Administration Committee (SAC) * Website Committee - Current WebCom tasks Of these I know that the Education, Marketing, Public Geodata, SAC and Website committees are all looking for volunteers and in some cases no specific experience is needed. Of course, the various projects also need help in various ways, so if you are interested in, or using some of the software then look into getting involved there. Join the mailing lists, file bugs, fix bugs, write docs, write code, answer questions on the list, etc. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapnik (GPX) vs MapServer/GeoServer (OGC)
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: hi all just wanna a little discussion around OSM's server, called mapnik. 1. why dont we bring mapnik to OSGeo. Frans, It is really up to projects to come to OSGeo if they are interested in formally being OSGeo projects. Certainly I would love to see Mapnik as an OSGeo project. In any event, Mapnik developers (/me shouts out to Dane Springmeyer) have been very actively involved in FOSS4G events like the performance benchmarking efforts and code sprints, and already operate on the principles of FOSS4G. I am pleased to have the level of cooperation and camaraderie we already have with Mapnik whether it is formally an OSGeo project or not. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] USA: Speak Up For Geography
Folks, With regard to the following Speaking up for Geography Holly Glaser suggests: I love the idea of contacting representatives about the importance of geography education. I’m writing to you so all the representatives receive their mail before or on GIS Day. There’s one flaw in your method of contacting elected representative: letters sent now will be delivered at the end of December -too late for GIS Day. All paper letters/small packages sent to congress are held by the post office where they get inspected for explosives/anthrax and so on. I was told that this delays mail between 3-6 weeks. Best regards, On 11-10-29 01:39 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Folks, Those of us in America with an interest in promoting geography education in schools might like to take action on the Teaching Geography is Fundamental Act in the US congress. I received the following message at i...@osgeo.org: Join the public campaign Speak Up For Geography: The 10,000 Letter Challenge. As a leader in the geospatial industry, your support of geography education in K-12 schools is needed now more than ever. The goal of the 10,000 Letter Challenge is simple: to send 10,000 letters to Congress in support of the bipartisan Teaching Geography is Fundamental (TGIF) Act by November 18, 2011. This date marks the ending of Geography Awareness Week 2011 and the last day of the Congressional session before the Thanksgiving recess. It's easy to send letters to your Members of Congress at http://speakupforgeography.org. Show your support for geography education: Let Congress know that the Teaching Geography is Fundamental Act is important to you. Ask others to join the Challenge by blogging, podcasting, and tweeting about SpeakUpForGeography.org. Post the widget on your website. Spread the message that the time to act is now! -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/warmerda and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] USA: Speak Up For Geography
Folks, Those of us in America with an interest in promoting geography education in schools might like to take action on the Teaching Geography is Fundamental Act in the US congress. I received the following message at i...@osgeo.org: Join the public campaign Speak Up For Geography: The 10,000 Letter Challenge. As a leader in the geospatial industry, your support of geography education in K-12 schools is needed now more than ever. The goal of the 10,000 Letter Challenge is simple: to send 10,000 letters to Congress in support of the bipartisan Teaching Geography is Fundamental (TGIF) Act by November 18, 2011. This date marks the ending of Geography Awareness Week 2011 and the last day of the Congressional session before the Thanksgiving recess. It's easy to send letters to your Members of Congress at http://speakupforgeography.org. Show your support for geography education: Let Congress know that the Teaching Geography is Fundamental Act is important to you. Ask others to join the Challenge by blogging, podcasting, and tweeting about SpeakUpForGeography.org. Post the widget on your website. Spread the message that the time to act is now! Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/warmerda and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 5.0 released - the Open Source Geospatial DVD
Hansen, Steve Lime, Thierry Badard, Thomas Baschetti, Trevor Wekel, Valenty Gonzalez, and Yoichi Kayama. Sponsoring organisations: * LISAsoft provides sustaining resources and staff toward the management and packaging of software onto the Live DVD. http://www.lisasoft.com http://www.lisasoft.com/ * Information Center for the Environment at the University of California, Davis provides hardware resources and development support to the OSGeo Live project. http://ice.ucdavis.edu http://ice.ucdavis.edu/ * The DebianGIS and UbuntuGIS teams provide and quality-assure many of the core packages. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/warmerda and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 56, Issue 27
On 11-08-10 05:55 PM, Tom Fitzwater wrote: Unsubscribe tom, I have unsubscribed you from the OSGeo discuss list. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] format for raster data distribution, JP2?
John, I agree with Michael. JPEG2000 as a distribution format is going to be problematic for many users. TIFF+JPEG is pretty universal. I would add that YCbCr mode jpeg imagery in TIFF can be quite a bit better quality for size than RGB imagery. In some cases special writing options are needed to produce this and their can be some compatibility issues. I would love to reach a day when JPEG2000-in-TIFF was a good option and was supported effectively (if a wee bit slowly) by open SDK like OpenJPEG. I may well take this on as a personal task at some point though it would still take a long time to be widely supported. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geomajas Geometry Project
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Pieter De Graef pied...@gmail.com wrote: On one hand there is the Simple Feature Specification which is clearly an Object Oriented model with the advantage that it is well known but is also more difficult to implement the JavaScript wrapper around. On the other hand we could follow a service based model (more like SFS for SQL) which is easier to get up and running, easier to create a JavaScript wrapper for and easier to translate into web services. As it's difficult for us to chose and as it's a pretty crucial decision for the future of the Geomajas project, I as wondering how you guys feel about this. Pieter, I'm afraid I don't quite grasp what you mean by a service based model. SFS for SQL is presumably Simple Features for SQL, is that right? If so, how is that a different data model than simple features? Without my understanding the distinction you are trying to make it is hard to give helpful advice. But I will say that I feel strongly that in this day and age any geometry model you use in the geospatial field should have a clean mapping onto OGC Simple Features. You might need to extend it or even put off implementing some types but it would be unwise to take a significantly different approach. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] mailing lists
On 11-05-26 04:31 PM, Tim Schaub wrote: OpenLayers is in a bit of a mess with regard to mailing lists. We have several @openlayers.org addresses that non-members should be able to write to. These addresses could be consolidated (to one address in my opinion), but they include things like places to send in CLA, ask for trac/subversion access, inquire about sponsorship, etc. Our PSC list in particular has become completely unusable. For historical reasons, only Chris Schmidt and Erik Uzureau had admin access to our PSC list. The list has been moved to OSGeo infrastructure, but there is still an @openlayers.org alias set up. This list currently has around 12,000 messages awaiting moderation (according to Chris) and the list admin page returns a 500 when logging in. I'd like to move to a mailing list solution with better spam control. The PSC has expressed approval for using hosted elsewhere like Google Groups. I'm sure others have opinions about alternatives, so I thought I'd ask here first. It's important in our case to have an archived list that non-members can post to with good spam control. I've had moderate success using Google Groups for this purpose. Tim, I have normally configured mailman lists to immediately reject any email messages from someone who is not subscribed and I have found this filtered out 99.9% of spam. If you need admin assistance clearing the moderation queue for a list let me know. I will confess this approach isn't very suitable for mailing addresses that are intended to be publically mailable without subscribing. If you need such a thing for special purposes you might want to handle it elsewhere. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Does osgeo provide infrastructure for non-incubating projects?
On 11-04-05 04:59 AM, Fernando González wrote: The first step is to create a work group to learn GGL2 technologies so we need a mailing list and a public SCM (we work with a private one currently). Is it possible to get such infrastructure from osgeo? Some people in GearScape mailing list suggested to ask here for a trac instance and even to apply for incubation. I like the incubation idea but I guess we're not so big yet. Would it be possible at least to start by being hosted? I think GGL2 is somewhat innovative and it could be interesting for osgeo to include such a project if it ever succeeds. Fernando, Yes, OSGeo does sometimes provide mailing list, Trac and SVN services for non-OSGeo (ie. non-incubating) projects. For mailing lists the barrier is quite low. For Trac/SVN you need someone on the system administration committee who is willing and able to do the work. That proponent then makes a motion on the SAC mailing list, and once passed provides notice to the board in case there are concerns. Generally speaking the hard part of the process is finding someone willing and able to do the work. The rest just slightly delays things. We (on SAC) are generally more supportive of projects that we think have a prospect of going through incubation at some point or that are closely related to existing OSGeo projects. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] GDAL/OGR 1.7.3 Released
Folks, The GDAL/OGR team is pleased to announce that GDAL/OGR 1.7.3 has been released. This is a bug fix release on the GDAL/OGR 1.7 stable branch, and it contains over 50 bug fixes. It does not include the substantial new features planned for GDAL/OGR 1.8.0 in the coming weeks. Details are available at: http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/Release/1.7.3-News The source code, and regression test suite are available at: http://download.osgeo.org/gdal/gdal173.zip http://download.osgeo.org/gdal/gdal-1.7.3.tar.gz http://download.osgeo.org/gdal/gdalautotest-1.7.3.tar.gz The OSGeo4W gdal17 package has also been updated to match this 1.7.3 release for those working on windows. http://osgeo4w.osgeo.org/ Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can charter members be nominated any time?
Landon Blake wrote: Can charter members be nominated any time? Or do they need to be nominated at a special time of year? Landon, Charter members can only be nominated during the charter member election process which occurs once a year. That is right now of course. The process is detailed at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Membership_Process Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can charter members be nominated any time?
Alexandre Leroux wrote: Maybe it's also time to update the http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Charter_Members page? ;-) Alex, The page clearly indicates at the top that it is a historical document and references the official list of charter members at: http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can charter members be nominated any time?
Alexandre Leroux wrote: *but*, what is clearly confusing (at least to me ;-) is the OSGeo FAQ page mentioning Beyond selecting the initial voting membership of 45 members, details of the membership process have not been determined., while this isn't true anymore: it has been determined. Right? http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_FAQ A simple update of the FAQ would remove this confusion. Excellent point - I will address that. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Commercial support (Company profile improvement options)
Bob Basques wrote: All, I know this has to be created and managed somehow, but here are some ideas on this: * Could there be some way of collecting business information related to not only OpenSource software but also a means for companies to describe themselves in their own words, even as it pertains to non-open products, as these are often a concern when bidding on projects. * A simple one pager type of thing, listing software (open and proprietary, possibly with the Open source stuff highlighted and linked) and a general company resume, maybe even including a link section for past projects. * Inclusion of the prospective company logo on the profile page. * A list of company partners. * It would be real nice as a company owner for example, to be able to link directly to a OSGEO support registry page. I think a system like this would keep things updated regularly. I keep forgetting the entry is even in there for my interests because I don't touch it enough. Bob, I really think those who register as service providers should just make an effort to provide the above details as they see fit on a landing page on their own web site. It feels like you are trying to overcomplicate what is actually kept track of in the registry. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010
Michael P. Gerlek wrote: Ah, sorry, I scanned the first couple too quickly then jumped to the end too fast. But, still, there's little or nothing there from too many of the candidates. By this metric, so far Daniel and Paolo get my votes... Michael, I certainly think this would be a great opportunity for folks to also suggest some issues of interest to them. Things that they would like a reaction to from potential board members. I did struggle a bit with what to put in my statement. As an incumbent it was not obvious to me that I have particular new issues to spearhead in the coming years, though obviously I hope to continue with many existing initiatives. I am pleased to see a strong slate of candidates. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2010
Adrian Custer wrote: On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 11:18 -0400, Frank Warmerdam wrote: ...snip...The board has, by motion, chosen to interpret fail to participate ...in three consecutive meetings as failure to participate in the charter/board election process for three years running. Hopefully you distinguish participation from voting since some choose not to vote out of principle (although perhaps this is not an issue for the charter members who might all have bought in to the vote based approach of decision making used by OSGeo). Adrian, Only voting is going to be noted as participation. If you, on principle, do not wish to cast a vote for a particular candidate then you should submit a ballot listing no candidates but noting you choose to abstain. The Secretary (Tyler) is responsible for keeping track of participation in cooperation with the election CRO. Great. So has Tyler done so? I will leave that to Tyler to respond to. Where do things stand? Does Paul's list need revision as the list of potential candidates? If you don't have attendance or minutes, how can anyone possibly know? I believe this will be the 3rd year of voting since we actualized the concept of participation. So someone who fails to vote this year as well as the previous two years would be dropped from the charter member ranks. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2010
Adrian Custer wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Paul Ramsey pram...@opengeo.org wrote: The complete list of charter members is available by from * http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members Where can one find the official attendance records and proxy assignments of these members for the last three official meetings of the members ? Were minutes kept for those meetings? Adrian, The meeting of members is the AGM and we do not keep track of who attends, nor are they in any way limited to charter members. We do keep track of who actually votes in board and charter member elections and we are supposed to deactivate members who haven't voted in either for something like three years. I'm not clear why you are asking though as the call was for board elections. Perhaps you meant to ask about board meetings? Minutes and attendance information for board meetings can be found in the Meetings list off the Board page at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Elections 2010
Adrian Custer wrote: The call was for nominations for board elections, nominations which must come from the list of charter members. Since the list given by Paul contained the name of one person I know to have moved on to other activities, I wondered what provisions existed to ease inactive members out of the charter member inner circle. As you state, I discovered a clear provision to that effect: Section 7.7 Automatic Termination. Members shall have their membership status automatically terminated and their names removed by the Secretary of the corporation from all membership records of the corporation if they fail to participate, either in person or by proxy, in three (3) consecutive meetings of the members of the corporation, held electronically or otherwise. which says nothing about voting but only about participation --- fail to participate. So it seems that (1) participation of charter members in membership meetings should be recorded and (2) the secretary might consider a purge of the list of charter members. That is unless these by-laws are merely considered pro-forma and the organization really run as it seems best to the board. Adrian, Interesting. I hadn't read over the bylaws in some time. They were stock ones prepared by a lawyer at the very launch of the foundation. The board has, by motion, chosen to interpret fail to participate ...in three consecutive meetings as failure to participate in the charter/board election process for three years running. The Secretary (Tyler) is responsible for keeping track of participation in cooperation with the election CRO. Note that charter membership is not withdrawn because someone moves on to other endeavors. Only if they fail to participate over an extended period of time, or if they choose to terminate their membership. It is my hope that at some point we will revise the Bylaws to more accurately reflect the mechanism of operation of the foundation; however, I have not followed up on this. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo list of programmers?
Markus Neteler wrote: Perhaps we need something similar to Service Provider Directory at http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile which is better supporting the many individuals in our communities in the style of rent an OSGeo programmer? ... Opinions? Markus, I think the service provider directory is the correct vehicle for this purpose, and that instead of making something distinct we ought to just promote amoung the rent an OSGeo programmer crowd more. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Projects AdHoc VM
Folks, As discussed previously on the SAC (System Administration Committee) mailing list, I have had a new virtual machine created designated the adhoc VM, for use by OSGeo projects, and committees for somewhat experimental and adhoc efforts. Some further information on it is available at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/AdhocVM The new VM is in place and operating now. Anyone needing access who doesn't already have it can contact me. Or if there are any questions about it. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] server down?
Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 22/07/2010 15:58, Mike Toews ha scritto: See: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/osgeo4w-dev/2010-July/001001.html Thanks Mike. I knew this, but the questions are: - any idea about when the service will be back? Not being able to distribute update packages is a serious issues for many - (sorry if I'm rude, but) are we sure we can't do better to manage a vital infrastructure? More than 10 days on a backup server does not sound very good to me; weren't the blades new? Any opinion? All the best. Paolo, John has been working for several days now trying to get an OS installed on the old download blade and booting again. He has encountered odd issues with the blade manager that I don't really understand. So though we had anticipated having the old blade back operational sooner that has not occurred. We certainly *could* do better in getting normal operation restored but I have attempted to balance the criticality against the effort level. In particular, I rushed to get the download backup working so end users would have access to software, but I have taken the position that being able to update it conveniently can be delayed for a while rather than replicate a bunch of setup work in two places. I have been uploading packages to the download server on an adhoc basis as needed, but I'm afraid to run the OSGeo4W regen software as it is possible I might break things badly. There is room for additional volunteers on the System Administration Committee for folks willing to make an ongoing commitment and provide phone contact information for day or night emergencies. If you have skills and commitment, please join the SAC mailing list and let us know. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: IS EVERYONE HERE FAST ASLEEP? was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OKF / OSGeo response to the consultation on opening Ordnance Survey data
Schuyler Erle wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 16:26 +0100, Jo Walsh wrote: dear a...@osgeo, In sending this mail I'm following the protocol for letters of support coming from OSGeo: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Protocol_for_requesting_letter_of_support As you may have heard, there's a public consultation running in the UK on options for open licensing national mapping data maintained by Ordnance Survey. Is everyone on this mailing list dead? Or asleep? How is it that no one has responded to this inquiry yet? Have we not, at least some of us, been agitating for the proposed outcome for years? Does this issue not, at least in principle, affect us all? Have you all forgotten that your software is awesome, but it's useless -- without data? I want to go on record as being 100% in favor of OSGeo providing a letter of support for this response to the OSGB consultation. The principle of Open Public Data is completely in harmony with the ideals and objectives of the OSGeo Foundation. This is a chance for us to see a change for the better in Ordnance Survey policy, a change that will serve as a signal example to other NMAs around the world. *Please* simply respond to the previous email with at least a +1 or a single word of support, if you'd like to see the OSGeo Board respond to this request in the affirmative. *Please*, for the love of God, don't let us as a community deserve to be ashamed of ourselves for our own ungenerous apathy. According to the Board's protocol for such things, you only have a few hours, so pipe up now, while you have the chance. Schuyler, I've reviewed the protocol for a letter of support, and I don't see any requirement for actual comment or +1's on the discuss list. Showing support is most important if anyone has spoken against a proposal or if it is likely the board will be inclined to do nothing lacking community support. In this case I think Jo's position paper is not controversial and the consultation with the community via discuss is being taken as pro-forma. I will state, for the record, that I strongly support the proposed submission and will support it at the board level. I forsee no problems with the board as a whole. The response is completely in keeping with OSGeo's position on the importance of there being a body of quality free geodata. The most obvious and critical source of such data is national mapping agencies which are already mandated to prepare and maintain base mapping layers. All they need to do is fine tune their licensing and financing models to unleash lots of innovation. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to get through to mailman-admin if mail...@lists.osgeo.org doesn't work
Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. wrote: Hi list, I try to get through to the admin of the OSGeo listserver, but mail...@lists.osgeo.org doesn't work. Who is the admin and how to contact her/him? Marco, I am one of the admins for mailman. I'll look into forwarding of the mail...@lists.osgeo.org mailing address. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Copyright ownership
Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) wrote: Cleaning up an older thread... From what I gather from the lists there seems to be no broad opinion in favor of making projects move their copyright under the hood of OSGeo. With the recent discussion of potential export restriction enforcement by incorporated organizations incorporated in USA the the need for a more global organization seems to be higher. I am frankly at a loss at where such an organization would be incorporated and what it could look like but if it existed I would very much like to support it. If anyone has a great idea what a truly global OSGeo should look like please speak up. We should spend some thought on copyright every time we admit and evaluate projects in incubation. My personal experience shows that having the copyright of Open Source projects completely under the hood of a community owned organization is a good thing. Everything else is messy. The messy bit only shows when things go wrong so lets keep fingers crossed and as long as nothing happens we'll all be fine. Arnulf, I'm not sure I see the connection between the who holds copyright issue, and the US export controls issue. To me, centralized copyright is primarily helpful when relicensing, or ensuring we have the right to pursue legal action against someone using one of our projects in a fashion that is contrary to the license. I haven't yet come to any conclusions what to do about the US export control problem. One thing that was expressed in the past in a discussion of this problem (perhaps on foundations list) is that many US export controls are a reflection of international convenants on the export of weapons and possibly weapons related technologies that have also been signed by most other major nations. As such, the US just seems to have more organized enforcement, and we might at some point expect some similar enforcement in other nations. I'm not sure exactly how true this is - I suspect there is a lot of leeway in how things are classified, and enforced. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Copyright ownership
Ravi wrote: While discussing this with Free Software Foundation of India, this topic came up, and I could not explain them the position of software under incubation by OSGeo. May I have a pointer or thread where the status of software under incubation is dealt, indicating, 1. Copy-Left 2. Type of licensing, GNU-GPL, BSD etc Ravi, I wasn't able to find a specific incubation document that addresses, it, but it is required that projects release their code under an open source license - in particular one approved (or clearly essentially identical to) by OSI (http://www.opensource.org). That means that GPL, LGPL, BSD, and quite a number of other open source licenses are considered acceptable. We also do a code provenance review to try and ensure that the existing code base of the project is properly contributed. This is described at: http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/codereview.html Current policy is that projects may choose to leave copyright with the original contributors, some outside body or OSGeo. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2010 Summer of Code
Landon Blake wrote: Do we have some one that is going to take the lead on SOC for OSGeo this year? I've been quite busy with the Journal this year, but I would like to assist the lead as I have in years past. Landon, We are fortunate that Wolf Bergenheim will again be acting as OSGeo administrative lead for SoC. I'm sure he would be please for any assistance. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?
Daniel Ames wrote: I teach ArcGIS 9.3 every semester, so I'll happily provide that perspective (as well as the MapWindow desktop perspective). By the way Tyler gave an awesome OSGeo talk at AGU in San Francisco last week and handled the how does this stack up to ESRI question brilliantly. I believe the answer was, We see ESRI as a major success story for OSGeo since they've adopted GDAL and OGR. Couldn't have been addressed more perfectly. Folks, To be clear, I am unaware of any adoption of OGR by ESRI. They do make extensive use of GDAL for raster translation and raster data access. While this is a good point to mention, and helps point out that things aren't as simple as us and them, since even them is often one of us in some respects, I'd like us to be able to give a deeper answer. Many workloads that are currently done with ArcGIS could also be done with FOSS tools (most web mapping, much desktop work, and some deep analysis). I'd like to get white papers, and presentations addressing some of these easily transferrable workloads. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An interesting article about software licensing in the non-open source geospatial world
Schlagel, Joel D. IWR wrote: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10640248/1/tech-rights-give-companies-upper-h and.html Joel, A lot of this article seems to be a contract dispute rather than a software licensing dispute. An interesting point is that if Netezza had secured the software from Intelligent Integration Systems under an open source license, they would have been able to port it to their new architecture on their own. Sometimes I hear folks complain about vague risks of using FOSS. What is amazing is how billion dollar organizations will put themselves in great strategic jeopardy through dependencies on other organizations with only unclear and uncertain contracts and some hope for goodwill to protect themselves. Building on software distributed under well understood and relatively unrestrictive open source licenses can help a great deal. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Copyright ownership
Arnulf Christl wrote: What do folks think about software Copyright ownership? OSGeo could suggest that project steering committees move the Copyright of their software under the hood of OSGeo as GeoTools and others already did. In some cases the respective project steering committees might not be able to do such a thing because they do not own it in the first place. Is that a good situation? Arnulf, While I would prefer copyright in OSGeo projects to reside with OSGeo for simplicity and uniform management, I am concerned that the paperwork to do this properly would be a barrier to participation. I am also concerned that some developers would be concerned about OSGeo having the right to relicense their software - for instance, possibly moving code from LGPL/GPL to more permissive open source license - contrary to their wishes when they contributed the code. I am also doubtful of our ability to convincingly get all the code of some projects assigned to OSGeo. An incomplete job does not seem much better than not having bothered at all. So, I'm on the side of business as usual which is that it is up to the project to decide how they want to handle this as long as things are handled responsibly and the results are under an open source license. I would note that despite some cloudiness in the MySQL world, it remains clear that the code remains available to use under the open source license it was originally published under (GPL I think?). I think that is the key guarantee. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WCS/WMS accuracy tests?
Steven M. Ottens wrote: Mapserver doesn’t offset the data unless it is physically impossible (non-native, non-multiple resolutions, extents which don’t snap to source data) but produces a multi-band geotiff where the source data is single band. Steven, Thanks for the excellent post. I'd be interested in following up on the singleband / multiband issue with MapServer WCS when you have time. I vaguely recall there being an issue with this at one point but I thought it was solved quite a while ago. So if it persists in 5.6.0 I'd love a chance to fix it. Andrea Aime wrote: Steven M. Ottens wrote: Hi all, I've finished my tests. The conclusion: Geoserver has a bug which offsets all the results by half a pixel, this is a known issue with the definition of the location of a pixel. Added to this there’s the no-data border which appears with non-native, non-multiple requests. I presume that will be gone once the pixel issue is resolved. Ah hem, are you sure it's correct to call it a bug? My impression is that we are respecting the OGC specs to the letter and that, as it often happens, the real world is actually working differently, but I need to double check with Simone that dealt with this issue more in detail Andrea / Simone, I have set myself to watch GEOS-3702. I'd like to be sure we all reach the same understanding of the specification. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WCS/WMS accuracy tests?
Steven M. Ottens wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Steven M. Ottens wrote: Mapserver doesn’t offset the data unless it is physically impossible (non-native, non-multiple resolutions, extents which don’t snap to source data) but produces a multi-band geotiff where the source data is single band. Steven, Thanks for the excellent post. I'd be interested in following up on the singleband / multiband issue with MapServer WCS when you have time. I vaguely recall there being an issue with this at one point but I thought it was solved quite a while ago. So if it persists in 5.6.0 I'd love a chance to fix it. I'm happy to help, the map file and source data can be found here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175548/data.zip and the server itself is accessible through http://research.geodan.nl/cgi-bin/mapserver56/mapserv.exe?map=maps/corine.map; If you need anything else let me know. Steven, I believe you would want to change this: OUTPUTFORMAT NAME GTiff DRIVER GDAL/GTiff MIMETYPE image/tiff IMAGEMODE RGB EXTENSION tif END to: OUTPUTFORMAT NAME GTiff DRIVER GDAL/GTiff MIMETYPE image/tiff IMAGEMODE BYTE EXTENSION tif END IMAGEMODE RGB essentially tells MapServer to produce a normal 24bit RGB image result using the normal painting mechanisms. Using IMAGEMODE BYTE tells mapserver to produce a BYTE raster result and incidentally will match the number of bands to the source image. BYTE (and INT16 and FLOAT) are often more appropriate for WCS when you want to preserve original pixel values exactly rather than visually. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] role of foundation with regard to licensing
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: A few questions about copyright have come across my desk or face-to-face at events this year. Frank, for the sake of others on the list, could you give us an overview of what does it mean to be an OSGeo project if OSGeo itself does not hold the copyright? Tyler, I think Chris addressed this quite well. I would add the goal of open source licenses are mostly to remove barriers to utilization based on proprietary rights and control. Once those have been waived by putting something under an open source license it is *relatively* unimportant who holds the copyright rights except that the copyright holder can choose to also offer the code under alternative licenses. Projects that don't assign copyright generally cannot be relicensed due to the dispersion of the copyright holders, though individual contributors might be able to make use of fragments of their contributions in other contexts under other licenses. I think the question was geared toward whether or not OSGeo could guarantee future appropriate licensing of a product that it has arms-length influence over - or would a non-complying project then be rejected somehow? Chris addressed this as well. Basically we would be prepared to support a fork that remained open source if a project attempted to go closed. I don't really see this as a serious concern in practice, but even in theory there is no taking something away once it was open sourced. Just trying to remember some of the other questions I've heard. Are any of the above realistic concerns? I don't see any reason to be very concerned about OSGeo having control, or any need to guarantee things will stay open. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] role of foundation with regard to licensing
Tim Schaub wrote: Sounds like the process goes like this (if OSGeo holds copyright): 1) PSC votes on license 2) PSC chair advises OSGeo board 3) OSGeo board decides on license Tim, Actually the steps would be: 1) PSC votes on license 2) PSC chair declares motion passed, and directs the license update on behalf of OSGeo. You could notify the board as a courtesy but it isn't required. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry
Miles Fidelman wrote: Tyler Mitchell wrote: Perhaps we can turn the thread to discussing what are the real or perceived barriers people, in general, find to getting involved with OSGeo. I'm sure that any barriers women would have might also affect others, so it might be useful to broaden the discussion so more participate. 1 What barriers are there to joining OSGeo and its projects? Getting paid tends to be a big one. Seriously. Most of the successful open source projects I'm familiar with involved salaries or other work-related support. - University researchers working on grants (Apache) - Students working on thesis material (Linux) - IT staff developing software as part of their work, then open sourcing the software as a way to reduce ongoing support costs (Sympa) - Corporate developers open sourcing code to expand a user base (Erlang) - Government contractors working working on an SBIR contract (one of our current projects) - etc. Labors of love are fun, but ultimately most people have to pay the bills. I guess that leads to a central question: What are the day jobs of the core developers associated with OSGeo projects, to what extent are those developers paid to work on the projects, and what are the business reasons of their employers for doing so? Miles, Certainly all of the above tend to apply to many people contributing to OSGeo projects. Certainly the bulk of my work on GDAL, and MapServer is client funded. I know that most of the contributors to GDAL and MapServer have at least some of their time funded. Likewise many of the other projects though my knowledge gets thinner on some of them. I think one challenge is to get people who have funded time to work on specific features into broader involvement with the projects and OSGeo in general. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapnik in windows with gdal with ecw support
Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses wrote: Hello everybody! May be someone can help me (or show me the way) I'm looking for a windows version of Mapnik compiled with gdal compiled with ecw support, or at least the gdal.input plug in compiled with it. Well at least that is what I think I need, 'cause probably I misunderstood something... ;) Thanks in advance, Pedro, There is some information on building with ECW support at: http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/ECW Prebuilt binaries of GDAL 1.5 and 1.6 with ECW support are available as part of OSGeo4W and there are corresponding ECW plugins. http://osgeo4w.osgeo.org/ http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-gdal-ecw http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/release/gdal/gdal-ecw/gdal-ecw-1.5.2-2.tar.bz2 http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-gdal16-ecw http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/release/gdal/gdal16-ecw/gdal-ecw-1.6.0-2.tar.bz2 Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WMS Performance Shootout at FOSS4G 2009
Bob Basques wrote: All, Is there a list of the tests administered? Bob, There will be. I would be interested in the rendering speed of differently sized images and where the sweet spot is for a particular engine in size vs rendering speed. I do not believe we are analysing large vs. small images. We have produced a randomly generated request sequence with a mix of sizes intended to represent a common workload. I did find the description of source data. Also any thing related to reprojection of rasters on the fly? No, not this year. Are the Live Benchmarks links going to be the same for the duration of the competition? I'm not sure what links you mean, but the wiki page will continue to exist and be updated. I would note we are trying to keep the final results quiet so there will be a little drama at the presentation. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Jacolin Yves wrote: Hello Cédric, I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) : Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit : The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from management, end user, marketing etc... Folks, I would instead express this as OSGeo needs end users (including their managers), and those interested in it's marketting (which I would prefer to call promotion) to get more actively involved and contribute. What we developers don't necessarily want is a bunch of others telling us what to do. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Rafal Wawer wrote: Hi Frank, For your end-users I see a lot of opportunities in developing countries, Rafal, So do I, particularly because I think in those countries people will see that some elbow grease and investment in their own knowledge can give them what they need for a low cost, and providing future opportunities. where the cost of software licenses is far to high for the budgets thay have. Naturally, some of the users use cracks, but it won't be that easy enymore, especially in the domain of web services. OSGeo could support education in FOSS4G in those countries - with active marketing, sending information letters to the bodies responsible for mapping and environment. I am a big believer in folks pulling up their own socks in this regard. I am dubious about OSGeo trying to seed into countries without local advocates, but there are things we can do to help support locals who want promotional and training materials, and some introduction into international circles. Hopefully we can also provide an aura of deserved respectability for our projects that will make it easier for decision makers to take them seriously. OSGeo could also participate in dvelopment projects - like those small grants of GSDI, providing FOSS solutions, not mentioning European FP7 projects addressing Africa. For know the quite steep learning curve to get into FOSS4G is very often keeping the potential users away. There are things we can do, but to a large extent the benefits will go to those users who realize some investment in learning is worthwhile. Is OSGeo targeting those users now? If you look onto the map of registered members: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member, well, not everyone added himself to the map, but enyway, Africa, Asia and South America look quite empty (-; There are things we are doing now, including holding FOSS4G in South Africa last year, and making an effort to involve geographically diverse folks in the charter membership and board. We have also been supportive (though perhaps we could be more so) of local chapters where they are established by local advocates. But, clearly we still have had only modest success getting folks in the developing world actively involved in the global OSGeo activities. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote: I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt the number of paid staff and budget. We can make good use with 100k more for hardware, services and to have more reserves for the conferences. But I believe that we should not let the budget grow beyond ~half a million - not even in five years. If there is money to make then it should be made by businesses. They in turn are welcome to sponsor OSGeo. By supporting FOSS business development OSGeo automagically supports itself. Arnulf, I also am not keen on a big budget organization, though I wouldn't want to put any specific limit on it. Areas I *would* like to see grow budget wise is project sponsorship as a mechanism for user organizations to share in supporting project development. Of course, that will depend to a large part on the success of projects in soliciting funds and putting them to effective use. One thing I am leery about, but that has been suggested by some, is OSGeo trying to provide professional services as a way of raising money. I think this is best left to the FOSS business community. I feel this way for two reasons. (1) OSGeo does not really have the managerial strength to effectively deliver customer oriented projects. (2) I don't want to compete against our partners in the business community who are already providing so much of the important push for free geospatial software development and deployment. I would like to see growing sponsorship funds to help support educational, promotional and community oriented efforts by OSGeo. Quite a bit of this can be effectively done at the local level by local chapters. Local Chapters should grow by themselves, in most cases an small initial stub created from within OSGeo Global is enough to get going. And as Howard said - the life of OSGeo is within the local chapters. I think local chapters are important, but I'm not sure I'd go as far as you on this. I think global project, and osgeo special interest group mailing lists can also be where a good deal of the life of OSGeo is. My next 5 years list might look something like: - A broad set of quality software projects under the OSGeo banner that feel they are getting good value from OSGeo in terms of promotion, branding and systems support. Furthermore that the developer and user communities feel they have a fair (equal opportunity) environment to contribute and effect their projects. - Educational support resources sufficient to be deployed directly for post-secondary educational organizations wanting to roll out a GIS/geospatial program based on free software *and* a significant number of organizations who have done so and are publically involved in supporting further improvements to the materials. - Lots of local chapters pursuing a diversity of local initiatives with lots of inter chapter, chapter-project, and chapter-osgeo linkages. Hopefully local chapters will be hot-beds of innovative activities even when OSGeo is somewhat slow moving. - OSGeo facilitated delivery of vetted, integrated software stacks ready to use for user organizations, and considered enterprise ready. Think of OSGeo4W, Debian GIS and the recent FOSS4G LiveDVD as examples of forms this might take. - A continued strong FOSS4G, acknowledged as the primary global meeting of the tribes, though it might not be significantly larger than it is now. - Financial income coming from a wide diversity of sponsors, most of which are end-user organizations. Also some money coming in the form of grants in support of specific activities (such as work on educational products or standards participation). - The organization has sustained income sufficient to support an ED, project systems requirements, with enough money left over to pursue a variety of initiatives. I think sufficient funding would be in the $25 to $40 area. - OSGeo pursuing a variety of modest cost, non-permanent initiatives. Things like holding special meetings with travel support for desktop integration or standards development and implementation sprints. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin
Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi all. Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392 I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. For my experience, I do not think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server administration is a service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures. Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource for open source software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who are doing it!). In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in charge of software upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc. Paolo, Within some limits, I feel that system administration can be well suited to volunteers. I don't feel OSGeo can afford a good system administrator at market rates, even part time. If we were paying market rates I think it would take some serious cost benefit analysis to determine if the Trac upgrade would be a worthwhile investment of money. Nevertheless, I do keep an eye out for possible system administration services we could contract for at below international market rates to do some tasks that are now generally left undone, even if we couldn't get the fire and forget caliber of admin it would be nice to have. I'd add that at this time SAC's budget is rather modest, and focused on paying our Peer1 hosting costs, and the planned acquisition of some modest additional hardware. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: A reminder on terminology
René A. Enguehard wrote: If you want to be even more granular, you can say closed source software as well. There does exist software which has a closed source but is not directly proprietary. For instance, parts of the QNX kernel code are not shown with the standard source code and to be able to view them you must sign some form of an agreement. Even then, you cannot modify the code or redistribute, but you are free to submit improvements and patches which will then be reviewed and (possibly) integrated. I wouldn't call that proprietary software by any stretch since you *can* see the source code and patch bugs within the kernel and the rest of the code base is entirely open source. Perhaps it's a bit pedantic, but if we're going for accuracy we might not want to lump everything together with proprietary software either. René, I would certainly call that proprietary! To my mind, proprietary projects and source are those that I do not have the direct freedom to view, modify and redistribute at will (as defined in the Open Source Definition for instance). If I can only see the source with permission it is closed. If I can only provide improvements to others with permission it is closed. I think proprietary is a reasonable name for projects that fail to meet the open source definition, though there could be some grey zones where it seems like an inappropriate label. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Any plan for improving Service Providers?
Yves Jacolin (free) wrote: Hello, Anyone could tell me it there are any plan for improving the Service Provider [1] ? For instance, add more information about service provided by each company like formation, support, custom dev, development of OSGeo application, etc. Yves, There was a plan to add indicators for service providers that had contributed back to the community in a variety of ways (sponsorships, supporting projects with developers, etc), but it never was implemented. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SPD_Prioritization I have tried to avoid attempting to describe services in too much detail within the application itself, and instead *hoped* that organizations would provide a landing page that gave a good description of their services appropriate to people coming from the service provider directory. Organizations provide a wide set of services, and it is hard to describe them consistently for searching purposes. I think it is better to see the SPD as giving pointers to service providers that the searcher can then research more deeply using other mechanisms. Also, keep in mind that we do not currently vette organizations and the more complicated the classification the more inconsistently it is likely to be applied. We already have the problems that service providers which to list lots of countries where they are willing to operate while we really want that field to indicate countries where they have existing staff on the ground in an office. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about an OSGeo Credit Card?
Robert Hollingsworth wrote: How about an OSGEO Group Health Insurance plan, for those of US who live in primitive countries that lack comprehensive national health care programs (and are likely to stay that way despite the best efforts by some in our federal legislative bodies) REH --- On *Mon, 8/3/09, Stephen Woodbridge /wood...@swoodbridge.com/* wrote: From: Stephen Woodbridge wood...@swoodbridge.com Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about an OSGeo Credit Card? To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:46 PM http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4577tag=nl.e539 http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4577tag=nl.e539 Steve / Robert, I *suspect* the affinity card is US only and that we would likely thus have a fairly modest uptake. I'm not too sure how serious the group health comment was, but likewise I assume it would be US only and hard to justify a great deal of organizational effort for limited uptake. If it wasn't for the balkanization of the global financial system, I would be tempted by the idea of an OSGeo affinity card. Certainly nicer than my current GM affinity card. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any library for modifying TIFF tags ?
Jachym Cepicky wrote:
Hi,
I try o add custom (proprietary) tags to TIFF files. I tried to modify
libtiff [1] according to [2], I added lines
libtiff/tiff.h:
#define TIFFTAG_SIGNATURE65001
libtiff/tif_dirinfo.c (line 392):
{ TIFFTAG_SIGNATURE,TIFF_VARIABLE, TIFF_VARIABLE,
TIFF_UNDEFINED, FIELD_CUSTOM, 1,0, Signature },
The tag should be TIFF_UNDEFINED according to documentation. I'm able to
read the tag value, but never able to set the tag value, no matter, if
the tag is already available in the image or not (fresh image).
I wanted to ask, if there is someone out there, who successfully uses
libtiff or similar/other library/program, for editing of tiff
(preferably UNDEFINED) tags. Any experience with Python-Image?
Jachym,
I am familiar with extending libtiff with custom tags. Note there are
less intrusive ways of registering custom tags that do not require modifying
libtiff itself. For instance, GDAL does this to add some custom tags:
static TIFFExtendProc _ParentExtender = NULL;
static void GTiffTagExtender(TIFF *tif)
{
static const TIFFFieldInfo xtiffFieldInfo[] = {
{ TIFFTAG_GDAL_METADATA,-1,-1, TIFF_ASCII, FIELD_CUSTOM,
TRUE, FALSE, (char*) GDALMetadata },
{ TIFFTAG_GDAL_NODATA, -1,-1, TIFF_ASCII, FIELD_CUSTOM,
TRUE, FALSE, (char*) GDALNoDataValue },
{ TIFFTAG_RPCCOEFFICIENT, -1,-1, TIFF_DOUBLE, FIELD_CUSTOM,
TRUE, TRUE, (char*) RPCCoefficient }
};
if (_ParentExtender)
(*_ParentExtender)(tif);
TIFFMergeFieldInfo( tif, xtiffFieldInfo,
sizeof(xtiffFieldInfo) / sizeof(xtiffFieldInfo[0]) );
}
I'm not clear on why you are unable to set a tag of type UNDEFINED though
I rarely work with this type. I would suggest you prepare a minimal program
using libtiff to demonstrate this issue and post about the issue on the
libtiff mailing list. Then I, or someone else, may be able to provide more
detailed advice.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] trac non-functional
Howard Butler wrote:
On Jun 19, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
Hi all.
Are there any plans to solve the horrible slowness and tendency to
return errors of the trac? We are working a lot on the qgis trac, but it
is a real pain, to the point that we are kind of thinking to write an
interface to the trac caching the results for quick search (what a waste
of time).
Paolo,
The problem is a volunteer manpower one. There are definitely plans, it
is just a matter of finding the time in which we can shut down and
implement them. I'm sorry that I can't give a better answer than that.
If you have time you can devote to the effort, please join the SAC list,
and we can get you up to date with all of the issues. We would happily
add another administrator of Trac if you have lots of familiarity with
it (especially mod_python, mod_wsgi and sqlite{1,3} vs external db like
pg).
Folks,
I have added a brief wiki topic on upgrade plans. Tentatively Howard
and myself will attempt to do something tomorrow night.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Trac_Instances#Planned_Upgrade
It should be noted that there may be Trac unavailability for up to four
hours during the upgrade efforts.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Liability Issues For Companies Supporting Open Source Development
Landon Blake wrote: I’m curious about the type if liability issues a company might open itself up to by supporting open source software development. Let me give you a scenario: A graphic design company decides it will sponsor some development of the SVG editor Inkscape. It puts out an RFP for the functionality it would like added to the program. It sets up a source code repository for these changes, hires a company/individual developer to perform the work, and works with the community to integrate the improvements back into the main development trunk. What legal liability might this introduce the company to? Is there an article or paper that discusses this question? I’m working on small business support for an open source project, and I know one of the first objections I will run into is “we don’t want to be liable for any programming effort we support financially”. Landon, Typically open source licenses include disclaimers of responsibility, fitness for a purpose, etc. For instance for GDAL: THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. This will generally protect the original author or funder of a software development from liability for damages. I'd be interested to hear of open source developers or their supporters being successfully sued when operating with such a disclaimer. Were you concerned about some other kind of liability? Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Nice Article about FOSS4G use in Maine
Folks, Mike Smith has written a nice article which highlights the work he has been doing on web services in Maine which highlights a number of OSGeo projects including GDAL, and MapServer. http://www.govtech.com/gt/articles/633927 Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: Microdonations for OSGeo
Markus Neteler wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) tmitch...@osgeo.org wrote: On 12-Mar-09, at 11:27 PM, Markus Neteler wrote: I would like to bring up the idea of accepting microdonations as general donations to OSGeo: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Microdonations Given the success of OSM, Wikipedia and others in that area of fund-rising I don't see a reason why OSGeo does not accept small donations from community members and likeminded people to keep OSGeo running. I was looking more at this idea this week and I just realised that we do already accept these donations. We do have the PayPal donation button on the website front page (top right corner). Was there more you think we need to be doing? Anyone can donate through that already, are you suggesting a change to that? Ok, fine - do you have any insights in how well that works? Markus, It is very rare for us to get a donation through this mechanism. I would also note that these are undirected donations. You cannot donate through this mechanism and have it go to a particular project or activity. It is just booked as a generic donation by Tyler, and I'm not aware of any acknowledgement process (or tax receipts). The hard part of microdonations isn't so much receiving them via something like paypal, it is managing small pools of money on the books for many sub-projects, and trying to keep track of who donated to what and when. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo4w stack building notes: maybe a dedicated wiki?
G. Allegri wrote: osgeo4w is making its way in various institutions. The tam-tam has begun and I hear people beginning to ask about it. The Windows users are the most between GIS users, so it is an expected clamour. Right yesterday I've been asked if it's possible to manage GRASS/QGIS/GDAL/R/Python bindings building with the same ease as on Linux platforms. I've left the Windows world some years ago, but now I need to start again with it, and I need to answer this question to my boss and collegues. I've read in the recent MLs threads about QGIS and MSVC, GRASS on MSYS, R... I'm not sure but AFAIU MSYS too... My boss has asked me to have a build of GRASS7, with the new Python bindings, and the rest of the stack I said before. Is it possible to organize in the OSGEO wiki some notes on how to start up with the building of it? There are various sparse notes (for GRASS and QGIS), but they mostly refer to the single executables, and not to the Osgeo4w way. I know it's not easy to realize it, first of all because everything is evolving very fast, and things change in a day... But it could help, at least to have a first reference (notes and people working on that specific topic). OsGeo4w wiki could be the right place. Anyway, next days I will start the long way to GRASS7+QGIS building! :) Giovanni, I would first note that the http://osgeo4w.osgeo.org/ is already a Trac wiki and anyone can extend it. Where it is of interest I think it would be nice to add extensive detail on how packages are built. In particular the GRASS + QGIS group are fairly involved and it would be nice to have the process described - perhaps referencing existing docs (like the WinGRASS build topic that already exists in the GRASS wiki) as appropriate. To some extent this will depend on those who are doing the builds now to describe details - in this case Jurgen. I will note that some package include associated source packages which include adjustments made for OSGeo4W builds. For instance, the GDAL source packages for 1.5 and 1.6 include the actual nmake.opt file that was used, and some cygwin-bash scripts used to prepare the package file. These can be useful if someone else needs to pick up maintenance of the packages. There is also a an existing general topic on how to build OSGeo4W packages which I would encourage anyone interested in packaging to review: http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/PackagingInstructions You might also want to join the OSGeo4W mailing list for detailed discussions of packaging. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo4w setup.exe source code?
G. Allegri wrote: Hello list. Thanks everyone for the great work done with OSGeo4W. I have a strange (maybe) question. I suppose that osgeo4w setup.exe is a fork of the cygwin's setup. Is it possible to view/download its source code? Giovanni, Yes, it is available in svn at: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/trunk/setup/ Some more information it is available at: http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/SetupDevelopment Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGR and Open Design Alliance DWG-DXF
Roger Bedell wrote: Hi Frank, I found this: http://svn.osgeo.org/gdal/spike/dxfdwg/ which seems to be an OGR to DWG/DXF exporter using the ODA libs. Can you tell me what the status of this is? If it isn't active, can I pick it up and work with it a bit? Roger, This code was removed from GDAL trunk because a bit of it was derived directly from header files of the ODA libraries and so it was not properly licensed as open source. As of a year or two ago I believe it worked within the limited scope of what it was supposed to do - which was to export simple features DWG files from OGR datasources. Feel free to use the code, but keep in mind that the license provenance is flawed, though not necessarily insurmountable so. I'm not sure that this forum is the best place for additional discussion on technical details. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] multipatch shapefile FIRST_RING structure
Rushforth, Peter wrote: The shapefile spec for multipatch shapefiles says this: When the individual types of rings in a collection of rings representing a polygonal patch with holes is unknown, the sequence must start with First Ring, followed by a number of Rings (p 21). Figure 3 shows a First Ring as an inner ring with an exterior ring as a Ring. Does this mean a receiving application must be prepared to figure out the (3 dimensional) topology of the rings it reads from a shapefile? Why? When would this ever be the case? Peter, An application that wants to process multi-patch shapefiles, including those using the FirstRing/Ring part types and that cares about nesting of rings must be prepared to do a geometric analysis to determine which are inner and outer. I mean an application that doesn't know which is the exterior ring from the interior rings of an internal data structure has no business writing them out and thus make them someone else's problem, in my view. Everyone is entitled to an opinion... I would note that multi-part shapefiles are (in my experience) very rare. A more serious issue is that there are lots of applications that have written out polygon shapefiles without following the specification properly resulting in improper ring orientation and/or ordering meaning that an application that wants to play it safe needs to do detailed geometric analysis on polygon shapefiles too. In the past shapelib and OGR were quite careless about how they wrote out shapefiles, and part of my penance is that they now have to do geometric analysis when reading which can be quite expensive. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] multipatch shapefile FIRST_RING structure
Rushforth, Peter wrote: Hi Frank, Thanks for your response. An application that wants to process multi-patch shapefiles, including those using the FirstRing/Ring part types and that cares about nesting of rings must be prepared to do a geometric analysis to determine which are inner and outer. This is in 3d we're talking right, so 2d libraries won't work unless the rings are transformed to the horizontal prior to analysis. Peter, I would not expect to do the analysis in 3D as for my purposes I am only interested in 2.5D geometry sets. I believe multipatch files are normally used to represent TINs which can be safely analysed in 2D, and the Z values just carried along. The odd thing is that there are also OUTER_RING and INNER_RING structures. FIRST_RING/RINGis used seemingly to signal a potential polygon in which the rings must be analysed. I say potential, because there's no guarantee that the rings don't overlap, for instance, so this structure must be used to signal near-spaghetti. I agree. I would note that multi-part shapefiles are (in my experience) very rare. I guess it depends on where you're swimming... Indeed. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] multipatch shapefile FIRST_RING structure
Eric Wolf wrote: Frank and Peter, Maybe we we need an ogr_cleaner app that can read in poorly structured shapefiles and normalize them to the standard. Maybe even a general topology cleaner that's file-format agnostic. Sounds like a fun summer project for a CompSci student. Eric, OGR already does geometric analysis on read, and write so a simple ogr2ogr should clean up most things. But multipatch files are not (well?) supported by OGR and don't fit the original OGC geometry model smoothly so OGR wouldn't be the right tool to cleanup multipatch files. And are shapefiles really being used much in the 3D world? As Peter mentions, it depends where you swim. Certainly I haven't seen *real* 3D use of shapefiles, though there are a reasonable number of 2.5D ones with elevations attached to geometries. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Top ten myths for open source in geo?
Michael P. Gerlek wrote: Gentlepersons: I'm doing an article addressing the top ~10 myths/misperceptions about open source for geo. There are a number of such pieces already out there about open source in general, from which I'll borrow heavily, but I'd like to have half the list be myths specific to the geo and GIS world we're playing in. Do you have any nominations? Which issues are not well understood? What questions do you most frequently get asked? Michael, I hope you will include some of the myths that are not specific to geospatial FOSS, but with answers/explanations focused more on open source. So for instance, when addressing a concern like there is no support, you could name support companies that provide support in the geospatial space. I would like to suggest: foss4g products don't support my existing proprietary data to which the answer will hopefully be that FOSS4G packages have quite extensive support for different data formats, including important undocumented proprietary file formats, but that there are some limitations so investigate with regard to your own data. Another common one in general is open source is just for that geeky linux operating system, I want to use windows! to which the response will hopefully reference some particular windows packaging efforts like OSGeo4W as well as indicating that most projects do offer binaries for windows. I often try to make the point that OSGeo and FOSS4G is available for many operating systems, and that using open source GIS software does not mean pushing linux down peoples throats. A variation on this is you need to be a software developer to use open source to which the response is also reference to the various convenient pre-built binaries for various platforms. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC and OSGeo Sign Memorandum of Understanding
Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote: Hey Tyler, I understood from some people/discussions that the individual membership can only be used when the individual owns their IP (intellectual property). So people working in a company, where the company owns the persons IP, would not be able to use this membership. Is this true, are you able to shed some light on this? Bart, I believe the individual members via OSGeo are bound by the normal limitations on such memberships. I believe you question about IP belonging to a company as opposed to the individual roughly describes the main criteria. So the individual memberships are primarily useful for hobbiests, and other independent folks. What will be OsGeo's policy for selecting the 6 people? This isn't worked out in detail, but I believe Arnulf has been selected as the primary liaison and for the time being would be making the decision if there are more candidates than slots available. It may be that this isn't much of a problem. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo
Landon Blake wrote: Frank wrote: In addition to the servers provided by Telascience we also have two rented servers at Peer1 (svn, trac, drupal, and mailman are on one of these servers). We are paying nearly $15K/yr for these two servers. Wow! Does our traffic require two dedicated servers like this? Landon, The arrangement at Peer1 was made primarily with the goal of having a reliable decent server able to support svn/trac and related project services. The second server is primarily serving as a backup though the wiki is hosted there. We are contemplating dropping use of the second Peer1 server to save funds. Frank wrote: So far geospatial data hosting has been accomplished via the servers at Telascience. OSGeo has not to-date provided any resources of it's own (ie. budgeted for) in support of hosting geodata. Large scale geodata hosting is pretty demanding from a computational, disk space and bandwidth point of view and it would be likely be cost prohibitive for us to pursue it in a big way on commercially priced servers like the ones at Peer1. Is it the space requirements that make geodata hosting demanding, the bandwith requirements for download, or both? Both. Bandwidth overages at Peer1 can mount up to be expensive very quickly, so we already host our most bandwidth intensive applications (download.osgeo.org and existing geodata services) at telascience. I'm presuming the hosted data would be made available as web services (WMS, WCS, etc) not just a download site. Frank wrote: There is some question in my mind just how central the *hosting* of free geodata is to our mission. It would be great to get this clarified. Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with many different ideas like OSGeo. I had originally asked this question because I might be able to make a small donation to support free geodata hosting. I was trying to figure out which organization would be the best suited for the donation. Sounds like it should go to telascience. We'll see how my taxes works out this year. :] I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Relationship between Telascience and the OSGeo
Landon Blake wrote: Frank wrote: Clarifying such a matter is not trivial in an organization with many different ideas like OSGeo. Roger that. So I guess it boils down to the internal support for this type of service. Landon, Yes, I suppose. I will say there is certainly support for OSGeo hosting free geodata, but it is unclear if that support extends to spending significant amounts of money on it. It also depends on folks with the right talents being able to do the work needed. Frank wrote: I'm not sure if telascience accepts public donations or not, nor whether it is 501(c)3 which might matter for tax purposes. Roger that. I wonder if it would be possible to make a donation to telascience trough OSGeo, which would be tax deductible... Our 501(c)3 application is still wending it's way through the IRS. I don't know if we could issue a charitable tax receipt for money received for this tax year or not ... it is certain iffy. If we could, and the amount was significant, we could earmark it for geodata/hardware type expenses at telascience. But, honestly, you might be better donating money to feed starving children somewhere this year, and just provide your talents as a developer, tester, documentor and advocate to the FOSS4G/OSGeo community - and revisit the donation issue next year. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Best Person For Questions About Project Incubation
Landon Blake wrote: It seems like the OpenJUMP community may be cautiously moving towards a decision to apply for status as an OSGeo Project. I would like to know who would be the best person to ask questions as we begin to make the needed changes and move through the application and incubation process. Any suggestions? Landon, I am available to answer questions about the project incubation process. I would also encourage review of the Incubation Process documents at: http://www.osgeo.org/incubator Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question
Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote: Hi list, today I was in a meeting about GeoExt, and the following question came up: Is it possible for OsGeo to take copyright for a project which yet has to form and has not passed incubation as such? A commercial company has expressed issues contributing if the copyright is not owned by a trustworthy independent organization such as OsGeo. Is anybody able to answer this? TIA. Bart (and Bob), It isn't obvious to me that OSGeo has to do anything for you to assign copyright to us. So in that sense you could likely just force it on us. However, my suggestion would be for you to request OSGeo to accept code copyright by way of a letter to the board. Alternatively, if there is an existing OSGeo project to which the GeoExt project relates somewhat closely, you might ask them to take it on under their project governance. To be legal in the USA we understand copyright assignment to require a signed document. There are some examples of assignment, and contributor agreements available at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee Note that OSGeo holding the copyright doesn't generally mean we will do much. But for OSGeo projects our position has been that the code must remain available under an open source license (OSI certified or clearly equivelent to an OSI certified license). We defer to the project PSC on changes to the license (within those constraints). We are generally hesitant to take legal enforcement action against violators of the license, preferring to resolve issues through negotiation and education. As a board member I'd be more supportive of taking on some responsibility for a project (ie. holding code copyright) if I thought the project was likely to go through the incubation process eventually. And, once again, I'd rather see an existing incubated project PSC take responsibility rather than having to do it directly via the board if possible. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question
P Kishor wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, today I was in a meeting about GeoExt, and the following question came up: Is it possible for OsGeo to take copyright for a project which yet has to form and has not passed incubation as such? Just looking at the above question, the answer would be no in the US. In the US, per Title 17, Section 102, original works of authorship have to be fixed in any tangible medium of expression before they can acquire copyright protection. Since the said project hasn't yet been formed, it can't be protected. Puneet, It appears to be a common practice to write copyright assignments and contributor agreements in such a way that they apply to new contributions as they are created. Of course for this to work well it is necessary to be reasonably clear about what is being contributed. So regardless of the text of title 17, section 102, reputable intellectual property lawyers have not shown any hesitation to draft agreements related to future creations. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question
P Kishor wrote: Any right is only as good as its defense in the court. Just because reputable IP lawyers may draft copyright assignments in works that don't yet exist doesn't mean that actual copyrights in those works exist. Puneet, I don't claim that the copyright exists before the thing being copyrighted exists. Only that it is possible to write a contract that grants that copyright in advance of it actually existing. The actual assignment for each chunk presumably takes place as it is created and the copyright comes into existance. I am doubtful that this tangent is really important to the question of whether these folks can assign the copyright of their work-to-come to OSGeo. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] News submittal (I think)
Bob Basques wrote: Frank, Not a big deal from this end (based on your comments). We'll have version 2.0 ready around the end of the year. The last News Item I sent was for Version 1.2, which was at the beginning of the year. I didn't think to send every point release in between to the news items, only those that I thought merited announcement. Version 1.6 has some interesting new features. But Version 2.0 will have a lot more thrown in as well. I swear we had a similar conversation to this the last time around too, you were making some similar cautioning statements at that time as well. BTW: What's the Gage being used for saying something is not widespread. It's in widespread use around here. :c) Bob, The review is entirely subjective on my part based on my perceptions. Anyway, I'll send something along for Version 2.0 when it's ready. Sounds good. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Anyone interested in geocoding and routing?
(Orkney)Toru Mori wrote: Apart from technical design, geocoder is useless without data :) Address systems are varied and messy, at least here in Japan and in other Asia region. For example, Japan has more than 3 systems. Additionally it is very tough to get good enough data. There is no separation in address text. We developed geocoder.ja already for our region specifically, but unfortunately it won't work in even other countries in Asia. http://www.postlbs.org/ja/geocoder A sigle universal, global geocoder may sound perfect. However, there is very limited space in terms of standardization as follows. - API (can be standardized) - thin parser (might be standardized) - geocoding logic (cannot be standardized) - local dataset (varied and messy) - So what OSGeo should lead would be just APIs. If OSGeo wants to standardize lower levels, then the project won't finish probably. Toru Mori, I do think any final solution needs to support plugging in distinct address parsers and geocoder matching logic for differ locales and underlying datasets. My understanding is that some of the commercial data providers have fairly standard schemes for how to break down address data into a standard tabular layout - at least for quite a bit of the world. We might want to learn something from the breakdown approach they used. Generally I agree that we won't be able to write one universal geocoder but it seems to me a good architecture with the ability for people to contribute local parsers and geocoding matchers might be an ideal sort of open source project. Of course, I'm speaking hypothetically (without experience) and you are speaking from experience! Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] methods for programatically adding fields to shapefiles
Tim Sutton wrote: Hi Are there any suggestions on how to do this from c++? Something we've long wanted to add support for in QGIS. Frank Warmerdam was reticent about adding it to ogr since it would have many crosscutting implications... Tim, I would note that I would not mind implementing OGRLayer::CreateField() for shapefiles that already have features (though I'm not promising I have time). I think I was wanting to avoid more general schema alteration (removing fields, reordering, changing names, etc). Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
