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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Privacy Policy: [was FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o]

2015-12-18 Thread Ian Edwards

I support Paul and Steven's approach (and thank them for their actions to
help keep the community aware of events) -- but I think it's also certainly
the case that there is always a set of people on our mailing lists who have
a strong preference that their details are not shared in a way they do not
agree to up front - In fact, I'm sure we would all include ourselves in
this category as the type of "spam" we may receive becomes less relevant to
our interests.

Another way to reach a constructive outcome may be to discuss on the conference
dev
<http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Conference-Committee-f3721662.html>
list an update to the FOSS4G Handbook
<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Editing_this_document>/Cookbook
with guidelines on opting out when submitting your details.  My preference
would be a statement that does not require a lot of effort from our
volunteer organisers, something like:

"by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your details
for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events.  You can
unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the unsubscribe
links provided."


===
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Maxi,
> I love the constructive research that you have started here.
>
> Email privacy was not as topical when foss4g email lists started getting
> collected, and tracing technologies such as mail chimp were as assessable
> as mail chimp is now. So we are right to retrospectively develop our policy
> in this area.
>
> If you are up for it, I suggest following a similar process to what we did
> for getting the OSGeo Code of Conduct in place.
> 1. Research best practice policies. Find one that meets OSGeo community
> requirements (ideally addressing the majority of the ideas on this email
> thread)
> 2. Ideally find something that has been adopted and maintained as best
> practice among many organisations. (This is the Open Source Way).
> 3. Reference it, copy it verbatim, tweak it, or collate with other
> sources, (possibly into a wiki page)
> 4. Propose to OSGeo community for adoption. Collate feedback, tweak.
> 5. Have OSGeo adopt the policy.
>
> Warm regards Cameron
>
>
> On 18/12/2015 4:26 am, Daniel Kastl wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's concerns
> are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our best for a
> successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a bit strong and
> contained the  "LocationTech" keyword ;-)
> I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo not to
> be successful, and nobody is against marketing.
>
> However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's right,
> right?
> If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle personal
> data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no privacy policy, we
> probably should have one, because there are at least a few countries I
> know, where not being able to opt-out or receiving unwanted emails can
> become a legal issue quickly (and cost money).
>
> I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct, where
> some people thought, we don't need that, because we're well-educated and
> friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A code of conduct wasn't
> something I cared about that time, because maybe it's not common in
> countries where I live. But I learned, that it's an important document for
> North American countries. And I think the privacy topic is a widely
> discussed issue in European countries, and we have some lessons learned
> about services/organizations trying to track us.
> So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an
> encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think you
> already get tracked, when you open the email and the transparent image gets
> loaded.
> Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice here to
> sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text only with
> beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.
>
> While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:
> - Is the collected database of email addresses available on request for
> every local chapter?
> - If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization (in this
> case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name), what happens with
> these addresses later? Are they now merged with the "LocationTech Tour"
> database or the whole Eclipse address pool, etc.?
> - If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America, will I be
> removed from the database and future announcements?
>
> I think most email

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o

2015-12-16 Thread Ian Edwards

*"there seems to be a fairly strident Location Tech bashing going on"*

This negative "bashing" of other organisations has to completely stop
because it is having a massive negative impact on OSGeo.

We've recently lost a respected former board member (who has resigned his
charter member status) and the OSGeo president, both in relation to how
we've conducted ourselves in relation to other organisations in the
community.  These internal losses are not due to there being other
organisations in the geospatial world, nor how they are acting - but
instead our losses are due to how we ourselves are thinking and behaving.

OSGeo should positively support all elements of the geospatial community
including users, developers and also other organisations to the fullest and
best of our ability.  By doing this we become stronger (instead of weaker)
and will remain useful, relevant and of interest to the community who will
continue to invest their energy and efforts with us and recognise our
unique value and position.

In relation to LocationTech - similar divisions exist across the entire
Open Source world (take a look at LibreOffice and OpenOffice, or MariaDB
and MySQL).  The broard "FOSS4G" community (encompassing both OSGeo and
LocationTech) is not alone in facing this, and my hope is that OSGeo can
once again be a beacon to the rest of the open source world and show how
best to embrace these differences, understand the strengths and weakness in
both camps, and work together for the positive benefit of our diverse
community.

--
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Puneet Kishor <punk.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Pat Tressel <ptres...@myuw.net> wrote:
> >
> > If you want to point at a company as being the Evil Empire these days,
> you'd be more accurate pointing at Apple (cancelling licenses for Mac
> clones, suicides at Foxconn, restrictions on getting apps on iTunes,
> removing fitness tracker products from their stores because they might
> compete with the Apple Watch, etc. -- do a search for "apple anti
> competitive practices")
>
> You were doing fine until above. The rest of your post is indeed very
> relevant and useful and argues correctly for sanity instead of knee-jerk
> accusations (until the above assertions, of course).
>
> The point is, there seems to be a fairly strident Location Tech bashing
> going on, and it is getting to be tiring. Let's stick to keeping OSGeo a
> fun, useful champion of free and open geospatial without becoming
> anti-anything-free, partisan and possibly irrelevant.
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Barn raising: osgeo.org web site

2015-12-10 Thread Ian Edwards

Hi Gert-Jan, Maxi,

I agree with both of you.

In terms of the design I'd encourage you to get involved with discussions
(and implementation..!) via the webcom list as we get underway.  The aim
will be to provide a number of theme choices and to improve the design of
the site substantially (on both desktop and mobile devices).

Maxi - we can style the site in anyway, regardless of the back end being
drupal.  The style of the landing page can be a focus of additional effort,
and could be static, cached, or database-driven on each visit.

Hopefully there will be a lot of discussion around how we're communicating
the content as we go forward, but the main focus is certainly the
technology upgrade.  If we only achieved a site that looked like the old
site, but was on upgraded software then this would still be a very
desirable outcome.

Ian


On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> Dear All,
> actually I think we need something more fancy and modern with respect to
> what we have now.
>
> At least for the landing page, the rest could be more functional and be
> Drupal or whatsoever you think is better from a technical point of view.
>
> In my opinion we need a re-design of the website and of the communication.
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
> 2015-12-10 10:09 GMT+01:00 Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) <
> gert-...@osgeo.nl>:
>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Is this update a pure technical one, or are there also plans to give the
>> site a new fresh & young look?
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Gert-Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Edwards schreef op 09-12-2015 14:38:
>>
>>> Excellent - thanks Jeff.
>>>
>>> All - please keep sending in requirements for the remake of the main
>>> osgeo.org [2] website.  It may make sense to move specifics of this
>>> discussion to the webcom mailing list, but please reply on discuss
>>> with any major issues to this proposal overall, or with any
>>> alternative suggestions prior to tomorrow's board meeting.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jeff McKenna
>>> <jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-12-07 6:31 PM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Plans to recreate the current OSGeo.org website in a newer version
>>>>> of
>>>>> the Drupal content management system are on the wiki here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo.org_Web_Site_-_2016_Barn_Raising
>>>>>
>>>>> This topic is also on the agenda for this week's OSGeo board
>>>>> meeting
>>>>> (Thursday):
>>>>> agenda: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-12-10
>>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-12-10>
>>>>> time:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2015=12=10=14=0=0%2015.00UTC
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Please send replies to the message to *discuss**@lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://lists.osgeo.org>* and not to the other lists included on
>>>>> this
>>>>> message to prevent the discussion from being split across the
>>>>> discuss,
>>>>> board, sac and webcom lists!
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I anticipate that we may not all agree that a manual
>>>>> migration to
>>>>> Drupal 8 is the absolute optimal solution --- but please bear in
>>>>> mind
>>>>> that possible upgrades have been in discussion since 2007...
>>>>> We're
>>>>> looking for a solution that can be easily implemented and meets
>>>>> the main
>>>>> requirements (including removing ad hoc custom PHP and also
>>>>> ensuring
>>>>> solid multilingual support).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've added more requirements to the wiki as well:
>>>>
>>>> - Allow easy way to find communication channels:
>>>>
>>>> mailing lists
>>>> IRC
>>>> OSGeo Slack
>>>> OSGeo HipChat
>>>> OSGeo Gitter
>>>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Barn raising: osgeo.org web site

2015-12-09 Thread Ian Edwards

Excellent - thanks Jeff.

All - please keep sending in requirements for the remake of the main
osgeo.org website.  It may make sense to move specifics of this discussion
to the webcom mailing list, but please reply on discuss with any major
issues to this proposal overall, or with any alternative suggestions prior
to tomorrow's board meeting.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jeff McKenna <jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com>
wrote:

> On 2015-12-07 6:31 PM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Plans to recreate the current OSGeo.org website in a newer version of
>> the Drupal content management system are on the wiki here:
>>
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo.org_Web_Site_-_2016_Barn_Raising
>>
>> This topic is also on the agenda for this week's OSGeo board meeting
>> (Thursday):
>>  agenda: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-12-10
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-12-10>
>> time:
>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2015=12=10=14=0=0%2015.00UTC
>>
>> Please send replies to the message to *discuss**@lists.osgeo.org
>> <http://lists.osgeo.org>* and not to the other lists included on this
>> message to prevent the discussion from being split across the discuss,
>> board, sac and webcom lists!
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> P.S. I anticipate that we may not all agree that a manual migration to
>> Drupal 8 is the absolute optimal solution --- but please bear in mind
>> that possible upgrades have been in discussion since 2007...  We're
>> looking for a solution that can be easily implemented and meets the main
>> requirements (including removing ad hoc custom PHP and also ensuring
>> solid multilingual support).
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I've added more requirements to the wiki as well:
>
>  - Allow easy way to find communication channels:
>
> mailing lists
> IRC
> OSGeo Slack
> OSGeo HipChat
> OSGeo Gitter
>
>
>
> -jeff
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Barn raising: osgeo.org web site

2015-12-07 Thread Ian Edwards

Hi All,

Plans to recreate the current OSGeo.org website in a newer version of the
Drupal content management system are on the wiki here:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo.org_Web_Site_-_2016_Barn_Raising

This topic is also on the agenda for this week's OSGeo board meeting
(Thursday):
agenda: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-12-10
time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2015=12=10=14=0=0%2015.00UTC

Please send replies to the message to *discuss**@lists.osgeo.org
* and not to the other lists included on this
message to prevent the discussion from being split across the discuss,
board, sac and webcom lists!

Many thanks,

Ian

P.S. I anticipate that we may not all agree that a manual migration to
Drupal 8 is the absolute optimal solution --- but please bear in mind that
possible upgrades have been in discussion since 2007...  We're looking for
a solution that can be easily implemented and meets the main requirements
(including removing ad hoc custom PHP and also ensuring solid multilingual
support).



On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Jeff McKenna  wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> Thanks for proposing this.  I agree, we need a "not invented here"
> approach, to make this possible.  It is sure time for this upgrade.  I
> have added your proposal to the next board meeting agenda, Ian could you
> also attend that IRC meeting, to help guide this topic?  See the exact
> time at the top of this page:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-12-10
>
> I would also like to see this plan (including the nodes transferred) on
> the OSGeo wiki.  Could you also start drafting these plans on the OSGeo
> wiki, and share that link with everyone?
>
> One big part of this upgrade is the Service Providers page
> (http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile), which I believe is made up on
> custom PHP.  Please include your plans for this in the wiki (or a section
> on the wiki for this so we can get proposals/ideas for how to improve this
> search tool.
>
> We will of course need to work closely with the SAC committee on this, and
> we can share these wiki plans with them, for their approval.
>
> Thanks again for pushing this.
>
> -jeff
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > With the recent release of Drupal 8, I'd like to suggest we hold a barn
> > raising event for recreating and re-hosting the main osgeo.org website.
> >
> > Why continue with Drupal?
> >
> > - We need a proven CMS that is easy for all users and doesn't require
> lots
> > of work to maintain.
> > -Drupal 8 was developed to put multilingual capabilities first, a core
> > requirement for OSGeo.
> > - v8 includes responsive themes designed for mobiles and tablets and is
> > engineered to be fast by default.
> > - Unlike the OSGeo projects, we need a "not invented here" approach to
> the
> > website where we aim to write little or no code ourselves.
> >
> > How?
> >
> > - The current site has around 1600 nodes.  If, for example, 16 people
> took
> > responsibility for 100 nodes each we could manually copy content without
> > worrying about automating the migration... therefore no risk of
> > transferring anything that's not public, or of copying across old
> embedded
> > PHP code.
> > - A shared google spreadsheet would record which nodes had been
> > transferred. We'd transfer newer nodes first and *create the correct
> links
> > among the translated content*.
> > - The sponsor pages could be created as a custom content type and
> > displayed
> > using built-in drupal views, allowing sorting, searching etc without any
> > custom PHP.
> > - SAC could install a vanilla Drupal 8 on a new server and get inital
> LDAP
> > support working. Webcom would take responsibility for content, theming
> > etc.
> > and discussions via the webcom mailing list.
> > - The board would decide when to transfer to new site.
> >
> > Principals
> > - Avoid writing any custom code (which has prevented upgrades in the
> past)
> > - Install minimal contributor modules, ensure any that are used are
> likely
> > to be maintained long term, e.g. ldap
> > 
> > module.
> >
> > Is this something that could be discussed at the next board meeting?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > P.S. The following link provides a good summary of features in Drupal 8:
> >
> >
> https://www.acquia.com/sites/default/files/library/attachment/ultimate-guide-drupal-8v3.pdf
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My name is now Andrea

2015-10-09 Thread Ian Edwards

Well done Andrea taking this important step, I'm really pleased you're now
living as you're supposed to be, it must be a huge relief.  You're an
inspiration to others in a similar situation - and the main thing: keep up
all the good work in Geo!

Ian

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Ross  wrote:

> Dear Everyone,
>
> Please pardon me for those who already know this news.
>
> I participate quite a bit and have supported OSGeo initiatives since the
> early days (FWIW, I am a charter member since 2008), and it seems
> appropriate to share this here as well.
>
> If you please, it is my wish you call me Andrea
>  from
> now on. Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrea
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Porting UK Location Program Customisations to Geonetwork 2.10/2.11

2014-06-26 Thread Ian Edwards

Hi Jo,

Do you know whether you can achieve what you need by only creating a new
schema plugin, or is the work more complicated (i.e. involves modifying the
code base)


http://geonetwork-opensource.org/manuals/2.10.3/eng/developer/schemaPlugins/index.html



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 Dear Lists,

 You may be aware that the UK Location Program GEMINI2/INSPIRE metadata
 standard is currently only available for GeoNetwork 2.6, which is now quite
 old, and that there are no official plans to support later versions on
 Geonetwork, as Defra will be moving over to an online-only metadata editor.
 My employer, Astun Technology, is considering commissioning a piece of work
 to port the GEMINI2 schema to run in GeoNetwork 2.10 onwards. We aim to
 make this work available on Github, to allow UK users to take advantage of
 the numerous enhancements in the most recent versions of Geonetwork, and
 will also prepare us to upgrade again when the new GEMINI3 is released
 towards the end of 2014.

 Before we start on this, we have a couple of questions:

1. Beyond achieving GEMINI compatibility with GeoNetwork do you have
any other suggestions or requirements? Speak up now as this is a good
opportunity to get them included in our plans.
2. Would your organisation be interested in contributing to this
project?

 Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd prefer.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

2013-10-09 Thread Ian Edwards

Hi Jody, all

Take a look at the Iris project on OSGeo live for powerful NetCDF handling
   http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/iris_overview.html

The OSGeo Live 7.0 version of the NetCDF4 python library dependency is
broken, but can be easily fixed with...

  pip install -I netCDF4==1.0.4

Ian



On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.comwrote:

 For the Sydney Climate Change Interoperability Plugfest we had a
 different kind of response. Much of the climate change data was provided in
 NetCDF format which most of those participating were unable to deal with.

 This kind of response highlighted an opportunity for funding.
 --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

2013-09-27 Thread Ian Edwards

Thanks Alex, Frank. I'm happy to leave the project management tools
(basecamp) alone and lean more on SAC.  I'm also keen to make extensive use
of the wiki pages and to fill in missing documentation as we go.

Looking through our custom Drupal modules I believe that we're unlikely to
find an upgrade path that will work - I suspect we're looking at a detailed
investigation of the functionality of the current site, followed by a
rebuild in Drupal 8 and automating the migration of content across.  We can
have several attempts at this in a development environment before
performing live migration tests and then making the decision to move across
to the new site when all of the requirements have been met.  Alex - I'm
very interested in hearing the thoughts of your Drupal colleague.  If he
agrees with this route then I think we should get started and we can use
WebCom to report regular progress on the specifics.





On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote:

 On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com
 wrote:
 
  On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
  To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd
  like
  to start some closed discussions.
 
  If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo
 infrastructure
  then please join us.  We'll report back progress on the open WebCom
  mailing
  list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly
  documented
  and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving
  forwards.
 
  Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion.
 
  Ian
 
 
 
  Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the
  new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by
  members of the System Administration committee. Everything except
  security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if
  someone has taken the time to write it up.
 
 
  Alex,
 
  Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund.
 
  Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which
  touch on SAC.
 

 Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the
 SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and
 have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by
 other things (we can probably find old message thread for background).
 Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to
 change on a running site.

  I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with
 whether
  there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting
  committee issue.
 

 Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen.

  It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some
 updates
  to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a newer
  drupal.
 

 Right, I actually have someone who looked at it briefly (A drupal expert
 I work with), the trouble was we didn't have all the non-standard Drupal
 add-ons documented, so its hard to figure out how to keep them working
 right. If we feed him the right info, I can bug him to get it done or
 give us a quote if it'll cost some hours.

  That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of closed discussions and use
 of
  some thing called basecamp.  Ian - why are closed discussions valuable
  other than the need to be protective of a few passwords?
 

 I agree, no need for basecamp (I do know what it is). We have a wiki and
 should use it.

  Best regards,
  Frank

 Thanks,
 Alex

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

2013-09-27 Thread Ian Edwards

agreed - we should keep implementation options open at this stage, I'm
equally happy with Django and I'll try to help with other options if
they're chosen.

I'll do some investigations into Drupal 8's multilingual support and see if
it supports the following requirement:
We have to keep in mind that translation is being done by a growing bunch
of people who have little or no technical background. We need this to be
bullet proof and we need well defined processes on how to create
translations and whether or how to translate news / community spotlights,
etc. [1]

I'll report back on the WebCom list

[1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/202



On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote:

 Ian,

 That plan is I think the same conclusion I had reached. That some parts
 of the site simply need to be recoded, and I would open that it does not
 necessarily have to be drupal if we have experts in other platforms
 willing to jump in, things like the Service directory can easily be
 django or other platforms heavily used in the community.

 Our current goal, is to move the current site as is if possible over to
 the OSUOSL hosted machines. We hit a snag in PHP being too new for the
 older drupal and it broke some stuff. www.osgeo2.org  I think it is.
 If we can pull that off it would allow us to retire osgeo1 which is
 somewhat expensive to run, and would potentially free up funds to put
 towards re-coding of the site.

 FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a
 Trac instance?

 Thanks,
 Alex


 On 09/27/2013 03:31 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
  Thanks Alex, Frank. I'm happy to leave the project management tools
  (basecamp) alone and lean more on SAC.  I'm also keen to make extensive
 use
  of the wiki pages and to fill in missing documentation as we go.
 
  Looking through our custom Drupal modules I believe that we're unlikely
 to
  find an upgrade path that will work - I suspect we're looking at a
 detailed
  investigation of the functionality of the current site, followed by a
  rebuild in Drupal 8 and automating the migration of content across.  We
 can
  have several attempts at this in a development environment before
  performing live migration tests and then making the decision to move
 across
  to the new site when all of the requirements have been met.  Alex - I'm
  very interested in hearing the thoughts of your Drupal colleague.  If he
  agrees with this route then I think we should get started and we can use
  WebCom to report regular progress on the specifics.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alex Mandel 
 tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote:
 
  On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel 
 tech_...@wildintellect.com
  wrote:
 
  On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
  To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd
  like
  to start some closed discussions.
 
  If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo
  infrastructure
  then please join us.  We'll report back progress on the open WebCom
  mailing
  list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly
  documented
  and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving
  forwards.
 
  Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion.
 
  Ian
 
 
 
  Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you
 the
  new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by
  members of the System Administration committee. Everything except
  security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if
  someone has taken the time to write it up.
 
 
  Alex,
 
  Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund.
 
  Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which
  touch on SAC.
 
 
  Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the
  SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and
  have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by
  other things (we can probably find old message thread for background).
  Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to
  change on a running site.
 
  I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with
  whether
  there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting
  committee issue.
 
 
  Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen.
 
  It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some
  updates
  to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a
 newer
  drupal.
 
 
  Right, I actually have someone who looked at it briefly (A drupal expert
  I work with), the trouble was we didn't have all the non-standard Drupal
  add-ons documented, so its hard to figure out how to keep them working
  right. If we feed him the right info, I can bug him to get it done or
  give us a quote if it'll cost some hours

[OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

2013-09-26 Thread Ian Edwards

To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd like
to start some closed discussions.

If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure
then please join us.  We'll report back progress on the open WebCom mailing
list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly documented
and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving forwards.

Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion.

Ian
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham Update

2013-09-10 Thread Ian Edwards

In addition to Barry's FOSS4G update on the Discuss list (see below), I'm
happy to report that 1,000 copies of OSGeo Live DVD arrived safely this
afternoon and that they test out okay...

Many thanks to all of the Live community for their relentless work on this
great product, we're very pleased to be able to place a copy in the hands
of every delegate at FOSS4G next week.


On 2013-09-10 8:03 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
  About this time next week an old blue Land Rover will roll smokily
  into the car park at the EMCC in Nottingham. I will have arrived at
  FOSS4G.
 
  Steven instigated these update emails in order to keep the OSGeo
  community up-to-date with conference planning after the disconnect
  between the local organisation and the central OSGeo people was an
  issue for the ill-fated Beijing FOSS4G-that-never-was. I like to think
  the lack of communication from OSGeo central back to the local
  committee saying are you doing this? is a measure of the success of
  these updates, and of our communications strategy in general.
 
  To my final update. Some last minute purchasing and arrangement for
  the GeoCamp is going on. This week we should get delivery of all the
  branded items such as signage and the all-important t-shirts. Some
  last-minute programme changes are happening due to people having to
  pull out, we are arranging replacements, and the change list is on the
  web site to serve as errata from the printed programme.
 
  So, I hope everyone coming has a safe journey and a great conference.
  Don't forget your Robin Hood hats.
 
  Barry
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OGC/OSGeo BoF @FOSS4G'13

2013-08-19 Thread Ian Edwards

I've added an OGC/OSGeo BoF session:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2013_BirdsOfAFeather#OGC.2FOSGeo_meet_up

OGC and OSGeo have always been strongly linked, from our common roots in
the early open source geospatial community, our 2008 MoU, and the ongoing
benefits we continue to realize from each other's activities. As both
organisations continue to lead at the top of their respective fields, are
there ways that we can work more closely and provide greater support for
each other's work?

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Denise McKenzie
dmcken...@opengeospatial.org wrote:

Hello Ian, Adrian and OSGeo members,

Thank you for the invitation to run a joint OGC/OSGeo birds of a feather
discussion at FOSS4G. It sounds like a great idea. I look forward to being
part of it. Ian, please let me know what I need to do in preparation for
the session.

I would also like to offer our thanks to Adrian for his significant
contribution to the OGC both in standards development and the recent
Ideas4OGC process.

Look forward to the upcoming discussions at FOSS4G.

Cheers,
Denise

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Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
OGC: Making location count.

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On 18 August 2013 23:01:15 Ian Edwards ** wrote:

Hi Adrian,

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide this really useful
summary of everything that is going on at OGC.

We're particularly grateful for your recent efforts helping to structure
the Ideas4OGC process following the concerns that were raised by the
GeoServices specification. We all rely on OGC standards and everyone here
feels much more comfortable knowing that people like you work behind the
scenes on behalf of our broad community.

I'm copying in Denise from OGC to start an open discussion on whether we
could jointly host an OGC-OSGeo Bird of a Feather session at FOSS4G in 4
weeks time. If Denise agrees then I'll add a slot to the wiki:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2013_BirdsOfAFeather

I encourage other people on the list with an investment in standards to
consider taking the membership that is now available. I'm happy to discuss
this with anyone who is interested.

Ian

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

you have nicely allowed me to use one of the OSGeo membership slots for
OGC. As part of that, I am required to submit a report to you on OGC
activity, or, really, on my activity at the OGC. Since my activity at the
OGC is coming to an end, I submit this closing report to all of you.

The OGC is continuing in much the same way with a major new
interoperability testbed starting up, new standards up for a vote, proposed
standards coming up for discussion and comment, and a TC meeting planned
for late September just outside Rome. Additionally, there is some activity
attempting to identify and propose solutions for some of the issues with
the OGC today.

The 10th iteration of the OGC interoperability testbed has been announced:

http://www.opengeospatial.org/**projects/initiatives/ows-10http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/initiatives/ows-10
.
The RFQ/CFP is available at

http://www.opengeospatial.org/**standards/requests/103http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/requests/103
.
A quickstart guide is

http://www.opengeospatial.org/**pub/www/ows10/rfq/quickstart.**htmlhttp://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows10/rfq/quickstart.html
Responses are due by 5 pm EST on 26 August 2013.

Several standards are undergoing adoption votes including OpenMI version
2.0 and the CRS extension to WCS. There has been no general discussion
about either of these on the TC Discussion list so I presume they will be
adopted when the vote closes.

WCS continues its incredible progress driven by the inexhaustible
productivity of Peter Baumann. I am less aware of the work of other groups
like catalog, processing services, feature services and observation
services. There is ongoing work on SPARQL and on the semantic web.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Summary of OGC Activity

2013-08-18 Thread Ian Edwards

Hi Adrian,

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide this really useful
summary of everything that is going on at OGC.

I encourage other people on the list with an investment in standards to
consider taking the membership that is now available. I'm happy to discuss
this with anyone who is interested.

Ian

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

The 10th iteration of the OGC interoperability testbed has been announced:

http://www.opengeospatial.org/**projects/initiatives/ows-10http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/initiatives/ows-10
.
The RFQ/CFP is available at

http://www.opengeospatial.org/**standards/requests/103http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/requests/103
.
A quickstart guide is

http://www.opengeospatial.org/**pub/www/ows10/rfq/quickstart.**htmlhttp://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows10/rfq/quickstart.html
Responses are due by 5 pm EST on 26 August 2013.

The PubSub standards working group feel they are close to releasing their
draft specification for comment, first inside the OGC and then to the
public. The group is motivated by work on the next generation US Air
Traffic Control system and the need for actors to get regular updates, say
on weather in a flight corridor, over a specific period of time. The
specification provides a different messaging pattern from the standard
request-response pattern used by most OGC web services. The idea is that
some client could subscribe some recipient to a publication stream for a
period of time. They decided that subscriptions should be temporary and
expire. They also decided (but may be reconsidering) that the service
should be setup as a new, separate 'PubSub Service' rather than being an
extension to existing services. They have developed ways for the service to
provide its capabilities including defining its publication offerings and
any supported filtering system for the published messages. I have worked
with that group fairly intensely these past few months, trying to help them
with their writeup (introductory material) and their injunctions. I think
they have understood my ideas and now will have to integrate what of those
they find useful. Hopefully, that document will be released for comment
soon and for public comment thereafter because it may interest some of you.

The MetOcean folk must be very close to final publication of their
recommendations on the use of time and elevation in OGC web services.
Folk from several national meteorological agencies arrived a few years ago
wanting to serve the output of their general circulation models as WMS
layers. However, the results of any particular parameter, say air
temperature or wind speed, are available in many different 'dimensions':
according to the moment being predicted, according to the moment the model
run stopped accepting input data, according to the last moment when this
data should be used for some purpose, and at various heights in the air
column measured in multiple different ways. Since they all use slightly
different language to discuss these 'dimensions' they needed to get on the
same page

[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [OSGeo-Standards] OGC standards

2013-07-10 Thread Ian Edwards

Following the issues that were highlighted during the consultation over
ESRI's GeoServices REST API, OGC is now planning changes to the way that it
operates.  This is an open discussion and they are keen to get input from
projects that implement open standards and also to hear the about the
blockers that you've encountered in the past.

Please see details below...

Ian Edwards
Chair OSGeo:UK

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From: Little, Chris
Sent: 02 July 2013 18:44
To: 'meteo@lists.opengeospatial.org'
Cc: marie-francoise.voidrot; Edwards, Ian; Tandy, Jeremy; Ewen, Charles
Subject: OGC (Self) Improvement Activity
Importance: High

Dear Colleagues

Following recent criticisms of various aspects of OGC's work, a number of
activities have been started, with the intention of producing a draft plan
for change at the Frascati Technical Conference in September 2013 for
implementation thereafter.

An open mailing list
ideas4...@lists.opengeospatial.orgmailto:Ideas4OGC@lists.opengeospatial.o
rg  and wiki
http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/WebHome
 have been set up to collect views from OGC Members and the wider public.
You are strongly  encouraged to express your views, hopefully
constructively, and these will be evaluated, prioritized and validated.
They will then be reviewed and adopted into a plan.

A small Leadership Steering Group has been established to oversee and
facilitate these activities. The current membership is listed on the wiki,
and a few more volunteers are invited, especially from outside North
America, to achieve a global perspective. A number of principles have
already been adopted, such as Openness and Transparency.

There will be an open teleconference next week on 11 July to help collect
views and start the debate. See
https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/register/130711ideas.php

I encourage you to constructively take part and help improve OGC for all
its Members and the geospatial communities.

Chris

Chris Little
Co-Chair, OGC Meteorology  Oceanography Domain Working Group

IT Fellow - Operational Infrastructures
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Carl Reed cr...@opengeospatial.org wrote:

 Allan and Puneet -

 No problem and thanks for the response.

 Under current OGC policies, a couple of differences from even just a
 couple of years ago.

 1. If there is a Standards Working Group (SWG), the group may release an
 in progress standards document for public comment at any time - no need to
 wait for the final formal 30 day comment period. This gets the document out
 early in the process for community comment.
 2. If the specification is broadly implemented, such as GeoRSS is, then a
 facilitated OGC standards track process can be used. In this process, there
 is no SWG and the document can remain public and not disappear into OGC
 internals. There is still a formal review process and a request for
 additional public comment. In this process, which OpenMI is following right
 now, there are no changes to the normative text - only edits - unless an
 error is found.
 3. I agree to a certain extent with the ISO issue. However, we have never
 submitted externally developed standards (NetCDF, GeoSMS, KML, etc) to ISO.
 I do not see this happening in the future unless the majority of the
 submission team wishes to do so. Also, OGC developed standards that are
 submitted to ISO and approved as ISO standards remain freely available on
 the OGC website - no charge. So, even though standards such as WMS and WFS
 are ISO standards and can be purchased from ISO, the exact same documents
 can be downloaded from the OGC website for free. Part of our agreement with
 ISO.
 4. We are now experimenting with community collaboration tools, such as
 GitHub, to enable both member and non-member organizations to collaborate
 on the development of an OGC standard. This allows for a more rapid
 develop, test, and document cycle. GeoPackage SWG has been using this
 approach for some elements of that candidate standard. We need to figure
 out some process and decision issues and hope to do so during the OGC
 meetings in Frascati.

 Puneet -

 In a sense, all OGC standards are community standards. Sure, they go
 through a formal review and approval process in the OGC. However, the
 continued development of externally developed standards, such as OpenMI,
 CityGML and GeoSciML continues in the community sandbox and not necessarily
 in the OGC. Changes are submitted to the OGC using a formal change request
 process. Further, OGC licensing allows anyone to download and use OGC
 standards anyway they wish. They can make derivative works. This is fine.
 Just reference OGC copyright.

 One issue we worry about, and which is part of our policies, has to do

[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G September Invite

2013-06-16 Thread Ian Edwards

In case you missed the news... the FOSS4G Early Bird is remaining open
until this Tuesday (18th June).

If you decided it was too expensive to register then look again:
http://2013.foss4g.org/registration/


*Local Chapter Invitation*

If you're a member of any OSGeo local chapter, OSGeo:UK would like to
invite you to the Local Chapter Meet Up during FOSS4G's Birds of a Feather
sessions.

For details, or if you'd like to take part, email Ian Edwards or update the
relevant section of the 2013 Birds of a Feather wiki
pagehttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2013_BirdsOfAFeather#OSGeo_Local_Chapter_meetup
.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FW: Anymore Contributions for the OSGeo Journal Volume 12?

2013-04-15 Thread Ian Edwards



 The UK's submission for the OSGeo Journal Volume 12 is now online at:
   http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Chapter_Report_2012



 Kind Regards,

 Ian

FOSS4G is coming to the UK in September!
http://2013.foss4g.org


 Ian Edwards
 Chair, OSGeo:UK

 Senior Software Engineer (GIS)
 Met Office  FitzRoy Road  Exeter  Devon  EX1 3PB  United Kingdom

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