Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapLibre

2020-12-16 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 10:50, Luke Seelenbinder
 wrote:
>
> > Does the MapLibre initiative plan to fork the related projects from
> > the mapbox/mapbox-gl-* ecosystem?
>
> We do plan to fork Mapbox GL Native. It's not our initial focus, and we don't 
> have the resources to manage it just yet, but it's definitely in the works.
>
> MapTiler is already working on a fork they plan to release (towards the end 
> of this or early next year), so for the moment, that will be the "official" 
> fork, but if we get community interest, MapTiler has indicated they would be 
> willing to move it to the MapLibre project, if it makes sense. No guarantee 
> it moves to MapLibre yet, but definitely that there will be an active fork 
> going forward.

Luke, thanks for the update, it sounds very good!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapLibre

2020-12-16 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 22:41, Tom Chadwin  wrote:
>
> > Does the MapLibre initiative plan to fork the related projects from
> > the mapbox/mapbox-gl-* ecosystem?
>
> As I understand it,  no, only Mapbox GL JS.

I see.

> Mapbox Native went proprietary a few months ago.

I'm late to the party and still making sense of what is the current
status of the parts of the Mapbox GL ecosystem.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapLibre

2020-12-15 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 21:38, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>
> Hello OSGeo,
>
> Some of you may have heard about yesterday's announcement regarding Mapbox GL 
> JS v2 having a license change[1] from BSD into a closed license. Since Mapbox 
> GL JS v1.13 is still Open Source (BSD), several people forked the main 
> repository to continue with the project.


Does the MapLibre initiative plan to fork the related projects from
the mapbox/mapbox-gl-* ecosystem?

It seems the core dependencies are also being re-licensed [1]
It also seems the Mapbox Maven repositories no longer offer all
dependencies required to build the existing open sources of the Mapbox
ecosystem for mobile platforms [2]

[1] 
https://forum.f-droid.org/t/updated-distribution-license-for-mapbox-mobile-maps-sdk/10201
[2] https://github.com/mapbox/mapbox-gl-native-android/issues/631

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to set SHARE_DIR?

2020-10-06 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 11:47, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 11:04:36 PM EDT Jim Klassen wrote:
> > I wouldn't expect someone to set CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME.  That just
> > seems like a good way to cause issues to me.
> >
> > There is a ~/.local/share directory and a ~/.local/share/applications
> > directory in my home directory that has desktop files in it.  (That might
> > imply using CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/.local is possible but that still
> > seems like it is asking for trouble.)
> >
> > Standard practice is to put the files under
> > ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/ unless the user specifically overrides
> > that.  I consider it hostile behavior when an installer or build system
> > starts putting files outside of the path(s) that I have specified for it.
> > I can make symlinks for files in ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share to
> > ~/.local/share/applications manually if I want to.
>
> My build directories are:

Pierre,

Forgive me if I'm a party killer, but why don't you request OSGeo SAC/Admins
to create a mailing list on https://lists.osgeo.org/ dedicated for your project?

This is "the public list to talk about the Open Source Geospatial
Foundation (OSGeo) in general" with many subscribers who are not
interested in programming or any other low-level technical trivias.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Peer bonus awards for Jo Cook and Jared Morgan

2020-09-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:43, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
>
> Jo Cook and Jared Morgan have been presented with awards for Google's Open 
> Source Peer Bonus Program. The award is a recognition and thank you to people 
> who go above and beyond in their contributions to open source. It also 
> includes a token financial contribution - enough to take the family out for 
> dinner at a nice restaurant.
>
> Well done Jo and Jared, you really deserve it:

Congratulations!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] LAS point clouds in various formats wanted

2020-08-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 at 06:50, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> If you have any other point formats, or versions 1.1 or 1.3,
> please send me links so that I can test the code on them.

https://github.com/libLAS/libLAS/tree/master/test/data
https://github.com/PDAL/PDAL/tree/master/test/data/las

The libLAS test data should include older versions like 1.1

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] License for documentation

2020-02-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:34, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> On Friday, 28 February 2020 09:59:12 EST Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> > Unusual, very.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyNotGPLForManuals

Well, GPL, that explains why I had no idea of such an approach.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] License for documentation

2020-02-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, 15:36 Pierre Abbat,  wrote:

> On Friday, 28 February 2020 02:40:30 EST Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> > Are you considering separate licences, one for source code
> > and one for documentation?
>
> Yes.



Unusual, very.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] License for documentation

2020-02-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:04, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> PerfectTIN has two documentation files: two pages explaining how to use the
> program, and four pages describing the file format (which I just changed, so I
> have to edit the doc). There's no license note in the documentation. Which
> license should I use, and is it sufficient to put a statement of license in 
> the
> files without putting the license itself in them?

Are you considering separate licences, one for source code
and one for documentation?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [IIIF-Discuss] [Agenda] IIIF Community Call 2/26 - Maps

2020-02-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Forwarding IIIF community event info

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2020-02-26 IIIF Maps Community Call

17:00pm CEST / 16:00pm UK / 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST

Zoom link: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/182269022



Please add any discussion items you have for the agenda:



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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [IIIF-Discuss] IIIF Maps Community Group - Kick off meeting

2020-01-13 Thread Mateusz Loskot
FYI

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From: Glen Robson 
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 15:56
Subject: [IIIF-Discuss] IIIF Maps Community Group - Kick off meeting
To: 


Hi All,

I am excited to announce we are starting a new IIIF Community Group to look
at Maps and other Geo related data and its relation to IIIF. There was an
interesting discussion around this in the Ann Arbor meeting and we agreed
that a community group was the best forum to take this forward. We have a
charter available at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XgdGNRQd7HOl7eHAwaedosBZo8kn9DnMkRK7dghZ6ZA/edit?usp=sharing

And we will be holding the kick of meeting this Friday (17th of January)
at 17:00pm CEST / 16:00pm UK / 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST. The agenda for the
meeting on Friday is:

• Announcements
• Discussion on the Charter
• Call for volunteers to chair this group

Full agenda available at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx3G45jd46iTbqsDl5OvYyVfLNYf8N2q-eH3dbs8LwQ/edit?usp=sharing


Please come and join us to start the discussion on forming this exciting
group. If you are interested in volunteering to be a chair but can’t make
the meeting please let me know.

Thanks

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [IIIF-Discuss] Registration for the 5th annual Geo4LibCamp 2020 and IIIF + Maps event is now open

2019-11-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
FYI, the International Image Interoperability Framework community,
https://iiif.io community, is hosting IIIF+Maps meeting

ML

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Subject: [IIIF-Discuss] Registration for the 5th annual Geo4LibCamp
2020 and IIIF + Maps event is now open
To: iiif-disc...@googlegroups.com 

Hi IIIF community,


This event may be relevant to you all, as we will be hosting in
conjunction with Geo4LibCamp a IIIF + Maps meeting aiming to move
forward better support of geospatial data and maps with IIIF.

Geo4LibCamp is a hands-on "unconference" meeting to share
best-practices, solve common problems, and address technical issues
with integrating geospatial data into a repository and associated
services. The main event will be held at Stanford University on
February 3 - 5, 2018 (Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday), with optional
working sessions on February 6-7 (Thursday and Friday). We will also
be hosting a IIIF + Maps meeting on Thursday and Friday. For more
information about the IIIF+Maps meeting and to register please see
http://geo4libcamp.org/iiif+maps_2020/.

We hope to see you there! And please feel free to spread the word
about this event.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/geo4libcamp-2020-tickets-79265068955

https://geo4libcamp.org

Hoping you can attend,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

2017-09-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
> On 09/21/2017 06:45 PM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
>
> I think "Switch2osm" is a very good example how to help migrating to
> non-proprietary tools: https://switch2osm.org/
> I quickly went through their site and as far as I could see, competitor
> names only appear in case studies.

What about names and links to providers:
https://switch2osm.org/providers/

Are they all pure open source or some are open core or
perhaps some just offer SaaS based on completely closed software.
Perhaps they are just buzzwording [1] and perhaps they are not, who knows?
Can I trust them about what their SaaS actually runs?
The fact that a company has hundreds of repos on GitHub does not make
it a pure FOSS company.

I've been part of OSGeo since its early post-birth times and
I've never seen a single person here in the Community having slightest problems
with listing (and linking) proprietary vendors as users, contributors, sponsors.

Mind you (all), Google, ESRI etc. are sponsors of OSGeo major event, the FOSS4G.

Mind you (all), tons of OSGeo LOCs was/is funded with monies streamed
from proprietary vendors.
Let's update the next release installer of PostGIS and label such
non-kosher features like PostGIS Raster to allow FOSS-purist skip
them.

The whole thread feels like an internal scramble for external witch hunt.

[1] http://blog.kathyreid.id.au/2010/07/19/open-source-in-name-only/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

2017-09-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 21 September 2017 at 10:15, Sandro Santilli <s...@kbt.io> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 08:33:05PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
>> How much of your initial concern was providing a link? Or is it just
>> displaying the name (switching to MapInfo for the example here). It would
>> be kind of nice if the it behaved like a keyword, and linked to the project
>> page short listing all the projects that one can migrate to from MapInfo.
>
> It's different degrees of annoyance. I guess a brand-less and
> link-less list of names of proprietary products would not be too
> "offensive" for me (assuming spam filtering lets it pass) but I'd
> still prefer an hidden keyword. Something that you never see written
> but is recognized by the search engine to give you back a similar
> software: you search for  you get .
>
> The "like Photoshop, only better" motto I like even when it contains
> the name because it explicitly bashes it :)

OSGeo Sponsors:

2007:Autodesk,LizardTech,INGRES
2008:Autodesk,LizardTech,INGRES,PCI Geomatics
2009: -//-
2010: -//-
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Sandro, I'm glad you can cope with a name or two, I guess.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Confirm subscription to geoserver-devel. sent from SourceForge.net?

2017-09-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 September 2017 at 23:57, Jorge Sanz <js...@osgeo.org> wrote:
> That was me :)

:-)

> I subscribed (again) Nabble to the list and the mailing list server sent the
> confirmation email to our alias for Nabble. I should have written a follow
> up email, my bad.
>
> Sorry for the confusion Mat!

No problem. Good it's not a security issue.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Confirm subscription to geoserver-devel. sent from SourceForge.net?

2017-09-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 September 2017 at 21:12, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like the reply to is from nabble. Nabble occasional tries presenting
> mailing lists as forums (letting their users post anonymously). We prevent
> this by requiring people to sign up.

That sounds like a viable explanation (should have looked more
carefully at the headers).

> Why would nabble have your details?

Perhaps it's since my Nabble admin admin times
and my e-mail has not been removed from nab...@osgeo.org.

Anyway, thanks Jody

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 8 September 2017 at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.

move the traffic to dedicated electi...@lists.osgeo.org, perhaps ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 8 September 2017 at 11:54, Jeroen Ticheler
<jeroen.tiche...@geocat.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
> that!
>
> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
> the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another 
> way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones 
> inbox?

Jeroen,

Good call.

In previous years, I was arguing about the seconding idleness :)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Seconding Joana Simões Nomination

2017-09-01 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

I'd like to second Joana Simões nomination

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mentors money

2017-08-29 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 29 August 2017 at 06:59, Massimiliano Cannata
<massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
> Jody,
> it was never an option to choose if donating the money or not. Someone
> decided on the past and this option was never asked to mentors...
> I assumed this was part of the game: get one slot by OSGeo and it retains
> the mentor's money...

Wrong assumption. Mentors decided collectively.

I mentored for GDAL during OSGeo's GSoC back in 2007.
I was explicitly asked if I, as mentor, agree to pass the money to OSGeo.
It was Frank Warmerdam (GDAL project manager at the time) or
it was someone else (Tyler Mitchell perhaps),
I lost those emails...


Wait, found it:

[SoC] Windup, and Mentor Summit, Mentor Payments
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2007-August/000173.html

followed up by agreement responses from mentors
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2007-September/thread.html

*That* is how it started.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mentors money

2017-08-29 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 29 August 2017 at 03:36, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mentors can decide what to do with the money they earn through the GSOC
> program; in the past many mentors have accepted the t-shirt and donated the
> money to OSGeo. I know I donated money to OSGeo previously, but was not
> really specific about to any particular project.
>


I recalled, that was/used to be majority of choices.
I did that too.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Flickr OSGeo group admins wanted

2017-08-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 28 August 2017 at 17:07, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Happy to help.

You're in. Thanks.

> I had considered using google photos more now that yahoo has sold. Flickr
> has received a couple improvements recently but we should keep an eye on it
> (both for usability but also respecting the CC-by-A license on our photos).

I don't mind a change, if anyone wants to lead one.

I have never used Google Photos, so I have no idea if it can aggregate
photos from numerous users as Flickr group does.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Flickr OSGeo group admins wanted

2017-08-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 28 August 2017 at 15:54, Jeffrey Johnson <ortel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Happy to help and to 'represent' the marketing committee here.

Done, you're in. Thanks


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Flickr OSGeo group admins wanted

2017-08-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi All,

There are two 'official' OSGeo groups on Flickr:

OSGeo [1] (the community)
FOSS4G [2] (the conference)

Both have been there for very long time now.

While the FOSS4G group is maintained by 7 admin members,
I am the only admin of the OSGeo group.

If anyone wants to join me as OSGeo group admin,
please let me know (include your Flickr username).

There is not much/nothing to do most of the time,
but multiple admins will prevent the potential bus factor
and will help to answer join requests.

[1] https://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeo/
[2] https://www.flickr.com/groups/foss4g/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Orfeo ToolBox Graduates Incubation

2017-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Congratulations OTB!

ML

On 27 Jul 2017 1:01 am, "Jody Garnett"  wrote:

> The Open Source Geospatial Foundation is pleased to announce that Orfeo
> ToolBox (OTB)  has graduated from
> incubation and is now a full fledged OSGeo project.
>
> Orfeo ToolBox (OTB) is an open-source project for state-of-the-art remote
> sensing. Built as part of the open-source geospatial community, Orfeo
> ToolBox can process high resolution optical, multispectral and radar images
> at the terabyte scale. A wide variety of applications are available: from
> ortho-rectification or pansharpening, all the way to classification, SAR
> processing, and much more! All of OTB’s algorithms are accessible as QGIS
> plugins or the Monteverdi visualization tool - or for developers Python,
> command line or C++.
>
> Graduating incubation includes fulfilling requirements for transparent
> community operation, responsible project leadership, code provenance, and
> general good project operation. Graduation allows OSGeo to recommend Orfeo
> ToolBox as example sustainable open source software, giving users and our
> community confidence in the project and the project team.
>
> OSGeo would also like to thank project mentor Landon Blake along with
> Brian Hamlin and Jody Garnett for assistance during the incubation process.
>
> Congratulations to the Orfeo ToolBox community!
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Where to hire a FOSS4G freelane developer?

2017-05-11 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 2017-05-11 9:35 AM, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa wrote:
> Is there any resource within the OSGeo cosmos to help hiring freelance
> developers from our community? For instance, an index of folk certified
> by Arnulf?

Does Arnulf run a certification program?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

2017-03-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 25 March 2017 at 13:01, Paolo Cavallini <cavall...@faunalia.it> wrote:
> Il 25/03/2017 12:56, Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:
>
>> They do, but at the same time, we wouldn't be where we are now
>> in terms of civilisation development. yin/yang
>
> Not quite sure about that: Mateusz, do you have a reference to support this?

It is just my opinion and interpretation of what I have learned about/from
history, state of current affairs.

If there was no Soviet Union and USA, man would have arrived on the Moon
much later than he actually did. I'm certain, but I can't prove it, obviously.

Nobody is asking for reference regarding the misleading practices
implied in the thread.
OP's posed questions vaguely enough to make it impossible to pertain to
with any relevant references.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

2017-03-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 25 March 2017 at 12:54, Sandro Santilli <s...@kbt.io> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 12:43:29PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
>
>> without a secret, there is no technology advancement
>
> I think this is a purely ideological position.
>
> Secrets can generate all kind of deseases, if you ask me :)

They do, but at the same time, we wouldn't be where we are now
in terms of civilisation development. yin/yang

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

2017-03-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 25 March 2017 at 10:17, Suchith Anand <suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> My query was if the term Open can be used for marketing any properitery 
> softwares and platforms and to know if there are any guidelines on this?

Nobody has a monopoly on use of the word.

BTW, without a secret, there is no technology advancement, there is no
motivation for development of counter-technologies.
Mind you, communities and businesses have long recognised without
open, there is no close and vice versa.
Hence, so called business-friendly open source licenses, LocationTech, etc.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

2017-03-20 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 20 March 2017 at 21:02, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've added a line for OSGeo-Live

FYI, I only walked through the ones in the "OSGeo Projects" frame at osgeo.org.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

2017-03-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 20 March 2017 at 00:46, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Geotools SVN has been migrated. The repo is just for historical record.

Fixed. Thanks Jody.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

2017-03-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 20 March 2017 at 00:13, Tom Kralidis <tomkrali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mateusz: great idea and thanks for leading off.
>
> I've made slight updates for pycsw. Should we
> have a column for use of servers like AdhocVM[1] ?

Tom, good idea.

I briefely contemplated CI column with list of CI services used,
but eventually ended up with CI tag in GitHub column.
In majority if not all cases, if a project uses Travis CI/AppVeyor
it does it via GitHub.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

2017-03-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

I've gathered some data about the current use of OSGeo infrastructure
by OSGeo projects, versus use of external services:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo

I'd like to ask members of individual projects to have a look and
apply corrections and updates wherever necessary.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board of Directors elections results

2016-10-05 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

Congratulations all the new board members!

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On 5 October 2016 at 11:17, Suchith Anand
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> Thank you to everyone who participated in the elections.
>
> Congratulations to the new Board.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> 
> From: Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Jorge Sanz 
> <js...@osgeo.org>
> Sent: 05 October 2016 9:59 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; charter-memb...@lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: CRO
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board of Directors elections results
>
> Dear OSGeo community,
>
> These are the results from the 2016 elections[1] for the 4 open
> seats[2]  of the OSGeo Board of Directors. The results in alphabetical
> order are:
>
> * Angelos Tzotsos
> * Maria Antonia Brovelli
> * Michael Smith
> * Vasile Craciunescu
>
> Thanks to all candidates to oging through the elections process.
> Election figures are:
>
> * 78.8% participation (246 of 312)
> * 6 incomplete responses
> * 60 members not opened the voting
>
> There were no scores to arbitrate. Thank you all who voted!!
>
> The complete resulting Board for 2016/2017 is:
>
> * Angelos Tzotsos
> * Anita Graser
> * Helena Mitasova
> * Jody Garnett
> * Maria Antonia Brovelli
> * Michael Smith
> * Sanghee Shin
> * Vasile Craciunescu
> * Venkatesh Raghavan
>
> Maybe it's my impression but is not the most diverse Board we've had?
> Anyway, I will update the wiki pages for the Board of Directors ASAP.
>
> Please congratulate the new OSGeo Directors!
>
> A warm thank you for the outgoing Directors Maxi and Dirk for all your
> efforts for the Foundation, looking forward to keep seeing your hard
> work for the community in many other fronts.
>
> My job as CRO is almost finished now, I will update the wiki with the
> detailed results[3] as soon as possible. I want to give a big thank
> you to everyone for your cooperation but specially to Jeff McKenna for
> his always close look to all my actions fixing small issues and taking
> care of the job when I was absent. I will open a separate thread for a
> couple of discussions about this process and also a small
> retrospective and lessons learnt.
>
> Kind regards
>
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> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2016
> [3] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_2016_Results
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possibly, The End of Gmane

2016-07-29 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 29 July 2016 at 18:26, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
<patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Lars Ingebrigtsen thank you so much for a lifetime of generous giving.
>
> Whatever happens, you have given the world a wonderful gift!

Patrick,

Well said, Lars deserves lots of appreciation.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Possibly, The End of Gmane

2016-07-29 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

Since many of OSGeo members use Gmane, this is relevant

Gmane has been under attack and Lars, the founder of Gmane,
is considering to shut it down:

https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Udacity: Data Wrangling with MongoDB + OSM

2016-06-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

I've stumbled upon a course that might be of interest here

https://www.udacity.com/course/data-wrangling-with-mongodb--ud032

It concludes with OSM project:

"""
Choose any area of the world in https://www.openstreetmap.org and use
data munging
techniques, such as assessing the quality of the data for validity,
accuracy, completeness,
consistency and uniformity, to clean the OpenStreetMap data for a part
of the world
that you care about.
"""

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra request (OsgeoID)

2016-05-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 19 May 2016 at 15:30, Yves Jacolin <yjaco...@free.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What is a mantra? Sorry for so this naive question :)

http://www.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/ldap_create_user.py

See the note starting with "Due to..."

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] remove from mailing list

2016-05-16 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 16 May 2016 at 10:13, oshanisinga <oshanisi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please be kind enough to take me off the mailing list

Please, you can do it yourself here
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

At the bottom, follow "To unsubscribe from Discuss, "

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent dictator" projects into OSGeo?

2016-05-11 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 11 May 2016 at 10:56, Peter Baumann <p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> while OSGeo and rasdaman share the strive for quality we come from different
> approaches: OSGeo believes in the power of committees and strong regulation
> whereas rasdaman has a culture of unbureaucratic, technocracy based
> collaboration.

Then, I don't understand why rasdaman entered the incubation in the first place.
It sounds like a complete waste of efforts.

http://www.osgeo.org/faq
"PSC should operate openly and with a consensus based approach(...)
A benevolent dictatorship is not considered a suitable open and
consensus based approach to governance."


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

2016-04-15 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 15 April 2016 at 14:51, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 02:21:22PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
>
>> Finally, GitHub, wins: feature-wise, marketing-wise, with 'zero' maintenance
>> - most, if not all, of our projects already prefer GitHub.
>
> 1. marketing wasn't in your 10 points ?

No, this refers to Jody's point(s).

> 2. 'zero' maintainance is true for any hosted solution (including
>gitlab.com, for example).

Just that being officially on GitLab does not equal being officially on GitHub.
Again, relates to the marketing point.
I also think that one of the major reasons OSGeo teams began move to GitHub
is because they "want to be where the developers [currently] are".

>> The only reason we haven't done it already is the cost.
>
> Done what ?

Moved to GitHub.

> Most projects don't need private repositories so could
> move at no cost. Or you mean the cost of having LDAP authentication ?

I mean non-technical reasons as that is what drives the move.

>> Let's allocate budget for paid account.
>
> Are you willing to collect quotes for hosted git service plans
> meeting all of your 10 features above ?


No and no need for any research.
There is just one player worth to consider, GitHub,
and the price is known (e.g. $200/month).

> Personally I wouldn't like to see an "open source" foundation pay for
> services based on "closed source" software

Personally, as long as policy and statements the foundation and its members
make are clear and consistent, I don't care.

> but I guess there are open
> source based companies offering hosted services too.

It does not matter.
Assuming dropping self-hosted solution is an option,
and looking at the current portfolio of OSGeo projects which
moved to and actively rely on this GitHub,
GitHub is only sensible place to move to.


>> However, the very first question is still open:
>> Do we want or need to switch at all?
>> Are all teams happy with the OSGeo SVN+Trac setup?
>
> I guess this needs to be an individual question, not a per-team one.

There needs to be team-based agreement.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

2016-04-15 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 15 April 2016 at 09:52, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
> What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

My 10 features are:

1. LDAP (log in with OSGeo User ID or OpenID)
2. Private repositories
3. Organizations (e.g./GDAL)
4. User space (fork /GDAL/gdal into /mloskot/gdal, also private fork)
5. Issue tracker (internal, as external would never be as well integrated)
-- Milestones, labels/categories, commit keywords (e.g. Fixes #123)
-- Comment issues via mail is not critical, but nice.
6. Wiki (internal, see above)
7. Code review (comments on diff lines is a minimum)
8. Pull requests
9. CI (integration with Travis CI and AppVeyor is a minimum)
10. Webhooks and any other mean to integrate with IRC, Gitter, Slack,
whatever teams like to use.

The comparison table [1] so far, I think, makes it clear GitLab is the only
self-hosted solution which is close to what we've got now: Subversion + Trac.
It also matches my 10 points.

Gogs wins due to low*** maintenance requirements,
but it will require custom development what, I think,
is a deal breaker - we have NO resources for this.

GitLab wins feature-wise, but its maintenance might turn
very demanding***. If bigger hassle than SVN+Trac this
also might be deal breaker - we have VERY limited resources.

***We need to allocate budget for admins!



Finally, GitHub, wins: feature-wise, marketing-wise, with 'zero' maintenance
- most, if not all, of our projects already prefer GitHub.
The only reason we haven't done it already is the cost.
Let's allocate budget for paid account.
Let's negotiate with GitHub a discount, we are not 501(c)(3), but we
are 501(c)(4).


However, the very first question is still open:
Do we want or need to switch at all?
Are all teams happy with the OSGeo SVN+Trac setup?

[1]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GitInfrastructureComparison

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Buildbot resurrection, again (was: how did the Paris code sprint go)

2016-03-08 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 8 March 2016 at 19:42, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 03:32:54PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> I second the idea of build boxes being very important to the well being of
>> projects. I was not aware that OSGeo had been running one, or that it had
>> been taken away.
>
> It was set up by Mateusz, did run wonderfully and got later
> discontinued during some sort of upgrade, I think.

AFAIR, it was combination of resources shortage, migration from
Peer1 to new infrastructure, etc...and the gradual duty take over by
the Travis CI/AppVeyor and alike

> He can surely add some more info. Chances are there's still a
> configuration around, possibly even under revision control.

https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/buildbot/

> Right now we have nothing ready to offer to those users that would
> like to donate some of their machines time to ensure PostGIS works
> on their system.

Has there been any poll to see what is potential number of such nodes
willing to connect?

>> Sandro we are setting up priorities for the foundation, I really encourage
>> you to take part and submit a PostGIS build box as an idea. I know the real
>> stop gap is volunteer time, I would hope such a useful idea would attract
>> people.
>
> I recall the OSGeo buildbot was not postgis-specific.
> Mateusz did layout a flexible configuration serving multiple projects.

It was flexible, but still not optimal.
However, IMHO, features offered to required resources ratio would never
beat what FOSS projects have got offered by Travis CI/AppVeyor.

I have already expressed my opinion [1] that I see resurrection of
OSGeo Buildbot a waste of resources.

Even OSGeo hosted GitLab + GitLab CI does not seem resource
efficient, unless majority of OSGeo projects say they would move
from OSgeo SVN (and GitHub too).

No critical mass, nothing to discuss.

[1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1214#comment:3

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

2016-03-08 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 8 March 2016 at 12:19, Oliver Courtin <olivier.cour...@oslandia.com> wrote:
> Le 8 mars 2016 à 09:34, Sandro Santilli a écrit :
>>
>> Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated [..]
>> but is just to stress out that it doesn't
>> take being in the same room at the same time to move a project forward.
>
> Obviously we tried to get some fun (in Paris). And hope we did.
>
> But real point is to share time together with projects in mind.
> Point is to strengthen, again, devs community.

Oliver,

I've done it in person but I'd like to repeat here too:
you've done amazing job organizing the Paris sprint.

It was a perfect combination of work and fun which also,
AFAIS, was very productive event for the numerous projects.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo/LocationTech relationship

2015-11-16 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 16 November 2015 at 23:11, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I was to sum up the difference in outlook between the two organizations
> today it would more be along the lines of LocationTech being "developer
> focused" and OSGeo being "user focused'. I think that is more a reflection
> of where the projects involved are in their incubation process that any
> strategic difference.

Jody,

I have to admit, to me as OSGeo member as developer (+SAC supporter),
this whole thread has not clarified almost nothing.

As much as I appreciate (and carefully read through) all your inputs,
that summary leaves me with even more questions.

And, BTW, I agree with you about the FAQ, it also reads naive and silly
(e.g. comparing Apache vs Mozilla, two different scopes, to
LocationTech vs OSGeo,
two with clear overlap).

Putting all the emotional cream whipped so far aside and objectively,
clearly, that it is all about potential, capacity and market share.

OSGeo has proved its potential, it is capable to paddle its own canoe
for a decade or more,
via large self-organized community and successful projects.

LocationTech is a fairly new player with huge & rich organization behind,
that has to prove it's capable to secure market share, and its position.
Otherwise, the parent organization will simply shut it down as any
failed project.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 11:53, Paragon Corporation <l...@pcorp.us> wrote:
>
> Many of them would prefer OSGEO hosting (and preferably git over svn)
> because why force someone to get a github account just to put in a bug
> report or submit a patch.

Such barrier for ad-hoc contributors, not only on GitHub but our Trac too,
could potentially be removed by allowing a hybrid authentication
(i.e. sign in to Trac w/ your existing account on other social services),
if Trac provides support for that.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo thoughts on discussion/collaboration platform hosting

2015-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 14:16, Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Along the lines of code hosting, do we want to think about some kind of
> OSGeo hosted Slack-like service for the community / projects, eg
> MatterMost, RocketChat, etc?

Personally, IRC has served me well, but recently I started appreciating
communication channels like Gitter. I see, people may prefer chats like that.
By the way https://gitter.im/OSGeo.

For a GitHub-hosted project, I see how Gitter may be valuable for discussions
about issues, PRs, with easy linking to those artefacts, with archived logs,
but without polluting issues/PRs with too many comments.
Too much brainstorming in comments to issues/PRs may easily become
maintenance nightmare.

> I wanted to start this as a separate topic although a lot of these
> alternatives are based on git or gitlab so its a very related discussion.
>
> What would be useful to OSGeo projects?

Yes, I guess so.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 08:41, Andrea Aime <andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it> wrote:
>
> In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather
> evident we got more people contributing right the moment we did the
> switch
> [...]
> There is however a downside of that, most of these contributions are "one 
> time gigs",
> people help addressing the particular pitfall concerning them and then they 
> move on:
> github did not change the number of core developers, it just increased a lot 
> the
> number of other contributors.
>
> This kind of automation is also rather beneficial to filter our bad 
> contributions... which is
> the dark side of lower contribution barrier, core devs have to spend quite 
> some time evaluating
> pull requests... but ending up with a long queue of them gives a bad 
> impression about the project
> openness. So yeah, another bit to consider I guess, is the project ready to 
> take on them?

I can confirm Andrea's observations.
I have observed very similar trends since moving one of OSS projects
from SourceForge to GitHub.
From an ad-hoc contributor POV, the SourceForge infrastructure was
unfriendly, badly designed,
with lack of proper UX approach. Switch to the "awesome UX" platform
like GitHub released
those dormant potential.

The new benefits introduced new costs in peer reviews and maintenance.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 12:08, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:41:12AM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote:
>>
>> There is another benefit of moving to Github, which is build checks on pull
>> requests,
>
> Yes, this is something we unfortunately lost on OSGeo.
> We used to have buildbot running to that extent, but lack of volunteers
> made that experience come to an end.

This needs clarification.

We never had *it* as proper CI and at even comparable scale as it is
offered by Travis CI, AppVeyor and others.

We had tried CI mode for Buildbot with builds triggered by commits,
but we also observed it was killing our resoruces.

Comparing CI services via GitHub/BitBucket/etc. with OSGeo Buildbot
makes little sense. I'm inclined to judge, we can not afford to host CI
for all OSGeo projects at comparable scale OSS-friendly CI services can.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 October 2015 at 10:22, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
> Given the number of OSGeo projects that are moving their code outside
> of OSGeo infrastructure, Mateusz Loskot on IRC suggested to include
> guidelines about what is or ins't accepted as a code repository
> hosting for OSGeo projects.

To clraify, the suggestion was inspired by this article and
what Eclise Foundation proposed in their FAQ:
http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/06/20/eclipse-github/

Typical incubation questionnaire asks something like this:

"If you do not intend to host any portion of this project using the OSGeo
infrastructure, why should you be considered a member project..."

So, perhaps it would be better to clarify hosting
freedoms/requirements in advance.

> Of course the ethical criteria is orthogonal to the strategic
> arguments about having code hosted on or off OSGeo infrastructure.

Also, as the latest discussion about GitHub revealed, there is number of
practical features that make hosting alternatives more attractive.

Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community
about their hosting needs/preferences.
Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git,
improving Trac, and overall improvements.
Those efforts might be wasted, in case projects will move to GitHub.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 October 2015 at 21:34, Anita Graser <anitagra...@gmx.at> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:06:54PM +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
>> > On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" <mate...@loskot.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > What about the projects which are already on Github?
>>
>> They hadn't wasted any effort, because no effort existed...
>
> Projects which moved to Github at some point spent effort to both make the
> decision and make the move. Granted, no effort on OSGeo side might have been
> wasted.

Let's imagine, all projects move to GitHub, then it affects OSGeo infrastructure
which becomes obsolete. Also, for some/many, move to GitHub may be
controversial, depending on actual (F)OSS-orientation of the community members.
So, IMO, wider discussion is not that pointless.

>> Anyway, the request is to the OSGeo board to clarify requisites of hosting
>> for OSGeo projects.
>
> I'm trying to understand the direction this discussion is going since I
> might not be aware of the full background story. Are you expressing a wish
> for stricter hosting guidelines? Or would you simply want clarification,
> even if that means OSGeo takes a very "everything goes" position?

I'd like to clarify my part of the discussion, which began as informal
chat on IRC,
since Sandro called my name, here is the story:

1. PostGIS is considering switch to Git, so they started discussing
git.osgeo.org vs GitHub.
2. Sandro prefers the idea of git.osgeo.org, so he started working
with SAC towards
setting up git.osgeo.org hosting, Trac integration, etc.
3. Regardless, PostGIS team is leaning towards GitHub.
4. Some of OSGeo projects have already moved to GitHub.
5. I started asking if Sandro's & SAC efforts to set up git.osgeo.org
make any sense,
if it is not going to be wasted energy - in case OSGeo projects stick
to SVN or move to GitHub.
6. Sandro does not mind and has been pressing on
7. I pointed out, that it is not about wasting energy of an individual
volunteer, there is more to consider,
especially, if all stars on the skyp indicate so far, that just
PostGIS (what is still unsure)
is going to use git.osgeo.org

Once Sandro has completed setting up git.osgeo.org infrastructure, who
is going to maintain it?
If SAC is going to inherit that baby, has SAC agreed to take it over
and invest time on keeping it up
and running? It is going to be one (or more) services extra to keep up
to date, secure, monitor,
back up, migrate, etc.

Bottom-up approach is a fantastic thing, but it drags certain
consequences that need to be considered.

So, I proposed that we (SAC) should survey the Community about their
hosting needs and ask
if git.osgeo.org is something we actually need, if there are any
projects interested in actually using it.

If yes, do we need plain Git installation, Git+Trac or perhaps GitLab?
If not, then why?
If not, because projects prefer GitHub, BitBucket, etc. then perhaps
OSGeo should
explicitly allow that and, perhaps, let SAC to actively maintain
organization accounts
on those external hosting services.

Unless, we as an established organization do not Wild Wild West approach,
we may need to clarify some answers.

Finally, after reading about similar experiences [1] at
Eclipse/Apache, I think this issue
is related to the recent "OSGeo is becoming irrelevant" thread too, so
it may be something
to make the Board concerned about.

[1] http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/06/20/eclipse-github/

I hope it makes more sense now.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 Oct 2015 17:06, "Anita Graser" <anitagra...@gmx.at> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" <mate...@loskot.net> wrote:
> >
> > Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community
> > about their hosting needs/preferences.
> > Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git,
> > improving Trac, and overall improvements.
> > Those efforts might be wasted, in case projects will move to GitHub.
>
> What about the projects which are already on Github?

Nothing. I'm not proposing any changes.
I'm asking questions myself.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

2015-10-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 14 October 2015 at 16:20, Barry Rowlingson
<b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Sandro Santilli <s...@keybit.net> wrote:
>
>> The tone was "suprised" and "disappointed".
>>
>> Does advertising proprietary software solutions
>> on OSGeo website count as "championing" for its cause ?
>> I wouldn't expect that from my Open Source Compass.
>>
>> Or am I being misleaded by the lack of info on the net about
>> the software names found on that osgeo page ?
>
>  Proprietary software companies are big users of open source geo. Many
> of them give back in different ways - some by developing open source
> software alongside their proprietary code, some by patching and
> contributing to community projects, and some by throwing money at us
> [1].

Yes, indeed.

It may be also worth to observe the differences between FOSS vs OSS,
and that there is no mention of "Free" on the http://www.osgeo.org front page.
Please, notice there is OSI, not FSF, logo on
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

2015-10-06 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
>  wrote:
> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > here goes...
> >
> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Get off my lawn.
>
>
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html

The decade passed makes it to late, init?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

2015-10-06 Thread Mateusz Loskot
s/OSGEO/OSGeo/ :)

On 6 Oct 2015 23:11, "Paragon Corporation" <l...@pcorp.us> wrote:
>
> We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It
speaks to me on so many levels.
>
>
>
> In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone
has gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of
anybody's time.
>
>
>
> As Jeff noted, there are other ways to elevate the OSGEO name without
making the conference name OSGEO and really the message we want to give
involves both
>
>
>
> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
> To: Paul Ramsey <pram...@cleverelephant.ca>
> Cc: osgeo-discuss <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey" <pram...@cleverelephant.ca> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
> > <b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> > > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > > here goes...
> > >
> > > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> >
> > Get off my lawn.
> >
> >
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html
>
> The decade passed makes it to late, init?
> Mateusz Łoskot
> (Sent from mobile)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

2015-10-06 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 6 October 2015 at 17:48, Gert-Jan van der Weijden <gert-...@osgeo.nl> wrote:
> If FOSS4G is meant to be an event exclusively organized by OSGeo then a
> rebrand to to OSGeo conference makes perfect sense.

Folks,

I'd like to remind us history of FOSS4G and its name:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G

FOSS4G was not born by, but it FOSS4G started independently.

FOSS4G is not a new conference, and its name is well-established.

IMO, any confuson is artificial.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

2015-10-01 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 1 October 2015 at 13:20, Bart van den Eijnden <bart...@osgis.nl> wrote:
> Before going to this trouble, we should check if there is an actual demand 
> among projects?

Indeed. Besides, projects which have already adopted GitHub
may not be willing to switch again.
I actually doubt it.

My comment is just a bit of wish that some purists would change their tone.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2015] Board of Directors elections results

2015-09-30 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 30 September 2015 at 14:42, Jeroen Ticheler
<jeroen.tiche...@geocat.net> wrote:
> Indeed, a very warm welcome to the new board!
> And thanks to the other electable candidates for standing and to Vasile for 
> facilitating the process!

Congratulations, indeed!

Vasile thanks for the great job, and support :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

2015-09-30 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 30 September 2015 at 07:20, Paolo Cavallini <cavall...@faunalia.it> wrote:
> Il 30/09/2015 02:04, Jody Garnett ha scritto:
>
>> I think that the Github move is hazardous. Sure, it is easy, free
>> for open-source projects, and really really cool. Granted, it helps
>> a lot in getting fluid contributions to open-source projects. But
>> ... in two years, they may start shipping sponsors links at the end
>> of the Readme files, and in a moments notice you have to watch 20
>> seconds ads before cloning. At this point, you will want to bail
>> out, only to find out that in fact you can not, because you can not
>> delete the project anymore, or the issue tracker database can not be
>> exported ...
>>
>>
>> Not much of a problem here, since git means each developer has a copy of
>> the whole project. I know we had the same story with SourceForge ...
>
> I think the concerns about GH are real. I feel uneasy putting strategic
> pieces of infrastructure in the hands of a company is risky over the
> long term. It is true that we have a copy of the whole code base and
> history, but the scenarios suggested are possible and worrisome.

There is also another aspect of the "All move to GitHub, now!" trend,
less obvious than technical ones, I guess.

On one side, OSGeo is FOSS advocate and we advocate it loud.
via numerous keynote speaches given at events around the World.
On the other, we gradually move to proprietary infrastructure based
on non-FOSS, namely GitHub.

The two sides clash, don't they?
People may get confused.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership consultations

2015-08-03 Thread Mateusz Loskot
I have filled the survey matching my answers ad close to my views as
possible but I also give +1 to agree with Frank's comments
3 sie 2015 18:39 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com napisał(a):

 Folks,

 For what it's worth, I also do not feel comfortable with completing
 the survey as it is currently structured as the structure forces me to
 give answers that don't really represent my views.

 For what it's worth I am in favor of:
  - a modest number of charter members using something like the current
 process
  - open membership
  - no manditory membership fees
  - make every effort to treat regular members the same as charter
 members except for the minimum voting stuff required to be legally
 distinct.

 Best regards,
 Frank



 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jim Klassen klassen...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have been involved in the MapServer and GeoMoose projects since before
  OSGeo existed.  I remember the founding of OSGeo and the heated
  discussions that took place to define the direction OSGeo would take.
  The future of OSGeo and how it interacts with its members is very
  important to me.
 
  However, as a charter member, this current discussion and particularly
  the survey has me confused as to how I should respond.
 
  For starters: Should I be taking the survey now or waiting for it to be
  improved?  Where are the results of this survey going?  Does this survey
  count as an official vote(s)?
 
  On 08/03/2015 05:16 AM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
  Dear Bruce, Steve, Even, Peter, Dan and others,
 
  Sorry for replying so late. I'm in vacation with limited Internet
  access. Personally, I agree with many of your points. However, as
  Steven already pointed out, we had a few days of open discussions on
  the survey before sending to our Charter members. Somehow I expected
  that our Charter members are subscribed on the discuss and board
  mailing list and following the topics there. Perhaps we need a
  dedicated mailing list for our Charter members or the invitation to
  comment on the survey should be also sent individually to all our
  Charter members. Not sure about the right approach. Anyway, please
  keep in mind that this is the first time we are polling our members
  and we still have to learn and adjust our communication skills.
 
  Now, regarding the survey. The main point was to find the best method
  to select our Charter members. This is an ongoing discussion for many
  years. The survey included the previous voting options and some new
  proposals. Then, some people suggested to use this opportunity to
  include additionally questions regarding the future of OSGeo
  membership. That's how the survey was created. The survey is really
  flawed if is not connected with the discussions on the board and
  discuss mailing lists. Different people, different angles, different
  opinions... But only a fraction of our members expressed their
  ideas/questions/opinions before assembling the survey. That's why the
  survey looks heterogeneous. I did my best to merge similar topics and
  not to include redundant questions. I also did not remove any question
  based on my own judgement. Anyway, I find this exercise very useful
  for our community. We should discuss further to keep our organization
  on the right track.
 
  Warm regards from the sunny Black Sea coast!
  Vasile
 
  PS I'm slowly catching up will all the emails on this thread (most of
  them privately sent). I'll get back when I have the full picture.
 
  On 7/31/15 3:07 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
  Hi Vassile,
 
  This survey appears to be flawed.
 
  I applaud your efforts to bring this issue to a head, but I'm not
  convinced
  that we'll get valid results from the survey.
 
 
  In my case:
 
  I believe that there should be open membership for any interested,
  perhaps
  with a membership fee.
 
  I also see the value of recognising key contributors voted through some
  meritocracy process as the current Charter Membership allows, with this
  group having a voting responsibility. This is in essence not very
  different
  from the concept of a 'committers' group within an open source
  project. I
  don't really care if the name 'Charter Membership' is changed.
 
 
  However the survey appears to lead people into a binary situation where
  they believe in 'open' or 'closed' with 'closed' apparently assigned to
  those favouring 'Charter Membership'.
 
 
  For example:
 
  I'd like to vote NO to 'Should OSGeo move from the actual elected
  Charter
  member model to an (open) regular membership?'
 
  But, YES to 'If you agree with the OSGeo regular membership, do you
 also
  agree with a low annual membership fee?'
 
  However, I'm precluded from doing so, because I answered NO to Q1.
 
  For Question 4, I would like to answer both:
 
  - YES for Open, in the context that everyone interested should be
  able to
  participate in discussions and the OSGeo Community (perhaps having
  paid a
  membership fee); and
 
  - YES for 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] About Interactive Map patent application by Apple Inc.

2013-12-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 21 December 2013 21:15, Brent Wood pcr...@pcreso.com wrote:

 Click on two points to display a route, touch two points to display a route
 - this is natural progression from mouse based hardware to touch screen
 mode. There should not be any patent there, it is just a generic change in
 pointing device.

User can type a word to 'feed' computer with input,
user can speak... - this is natural progression from
keyboard to voice operation of a HID.

IANAL, and I'm very far from being supportive to the patent in subject,
but I sense such reasoning would be easy to reject at court.


 Shock, horror - could OSGEO join with ESRI to contest this?

You mean, OSGeo. Perhaps, a letter with formal protest is technically possible.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons

2013-11-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Wilko Quak is sending SQL script related to the thread:

Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-October/012509.html

Mateusz

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From: Wilko Quak c.w.q...@tudelft.nl
Date: 14 November 2013 15:16
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid
and Clean Polygons
To: Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net
Cc: Paul Ramsey pram...@cleverelephant.ca, discuss@lists.osgeo.org,
Wilko Quak w.q...@otb.tudelft.nl, Peter van Oosterom
p.j.m.vanooste...@tudelft.nl, Theo Tijssen
t.p.m.tijs...@tudelft.nl


Hi All,

Maybe it's a bit late but I found the PostGIS sql script that we used
10 years ago. I'll attach the old script that we used at the time.
With a little bit of work it should run on a current version of
PostGIS.

Best wishes, Wilko Quak

Ps. I cannot send messages to the OSGeo-Discuss mailing list, so if
the discussion is still relevant could someone forward it?



 On 27 October 2013 22:04, Wilko Quak c.w.q...@tudelft.nl wrote:

 Hi All,

 The paper is from 2005

 Yes, that's what Springer says:

 http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26772-7_1

 and uses PostGIS 0.6.2.

 I see,  I missed that important detail.

 I am not sure whether PostGIS
 had an ST_IsValid function at the time. Anyway when I am back in the office
 I'll try to find the original scripts.

 That would be helpful, thanks!

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SELECT DropGeometryColumn('quak', 'test_polygon', 'geom');
drop table test_polygon;

create table test_polygon (id varchar(5));
SELECT AddGeometryColumn('quak', 'test_polygon', 'geom', -1, 'POLYGON', 2 );
-- tolerance 4000 units

insert into test_polygon values ('1a', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 
19200))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('1b', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 2 4200, 8300 15000, 19200 3, 33300 
19200))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('2', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (25000 13300, 17500 13300, 17500 19200, 25000 19200, 25000 13300))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('3', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (22500 11700, 16700 11700, 16700 15800, 22500 15800, 22500 11700),
  (23300 19200, 17500 19200, 17500 23300, 23300 23300, 23300 19200))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('4a', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (22500 15000, 13750 15000, 13750 22500, 22500 22500, 22500 15000))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('4b', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 13750 22500, 22500 22500, 22500 15000, 
  13750 15000, 13750 22500, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('5', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (2 13300, 14200 13300, 14200 17500, 2 17500, 2 13300),
  (25800 17500, 2 17500, 2 21700, 25800 21700, 25800 17500))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('6', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (2 15800, 13314 15800, 13314 21900, 2 21900, 2 15800),
  (24200 12500, 2 12500, 2 15800, 24200 15800, 24200 12500),
  (27500 15800, 24200 15800, 24200 20800, 27500 20800, 27500 15800))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('7', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 13300 21700, 18300 18300, 25000 18300,
  25000 13300, 18300 13300, 18300 18300, 13300 21700, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 
  33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('8', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 13300 21700, 18300 18300, 25000 18300,
  25000 13300, 18300 13300, 18300 18300, 5800 26800, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 
  33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('9', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (22500 15800, 10698 18300, 14840 24000, 22500 15800))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('10', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('11', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 28300 23300, 38300 27500, 28300 23300, 
  19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('12', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 24200 25800, 21700 15800, 24200 25800, 
  19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('13', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (3 19200, 2 19200, 2 26700, 3 26700, 3 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('14a', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons

2013-11-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi Wilko,

Thank you!

Your post has been forwarded to OSGeo-Discuss:
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-November/012529.html

Regards,
Mateusz

On 14 November 2013 15:16, Wilko Quak c.w.q...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 Hi All,

 Maybe it's a bit late but I found the PostGIS sql script that we used 10
 years ago. I'll attach the old script that we used at the time. With a
 little bit of work it should run on a current version of PostGIS.

 Best wishes, Wilko Quak

 Ps. I cannot send messages to the OSGeo-Discuss mailing list, so if the
 discussion is still relevant could someone forward it?



 On 27 October 2013 22:04, Wilko Quak c.w.q...@tudelft.nl wrote:

 Hi All,

 The paper is from 2005

 Yes, that's what Springer says:

 http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26772-7_1

 and uses PostGIS 0.6.2.

 I see,  I missed that important detail.

 I am not sure whether PostGIS
 had an ST_IsValid function at the time. Anyway when I am back in the
 office
 I'll try to find the original scripts.

 That would be helpful, thanks!

 Best regards,





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons

2013-10-30 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

It seems that Peter van Oosterom's e-mail with the SQL script attachment
hasn't made it to the Discuss list, so I'm forwarding it here.

Mat

On 30 October 2013 20:45, Markus Neteler nete...@osgeo.org wrote:
 Hi Mateusz,

 the scripts weren't added... SVN hosting might be the best?

 ciao
 Markus

 On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote:
 On 28 October 2013 00:31, Peter van Oosterom - OTB - TBM
 p.j.m.vanooste...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 Dear all,

 Quite sure the results are correct for PostGIS.
 The work was done in first half of 2003; see publication pdf's on 
 http://www.gdmc.nl/publications/
 PostGIS (and others) did much improve the years shortly after!
 Please find attached the test script.

 Peter,

 Not commenting on PostGIS capabilities at that time, but thank you
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons

2013-10-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 28 October 2013 00:31, Peter van Oosterom - OTB - TBM
p.j.m.vanooste...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 Dear all,

 Quite sure the results are correct for PostGIS.
 The work was done in first half of 2003; see publication pdf's on 
 http://www.gdmc.nl/publications/
 PostGIS (and others) did much improve the years shortly after!
 Please find attached the test script.

Peter,

Not commenting on PostGIS capabilities at that time, but thank you
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons

2013-10-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 October 2013 22:04, Wilko Quak c.w.q...@tudelft.nl wrote:
 Hi All,

 The paper is from 2005

Yes, that's what Springer says:

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26772-7_1

 and uses PostGIS 0.6.2.

I see,  I missed that important detail.

 I am not sure whether PostGIS
 had an ST_IsValid function at the time. Anyway when I am back in the office
 I'll try to find the original scripts.

That would be helpful, thanks!

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons

2013-10-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

In the paper About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons [1], on page 11,
there is a collection of test polygons used by the authors.

Does anyone happen to know where can I find a complete dataset or
a form of data definition (WKT, GML, etc.)  with those test polygons?

[1] 
http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/9783540226109-c1.pdf

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [coursera] Image and video processing

2013-10-05 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

On Jan 20th 2014, the coursera starts the course on image processing,
tools and algorithms. I think this may be of someone's interest here as well:

https://www.coursera.org/course/images

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 23 September 2013 20:35, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote:
 what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, and
 therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite
 interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an 
 alternative
 route; etc.).

Paolo,
Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
to package FOSS for Windows,
I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm afraid
(I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
contributions that I make after hours).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 23 September 2013 22:49, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote:
 2013/9/23 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net

 Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
 to package FOSS for Windows,
 I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm
 afraid
 (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
 contributions that I make after hours).


 Mateusz,

 No worries, CoApp seems to be a compelling way that I'm also in favour of.

Thanks Tamas.

 I'll do some tests soon and let us see how the things will go.

There is #coapp channel on Freenode, Garrett 'FearTheCowboy' Serack is
a very nice guy, I'm sure he will be helpful.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future

2013-09-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 21 September 2013 23:35, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote:

 And so on (anyone is welcomed to add further experiences or ideas)

I think it may be worth to remind about CoApp:

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/osgeo4w-dev/2013-April/002168.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Freedom Day - Today Saturday September 21, 2013

2013-09-20 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 21 September 2013 00:58, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 I just found out that Today Saturday September 21, 2013 is Software Freedom
 Day around the world.

 More info at http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/

Have a pint or three over there in Nottingham :)

(_)? (_)? (_)?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Has PostGIS in Action gone free?

2013-09-10 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 10 September 2013 13:54, Eduardo Kanegae eduardo.kane...@gmail.com wrote:
 I bought the printed version of this great book and its website
 generate a PDF access but it's clearly for the book owner.

 Haven't heard about any changes on this pdf licensing.

Indeed.

The book has been removed from the server now.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] congrats to the new board members

2013-09-07 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 7 Sep 2013 22:04, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote:

 Dear all,

 as the new board has been completed I would like to congratulate all
candidates for just being there (this is the most important in open
communities) and to those elected I wish a fruitful year!

I'd like to join Dimitris congratulations to newly elected board members
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Has PostGIS in Action gone free?

2013-09-06 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Folks,

I've just stumbled across this curious encounter while searching the Web
for some PostGIS-related keywords:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mloskot/9684613809/

The complete book published here:

http://gvsig-argentina.org.ar/curso/

It doesn't feel legally straight, so shouldn't we OSGeo be more considerate?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The OSGeo response to the proposed GeoServices REST API document [was: Would you be concerned ...]

2013-05-10 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 10 May 2013 18:40, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5/10/13 12:25 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
 Adrian Custer wrote:
 On 5/9/13 2:33 PM, Tim Bowden wrote:

 On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 13:20 -0300, Adrian Custer wrote:

 Hey Cameron, all,

 ...

 * The letter is only rejection of the proposal without offering an
   alternative way forwards.


 I strongly suspect the proposed standard would have received a much
 better reception from the broader OSGeo community (with the diverse
 viewpoints it typically has) if the proposal was more that a take it or
 leave it (partial?) description of what ESRI has done and is going to
 do anyway.


 Out of curiosity, how does this compare to the process by which KML
 became an OGC standard?


 That was the first really contentious issue I experienced at the OGC. It is
 related to the current situation in that the KML experience seems to have
 encouraged ERSI to try to push GeoServices through.


Indeed.

The whole discussion is more like a cry over spilled milk.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Outercurve Open Source Software Conference 2013

2013-04-12 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

I'm forwarding this news as there may be some folks interested.
The OuterConf 2013 is first FOSS conference organised
by the Outercurve Foundation (http://www.outercurve.org/),
originated from Microsoft they runs CodePlex

Details here:
http://www.regonline.com/builder/site/Default.aspx?EventID=1224520

From technical point, there will be a debate about packaging
open source software for Windows: NuGet vs CoApp.
The last project was started by Microsoft.
For Windows users at OSGeo (i.e. OSGeo4W), I think CoApp
has great potential to become RPM or deb equivalent [1],
and give the public freedom from DLL hell as well as Cygwin,
MSys and other such prosthesis.

[1] 
http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Garrett-Serack-Open-Source-on-Windows-and-the-CoApp-Project

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo as organization at Ohloh?

2013-03-15 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 15 March 2013 15:46, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 OSGeoLive is missing from the list ;)
 https://www.ohloh.net/p/OSGeo-Live/

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo as organization at Ohloh?

2013-02-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

The Ohloh service launched beta of organizationst:
http://www.ohloh.net/orgs

Most if not all OSGeo projects are present at Ohloh.

Would it be a good idea to add OSGeo there?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo as organization at Ohloh?

2013-02-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 28 February 2013 22:04, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:
 Great idea Mateusz.

Jeff,

I take it as go for it then.

So, I went.
There seem to be no Add button available at Ohloh yet,
forums are silent on how to add an organization, so I send
e-mail to Ohloh support asking for help.

 Would you mind if I also was listed as an 'admin'
 for this?

Sure, I will add you as admin.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [planet.osgeo.org] Review your blog feed

2012-12-12 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

If you are owner of a blog aggregated at planet.osgeo.org,
please take a look at the errors below and check if any of these
is reported for your blog.

If it is, please provide us, the Planet admins, with correct feed URL
for your blog, otherwise your blog may be reviewed during next
maintenance clean-up.

Wed Dec 12 13:05:02 PST 2012
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 404 while updating feed
http://feeds.afrispatial.com/afrispatial
WARNING:planet.runner:Duplicate subscription:
http://blog.ominiverdi.org/index.php?/feeds/categories/8-doktoreas.rss
and http://blog.ominiverdi.org/index.php?/feeds/categories/7-ominoverde.rss
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 500 while updating feed
http://feed.goo.ne.jp/grp1/feed.php?id=fdma1jc1l0pqf00
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 403 while updating feed
http://www.africangeogeek.com/feed/
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 404 while updating feed
http://media.baliz-geospatial.com/fr/categorie/open-source/feed
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 404 while updating feed
http://baudson.cute-ice.de/serendipity/index.php?/feeds/categories/4-gis.rss
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 404 while updating feed
http://www.reprojected.com/geoblog/feed/atom/
ERROR:planet.runner:Error 500 while updating feed
http://www.geographiques.org/carnet/rubrique/atelier/feed
WARNING:planet.runner:Duplicate subscription:
http://blog.ominiverdi.org/index.php?/feeds/categories/10-kappu.rss
and http://blog.ominiverdi.org/index.php?/feeds/categories/8-doktoreas.rss
WARNING:planet.runner:No data
http://blog.ominiverdi.org/index.php?/feeds/categories/10-kappu.rss


Since we have moved the Planet configuration to the OSGeo SVN,
you can check your feed configuration by taking look at the config file:

http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/planet/venus/planet_osgeo.config

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] NEWS: Venkatesh Raghavan Receives 2012 Sol Katz Award

2012-10-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Venka, congratulations!

On 25 October 2012 18:00, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:
 --

 Prof. Venkatesh Raghavan was honored today with the 2012 Sol Katz Award
 for Geospatial Free and Open Source Software during the inaugural
 session of the FOSS4G-India 2012 (http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/foss4gindia/)
 conference in Hyderabad, India. The
 award was presented by Ravi Kumar and Vundavallu Aruna Kumar, Member of
 Parliament.  Venka received a memento on behalf of the OSGeo-India Chapter.
 Venka's dedication to FOSS4G and his community work around the world,
 promoting open source geospatial, is second to none.  He has been
 involved in OSGeo since the foundation was formed in 2006, and we are
 lucky to have such a strong global voice in him.  The OSGeo foundation
 wishes to thank Venka for his wonderful dedication.

 Background

 The Sol Katz Award for Geospatial Free and Open Source Software is
 awarded annually by OSGeo to individuals who have demonstrated
 leadership in the GFOSS community. Recipients of the award will have
 contributed significantly through their activities to advance open
 source ideals in the geospatial realm. The hope is that the award will
 both acknowledge the work of community members, and pay tribute to one
 of its founders, for years to come.
 Sol Katz was an early pioneer of GFOSS and left behind a large body of
 work in the form of applications, format specifications, and utilities.
 In the early 80's, Sol assisted in the development of a public domain
 GIS package called MOSS (Map Overlay and Statistical System). This
 software was arguably the first open source GIS software in the world.
 Sol would later go on to release and maintain PC MOSS. He was also one
 of the first involved in public data translator utilities. Utilities
 that he developed for converting DEMs and reading SDTS files were
 contributed back to the geospatial community, and are still available
 today. Sol was also a frequent contributor to many geospatial list
 servers, providing much guidance to the geospatial community at large.
 Sol Katz's collection of GIS utilities at the BLM is still available at
 ftp://ftp.blm.gov/pub/gis/. Sadly, after fighting Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
 for almost a decade, Sol died April 23, 1999 in bed. His legacy will
 always live on in the GFOSS world.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Foss4g2013] Code sprints at FOSS4G 2013

2012-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2012 22:36, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote:
 Il 18/10/2012 17:17, Barry Rowlingson ha scritto:
 might distract the developers! And nobody wants to pay to come to the
 conference if they are going to be sitting in the GeoCamp drinking
 beer and working on a project most of the time.

 Agreed, I do not think devs should pay to participate to a FOSS event.
 Business puts the money, devs the code.
 All the best.

Quite an interesting idea, but how to approach it fairly?
A formula based on number of commits or LOC contributed since last FOSS4G?

It sounds like a kind of Shell loyalty programme for developers:
1 litre of fuel earns 1 point; get 25 points and you'll get free coffee ;)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code sprints at FOSS4G 2013

2012-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 October 2012 11:11, Volker Mische volker.mis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Steven,

 I'd go for Sunday for the code sprint, as I would suspect that people
 are heading home on Sunday, to get back to the normal work week on
 Mondays. Those people could at least spend the morning sprinting.

+1

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [Article] Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

2012-08-31 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

I'm forwarding potentially interesting article from FSM:

http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/can_terms_gpl_prevent_gnulinux_being_used_war

with two of OSGeo projects mentioned.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Election 2012 Results

2012-08-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 14 August 2012 08:33, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) arn...@osgeo.org wrote:
 Dear OSGeo Members,
 the election 2012 has been completed and we are happy to announce the
 new board of directors [1].

 Here are the final results from the voting for the open seats of the
 OSGeo Board of Directors. There were five seats open and they have been
 filled by, in alphabetical order:
 * Anne Ghisla
 * Jeff McKenna
 * Daniel Morissette
 * Cameron Shorter
 * Frank Warmerdam

Congratulations to the new board members!
Arnulf, big thanks!
Anne, be strong! ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Gentle reminder to Nabble users

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

This is an update to my previous message about using Nabble.
I asked Nabble to clarify some behaviour regarding some of the archives
we host at at Nabble. I've got it answered, so I updated the Nabble section:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Nabble

M

On 13 July 2012 19:44, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote:
 Folks,

 I have added short note to the wiki on how to start using Nabble [1]
 This is due to frequent notifications OSGeo Nabble admins have
 received lately, it is:

 
 Dear OSGeo Nabble Admin,

 X requested authorization to join the Z
 ...
 To accept this request, you should add this user to at least
 one group that has access to this area.
 

 where X is a person's name and Z is mailing list.

 Those who are not aware of how Nabble archive works with OSGeo mailing lists,
 please check the wiki page I updated [1], and comply please.

 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Nabble

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Seconding Board Member Nominations

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Hi,

Can someone explain me what is this Seconded by
and Support by feature listed next to the Board nominations [1]?
Is this an element of any formal procedure or it's some kind of elevator pitch?

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2012

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Seconding Board Member Nominations

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 10:32, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:
 On 07/27/2012 10:06 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:

 Can someone explain me what is this Seconded by
 and Support by feature listed next to the Board nominations [1]?
 Is this an element of any formal procedure or it's some kind of elevator 
 pitch?

 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2012


 Nominees have to be nominated, hence the name. :-). The nominator is
 simply the first to propose a nominee. Additionally each nominee should
 get a second from another OSGeo member (Nota Bene, from anybody, not
 just Charter Members).

Arnulf,

It looks the seconding requirement is missing from the point #1 of the
procedure here,
isn't it?

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_Procedure

Thank you for the enlightenment.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote:
 This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also
 appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and
 I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL
 components.

GPL is dying, of natural causes.

http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 11:47, Markus Neteler nete...@osgeo.org wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote:
 On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote:
 This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also
 appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and
 I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL
 components.

 GPL is dying, of natural causes.

 http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github

 Perhaps but do you think that github is representative?

I don't think a representative analysis is even possible in
case of software licensing preferences.

Unlike SourceForge, GitHub is a young platform and it's gaining popularity
among FOSS hackers rapidly. So, guided by simple assumption it is
very likely that a developer will choose GitHub for his new FOSS project,
I'm quite convinced these statistics show the current trend, the trend
of newly established FOSS projects regarding licensing preferences.

Certainly, you can't ignore sample of 2 million public repositories***
and 1 million users at GitHub.

*** It does not mean there are 2m distinct projects, of course.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 15:27, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:
 On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
 On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote:
 This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also
 appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and
 I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL
 components.

 GPL is dying, of natural causes.

 http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github

 Best regards,

 (I don't think that GPL is dying, it is still 70% on SourceForge last
 time I checked)

As I mentioned, SF.net hosts tons of old, obsolete and inactive projects.

 The more interesting question is - what are the natural causes?

IMO:
BSD, MIT, Boost...licenses are freer and this freedom is apparently
important for new projects and initiative, especially if the future
is unclear. Another important aspect is the simplicity: if I'm not a lawyer,
and I don't care about hiring one, but I'm not sure about the terms
(and future of my project), I go for simplest reasonable.
Finally, I do dare statement, that nowadays most of FOSS code is
written on request by companies or individual investors who pay
hard cash for most of lines of code written in FOSS projects.
The clientelle seems to prefer the freer freedom too.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Ragi,
Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
You've saved me a lot of time

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On 27 Jul 2012 21:11, rburhum r...@burhum.com wrote:

 As someone who has done several for-pay projects (both big and small) to
 combine proprietary and foss4g code, I can give a summary from a set of
 anecdotal evidence and trends that I have noticed from a US-based
 consultant
 point of view.

 From my experience, the adoption of an open source project obviously
 depends
 a lot on the license and the *environment* it is going to be deployed on.
 Let me explain.

 When offering a solution to a customer, it is easy to convince them that
 changes/enhancements to a particular component they are getting for free
 should be released out back to the community. It takes 1 minute to convince
 them of this. No friction there. What is much more difficult is to convince
 them that *all* the code they have been building for sometime now, needs to
 also be released under the same terms (think GPLv3). *That*, I can
 certainly
 say that 99.99% of the time they feel really strongly against!

 When consuming full-blown GPL-licensed code, the situation when somebody
 has
 to also license their entire code base under the GPL depends on the
 environment. Let me take the example of LGPL and full blown GPL (forget
 about Affero GPLv3 for this discussion).

 For server-side and desktop technologies, take the example where the
 processes are running separate. Changing GPL code is effectively enhancing
 that component I got for free, which they understand (they may not
 understand in-proc or out-of-proc). From a practical stand-point, the
 restrictions/obligations are similar to that of LGPL because the client's
 code is separate from open source project's code, so adopting an open
 source project under GPL or LGPL is of low friction.

 For components that are running in-proc, then the license matters much
 more.
 An LGPL licensed project still gives them the concept of I just need to
 release the fixes that I make to the library I got for free, so it is an
 easy-sell. GPL-licensed code goes beyond this, so every single customer
 I've
 had where I offered to consume GPL-code in-proc said 'no' (except for one
 in
 academia, but that was a special case).

 For customers where I have built iOS apps for, it gets really really
 tricky.
 iOS does not allow shared linking of code (it is all static linking), in
 that scenario, LGPL becomes the new GPL. Some people argue that you can

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/459833/which-open-source-licenses-are-compatible-with-the-iphone-and-app-store
 use a special provision of LGPL to be able to use LGPL-licensed  code in
 the
 Apple App Store. But there is no legal precedent for that yet (and thus, as
 of right now, it is a theoretical argument), so most businesses that
 respect
 licenses (or don't want to run the risk) will stay away from it altogether.

 For web development development, it is a different story and a much longer
 discussion because of the various ways you can consume open source
 projects.

 Now for MIT, Apache, and similar licenses, you don't have any of these
 implications. It is much easier to convince somebody to consume a project
 of
 this kind. Afterwards, you can always give arguments for why it is
 beneficial to open source a generic component and, so far, I have never
 encountered friction against this. The FileGDB and ArcObjects GDAL drivers
 are examples of this.

 As far as GitHub vs Sourceforge, I think it is hard to argue that any new
 open source is far more likely to adopt GitHub vs any other repo kind out
 there. The reasoning, besides the technological implications, are IMHO,
 rooted in generational-gap arguments.

 My two-cents,

 - Ragi




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting

2012-07-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 25 July 2012 15:05, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote:
 On 12-07-25 9:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:

 Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with
 what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I
 will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that
 we don't wake up late for the next elections again...


 I am with Arnulf on this: let's stick with what we have and revisit in time
 before the next election.

Thoroughly +1

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting

2012-07-25 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 25 July 2012 21:23, Howard Butler hobu@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote:

 Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by 
 the charter member) in the Board election.

 Advantages:
 The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her 
 more than once.

 Disadvantages:
 [...]
 One member, one candidate, one vote.

Amen.

There is no need for anyone to show that she shows that she shows,
that she prefers one candidate over another.

If anyone feels a need to double or even triple expression of her feelings,
feel free send the candidate flowers or a box of chocolate, I suppose.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Gentle reminder to Nabble users

2012-07-13 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Folks,

I have added short note to the wiki on how to start using Nabble [1]
This is due to frequent notifications OSGeo Nabble admins have
received lately, it is:


Dear OSGeo Nabble Admin,

X requested authorization to join the Z
...
To accept this request, you should add this user to at least
one group that has access to this area.


where X is a person's name and Z is mailing list.

Those who are not aware of how Nabble archive works with OSGeo mailing lists,
please check the wiki page I updated [1], and comply please.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Nabble

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement tools at OSGEO?

2012-06-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 19 Jun 2012 16:17, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

 OSGEO news feed
 the OSGEO side

FYI, it is spelled OSGeo, not OSGEO.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Short report about FOSS4G-CEE 2012 with outlook to coming years

2012-05-24 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 24 May 2012 21:38, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 if anybody is interested, I'm sending here very short report about
 FOSS4G-CEE  Geoinformatics in Prague 2012, which was organised this
 week (and which is continuing with GRASS Code sprint right now). See
 http://foss4g-cee.org for more details.
 [...]

Jachym,

Congratulations and bravo!
It sounds and looks as the conference was a success in 101%!

I regret I couldn't make it this year, but I'm hopeful and looking forward to
attending next edition 2013.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] State of the Planet

2012-04-02 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 2 April 2012 23:13, Simon Greener si...@spatialdbadvisor.com wrote:
 No it's not. Please do not post non-OSGEO topics on this discussion list.
 Simon

FYI, it is spelled OSGeo, not OSGEO.

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/legal/trademark_guidelines.html

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