Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Gender bias in nominations

2014-07-24 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Jo wrote:

 As a female member of OSGeo I don't really feel that my gender matters in the 
 slightest.

Having heard too many sad stories from across the software industry, and having 
seen a couple first-hand, that totally makes my day. We’re doing something 
right, folks.

Thanks.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24 (actually: president's role in OSGEO)

2014-07-18 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
On Jul 18, 2014, at 5:31 AM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:

 Although your points make sense, the reality is that the President is
 requested specifically for many things, in person, or on a Skype call,
 writing a support letter, shaking a hand, giving a talk, etc etc.

Those are all things we would all *like* to do, yes, but the reality of
volunteer time available and funding limitations means that we cannot
always do everything we’d like to do.

If we were a Big Organization with Lots of Money, things would be
different, perhaps. But we’re not that, so we need to prioritize.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-01 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
While I don’t think I’m keen on having professionals foot the bill for OSGeo, 
Dirk is definitely on the right track. His citation of the core principles is 
timely, and I’ll go so far as to repeat it here:

   OSGeo should act as a low-capital, volunteer-focused organization.
   OSGeo should focus support on OSGeo communities and initiatives
   which support themselves.

We’re not like Apache, Eclipse, OGC, or ASPRS. We’re OSGeo, and I’d hate to see 
us drift away from that.

“Membership” should be for everyone and anyone. We do need a means to keep the 
board from straying from those core principles without overwhelming community 
agreement, which today is done by the idea of charter members. I’m open to 
changing the model of keeping the board on the right path, but am not willing 
to go so far as to create any sort membership barriers beyond that one small 
(yet essential) constraint.

-mpg



On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com wrote:

 Although I am not so active on the mailing list,  I am an OSGeo's
 advocate, and I take the opportunity to promote OSGeo wherever I can.
 
 I became an OSGeo member in 2007 because I was proud on what the
 organisation did and I wanted to support it, with the scarce resources I
 own.
 
 One of the things I appreciate enormously is
 
 - The organisation is open (as in open source)
 - Becoming a member of the organisation is totally free (*yes* like in
 free beer!)
 - the organisation has a perfect DNA:
- members can  
- act as *A* user
- act as *T*echnical skilled person (sofware developers,
 industry, documentation)
- work at *G*overmental body
- member of the s*C*ientific world (academic world)
 
 In the world of today *free* as in gratis, *free* as in *free* *beer*,
 doing something for
 somebody else is very rare (scarce) that it becomes very valuable.
 Being a part of a community like OSGeo not only is *fun* but also gives
 you a *good* feeling, and it is very motivating to work in a company or
 organisation that supports OSGeo.
 
 I may be naive, but for me personally this works out well, and having
 that feeling is one of the important incentives to keep contributing to
 the community. (And by the way, working with other members of the OSGeo
 community didn't result in any bad experience until now)
 
 Of course, an organisation needs money, To support some stuff (.svn or
 whathever goal is worth supporting). But I think we should keep the
 membership *free* (and not as in *free* beer!), because it is in my eyes
 a very essential part of OSGeo:
 
 Core principles are:
 
OSGeo should act as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation.
OSGeo should focus support on OSGeo communities and initiatives
 which support themselves.  [1]
 
 As in DNA, different chains have different roles.
 
 *G*overnments are happy to have such a movement as the Free and open
 source software [2] movement, because they can avoid vendor lock-in,
 gain control over their projects (read: become free again), and save a
 lot of money. They should take this advantage seriously and sponsor open
 source activities.
 
 the s*C*ientific world is happy to use open source solutions, because
 they can study the tools themselves and focus on research, not being
 bothered of the licenses they are using.
 They also should take this advantage seriously and donate scientific
 relevant material they don't want to exploit immediately to the community.
 
 *A*ny user should be free (*not* as in free beer) to use and experiment
 with the results of what the community is producing. The community
 should welcome *A*ny user and help him to find his way, so he can take
 his responsibility and earn respect for what he is doing.
 
 And last but not least: the *T*echnically skilled persons are the heart
 of the community. Being able to create great teamwork and donate back to
 the community. Also they should take their responsibility and earn the
 respect they deserve.
 
 But where is the money we need to operate the organisation?
 
 Personally, I don't think it are the users nor the community members who
 should take care of that. Because the belonging to the community should
 remain a *free* right, where the value comes from respect and the
 intense feeling of giving something without expecting something back.
 
 The strange thing is that many of the members are also professional
 involved into OSGeo (acting as A T G or C).
 So I suggest it should not be the (community) members who should pay for
 the support, but these professional actors.
 And they (the professional actors) should become a member (in their role
 of incorporation) to support it. But sponsored membership should not
 give rights to vote, or whatsoever. The only thing you gain is that you,
 as a professional incorporation, are happy with an organisation as
 OSGeo, fighting for your rights to be able to use *free* software.  And
 the sponsors should trust and believe that a low 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

2014-06-26 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Correct: “membership”, by design at the original founding meeting, was designed 
not to confer ANY rights or distinguishing properties except for the ability to 
vote for board members.

While the election process is pretty messy right now, I view that as a solvable 
problem: I’m still at a loss to understand why we’d want to change anything 
more than that.

-mpg



On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:58 AM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I have understood this procedure correctly:
 
 The board is voted for by the Charter Members, new Charter Members are 
 proposed and voted for by the existing Charter Members, there may be a limit 
 placed on the number of new Charter Members set by the board.
 
 Membership of OSGeo does not seem to confer any rights on the member.
 
 Do we need to review our foundation docs to find a more inclusive procedure? 
 
 Steven Feldman
 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] What's wrong? (was Re: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I’ve not been following this issue closely, so I just went back through the old 
mails and I’m still left with this rather basic question:

What is the problem that we are trying to solve? What started this movement? 
What in our organization is “broken” that needs to be fixed?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What's wrong? (was Re: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
(just using my buddy Hobu as a foil here...)

So, the membership process is broken because it is ad hoc, difficult to 
coordinate, and so on? Agreed!

And there are only two benefits to “membership: voting for the board and 
personal PR? Agreed!

The personal PR one doesn’t count for much with me. Anyone putting anything 
like “actively involved in OSGeo” on their resume would get full points from me 
(speaking as a hiring manager type of person).

So, to me, that just leaves the Board election mechanism as the interesting 
question for discussion? Or is there something else about membership worth 
discussing? Unless we’re seriously talking about using membership dues as a 
potential revenue source?

I’m against making our organization any more formal or professional than it is 
now. We’re a grassroots, low-budget, loose affiliation of projects and 
interests. If we’re interested in changing the tone and dynamic of the 
organization, I’d be interested to hear from people as to what we think the 
change direction should be and to what ultimate advantage.

-mpg





On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Howard Butler how...@hobu.co wrote:

 
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote:
 
 I’ve not been following this issue closely, so I just went back through the 
 old mails and I’m still left with this rather basic question:
 
 What is the problem that we are trying to solve?
 
 OSGeo's membership process is completely adhoc, and it prevents people who 
 wish to be members from doing so. Seemingly, the only two benefits of 
 membership are 1) able to vote for board and 2) able to trumpet to world 
 you're a member. A paid membership doesn't doesn't really change that, but it 
 does help OSGeo in a number of important ways:
 
 * Our organization would look pretty much exactly like all the other similar 
 professional organizations to the IRS
 * It smoothes out our revenue and provides a floor for things like 
 infrastructure, accounting, insurance, etc which are things a proper org 
 needs but OSGeo often lacks.
 * Anyone who wants to be a member can pay the fee, get the tshirt, and be a 
 member. 
 
 What started this movement?
 
 I don't know that there's so much a movement, but rather a realization by 
 some that the membership process is a bit broken.  To simply let any/all who 
 want to be an OSGeo member has the board-packing concerns brought up during 
 the inaugural organization meeting. 
 
 What in our organization is “broken” that needs to be fixed?
 
 * The CRO's administration of the board vote and membership rolls is a hard, 
 thankless job that ends up suffering the brunt of OSGeo's broken membership 
 process. 
 
 * People who wish to be members of OSGeo can't simply sign up.
 
 * OSGeo's purported revenue model of soliciting large donations from private 
 organizations does not match its real revenue model of harvesting income from 
 the FOSS4G conference. 
 
 Howard
 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)

2012-09-18 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
+1

-mpg



On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Howard Butler hobu@gmail.com wrote:
 I disagree. The history of the award has been a cloistered deliberation of 
 private nominations. The award is not a political exercise, or at least it 
 hasn't been to this point, and public nominations tip things toward the 
 lobbying direction. Every open source contributor wouldn't mind an award in 
 the field of excellence, and every contributor deserves a pat on the back or 
 two.
 
 Open nominations opens up a more than few cans of worms:
 
 - I won't say some stuff about a person in a public nomination that I would 
 in a private one. First off, I don't want to embarrass them, as some people 
 are embarrassed by public fawning.
 
 - Not every activity and action needs to be billboarded. If you look at the 
 list of past winners, a common trait they all share is they all have kept 
 their heads down and done a lot for the community as whole without regard to 
 recognition. 
 
 - I might not want everyone to know who I'm nominating.
 
 - Are we voting on the award? Lobbying the committee? What does a public 
 nomination achieve other than to provide a (biased) public attaboy? There are 
 plenty of opportunities for those that do not have to be conflated with a 
 nomination process.
 
 The award is selected by an exclusive group of individuals, and this act 
 makes it an exclusive award. The Oscar or Peabody or Pulitzer of open source 
 GIS is much more interesting than the People's Choice. Let's keep it that way.
 
 Howard
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Supporting Standards

2012-09-06 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
[added standards mailing list back to the distribution list]

Quoting all of item 4, to put Stefano's quote in context:

Standards specifications are made accessible to all for implementation
and deployment. Affirming standards organizations have defined
procedures to develop specifications that can be implemented under
fair terms. Given market diversity, fair terms may vary from 
royalty-free
to fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms (FRAND).

I'm pretty pragmatic about this stuff, so I see this as a perfectly reasonable 
position for an organization to take.

-mpg



On Sep 6, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Stefano Costa st...@iosa.it wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA256
 
 Il 06/09/2012 17:26, Seven (aka Arnulf) ha scritto:
 Folks, one item on the OGC Architecture Board meeting agenda today
 was to look at this web site: http://open-stand.org/principles/
 
 - From my perspective the principles listed here are very much
 aligned with our goals and nicely worded. So my suggestion is to
 support this initiative as an organization [1]. Let's have a dialog
 here and if we come to the conclusion that we want to officially
 endorse this submit a motion to the board for their next meeting.
 
 I'm a bit worried by the vague wording of those principles.
 
 More in detail, point 4 is crucial, stating that:
 
fair terms may vary from royalty-free to fair, reasonable, and
non-discriminatory terms (FRAND).
 
 See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#RAND for some
 background of why this is problematic for free and open source
 software (our mission, I believe).
 
 Ciao
 steko

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Secret ballots for voting

2012-08-15 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Someone asked the Board (off-list) why we do not publish the results of our 
elections in detail -- such as how many votes there were for each candidate, 
including any candidates that weren't elected.

I'm not sure if our bylaws require secret ballots, but that has been our 
process since the Foundation began.There are clearly pros and cons both ways 
for this. If we were fully transparent, everyone see who voted for whom and 
there would be no possibility of cheating. By keeping votes private, on the 
other hand, we allow people to candidly express their feelings without feeling 
any social pressures.

It's not clear to me that the community favors a change from our current secret 
ballot process, but I know it has been asked about before over the years and I 
know at least one person raised a question about the lack of transparency in 
our last round of voting. If you feel strongly about this please feel free to 
start a thread about it and we'll see what the consensus is.

PS- I can say that 98 of the 144 charter members voted in this last election.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mathematics of Planet Earth 2013

2012-08-14 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
It's not been mentioned in the Upper Echelons that I hang about in, for what 
that's worth.

If someone wanted to propose OSGeo get involved in this somehow, I'm sure we'd 
be interested…

-mpg



On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 Is anyone at the upper echelons of OSGeo aware of MPE2013?
 
 http://mpe2013.org
 
 
 The mission of the MPE project is to:
 
 * Encourage research in identifying and solving fundamental questions
 about planet earth
 * Encourage educators at all levels to communicate the issues related
 to planet earth
 * Inform the public about the essential role of the mathematical
 sciences in facing the challenges to our planet
 
 
 One point in one of the newsletters caught my eye:
 
 
 MPE2013 received the patronage of UNESCO. This includes, in
 particular, the international launching of the Mathematics of Planet
 Earth Open Source Exhibition foreseen to take place in the beginning
 of 2013. UNESCO had been approached on behalf of the International
 Union through the Canadian and French Commissions at UNESCO. In
 particular, MPE2013 will work in partnership with UNESCO for the
 promotion of the MPE exhibition.
 
 
 Is this on the OSGeo radar?
 
 [Next year is also the International Year Of Statistics 2013 (plus or
 minus a few months)]
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] CORRECTION -- Re: Board Elections 2012

2012-08-03 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Cameron Shorter's name was inadvertently omitted from the nomination page.

Arnulf and I are both(!) traveling today and can't quickly update the wiki - if 
some kind soul would do that for us, we would appreciate it. 

If you have already voted and wish to change your selections, feel free to do 
so. 

Thank you for your understanding  and cooperation!

.mpg  Arnulf, CRO's




On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Arnulf Christl arn...@osgeo.org wrote:

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 Dear Charter Members,
 we are approaching the end of the 2012 elections [0]. The Board
 nomination period has ended and all nominees listed on [1] have
 confirmed that they are happy to stand for election.
 
 Please take your time to read through the nomination, the acceptance
 and thoughts from each candidate and then proceed to vote for 5
 different candidates by adding them one per line to an email to be
 sent to c...@osgeo.org.
 
 Voting closes at 23:59 (your timezone) 12-August-2012!
 
 Please caefully follow the instructions given on the Wiki [2] in order
 to be able to submit a valid email and MAKE SURE TO SEND IT TO
 c...@osgeo.org ONLY. Otherwise your vote may become public or just
 disappear somewhere. You will receive a confirmation of your
 successful vote. If you do not receive a confirmation within 24h of
 submitting your mail please contact c...@osgeo.org
 
 Thank your for taking on this responsibility,
 Your CROs
 (Arnulf Christl  Michael Gerlek)
 
 [0] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2012
 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2012
 [2]
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2012#Vote_for_new_Board_Members_-_2012-08-03_-_2012-08-12
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] CORRECTION -- Re: Board Elections 2012

2012-08-03 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Thank you, Yves and others, for quick response on this. 

(This is a great community of people we have here...)

.mpg, sitting in the runway


On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Yves Jacolin (free) yjaco...@free.fr wrote:

 mpg,
 
 done!
 
 Y.
 Le 03/08/2012 14:25, Michael P. Gerlek a écrit :
 Cameron Shorter's name was inadvertently omitted from the nomination page.
 
 Arnulf and I are both(!) traveling today and can't quickly update the wiki - 
 if some kind soul would do that for us, we would appreciate it.
 
 If you have already voted and wish to change your selections, feel free to 
 do so.
 
 Thank you for your understanding  and cooperation!
 
 .mpg  Arnulf, CRO's
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Arnulf Christl arn...@osgeo.org wrote:
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Dear Charter Members,
 we are approaching the end of the 2012 elections [0]. The Board
 nomination period has ended and all nominees listed on [1] have
 confirmed that they are happy to stand for election.
 
 Please take your time to read through the nomination, the acceptance
 and thoughts from each candidate and then proceed to vote for 5
 different candidates by adding them one per line to an email to be
 sent to c...@osgeo.org.
 
 Voting closes at 23:59 (your timezone) 12-August-2012!
 
 Please caefully follow the instructions given on the Wiki [2] in order
 to be able to submit a valid email and MAKE SURE TO SEND IT TO
 c...@osgeo.org ONLY. Otherwise your vote may become public or just
 disappear somewhere. You will receive a confirmation of your
 successful vote. If you do not receive a confirmation within 24h of
 submitting your mail please contact c...@osgeo.org
 
 Thank your for taking on this responsibility,
 Your CROs
 (Arnulf Christl  Michael Gerlek)
 
 [0] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2012
 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2012
 [2]
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2012#Vote_for_new_Board_Members_-_2012-08-03_-_2012-08-12
 
 - --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

2012-07-29 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 Also, some companies would be willing to help underwrite production costs in 
 exchange for some small ads on the back pages, if we
 wanted to go that way.
 
  Nice idea, but initial production costs are zero with
 publish-on-demand - its just the time of the editor.

Ah, but you're not thinking big enough :-)

We little people might pay for our own copies, sure, but I'd like to have the 
foundation have a stack of copies of this book: to give to our sponsors, to use 
as (high-end) marketing material for trade-shows, ...

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

2012-07-28 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Also, some companies would be willing to help underwrite production costs in 
exchange for some small ads on the back pages, if we wanted to go that way.

.mpg

On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source
 technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was
 thinking:
 
 * Put out a proposal for beautiful cartography, stunning maps, and
 insightful visualisations done with OpenSource applications and/or
 Open Data.
 
 * Collect map proposals as images on a flickr group:
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeomaps/
 
 * Get enough, have a community vote/expert opinion for the best 50 or so.
 
 * Get high-res or vector versions of the winners.
 
 * Get authors to write a note for the book, explaining the software,
 the techniques, and the impact of their work.
 
 * Edit them into a glossy colour book, publish on a publish-on-demand
 site (eg lulu.com).
 
 * Give free copies to the authors of the top ten voted maps or maybe
 all the ones included (I'll pay for these unless someone wants to
 sponsor it).
 
 * Release the PDF under an open license. Of course.
 
 * Profit!! [By selling copies on lulu at a small premium for OSGeo]
 
 I don't think the production effort is very much, I just wonder if
 enough people are producing maps that will look good in A4 or larger
 (we're all about the web these days, right?) and if publicity can be
 sustained enough to get 50 nice maps. The timeline would be set so we
 have lots of glossy copies of these sitting around for sale at FOSS4G
 2013.
 
 Good idea? Or will we just get 45 maps which are stamen.com
 watercolour backgrounds with some points pasted on? There is a
 perception which I think we've all heard that Open Source GIS packages
 can't do cartography, but with a little help from Inkscape I've seen
 some great-looking maps on posters at conferences.
 
 ESRI used to (still do?) produce an Arc/Info atlas (I have a vague
 memory of something A3-size in our GIS research lab 20 years ago) of
 maps - surely we can do something like that now. Obviously I'm
 sticking my hand up to do the work for this, my concern is purely
 whether we'd get enough entries. I'd like the bar to be quite high.
 Most of the work is going to be done by the mappers themselves.
 
 Shoot.
 
 Barry
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Cameron Shorter

2012-07-28 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I am pleased to nominate Cameron Shorter to be a member of the OSGeo Board.

Followers of this list will no doubt already be familiar with Cameron: active 
in this foundation since the very beginning, he chaired the 2009 FOSS4G 
conference, has served on various OSGeo committees, and has worked on the 
OSGeo-Live project, among many other contributions.

He would surely make a great addition to the board team for the next two years.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I hesitate to get into this discussion, but...

Puneet wrote:
 [...] I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal domain by
 not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, to 
 encumber with 
 these complications.

Do you literally mean no license at all? That might be a mistake, if you're 
looking for others to adopt your code.

Having no license documentation in the code raises all sorts of red flags.  In 
my commercial or government work, I'd not allow use of any code whose 
provenance, author, and/or copyright status is at all unclear.
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting

2012-07-25 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
+1

I like the old way better too, but Daniel it right: the comment period is past.

-mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:06 AM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
 
 On 12-07-25 9:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
 
  Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with
  what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I
  will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that
  we don't wake up late for the next elections again...
 
 
 I am with Arnulf on this: let's stick with what we have and revisit in
 time before the next election.
 
 The current election schedule was proposed on June 14 [1] and
 discussed/edited for about a week until it was finally approved on June
 21 [2], so there was time for members to comment if they wanted to (and
 some did if you look in the archives). I don't care one way or the other
 personally for the voting, but I do know that it's not possile to make
 everyone happy and I'm sure that for every charter member requesting a
 change we can find one that would find it inappropriate to change the
 rules in the middle of an election.
 
 [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-June/009714.html
 
 [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-June/009745.html
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] DARPA-funded short-term incubator for geospatial data analysis

2012-07-25 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
DARPA and George Mason University are running a very novel, incubator-like 
opportunity for small teams of people interested in a chance to pursue radical 
new ideas in the areas of geospatial and visual data analysis.

If you've got an idea for something truly different in the geo data world, and 
would like to spend 8 weeks exploring the idea with a $50K budget, you can find 
more details and background here:

http://go.usa.gov/wo5

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/darpa-innovation-house-project-imaging-data/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/post/darpa-george-mason-seek-trailblazers-for-eight-week-innovation-house-study-program/2012/07/10/gJQAv06naW_blog.html

Deadline is July 31st, so act fast! 

[disclaimers: it is being run by my former boss at DARPA and I'm a member of 
the review committee]

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Boad of Director Nomination: Daniel Morissette

2012-07-25 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
+1!

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From: Seven (aka Arnulf) [mailto:se...@arnulf.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:19 AM
To: c...@osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Boad of Director Nomination: Daniel Morissette

Dear OSGeo Community, Charter Members,
I want to nominate Daniel Morissette for the OSGeo board of directors.

I have been working with Daniel for many years and he is one of the most 
trustworthy and consistently productive people I know. He has always proven to 
be highly sensitive to community related aspects and has an international 
outlook, combined with very good English skills. This makes him a good mediator 
between different regions and cultures, a regularly upcoming issue in our 
community. This would already make him an invaluable member of the board of 
directors. But this is not enough, on top of this he also tends to the irksome 
job of treasurer and has toiled through many down-to-earth tasks that an 
organization of our size requires to get done. He is also an integral part of 
the Franco-Canadian local community and a relentless contributor to the 
MapServer project.

It would be silly to not squeeze some more out of him if he so friendly asks 
for it.

Thank you,
Arnulf

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] DARPA-funded short-term incubator for geospatial data analysis

2012-07-25 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
As someone just pointed out to me, I should add this further clarification:

All team members must be U.S. citizens and at least 18 years of age.

(If there was an osgeo-discuss-usa list, I'd have used that instead. 
Apologies.)

On a happier note, though, also observe that:

There are no specific academic, professional or experience-related 
requirements. If it is not 
obvious from a team's resumes, the team should make a credible case 
that it has the skills 
necessary to accomplish what it proposes.

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From: Michael P. Gerlek [mailto:m...@flaxen.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:58 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: DARPA-funded short-term incubator for geospatial data analysis

Sorry, I left out the most important bit:

DARPA is very supportive of open source -- as a means of doing things 
cheaper, bootstrapping faster,
fostering collaboration, and promoting extensibility.

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-Original Message-
From: Michael P. Gerlek [mailto:m...@flaxen.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:54 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions (discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: DARPA-funded short-term incubator for geospatial data analysis

DARPA and George Mason University are running a very novel, incubator-like 
opportunity for small teams of people interested in a chance to pursue radical 
new ideas in the areas of geospatial and visual data analysis.

If you've got an idea for something truly different in the geo data world, and 
would like to spend 8 weeks exploring the idea with a $50K budget, you can find 
more details and background here:

http://go.usa.gov/wo5

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/darpa-innovation-house-project-imaging-data/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/post/darpa-george-mason-seek-trailblazers-for-eight-week-innovation-house-study-program/2012/07/10/gJQAv06naW_blog.html

Deadline is July 31st, so act fast! 

[disclaimers: it is being run by my former boss at DARPA and I'm a member of 
the review committee]

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[OSGeo-Discuss] New charter members!

2012-07-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
We received 22 nominations for the 2012 Charter Members. There were 20 
membership positions available, but the board acted over the weekend to 
increase that number to 22.

Therefore, on behalf of the OSGeo Board and the entire OSGeo community, I am 
pleased to welcome the following people as OSGeo Charter Members for 2012:

Barend Kobben   Netherlands
Angelos Tzotsos Greece
Anita GraserAustria
Victor OlayaSpain
Pedro-Juan Ferrer   Spain
Andrea AimeeItaly
Jean-Roc Morreale   France
Serena Coetzee  South Africa
Michael Smith   USA
Karel Charvat   Czech Republic
Jan Jezek   Czech Republic
Vasile Craciunescu  Romania
Thomas Bonfort  France
Mauricio MirandaArgentina
Peter Löwe  Germany
Massimiliano CannataItaly
P.K.Sinha   India
Brian HamlinUSA
Ragi Yaser Burhum   Peru
Dimitris Kotzinos   Greece
César MedinaChile
Doug NewcombUSA

Congratulations to all!

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Do you want to be on the OSGeo Board?

2012-07-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
The nomination period for 2012 OSGeo Board Members starts in two weeks.

As a long-time member of the OSGeo community and as a current Board member, I 
can say that this organization that has helped build a fantastic and supportive 
community over the past several years. However, there are always ongoing 
discussions about areas where we could improve our impact on the open source 
geospatial ecosystem.

If you are interested in helping set the direction for OSGeo over the next 
couple years and/or have some ideas about the strategic issues we face, I 
encourage you to start a discussion on either the Board or Discussion lists.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: [OSGeo-Conf] Short report about FOSS4G-CEE 2012 with outlook to coming years

2012-05-25 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Jachym-

Can you provide us with a summary of the financial aspects of your event? 
Things like did the attendees have to pay anything and if so how much, did you 
have any sponsors, how much was spent on the venue, food, etc, etc. This is 
good information to have, for others thinking about planning similar events.

-mpg


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 From: conference_dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:conference_dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky
 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:38 PM
 To: Discussions, OSGeo; conference-...@lists.osgeo.org; 'conference'
 Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Short report about FOSS4G-CEE 2012 with outlook to 
 coming years
 
 Hi,
 if anybody is interested, I'm sending here very short report about
 FOSS4G-CEE  Geoinformatics in Prague 2012, which was organised this
 week (and which is continuing with GRASS Code sprint right now). See
 http://foss4g-cee.org for more details.
 
 Number of registered participants: 120
 
 CZ - 35
 RO - 14
 DE - 12
 FR - 6
 AT - 5
 SK - 4
 EE, HU, CH, PL, TU, USA - 3
 IT, UK - 2
 HR, NRW, NZ, Georgia, Ghana, Nigeria 1
 
 Number of accepted papers cca 60
 Number of accepted workshops: 6
 Number of accepted tutorials: 5
 
 However, relatively high number of presenters did not arrive (at least
 one did announce it soon enough, but has slipped between my fingers,
 sorry one more time) - luckily, present speakers were usually able to
 prolong their presentations operatively.
 
 On some tutorials, no attendees have come :-(
 
 Social events formal and informal: nice!
 
 Lessons learned:
 
 * Double check presenters against list of registrations.
 * Double check list of vegetarians and keep track of it
 * Have more accepted presentations in the stack, for possible substitutions
 * and others
 
 List of photos: http://foss4g-cee.org/photos/
 
 PDF version of presentations are being added to
 http://foss4g-cee.org/program/overview/
 
 Big thanks to the organisation team, general feedback was positive.
 
 Big thanks to all participants: Without them, the conference would not
 happen.
 
 Future of FOSS4G-CEE:
 -
 
 It was agreed, that (unless there is no big obligation), FOSS4G-CEE 2013
 will be organised by  Vasile Crăciunescu and his team at geo-spatial.org
 in Bucharest, Romania. Their situation will be quite difficult thanks to
 global FOSS4G organised somewhere in Europe. But still, they have
 clearly expressed their enthusiasm about organisation the event.
 
 During the event, several participants from various countries (France,
 Italy, Germany, Czech, Romania and others) have indicated their strong
 demand for conference best described as FOSS4G-Europe.
 
 Having FOSS4G-NA in mind, and all the discussions about positives and
 negatives of such proposals, we've had during last months, I do
 personally support this idea: There is demand for more local oriented,
 yet big enough events around the ellipsoid, let's talk about it
 (better in some other thread, at conference_dev list). Such event should
 happen during 2014, so we have about year for clarifying all possible
 questions.
 
 Jachym
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo's jobs mailing list

2012-05-11 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
This is just a gentle reminder that there is a mailing list for geospatial jobs 
related to open source over at j...@lists.osgeo.org (archived at 
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/jobs/).

If you are looking to hire someone to do some open source geo work, or if 
you're looking to get hired to do some open source geo work, this is a good 
place to go.

It is a moderated list with very low volume -- just a handful of posts per 
month.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] CHARTER MEMBERS: please read

2012-05-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
In advance of OSGeo's 2012 election season, we are updated our database of 
charter members.

We need at least an email address for each of the charter members, although we 
will optionally be happy to accept the following data from you as well:
Last Name (surname)
First and middle names
Nationality
Affiliation
Street Address
City
State/Province
Country
Post Code
Phone

Please send this information to me (m...@flaxen.com).

This information is kept confidential, restricted to the board members. 
(Aggregated information without personal identifiers, such as nationalities, 
may be used for tracking our demographics.)

The current list of 125 charter members is posted here: 
http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members.

Thank you.

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RE: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

2012-05-05 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 to another planet or are deemed unfit for the purpose
by the community?
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On 20/04/12 07:24, Cameron Shorter wrote:
 

On 20/04/2012 4:06 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 

Do we have any policies and cost structures for the Ambassador function
yet?
 

 
I've seen a few people talking about creating an OSGeo Ambassador role.
Arnulf I think might have been the first to mention it, and I think it is
an excellent idea. I'm also aware that the OGC are considering developing
OGC ambassadors too.
 
So I'd like to open the floor and see what people think an ambassador's
role could involve, which leads into the qualities we would wish our
ambassador's to have, which leads into the ways we may select an ambassador.
 
Let me start by noting some of the driving factors:
1. Arnulf has noted that as OSGeo president, he has spent a significant
amount of time on areoplanes travelling around the world to talk on behalf
of OSGeo. He has suggested that this role should be shared.
Conference organisors, who have a primary goal of attracting attendees,
look for authoritative figureheads to talk at conferences. They are
expected to have a deep insight into a specific domain, such as OSGeo. They
should also speak well, even better if they are entertaining.
 
2. OSGeo is a sexy topic has many conferences, and there are hundreds, if
not thousands of conferences around the world which would like to see an
OSGeo presence.
 
3. OSGeo is fortunate to draw membership from around the world, including
boasting a number of very healthy local chapters. As such, we are likely to
have potential ambassadors in most counties. (We might be a bit short in
Antarctica)
 
4. There are times when negotiating MOUs or similar with other countries,
it would be useful to have someone local speak with authority on behalf of
OSGeo.
 
5. Note that there are conflicting interests here of wanting to open up
the role for anyone who volunteers, verses maintaining a selectiveness and
prestige for the role which is the key selection criteria for conferences
asking for an ambassador.
 
As such, I think it important that ambassadors can only be voted into the
position, and not handed out to anyone. We already vote for a board, and
charter members.
I think board members should be considered ambassadors by default.
Should charter members be considered ambassadors? Charter members only
get this role after demonstrating a commitment to OSGeo, so will likely
have a reasonable depth of OSGeo knowledge. Maybe we should ask for a
history of speaking well (as demonstrated at conferences), to the
ambassador criteria.
 
Then lastly, do we wish to invite ambassadors from a greater circle? At
this point, I'd probably err on saying no, as if the entry bar to becoming
an ambassador is too easy, then the mystic of the role will be lost.
 
 
 

 
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Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

2012-05-05 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 as their primary 
address
- interviews on the main blog
- a track record of their public activity wrt OSGeo promotion, software 
development, management, documentation and what else

In this way the charter members could gain a higher visibility in the wider 
geospatial community and be recognised as official representatives.

Ciao
steko

BTW is there any process in place to remove charter members if they become 
inactive, move to another planet or are deemed unfit for the purpose by the 
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On 20/04/12 07:24, Cameron Shorter wrote:

On 20/04/2012 4:06 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Do we have any policies and cost structures for the Ambassador function yet?


I've seen a few people talking about creating an OSGeo Ambassador role. Arnulf 
I think might have been the first to mention it, and I think it is an excellent 
idea. I'm also aware that the OGC are considering developing OGC ambassadors 
too.

So I'd like to open the floor and see what people think an ambassador's role 
could involve, which leads into the qualities we would wish our ambassador's to 
have, which leads into the ways we may select an ambassador.

Let me start by noting some of the driving factors:
1. Arnulf has noted that as OSGeo president, he has spent a significant amount 
of time on areoplanes travelling around the world to talk on behalf of OSGeo. 
He has suggested that this role should be shared.
Conference organisors, who have a primary goal of attracting attendees, look 
for authoritative figureheads to talk at conferences. They are expected to have 
a deep insight into a specific domain, such as OSGeo. They should also speak 
well, even better if they are entertaining.

2. OSGeo is a sexy topic has many conferences, and there are hundreds, if not 
thousands of conferences around the world which would like to see an OSGeo 
presence.

3. OSGeo is fortunate to draw membership from around the world, including 
boasting a number of very healthy local chapters. As such, we are likely to 
have potential ambassadors in most counties. (We might be a bit short in 
Antarctica)

4. There are times when negotiating MOUs or similar with other countries, it 
would be useful to have someone local speak with authority on behalf of OSGeo.

5. Note that there are conflicting interests here of wanting to open up the 
role for anyone who volunteers, verses maintaining a selectiveness and prestige 
for the role which is the key selection criteria for conferences asking for an 
ambassador.

As such, I think it important that ambassadors can only be voted into the 
position, and not handed out to anyone. We already vote for a board, and 
charter members.
I think board members should be considered ambassadors by default.
Should charter members be considered ambassadors? Charter members only get this 
role after demonstrating a commitment to OSGeo, so will likely have a 
reasonable depth of OSGeo knowledge. Maybe we should ask for a history of 
speaking well (as demonstrated at conferences), to the ambassador criteria.

Then lastly, do we wish to invite ambassadors from a greater circle? At this 
point, I'd probably err on saying no, as if the entry bar to becoming an 
ambassador is too easy, then the mystic of the role will be lost.





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[OSGeo-Discuss] Do you run an OSGeo committe or chapter?

2012-04-19 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
We are setting up a contact list on the wiki, inventorying all the various 
committees and local chapters.

Pls take a minute to review this wiki page and make any additions you see fit:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Contacts

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

2012-04-19 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Cameron, thanks for bringing this up for discussion.

A couple things to note:

- in some cases, the Board might decide that it is important enough to have an 
Ambassador at an event that the Foundation would cover travel expenses

- it is unlikely that the Foundation would be able to cover the costs of the 
Ambassador's time, however; aside from the expense involved and trying to 
determine a fair uniform hourly rate, I could see that turn into a fight for 
who gets to go; but on the other hand, a nominal fee might help enable some of 
us who are self-employed or similar to fill the ambassador role

- some events/functions might require the Ambassador be a Board member as well 
(as in the case of the email of mine which Cameron quotes)

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 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:24 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
 
 On 20/04/2012 4:06 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
  Do we have any policies and cost structures for the Ambassador function yet?
 
 I've seen a few people talking about creating an OSGeo Ambassador role.
 Arnulf I think might have been the first to mention it, and I think it
 is an excellent idea. I'm also aware that the OGC are considering
 developing OGC ambassadors too.
 
 So I'd like to open the floor and see what people think an ambassador's
 role could involve, which leads into the qualities we would wish our
 ambassador's to have, which leads into the ways we may select an ambassador.
 
 Let me start by noting some of the driving factors:
 1. Arnulf has noted that as OSGeo president, he has spent a significant
 amount of time on areoplanes travelling around the world to talk on
 behalf of OSGeo. He has suggested that this role should be shared.
 Conference organisors, who have a primary goal of attracting attendees,
 look for authoritative figureheads to talk at conferences. They are
 expected to have a deep insight into a specific domain, such as OSGeo.
 They should also speak well, even better if they are entertaining.
 
 2. OSGeo is a sexy topic has many conferences, and there are hundreds,
 if not thousands of conferences around the world which would like to see
 an OSGeo presence.
 
 3. OSGeo is fortunate to draw membership from around the world,
 including boasting a number of very healthy local chapters. As such, we
 are likely to have potential ambassadors in most counties. (We might be
 a bit short in Antarctica)
 
 4. There are times when negotiating MOUs or similar with other
 countries, it would be useful to have someone local speak with authority
 on behalf of OSGeo.
 
 5. Note that there are conflicting interests here of wanting to open up
 the role for anyone who volunteers, verses maintaining a selectiveness
 and prestige for the role which is the key selection criteria for
 conferences asking for an ambassador.
 
 As such, I think it important that ambassadors can only be voted into
 the position, and not handed out to anyone. We already vote for a board,
 and charter members.
 I think board members should be considered ambassadors by default.
 Should charter members be considered ambassadors? Charter members only
 get this role after demonstrating a commitment to OSGeo, so will likely
 have a reasonable depth of OSGeo knowledge. Maybe we should ask for a
 history of speaking well (as demonstrated at conferences), to the
 ambassador criteria.
 
 Then lastly, do we wish to invite ambassadors from a greater circle? At
 this point, I'd probably err on saying no, as if the entry bar to
 becoming an ambassador is too easy, then the mystic of the role will be
 lost.
 
 
 --
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 Geospatial Solutions Manager
 Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
 
 Think Globally, Fix Locally
 Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

2012-04-19 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Dimitris:

No apologies needed, it is an important discussion to have! But as you are 
aware, there are no easy answers.

The Board of Directors has been discussing these issues a lot, both on lists 
and in face-to-face meetings. The problem is that OSGeo has a very broad 
charter and a very diverse membership, and so it is hard to just say we should 
do this or we should do that without looking at all the tradeoffs involved. 
And furthermore, doing anything substantial requires funding, which is hard to 
get without a clear set of goals and objectives to take to potential sponsors 
-- and so it's a circular problem.

One of the first steps we know we need to take, before we can go after any real 
sponsorship funding, is to fix some long-standing problems with our accounting 
practices and our unclear nonprofit status; both of those are being worked on 
actively right now (by Daniel and me). Another needed step is to revive the 
Marketing committee; Arnulf and Cameron are doing that right now as well.

That said, a lesson we're coming to grips with is that certain business 
development and back-office functions are not well-suited to a 
volunteer-based organization or even a single paid Executive Director 
generalist -- those jobs require specific skillsets, which some of us think it 
might be best to outsource or partner with another allied nonprofit 
organization.

Since the board is made up of volunteers spread across the globe, it's hard to 
be able to move as fast on any of these issues as I would like, but I do think 
the current board is slowly digging our way through all this. For more 
discussions on this stuff, I'd encourage you to join the board list.

-mpg


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 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dimitris Kotzinos
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:50 PM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
 
 Dear all,
 
 following up on Michael's e-mail, I have to say that I find the idea of
 having OSGEO ambassadors very useful and I think that we should keep it
 to a limited number of people (maybe about a dozen as a maximum)
 geographically spread all over the globe.
 
 Moreover, I would like to take the opportunity to put forward some
 additional concerns.
 I have followed in this list some (sometimes fierce) discussions about
 managerial issues of the OSGEO (e.g. the discussion on the decision to
 have no Executive Director, the discussion on the responsibilities for
 the Beijing conference and so on). I am still missing the discussion (at
 the discussion list) of a more complete and coherent plan on how we
 think OSGEO should go on for the next couple of years.
 I think that having Ambassadors or not should be part of a greater plan
 on how we think OSGEO should handle (sometimes practical) issues like
 its representation in events, its public face, the conferences we want
 to put together (and how) and so on ...
 Thus my request is to discuss the whatever plan as a whole and not as
 individual ideas.
 
 My apologies for opening up again a discussion that might already be
 obsolete :)
 
 Best regards,
 
 Dimitris Kotzinos
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] formal request for endorement of amicus on Sierra Club v. Orange Country court case

2012-01-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Milo-

 

A good point, and one that I did give some thought to.  But I think using the 
international parent organization is the right choice in this case for these 
reasons:

 

* There is already precedent for having OSGeo doing such letters of support and 
memoranda of understanding (MOUs) for non-international issues.

* Local chapters are welcome  to add their support as well [hey, Landon!].

* This is an important US case; the US has a long history of open data and 
public access, and [like it or not] policies of the US tend to influence other 
nations.

 

-mpg

 

 

 

 

From: Milo van der Linden [mailto:m...@dogodigi.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:57 AM
To: m...@flaxen.com; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] formal request for endorement of amicus on Sierra 
Club v. Orange Country court case

 

I think it is a national matter and osgeo.org is an international organization. 
We had our share of open (geo)data issues in the Netherlands too and I have 
donated and supported to several local initiatives trying to force more 
openness from official bodies, but I think it might be better if osgeo.org 
would not step up directly but through local chapters or groups.

Op 21 jan. 2012 21:20 schreef Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com het 
volgende:

OSGeo folk:

I'm formally requesting that OSGeo endorse the amicus (friend of the court) 
brief being submitted by the Sierra Club to the California Supreme Court.  This 
case covers significant interest to our community, including the definition of 
GIS data and the public's right to access open records.

The amicus letter can be found at [1].  More details on the case can be found 
on our wiki at [2].

If you have any thoughts on this matter -- pro or con -- please reply to the 
list or to me.


Following the protocol given in [3], discussion of this issue will take place 
on this mailing list until January 26th.  At that time, I will collect the 
community's responses and submit them to the Board for discussion at our next 
meeting on February 4th.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:OrangeCountry_amicus_letter.pdf
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OrangeCounty_Amicus
[3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Protocol_for_requesting_letter_of_support

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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: [Board] Fwd: Request for your endorsement of GIS Amicus Letter re: Sierra Club v Orange County

2012-01-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'm covering this for the Board, and in the next few days I will be putting out 
a formal motion for OSGeo to endorse it.

 

-mpg

 

From: board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On 
Behalf Of David William Bitner
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:50 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Cc: OSGeo-Board List
Subject: [Board] Fwd: Request for your endorsement of GIS Amicus Letter re: 
Sierra Club v Orange County

 

Dear OSGeo friends,

 

As has been discussed earlier on this list, the Sierra Club's case against 
Orange County to try to open up county parcel basemap data under California 
data practices laws is heading to the CA Supreme Court. Bruce Joffe has drafted 
an Amicus Letter in support of the Sierra Club. I encourage the GIS 
professionals on this list to consider individual support of this effort and 
ask the Board to consider signing this letter as an organization.

 

Thank you,

 

David Bitner

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bruce Joffe gis.consulta...@joffes.com
Date: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Subject: Request for your endorsement of GIS Amicus Letter re: Sierra Club v 
Orange County
To: apa...@wakegov.com, bill.mo...@townofcary.org, bit...@dbspatial.com, 
bra...@co.thurston.wa.us, bspat...@together.net, chris.woodw...@state.co.us, 
chr...@zwebdesign.com, chuck.drin...@ewam-associates.com, 
craig.par...@sbcglobal.net, cwo...@dhs.ca.gov, dia...@ci.fullerton.ca.us, 
dmur...@ci.westminster.co.us, e...@msi.ic.ucsb.edu, g...@onda.org, 
haydee.dabr...@cdph.ca.gov, jsack...@selcnc.org, jwhi...@stanford.edu, 
l...@calmail.berkeley.edu, l...@berkeley.edu, lbl...@ksninc.com, 
sunburned.surve...@redefinedhorizons.com, leanne.les...@colorado.edu, 
leebe...@earthsystems.net, li...@prev.org



Dear Friends,
You have been stalwart supporters, advocating for our principles on 
this important issue of vital concern to our GIS community.  I thank you for 
sending me your pre-endorsement of this GIS Amicus Letter, and hope you will 
now co-sign this version as an individual, and perhaps also representing your 
own organization. 

You may pass this request along to other potential supporters.
Thank you,
Bruce


Dear Colleague,

I'm sure you know that Sierra Club is in the final phase of contest against 
Orange County for access to its GIS-compatible parcel basemap.  This case will 
determine the applicability of the CA Public Records Act to GIS-based data.  

Although Orange County prevailed in the Trial Court, and again in the Court of 
Appeals, the case has been accepted for final resolution by the California 
Supreme Court.  

I count you among the overwhelming majority of GIS professionals who support 
Sierra Club's lawsuit because you support unfettered access to our governments' 
geodata.  Now is your opportunity to influence the outcome of the case by 
adding your name to the GIS Community Amicus Letter (attached) that will be 
sent to the Court.  The letter explains several GIS technicalities to the Court 
and refutes misinformation proffered by Orange County.  A large preponderance 
of signatures will help convince the Court that OC's arguments do not represent 
the normal standard of GIS professional knowledge and practice.  

Please send me an email indicating your endorsement of the Amicus Letter, and I 
will add your name as a co-signer.  
 *   You may co-sign as an individual. 
 Please indicate your title and professional affiliation for 
reference purposes.  (The letter makes it clear that individuals' signatures 
does not imply endorsement of their reference organization.)

IN ADDITION
 *   Please encourage your professional organizations to endorse 
this Amicus Letter as an organization.  Organizational endorsement makes a big 
impression!
 *   Please ask your employer to endorse as well, if appropriate.

The Amicus Letter must be sent by February 24, so please send me your 
endorsement as soon as you can.

With Anticipatory Thanks,
Bruce

  _  

Bruce Joffe, GISP
Organizer, Open Data Consortium project
c/o GIS Consultants
902 Rose Ave.
Piedmont, CA  94611
510-508-0213 
gis.consulta...@joffes.com

  _  


P.S.   ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

I have sent out Amicus endorsement requests before.  Previously:
 83 people and organizations co-signed a GIS Amicus Letter asking the 
Supreme Court to review this case ... and the Court agreed.
 77 people and organizations co-signed a GIS Amicus Letter asking the 
Court of Appeal to force Santa Clara County to provide its geodata under terms 
of the PRA ... and the Court agreed.  
 65 people and organizations co-signed a request to the CA Attorney 
General to determine whether Parcel boundary map data maintained by a county 
in electronic format is subject to public inspection and copying under 
provisions of the California Public Records Act. ... and the AG concurred.

[OSGeo-Discuss] formal request for endorement of amicus on Sierra Club v. Orange Country court case

2012-01-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
OSGeo folk:

I'm formally requesting that OSGeo endorse the amicus (friend of the court) 
brief being submitted by the Sierra Club to the California Supreme Court.  This 
case covers significant interest to our community, including the definition of 
GIS data and the public's right to access open records.

The amicus letter can be found at [1].  More details on the case can be found 
on our wiki at [2].

If you have any thoughts on this matter -- pro or con -- please reply to the 
list or to me.


Following the protocol given in [3], discussion of this issue will take place 
on this mailing list until January 26th.  At that time, I will collect the 
community's responses and submit them to the Board for discussion at our next 
meeting on February 4th.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:OrangeCountry_amicus_letter.pdf
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OrangeCounty_Amicus
[3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Protocol_for_requesting_letter_of_support

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Student funding available for OSGeo codesprint next month!

2012-01-03 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
** Please forward this email to any students or others who might be interested. 
**

Through the generosity of our sponsors -- especially our gold-level sponsor 
Mobile Geographics -- we have funding available for a qualified student (or 
currently unemployed programmer) to come to Seattle for next month's codesprint.

To apply for the funding, send email to m...@flaxen.com with a short (250 words 
max) statement explaining what open source projects you have contributed to and 
why you want to come to the sprint.  Extra credit if you can get someone else 
from the OSGeo community to recommend you to me.

The amount of funding available will cover at least the registration fee 
(lodging/meals), and possibly some travel expenses as well.  (Please include in 
your email where you would be travelling from.)

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IslandWood_Code_Sprint_2012

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] The amicus curiae brief in the Orange County, California public records / geo data court case

2011-12-16 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I've volunteered to take point on this issue and do the homework, as a first 
step towards bringing to the Board for approval.

I've started a wiki page listing some reading material about the case:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OrangeCounty_Amicus

If anyone has any opinions about the issue (either pro or con!), please email 
me or email the list or add to the wiki.

-mpg





 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dan Putler
 Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:08 AM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] The amicus curiae brief in the Orange County, 
 California public records / geo data court case
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've been in contact with Bruce Joffe who has been working on an amicus
 curiae (friend of the court) brief associated with two court decisions
 that have gone in completely opposite directions in California, one
 involving Santa Clara County and the other involving Orange County. The
 legal point is the same in both cases, is GIS data (parcel data in
 particular) data or is it software? If it is data, then it is covered
 under the California Public Records Act, requiring that it be released
 to the public for reproduction costs, if it is software, it isn't
 covered, and is subject to licensing fees. The judge in the Santa Clara
 County case (correctly) determined it was data, while the judge in the
 Orange County case (incorrectly) determined it was software. The case is
 now heading to the California Supreme Court, and Bruce Joffe is rounding
 up potential individuals and organizations to sign on to the amicus
 curiae brief. More details about the situation was posted on the
 Directions Magazine daily newsletter on Wednesday. Here is the link to
 the article:
 http://www.directionsmag.com/articles/sierra-club-vs-orange-county-pra-lawsuit-update-december-10-2011/219926
 
 My main purpose for posting this information to this list is to
 determine if there is some mechanism by which the Open Geospatial
 Foundation can be listed as one of the supporting parties in the amicus
 curiae brief. I don't know if there is a mechanism for approving this,
 but this seems like an issue that we should have a strong interest in.
 
 Dan
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2011 Charter Member Election Results

2011-12-02 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Nicolas:

 

This is a great idea.  Could you please start by stubbing out a wiki page for 
this, and then others can add onto it?

 

-mpg

 

 

 

From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of nicolas bozon
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:56 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2011 Charter Member Election Results

 

Hello all,

As a fresh new charter member, i was precisely wondering if some guidelines for 
charter membership were available somewhere. I was about to ask in fact, when 
this thread came up.
I knew that voting was one of the duties, but thought that some others may 
exist.
According to me, charter members should also dynamise and promote their 
respective (and/or prefered) local chapter as much as possible.
That would be nice if some experienced charter members could start such 
guidelines on the wiki or elsewhere where a kind of brainstorming  could occur 
on that topic.
My 2 cents
Thanks

Nick

2011/12/3 Mateusz Łoskot mate...@loskot.net

On 2 December 2011 16:30, Dave McIlhagga dmcilha...@dmsolutions.ca wrote:
 I would suggest that on the contrary, being a Charter Member does come with
 responsibility -- it may be minimal but is critically important. All that is 
 required is
voting for new Charter Members and voting for the Board.

 Assuming, reasonable efforts have been made to be in touch with Charter 
 Members,
 I think it's actually important to purge those who don't take this 
 responsibility
seriously. I would suggest it's a necessary part of preserving the integrity 
of the organization.

 Keep in mind, for many OSGeo is not just a past-time - it's a vested
 part of our institutions, businesses, and people.

I support Dave's opinion here.

OSGeo has no resources for mothering its Charter Members.

Best regards,
--
Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Charter Member of OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
Member of ACCU, http://accu.org

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter nominees -- please speak up!

2011-11-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
There are many nominees this year!  And since we have such an international 
slate this year, I expect many of us are in the position I'm in: I don't 
recognize the names of many of them, much less know of them at least by 
reputation.

If you are a nominee, please consider posting a short statement about yourself 
and why you think you would be a good representative for OSGeo.

You could post to the official nomination wiki page 
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2011) or to this discuss 
list (which always is good to generate some discussion on these sorts of 
issues), or perhaps both.

I'm going to hold off on my vote until close to the deadline, so that I have a 
chance to hear from many of these great candidates...

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Travel Hints

2011-09-10 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I've added a cab-share signup section.

-mpg



 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette
 Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:52 PM
 To: OSGEO discuss
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Travel Hints
 
 We collected and started sharing a bit of info that could be useful for
people
 traveling to Denver for FOSS4G:
 
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2011_Travel_Hints
 
 At the moment the most interesting info is about cell phone roaming
options
 and affordable prepaid SIM cards in the US (now I know I got your
 attention!).
 
 Please go ahead and share any hints you may have on other travel related
 questions.
 
 Daniel
 --
 Daniel Morissette
 http://www.mapgears.com/
 Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Need graphic arts help for IslandWood codesprint handout

2011-09-07 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'm trying to make a one-page advert/flyer/handout for the IslandWood
sprint, to be handed out in Denver next week... 

I know the content that has to be included, but my design skillz are totally
not up to it and it looks like a fourth-grade science fair poster.

Anyone out there got the talents and a few hours to contribute to this
worthy effort?  (I'll give you all the credits you want...)

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] North America (Seattle) codesprint -- last chance to save it!

2011-08-18 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
If I was on the board (ahem), I'd be in favor working on such an idea.  For
small gatherings like this, the amount at risk is relatively low - under
$10K, not the huge amount that, say, FOSS4G requires.

 

-mpg

 

 

 

From: Daniel Kastl [mailto:dan...@georepublic.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:10 PM
To: m...@flaxen.com; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] North America (Seattle) codesprint -- last
chance to save it!

 

Without being able to attend a code sprint in Seattle, I would like to ask,
if this isn't something OSGeo Foundation would be able to cover the risks
for. In my opinion this is one of the events OSGeo could support, because it
has a high impact on its projects.

Leaving such a risk on individuals is likely to make this kind of events
difficult to organize.

 

Daniel

 

 

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote:

The goal of hosting the 2012 North American code sprint here in Seattle is,
unfortunately, almost dead.

To date I have received almost $4K in sponsorship money -- thank you to
Airborne Interactive, Anonymous/CUGOS, Development Seed, and LizardTech! --
and almost $4K in the form of seven registrations from individuals.

However, this doesn't get us to the $12K needed to reserve the facilities
and minimize my risk of defaulting.

If you are interested in attending and can pay the $525 fee (registration +
lodging + meals) in advance, please contact me.

I will try to drum up some more interest down in Denver next month, but the
longer we wait the higher the chance the facility won't be available
anymore.  After FOSS4G, if we haven't raised enough funds, I'll be refunding
the sponsorship and registration monies.

Details on the event can be found here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IslandWood_Code_Sprint_2011.  Thanks!

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[OSGeo-Discuss] North America (Seattle) codesprint -- last chance to save it!

2011-08-17 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
The goal of hosting the 2012 North American code sprint here in Seattle is,
unfortunately, almost dead.

To date I have received almost $4K in sponsorship money -- thank you to
Airborne Interactive, Anonymous/CUGOS, Development Seed, and LizardTech! --
and almost $4K in the form of seven registrations from individuals.

However, this doesn't get us to the $12K needed to reserve the facilities
and minimize my risk of defaulting.

If you are interested in attending and can pay the $525 fee (registration +
lodging + meals) in advance, please contact me.

I will try to drum up some more interest down in Denver next month, but the
longer we wait the higher the chance the facility won't be available
anymore.  After FOSS4G, if we haven't raised enough funds, I'll be refunding
the sponsorship and registration monies.

Details on the event can be found here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IslandWood_Code_Sprint_2011.  Thanks!

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Michael Gerlek to OSGeo Board 2011

2011-08-11 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I've now posted my candidate statement here:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2011#Michael_Gerlek

Thanks again for your consideration.

-mpg



 -Original Message-
 From: Michael P. Gerlek [mailto:m...@flaxen.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:03 AM
 To: 'OSGeo Discussions'
 Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Michael Gerlek to OSGeo Board
 2011
 
 I'm on vacation right now, so this will have to be short -- I'll write 
 something
 more up when I get home in a few days, but for now let me just make some
 bullet points:
 
 * Thank you to Aaron for the nomination.  It's a privilege to be nominated,
 and doubly so to be in company of so many other nominees.
 
 * In addition to the stuff Aaron lists below, I'm working with Howard Butler
 the PDAL (nee libLAS) project for lidar and point cloud support.  It's not a
 formal OSGeo project today, but as it matures it will hopefully become one
 someday.
 
 * I also worked at LizardTech for a decade, where I championed LizardTech's
 open source initiatives, including bringing open source libraries into their
 projects, financially sponsoring OSGeo annually, and rewriting the licenses
 for their closed-source libraries to be freely distributable within the open
 source world.
 
 * I know of nothing seriously broken within OSGeo today that I want to
 charge right in and start fixing.  Tyler and the board members have done well
 over the past five years.  However, there are two areas I’d like to focus 
 on...
 
 * First, as Aaron notes below, I'm one of the folks who runs our local 
 chapter.
 We've got a great group that meets monthly, and we've been able to put on
 some great activities -- such as arranging to give talks and panels at local
 conferences, and putting on our own day-long workshop/conference/sprint
 at a local university that was attended by many, many people.  I'd like to see
 the board be proactive in getting more local chapters organized and running,
 as this sort of grass roots work at the individual level is often the best 
 way to
 introduce people to open source and open data.  I've got some ideas on how
 we could help jump-start things.
 
 * Second, I had the good fortune to serve as editor for the Open Sources
 column in GeoConnexions magazine.  We produced two dozen columns over
 two years, all contributed by members of the OSGeo community, covering
 everything from libraries and apps to open data and open curricula.  I have
 also just started a smaller, similar column for the Lidar News magazine.
 OSGeo should work with the media in our industry to identify more
 opportunities like this.  Publishers always want quality content, it's 
 something
 we can provide for little direct financial cost, and it is a good way to get 
 our
 message out and seed development of other marketing-like content.
 
 Thanks for considering me for the board!
 
 -mpg
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Racicot
 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:22 PM
 To: discuss
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Michael Gerlek to OSGeo Board
 2011
 
 I would like to take this opportunity to nominate Michael Gerlek for the
 OSGeo Board.  Michael (known to many as MPG) has been an active member
 of the OSGeo community from the very first planning meetings in 2006.
 He has been a Charter member of OSGeo since 2006 and has actively
 participated in many functions of OSGeo including leading the Visibility
 committee.  Michael also co-founded CUGOS, the regional OSGeo chapter in
 the Pacific Northwest.  He is actively involved in many open source GIS
 projects, and now dedicates himself to full time consulting work in the open
 source GIS space through his company Flaxen Geo Consulting.  He has a long
 history in participating with the OGC and could bring unique experience in
 that arena to the board.  Most importantly his participation in the OSGeo
 board would bring great industry insight, leadership experience, and a true
 dedication to furthering the OSGeo mission.  I strongly encourage the OSGeo
 community to consider Michael as a valuable addition to the board and the
 OSGeo family.
 
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Mpg
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Aaron
 
 --
 Aaron Racicot
 Z-Pulley Inc.
 aar...@z-pulley.com
 360-221-2441
 
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Michael Gerlek to OSGeo Board 2011

2011-08-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'm on vacation right now, so this will have to be short -- I'll write 
something more up when I get home in a few days, but for now let me just make 
some bullet points:

* Thank you to Aaron for the nomination.  It's a privilege to be nominated, and 
doubly so to be in company of so many other nominees.

* In addition to the stuff Aaron lists below, I'm working with Howard Butler 
the PDAL (nee libLAS) project for lidar and point cloud support.  It's not a 
formal OSGeo project today, but as it matures it will hopefully become one 
someday.

* I also worked at LizardTech for a decade, where I championed LizardTech's 
open source initiatives, including bringing open source libraries into their 
projects, financially sponsoring OSGeo annually, and rewriting the licenses for 
their closed-source libraries to be freely distributable within the open source 
world.

* I know of nothing seriously broken within OSGeo today that I want to charge 
right in and start fixing.  Tyler and the board members have done well over the 
past five years.  However, there are two areas I’d like to focus on...

* First, as Aaron notes below, I'm one of the folks who runs our local chapter. 
 We've got a great group that meets monthly, and we've been able to put on some 
great activities -- such as arranging to give talks and panels at local 
conferences, and putting on our own day-long workshop/conference/sprint at a 
local university that was attended by many, many people.  I'd like to see the 
board be proactive in getting more local chapters organized and running, as 
this sort of grass roots work at the individual level is often the best way to 
introduce people to open source and open data.  I've got some ideas on how we 
could help jump-start things.

* Second, I had the good fortune to serve as editor for the Open Sources 
column in GeoConnexions magazine.  We produced two dozen columns over two 
years, all contributed by members of the OSGeo community, covering everything 
from libraries and apps to open data and open curricula.  I have also just 
started a smaller, similar column for the Lidar News magazine.  OSGeo should 
work with the media in our industry to identify more opportunities like this.  
Publishers always want quality content, it's something we can provide for 
little direct financial cost, and it is a good way to get our message out and 
seed development of other marketing-like content.

Thanks for considering me for the board!

-mpg



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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Aaron Racicot
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:22 PM
To: discuss
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Michael Gerlek to OSGeo Board 2011

I would like to take this opportunity to nominate Michael Gerlek for the OSGeo 
Board.  Michael (known to many as MPG) has been an active member of the OSGeo 
community from the very first planning meetings in 2006.
He has been a Charter member of OSGeo since 2006 and has actively participated 
in many functions of OSGeo including leading the Visibility committee.  Michael 
also co-founded CUGOS, the regional OSGeo chapter in the Pacific Northwest.  He 
is actively involved in many open source GIS projects, and now dedicates 
himself to full time consulting work in the open source GIS space through his 
company Flaxen Geo Consulting.  He has a long history in participating with the 
OGC and could bring unique experience in that arena to the board.  Most 
importantly his participation in the OSGeo board would bring great industry 
insight, leadership experience, and a true dedication to furthering the OSGeo 
mission.  I strongly encourage the OSGeo community to consider Michael as a 
valuable addition to the board and the OSGeo family.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Mpg

Thanks for your consideration.

Aaron

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] format for raster data distribution, JP2?

2011-07-15 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Well, you've covered most of the tradeoffs - proprietary/open, general
availability, etc.  At the end of the day, it's hard to beat compressed
TIFFs.  (lzw-compressed TIFFs are nice too - maybe a bit less supported than
jpeg-compressed, but no quality loss)

 

-mpg

 

 

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:59 AM
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] format for raster data distribution, JP2?

 

I'm looking for advice on sharing raster data for download.  We distribute
several raster datasets such as DEMs and orthophotography.  Sometimes these
are divided into rectangular tiles, sometimes by geography/boundaries.  Most
of our audience has some level of GIS or CAD experience. We also have WMS
services but there are many times where people need the actual data files.

I had been creating JP2 files using JP2ECW compression.  Great file size
reduction with very good quality. However, I'm thinking it may be difficult
for people to view these (and more difficult for me to create) due to the
restrictions on the codec distribution.  The other JP2 options, OpenJPEG and
libjasper, seems like they also require users to obtain this codec/driver
and install into the software first.   Same for the commercial Kakadu and
MrSID.  netCDF is great but not widely supported; IMG are good but not any
advantage over TIFs (except for  4 GB file sizes)

Since I want to serve the widest possible audience (and not cater only to
our Windows/ArcGIS audience), I'm down to serving TIFs with JPEG compression
at around quality=75, which is what I started with years ago!  Good quality,
decent compression, wide support.   Is this the best bet?   Is there
something else out there I'm overlooking?

- John

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Delaware Geological Survey
University of Delaware
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[OSGeo-Discuss] IslandWood 2012 codesprint - Registration open!

2011-07-12 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
The 4th annual North American OSGeo codesprint is scheduled for February 5-9
of 2012, on a small island near Seattle.

Full details on the event are available here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IslandWood_Code_Sprint_2012

We are now accepting registrations at $525/person.  Space is limited, so
book early!

Corporate sponsorships ($750 minimum) help pay the costs this event, and I
am very pleased to announce that the event already has $3750 pledged in
sponsorship..  But we still need more! If you'd like to be a sponsor, we'd
love to have you, and in return we can promise lots of sincere thank you's
and favorable mentions in blog posts about the sprint.


Checks should be made payable to CUGOS and sent to
Michael P. Gerlek
12167 Pleasant Place NE
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
USA


Please forward this to anyone you might think be interested.

We hope you can join us!

-mpg  the CUGOS gang

Michael P. Gerlek
Flaxen Geo Consulting
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Planning begins for the 2012 North American code sprint

2011-06-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
This mail is to announce the start of planning / early call for
participation for the 4th annual OSGeo North American code sprint.  Held in
previous years in Toronto, New York City, and Montreal, we are proposing to
hold the next event in Jan-Mar of 2012 on a small island near Seattle.

Unlike previous years, this event will not be downtown in a major city with
the sprint and dining venues clustered in an urban neighborhood.  Instead,
we're proposing to hold it on Bainbridge Island at a place called IslandWood
-- a unique 255-acre outdoor learning center designed to provide
exceptional learning experiences and inspire life-long environmental and
community stewardship (see http://islandwood.org/conferences).
 
The event would be different from previous years in that we would be staying
on-campus the whole time (lodging, eating, working).  This would change the
dynamics a bit, but I think for the better.  This will also change the cost
model for the event, too: it is likely to be more expensive, and people will
need to register (and pay) in advance, although we would still intend to
have sponsors help cover costs.
 
If you're interested, please subscribe to the tosprint list
(http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint) and voice your support
for this plan (or not...).  I will use that list to provide more details
(esp. pricing, which I should have in a few days).

-mpg


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Media Sponsorship

2011-06-10 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
+1 here too.

I like the idea of providing an avenue for us to pitch articles, etc.  I
know that in principle anyone can submit a piece to most of the industry
pubs, but in practice the editors tend to favor those they have a
pre-existing relationship with.

-mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Seven (aka Arnulf)
 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:09 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Media Sponsorship
 
 On 06/09/2011 10:35 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote:
  Hi everybody, I've been working on an idea to start a Media
  Sponsorship opportunity for OSGeo.  We already do this same idea for
  FOSS4G each year, so why not try it for the organisation in general?
 
  I already know of a few media companies that would be interested in:
  * providing $x worth of advertising for OSGeo * in exchange for being
  listed as a Media Sponsor
 
  This is also a great way to keep communication open so, for example,
  OSGeo members can write articles for these companies, we can get our
  press releases easily, we can have our logo front and centre, etc.
 
  Note, I'm not proposing an in-kind sponsorship position, but one with
  real $ values tied to the arrangement (likely $10k spread over a
  year).
 
  Putting the idea out there - what do you think?  Thumbs up or down?
  Think of any ways to make it more enticing?
 
  Tyler
 
 Tyler,
 this sounds like a good idea, nothing to add from my side.
 
 Best regards,
 Arnulf
 
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Finding position based on horizon profile?

2011-03-28 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Consider the following hypothetical problem:

Assume we have a good elevation data set for a large region of the earth --
say, an entire mountain range.  Now let's say we have a photograph taken
from the ground, the horizon of which shows the profile of a couple of the
mountains in that range.  Can you tell me where the photograph was taken
from?

Any pointers to research in this area would be appreciated.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Jobs list

2011-03-03 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
A gentle, periodic reminder: OSGeo has a jobs mailing list!

You can post there if you...:

  - want a new job
  - trying to hire someone for a job  - 
  - are searching for a contractor or consultant
  - want to find work as a consultant or contractor
  - have opportunities for graduate students
  - etc

As long as it is job related and pertains to OSGeo's charter, it's fair
game.

This is a moderated, very low-volume list, so subscribing wont' cause undue
stress on your inbox.

You can sign up (or view the archives) here:
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

2010-11-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
[disclaimer: I'm the one who nominated Dan]

Having admired MapWindow from afar from some time, I had the opportunity to 
spend a couple days with Dan and his team a few months ago and came away very 
impressed.  Dan is doing a great job in bringing C#/.NET into the OSGeo world 
via the DotSpatial world, what with bringing a whole library into play and 
running a conference and yet still pursuing a geo research job.

A vote for Dan is a vote for...  oh, gosh, I dunno...  It's a vote to add a 
Third Way[1] to the C++ -vs- Java intertribal dialogs?  Something like that.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_%28centrism%29

-mpg

From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:22 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been 
participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly 
involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded 
sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo pitches 
at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo DotNet 
programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing list, and 
helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called DotSpatial 
(an API that brings together topology, visualization, data access, etc for the 
DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by the way you can find 
it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open source MapWindow 
project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have heard of. I'd be 
happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter Membership.

(P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in San 
Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See 
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)

- Dan

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Associate Professor, Geosciences
Idaho State University - Idaho Falls
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter member candidates, pls step forward!

2010-11-04 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Those of you who've been nominated, feel free to announce yourselves with a few 
immodestly chosen lines about why we should vote for you!

There are a lot of seemingly good candidates, but not enough votes to go 
around...

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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: GRASS not in demand, says PennState

2010-10-26 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I just read part two of this QA article, which also has some bearing on this 
audience:

 Q: Most of the jobs I've seen require 3-5 years of GIS work experience to 
 apply. How do I get those first 3-5 years?
 A: Direct contact with potential employers and internship opportunities.

Hey, kids: hanging out in the open source ecosystem is also a great way to get 
experience!

I would love to see new college grad resumes that list a whole bunch of classes 
BUT also include lines like the X project website contains two tutorials I 
wrote or submitted a patch to the X project which was included in their 1.2 
release.

-mpg



 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
 Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:25 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions (discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] GRASS not in demand, says PennState
 
 Directions Magazine just published a QA about the state of geospatial jobs
 and occupations with some folks from Penn State in which this question
 appeared:
 
  Are you seeing positions requiring knowledge of open source software
 such as GRASS?
 
 Two of the panelists answered.  One said
 
  More generally, the ability to create custom software solutions - whether
 proprietary or open source or a combination of the two - is in high demand.
 
 which is a good, healthy response.  But the other said
 
  Not seeing positions posted with GRASS.
 
 which is disappointing of course, but probably not surprising.  Would have
 been interesting to see if any other open source keywords (qgis?
 mapserver? Osm?) ever got any hits with them.
 
 
 http://www.directionsmag.com/articles/geospatial-occupations-qa-part-one
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs

2010-10-05 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 ...it would be easy to determine what the URL for...

Alas, it is not clear to me that, even within the US, there is a universally 
recognized canonicalization of the place name hierarchy, much less the names 
themselves.

For example, you refer to california, as opposed to state_of_california, 
and yet you refer to city of stockton as opposed to stockton.  Further, 
strictly speaking certain states actually commonwealths (and, similarly, 
counties are parishes).  And let's not talk about geographic entities that the 
post office recognizes but the local government does not.

The mind, alas, boggles.

(But maybe I'm reading more into your proposal than you meant, or I'm taking 
your example too literally?)

-mpg


-Original Message-
From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:46 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs

A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done about 
the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about a standard 
way to represent places, place names, place data on the web.
(I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.)

I thought it would be awesome if there was a way to create a unique URL for 
places that was somewhat intelligent to humans. If this URL could point to a 
folder on a server with some basic information about a place, that would be 
even better.

So I took a stab at creating this type of URL for my city, the City of 
Stockton. Here it is:

http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st
ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/

You can see the URL follows a logical hierarchy, and it would be easy to 
determine what the URL for the City of Sacramento, San Joaquin County, or 
Victory Park in the City of Stockton would be. Obviously the 
continent/country/state/county/city/location URL pattern would have to change 
for other parts of the world.

I put a very simple HTML file with data about the City of Stockton here:

http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st
ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/info.html

The current info.html file is just a skeleton. It's more of a place holder 
right now than anything else.

My thought was to also put a WKT file (place.wkt) representing the location of 
the place and a simple text file (data.txt) with facts about the place at this 
same URL:

http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st
ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/

Now, if someone wanted to write content about the City of Stockton, they could 
simply do something like this:

a
href=http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/uni
ted_states_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/S
tockton/a

If everyone that was putting web content about Stockton online did the same 
thing, search engine and other tools would be able to link data from this web 
content to a single location.

This becomes even more powerful if we come up with some rules for the content 
of the info.html file, place.wkt file, and the data text file.
Here are some examples: 

(1) Specify that the place.wkt file have both a point and a polygon WKT 
representation, or a linestring representation, of the place when appropriate. 

(2) Specify that the info.html file use a list with alternate place names. This 
list would be identified with an html class value of alternate_place_names.

(3) Specify that the data.txt file contain a relationships section that can 
contain an optional relationship in the form of: City is the County Seat of 
County. (Stockton is the County Seat of San Joaquin County.)

(4) Standardize the way common place facts are stored in the data.txt file. 
Population and area are examples.

I realize there are some problems with this overall scheme. How do you store a 
city that straddles a state boundary, for example? Or what if you want to have 
a URL for the location of the Pacific Garbage Patch?

However, I think we could use this system to uniquely identify and describe a 
lot of places in the world. We could then work on how to handle the edge cases.

Is anyone else interested in ironing out the kinks for a system like this? Is 
there already a system like this in place? (If so, I have just revealed my 
great ignorance to everyone on this mailing list.) 

I'm interested in setting something up that could be maintained by a group of 
geospatial professionals, and not by any one company.

I'm not sure how this system I describe would tie in with geonames. My first 
reaction when I stumbled on geonames is I couldn't find a unique and human 
understandable URL for a place.

Still, I'm interested in microformats and place names, and I'd like to see a 
system like this that was open and 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs

2010-10-05 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but if we could just get enough people to all submit data for 
their own local areas using arbitrary free-form textual tags and maybe provide 
a voting mechanism for the best submissions, then we could...

Oh, wait -- never mind.

-mpg


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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:19 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs

All attempts to construct simple ontologies end up reinventing RDF .. ?

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net 
wrote:

 How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some 
 cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other 
 counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.)

 How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario?

 Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, 
 because the world is Fuzzier than you realize.

 -- Chris

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010

2010-08-17 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Perhaps I missed it, but with the exception of Paolo, I don't see any 
statements from the nominees themselves?  We've done that in past years, and I 
think it has been helpful to some of us.

-mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
 Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:13 PM
 To: c...@osgeo.org; OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo-Board
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010
 
 OSGeo Charter Members,
 
 The board election for 2010 has begun. The 2010 nominee list is
 available here:
 
   http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2010
 
 Please take the time to read the full list, then send your votes to
 c...@osgeo.org.
 
 * Only Charter Members are eligible to vote
 * Choose four names from Board Member Nominations 2010 list
 
   Arnulf Christl
   Frank Warmerdam
   Venkatesh Raghavan
   Tim Schaub
   Lorenzo Becchi
   Daniel Morissette
   Paolo Cavallini
 
 * Email c...@osgeo.org with a list of up to 4 names
 * You can cast up to 4 votes, for 4 different people. Multiple votes
 for one person will be counted as one vote.
 * Voting closes midnight (your timezone) 25-August-2010
 * Results will be posted at Board Election 2010 Results
 * Contact c...@osgeo.org with questions
 
 Thanks,
 
 Paul Ramsey
 OSGeo Chief Returning Officer 2010
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010

2010-08-17 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Ah, sorry, I scanned the first couple too quickly then jumped to the end too 
fast.  But, still, there's little or nothing there from too many of the 
candidates.

By this metric, so far Daniel and Paolo get my votes...

-mpg



 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette
 Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:23 AM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010
 
 Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
  Perhaps I missed it, but with the exception of Paolo, I don't see any
 statements from the nominees themselves?  We've done that in past
 years, and I think it has been helpful to some of us.
 
 
 The statements from the others who provided one are *after* the
 nomination text in the same Wiki page at
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2010
 
 --
 Daniel Morissette
 http://www.mapgears.com/
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapters Mailing List

2010-07-08 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'm here from the CUGOS gang (Seattle and environs).

-mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Seven (aka Arnulf)
 Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:51 PM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapters Mailing List
 
 Hello,
 we have created a new mailing list for Local Chapters. If you are a
 liaison officer of a Local Chapter or interested in creating one then
 please hop on this this list:
 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/local-chapters
 
 It is intended to allow for a dialog on what Local Chapters are and
 what
 you thing they can achieve. The overarching vision is to support and
 integrate initiatives around Free and Open Source Geospatial in the
 local context.
 
 Best regards,
 Arnulf
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: land records management with open source GIS

2010-06-22 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
  A friend of mine is working in a SA country that has a new policy that
  all software at the national level must be non-commercial open source.
 
 One of these clauses makes sense, one of them does not. Why would you
 limit yourself to *non* commercial Open Source?

(I parsed the original as meaning non-commercial [and] open source, with 
non-commercial being a technically incorrect but informally understood term 
meaning not proprietary -- redundant, in this case, with the use of the term 
open.)

-mpg

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] 5 Star OSGeo project maturity rating

2010-06-10 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 that projects that have applied for

Good...

 or are mature enough to apply

...But does mature enough mean Criteria 1-3 are met, or that some of the 
Desirables are met too, or..?

-mpg


From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:45 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 5 Star OSGeo project maturity rating

On 11/06/10 01:59, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

(Along those lines, I'd also ask precisely what ready to start incubation 
means...)

Ready to start incubation implies that projects that have applied for, or are 
mature enough to apply, can be ranked at the same level as projects in 
incubation.

I propose we use OSGeo's criteria for selecting incubation candidates here:
http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/evaluation.html

(At some point we should revisit OSGeo's checklists, but lets leave that for 
another email thread and for the moment we use what we have).




--

Cameron Shorter

Criteria

 1.  The code is under an OSI approved license (data  doc projects need to 
specify their choice for a type of license).
 2.  The project is willing to keep code clear of encumbrances
 3.  The project is geospatial, or directly in support of geospatial 
applications.

Desirable
The following are desirable traits of projects entering into the community:

 1.  Open source software is already reasonably mature (working quality code).
 2.  Project already has a substantial user community.
 3.  Project already has a substantial and diverse developer community.
 4.  Project members are aware of, and implements support for, relevant 
standards (ie. OGC, etc).
 5.  Project has linkages with existing foundation projects.
 6.  Project fills a gap related to software that the foundation supports.
 7.  Project is prepared to develop in an open and collaborative fashion.
 8.  Project has contributions and interest from more than just one 
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repository, web site, wiki, mailing list, etc) to foundation support 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing list for .NET work?

2010-03-26 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'm thinking there might be a reasonable number of .NET folks lurking around 
here, and that it might be nice to have a mailing list for .NET-specific open 
source geo work -- what projects are being done, what issues people have, etc, 
etc.

If interested, send email (to me or to list, at your preference) and we'll see 
how much support there is.

[Pls don't hijack this thread for arguing about how open/closed .NET is.]

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: GeoWeb CFP Deadline Is This Friday, March 12th]

2010-03-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
[ Some of you know I've been involved in this conference in the past, and 
indeed am again this year.  I like it because it is a very different sort of 
conference: an unusual mix of industry, academia, government, and other.  If 
you're interested in submitting or have any questions, feel free to ping me. ]

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 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
 Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:44 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: GeoWeb CFP Deadline Is This Friday,
 March 12th]
 
 FYI - if you need an excuse to go to Vancouver, submit your abstracts
 for GeoWeb this week.  Several OSGeo friends are usually there.
 
 Tyler
 
 
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 GeoWeb 2010 Conference Submission Deadline
 Abstracts are Due this Friday (March 12th)
 
 Want to be in the Program? Time is Running Out!
 The deadline is fast approaching. Abstracts can be submitted online no
 later than 4pm PST Friday, March 12th. The emphasis for GeoWeb 2010 is
 Going Real Time. GeoWeb is about the technologies for information
 sharing and collaboration respecting events and activities in the real
 world. It is about designing our world and reacting to the changes in
 the world around us. It is about managing our way in the world using
 the
 best information about the current and probable future state(s) of the
 world.
 
 All submissions must include a title, theme, a detail abstract (200
 words) and a short description (75 words). Presentation sessions will
 be 35 minutes in length. Workshops will be 3 hours in length and should
 focus on a key technology or standard.
 
 Presenters will be chosen based on a formal selection process led by
 the
 2010 GeoWeb Planning Committee and will be notified of the status of
 their submission by March 25, 2010. Please note that all approved
 presenters will be provided with a 25% discount on the registration fee
 but are responsible for their own travel and expenses.
 
 To learn more about GeoWeb, the details for the Call for Submissions,
 please visit GeoWebConference.org. Questions can be directed to James
 Sakamoto.
 
 Be Connected, Spread the Word
 Watch previous keynote and invited speakers, make comments, or chime in
 on a discussion. Stay connected to the GeoWeb Community:
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Re: IS EVERYONE HERE FAST ASLEEP? was: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OKF / OSGeo response to the consultation on opening Ordnance Survey data

2010-02-24 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Ditto - it seemed sort of so obvious that I assumed Our Board would  
just Do the Right Thing.

+2

.mpg

On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:30 AM, Chris Puttick chris.putt...@thehumanjourney.net 
  wrote:

 Sorry Jo; Schuyler, personally I hadn't realised a response would be  
 necessary. I'd assumed it would be a given that OSGeo would be  
 supporting this...

 So +1 to what Jo said.

 And come to think of it, +1 to what Schuyler said too!

 Chris


 - Schuyler Erle schuy...@nocat.net wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 16:26 +0100, Jo Walsh wrote:
 dear a...@osgeo,

 In sending this mail I'm following the protocol for letters of
 support
 coming from OSGeo:

 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Protocol_for_requesting_letter_of_support

 As you may have heard, there's a public consultation running in the
 UK
 on options for open licensing national mapping data maintained by
 Ordnance Survey.

 Is everyone on this mailing list dead? Or asleep? How is it that no
 one
 has responded to this inquiry yet? Have we not, at least some of us,
 been agitating for the proposed outcome for years? Does this issue
 not,
 at least in principle, affect us all? Have you all forgotten that
 your
 software is awesome, but it's useless -- without data?

 I want to go on record as being 100% in favor of OSGeo providing a
 letter of support for this response to the OSGB consultation. The
 principle of Open Public Data is completely in harmony with the
 ideals
 and objectives of the OSGeo Foundation. This is a chance for us to  
 see
 a
 change for the better in Ordnance Survey policy, a change that will
 serve as a signal example to other NMAs around the world.

 *Please* simply respond to the previous email with at least a +1 or a
 single word of support, if you'd like to see the OSGeo Board respond
 to
 this request in the affirmative. *Please*, for the love of God, don't
 let us as a community deserve to be ashamed of ourselves for our own
 ungenerous apathy. According to the Board's protocol for such things,
 you only have a few hours, so pipe up now, while you have the chance.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Anyone going to GeoInt this month?

2009-10-06 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'm going to be at the GeoInt conference in San Antonio in a couple weeks -- if 
a few others of you are are, maybe we could meet for lunch or something?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] And is anyone going to, umm, the PDC show?

2009-10-06 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Okay, so the odds are pretty slim, but: if anyone's going to PDC (the Microsoft 
developers conference) next month, I'd be happy to do a meetup there too.

(I'm interested in seeing what's new with MSFT's geo support -- Bing  Friends 
-- as it's been a couple years since I've looked into what they're doing.  I'm 
also interested to see what buzz is on their new Codeplex open source 
initiative...)

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I agree, we don't want to compete directly with anyone nor do we want to take 
an adversarial political stance.

However, I'd offer that while the level of awareness of open source GIS 
offerings has much improved over the past couple years, it still has a ways to 
go and OSGeo can be a force for good in that area.


-mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
 
 Christopher Schmidt wrote:
  On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:28:20PM +0200, Cédric Moullet wrote:
  I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the
  GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has
 an
  important contradictor: from my point of view, this is what needs to
 be
  changed in the next 5 years.
 
  If someone wants to compete with ESRI -- that's fine. We should
  support them insofar as we can with community resources, shared
 userbases,
  and feedback. But it is not the job of OSGeo to make these projects
  successful -- only to help them succeed based on their own efforts.
 
 Especially, when one or two  of the mentioned companies have supported
 OSGeo Foundation a lot.
 
 A holy war is something that should be avoided at most. It should not
 be
 about how to compete and win the market, but about how to effectively
 collaborate in wide range of areas.
 
 Best regards,
 --
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo
 groups? Does OSGeo have a strategy to
 build communication with them?

You mean groups like local ESRI chapters, ASPRS chapters, GIS professionals, 
etc?

I'd encourage the local chapters to find such non-OSGeo local groups and offer 
to crash^H^H^H^H^Hattend one of their meetings and do a presentation on what 
OSGeo has to offer.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Thinking aloud, a possible contrarian view:

A goal like to produce a comprehensive suite of tools [that do X or Y]... 
doesn't likely fit with OSGeo's broad membership and interests.  We are an 
umbrella organization representing a number of projects, each with its own 
unique goals and agendas.  It is unlikely OSGeo would be able to produce a 
specific tool just because (hypothetically) the Board says we should: open 
source folks often don't take top-down direction well, unless it meets their 
own personal needs and agendas.

Which is not to say that an analytical tool suite is a bad idea, just that it 
seems unlikely to be a worthy goal at that level of the hierarchy.

-mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
 boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of René A. Enguehard
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
 
 What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
 tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
 the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However,
 as I have noticed over the years, people are reluctant to move to open
 source implementations of geospatial software because they are, in
 effect, losing capabilities. Yes, there is still the potential for the
 same capabilities to be put back in, but the fact remains they just
 aren't there. For example, I have never seen any MCDA, PCA, HotSpot
 Analysis, CART or neural network tools in open source packages. If we
 were to produce a comprehensive suite of tools offering the standard
 analytical tools as well as some more advanced ones, then these
 proprietary offerings wouldn't look as appealing. Moreover, if we had a
 consolidated toolset which could be used on a multitude of project we
 would not have to re-invent the wheel for each separate project.
 Currently, proprietary software generally offers advanced analytic
 capability out-of-the-box and open source software does not. I see this
 as a bit of a stumbling block.
 
 Another thing, and I was chatting about this in the lab today, is that
 for particular needs, open source implementations of geospatial
 software
 generally don't have much to offer. The generic capabilities are there,
 or at least enabled for others to program, but special-needs cases
 there
 is not much. The example used today in the lab was CARIS HIPS or SIPS.
 What, if anything, exists in the open source community that could come
 close to the processing capabilities of this?
 
 Still another area with a lack of development is 3D and 4D modeling /
 rendering / analysis, something like ESRI ArcGlobe with the 3D Analyst
 package or Myriax Eonfusion. There has been very little work in these
 domains which are of particular interest to me. Perhaps the amount of
 people working in these areas is much smaller than the amount of people
 using something more like general analytic capabilities, but it is an
 area that needs work nonetheless.
 
 The point, and I'd like to make this clear, is not the I'm bemoaning
 the
 lack of features and projects in the open source community. I think
 OSGeo and the open source community have done a tremendous job and
 should feel, rightfully, proud at what they have accomplished. However,
 when asked what I'd like to see on the agenda for OSGeo, this is it.
 I'd
 like to see a hard push towards analytics to make the various projects
 we have to offer more directly useful to the average GIS user. In the
 end, it's really about market penetration. The more useful open source
 software is, the better a deal it looks like to outsiders and the
 more
 people we'll attract.
 
 Please note: I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself, IANAL,
 just
 my two cents, your mileage may vary, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam.
 
 Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
  Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo
 over
  the next 3 and 5 years.  I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
 matter
  and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
  committees, projects, chapters and the board.
 
  It's also a good way for the board nominees in the upcoming election
 to
  get a sense of where other members are thinking these days.
 
  Best wishes,
  Tyler
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Insurance for contractors?

2009-09-14 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I received a surprising number (+20) of responses to this, many off-list.  My 
unscientific summary is as follows:

* some people responded privately, indicating they do not have insurance and 
would rather I not
  publicize the issue lest their erstwhile employees suddenly take notice :-)

* in the US, sole proprietorship is the way to go for simple one-person, 
garage-based shops

* seems that a significant percentage of employers aren't going to ask and/or 
just don't care,
  and of those that do ask many will waive it if you explain you're too small 
to afford it --
  this is certainly the case for small employers (big employers may just make 
it a hard requirement,
  knowing they will have enough bidders that someone will meet the criteria)

* IEEE and possibly other such orgs offer professional liability insurance at 
reasonable rates,
  (for some definition of reasonable)

* if you're a (US?) govt contractor, seems like you'll almost certainly need to 
have insurance;
  if you're bidding for contracts, things get messy fast

* and if you're doing contract work that seems to require it, just bake it in 
as a line item
  in the contract bid -- see if you can just pass the extra costs along

* for longer contracts, some employers will offer the option of taking you on 
as a temporary
  employee (which means you're covered by the company's policy)

* for some employers, having insurance might give you more credibility as a 
professional
  player -- but it also may be that as open source itself gains more street 
cred, this becomes
  less critical

* and, finally, like all insurance, the odds are overwhelmingly against you 
ever needing to
  have to actually USE it...


Here's a pretty typical response:

 Do I carry insurance?  No.

 Insurance adds significant administrative and financial overhead to a one man 
 shop.  If you
 want the one man shop price, you more often than not need to be willing to go 
 without them
 having insurance.

 If you think about it, this isn't a bad arrangement anyway.  You're not going 
 to give the one
 man shop such an important thing that you're going to have to turn around and 
 sue them are you?
 You're one man contract is for doing dirty things that you don't have time or 
 motivation to do,
 not mission critical business work.  If you *are* having your one man 
 contract do mission
 critical work, you have bigger problems than whether or not they have 
 liability insurance 
 in my opinion.


The happy news is that I was able to (oh so gently...) push back to our 
accounting and HR departments on the insurance requirement, using the above 
typical response and the prevailing evidence I gathered from this thread 
showing that most of you don't have insurance and yet, happily, the sun still 
rises every morning.

Thanks to all who responded!

-mpg







 -Original Message-
 From: Michael P. Gerlek
 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:03 AM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Insurance for contractors?
 
 In the past I've hired some people for contract or consultant work
 (both open source projects and more general stuff) -- generally these
 people have been independent, one-man shops found by word of mouth and
 reputation, as opposed to hiring someone from an agency.
 
 I'm getting pushback now from the administrative side of my company
 saying that any contractor I hire needs to have proof of insurance.  I
 understand the legal reasons for this, but I'm wondering how many of
 you out there actually have business/contractors insurance?  Do
 companies you work for insist on it, or not?  And how many of you are
 formally set up as LLCs or sole proprietorships or such?
 
 [while this is likely a US-centric issue from the hiring side, I'm
 interested in international responses too since I've hired some
 foreigners as well over the years]
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] How not to read a patent

2009-09-03 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Fresh on the heels of word that Google has patented the idea of a search web 
page [1] and the recent discussions of the value and meaning of patents here 
and elsewhere, I offer a link to Rob Weir's great advice on how to read patents 
[2].

[1] http://gawker.com/5350982/google-patents-worlds-simplest-home-page

[2] http://www.robweir.com/blog/labels/patents.html

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Insurance for contractors?

2009-08-31 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
In the past I've hired some people for contract or consultant work (both open 
source projects and more general stuff) -- generally these people have been 
independent, one-man shops found by word of mouth and reputation, as opposed to 
hiring someone from an agency.

I'm getting pushback now from the administrative side of my company saying that 
any contractor I hire needs to have proof of insurance.  I understand the legal 
reasons for this, but I'm wondering how many of you out there actually have 
business/contractors insurance?  Do companies you work for insist on it, or 
not?  And how many of you are formally set up as LLCs or sole proprietorships 
or such?

[while this is likely a US-centric issue from the hiring side, I'm interested 
in international responses too since I've hired some foreigners as well over 
the years]

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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Insurance for contractors?

2009-08-31 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Well, this is interesting...

I've already received a number of private responses from people who do not have 
insurance but wish to remain anonymous so their potential employers don't ask 
about it.

Feel free to email me directly with your responses to the below questions, and 
I'll post a summary in a few days with no names attached.

-mpg


-Original Message-
From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:03 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Insurance for contractors?

In the past I've hired some people for contract or consultant work (both open 
source projects and more general stuff) -- generally these people have been 
independent, one-man shops found by word of mouth and reputation, as opposed to 
hiring someone from an agency.

I'm getting pushback now from the administrative side of my company saying that 
any contractor I hire needs to have proof of insurance.  I understand the legal 
reasons for this, but I'm wondering how many of you out there actually have 
business/contractors insurance?  Do companies you work for insist on it, or 
not?  And how many of you are formally set up as LLCs or sole proprietorships 
or such?

[while this is likely a US-centric issue from the hiring side, I'm interested 
in international responses too since I've hired some foreigners as well over 
the years]

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-25 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
To be clear, it's not an effort I have the bandwidth for personally.  But if 
there were qualified developers interested in taking it on, I might be in a 
position to offer project guidance and a small amount of funding.

-mpg


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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:12 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

OK. I'm not an expert on images, but I'd be interested in working with
you. However, I avoid C++ like a lethal strain of the Swine Flu. :]

I may give some more thought to some of Bob's ideas about making it
easier to work with image tiles.

Thanks.

Landon
Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:19 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary
Algorithms

I've not given it much thought recently, to be honest.  I'd need to
review the current state of things in OpenJp2 (or whatever it's called)
to see where they are at, what changes would be realistic and viable,
how amenable they'd be to taking patches versus a fork, etc.  Done
properly, the work would have no geo specific component at all -- it
would just be a new version of some of the internal algorithms.  The
test case would simply be to encode and decode an 500 GB(?) raw file on
a box with 2 GB (?) of RAM.

I would certainly not want anyone to have to build a whole new jp2
library from scratch, if that's what you meant.  I'd really only be
interested in C++ (or possibly mono-safe C#).

-mpg


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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:11 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary
Algorithms

MPG:

When you say effort do you mean some sort of library to support JP2
geo side of things?

What programming language would you be most interested in? C++?

Landon
Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
 
 

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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:59 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary
Algorithms

It would not be a good SoC thing, due to the level of expertise and time
required.

I (LizardTech) would likely be willing to contribute to such an effort.

-mpg


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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Fawcett, David
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:11 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary
Algorithms


I realize that there are likely not a large number of people who have
the expertise and experience to write this kind of code.  

Is this a project that should be shopped around for funding?  Google
Summer of Code?  A grant from our ~benevolent overlord Google?  Some
other foundation or org interested in open data formats?  

David.
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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:36 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary
Algorithms
snip


 Do you know why there hasn't been a broader adoption of JP2?

Not through lack of trying on my part :-)

I think the two biggest reasons are:

(1) The algorithms for handling large images in memory really are rocket
science, and no one in the FOSS community has gotten the itch
sufficiently bad enough to go and do the work needed inside the existing
open source packages.  Hopefully someday someone will.


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-24 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
It would not be a good SoC thing, due to the level of expertise and time 
required.

I (LizardTech) would likely be willing to contribute to such an effort.

-mpg


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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:11 AM
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I realize that there are likely not a large number of people who have
the expertise and experience to write this kind of code.  

Is this a project that should be shopped around for funding?  Google
Summer of Code?  A grant from our ~benevolent overlord Google?  Some
other foundation or org interested in open data formats?  

David.
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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:36 PM
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 Do you know why there hasn't been a broader adoption of JP2?

Not through lack of trying on my part :-)

I think the two biggest reasons are:

(1) The algorithms for handling large images in memory really are rocket
science, and no one in the FOSS community has gotten the itch
sufficiently bad enough to go and do the work needed inside the existing
open source packages.  Hopefully someday someone will.


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-24 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I've not given it much thought recently, to be honest.  I'd need to review the 
current state of things in OpenJp2 (or whatever it's called) to see where they 
are at, what changes would be realistic and viable, how amenable they'd be to 
taking patches versus a fork, etc.  Done properly, the work would have no geo 
specific component at all -- it would just be a new version of some of the 
internal algorithms.  The test case would simply be to encode and decode an 500 
GB(?) raw file on a box with 2 GB (?) of RAM.

I would certainly not want anyone to have to build a whole new jp2 library from 
scratch, if that's what you meant.  I'd really only be interested in C++ (or 
possibly mono-safe C#).

-mpg


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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:11 PM
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MPG:

When you say effort do you mean some sort of library to support JP2
geo side of things?

What programming language would you be most interested in? C++?

Landon
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It would not be a good SoC thing, due to the level of expertise and time
required.

I (LizardTech) would likely be willing to contribute to such an effort.

-mpg


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I realize that there are likely not a large number of people who have
the expertise and experience to write this kind of code.  

Is this a project that should be shopped around for funding?  Google
Summer of Code?  A grant from our ~benevolent overlord Google?  Some
other foundation or org interested in open data formats?  

David.
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 Do you know why there hasn't been a broader adoption of JP2?

Not through lack of trying on my part :-)

I think the two biggest reasons are:

(1) The algorithms for handling large images in memory really are rocket
science, and no one in the FOSS community has gotten the itch
sufficiently bad enough to go and do the work needed inside the existing
open source packages.  Hopefully someday someone will.


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Tiling essentially means you can take a large file and compress pieces of it 
independently.  This avoids having to deal with the large memory footprint 
issues, but it can also lead to seam-line artifacts under certain conditions.  
Ideally, one would prefer to have the option of compressing large images 
without resorting to using tiles.

Note too that, in addition to the large image issue, many of the JP2 
implementations out there are either not fully compliant or are not tuned for 
performance.  A viable solution would need both of these.

-mpg


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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Chris Puttick
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and 
ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Well, according to this page: http://jpeg2000.epfl.ch/ v.5.1, courtesy in part 
Eastman Kodak, provides complete JP2 support at the decoding side - not sure 
whether that covers the tiling or other geo needs, but doesn't it sound worth 
investigating?

Chris


- Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:27:13AM -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
  Thanks for the information Michael. I am downloading Opticks right
 now.
  :]
  
  I also found this Java library for JP2, thought I'm not sure how
  complete/up-to-date it is:
  
  http://jj2000.epfl.ch/
  
  Maybe we need a JPEG 2000 page on the OSGeo wiki.
 
 Note that JPEG 2000 support is different from JPEG 2000 support
 which
 works on geo-sized images. The tiling (or 'paging'? as Michael calls
 it) support that's supposed to be provided by OpenJPEG2000 has been
 coming 'real soon now' for about 18 months now from my uneducated
 observations, and until it's there, most tools using OpenJPEG for JP2s
 are
 going to suffering under much the same limitations.
 
 -- Chris
 
  Landon
  Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
  Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
   
   
  
  -Original Message-
  From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
  [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Considine,
 Michael
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:09 AM
  To: OSGeo Discussions
  Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and
  ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
  
  All,
  
  Opticks is an open source remote sensing application and
 development
  framework. We recently started the process to add JPEG 2000 support
 to
  our framework. We picked OpenJpeg to add JPEG 2000 support to our
  application. They are also open source. We currently support
 importing
  JPEG 2000 files but we are currently limited to the 4GB memory size
  after decoding.
  
  Our plan is to continue development and to upgrade to OpenJpeg 2.0
 once
  they have a stable release. That will allow Opticks to use a pager
 to
  display and support much larger files.
  
  Michael Considine
  
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  From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
  [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
 Bannerman
  Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:15 PM
  To: 'OSGeo Discussions'
  Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary
  Algorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
  
  
  IMO:
  
  
  Just another thought on this issue (though we do seem to be
 recycling
  arguments over the years...):
  
  
  Assuming that I have a very large archive of spatial data, be it
 imagery
  or any other spatial format and that I store my data in a variety
 of
  proprietary formats:
  
  
  In ten years from now, can I be sure that:
  
  - the company that created, understands, and holds the IP in the 
data format will still be around?
  
  - there will still be software that runs on the then current
operating environment, that can read and 'fully exploit' the data
in the proprietary standard?
  
  - that this future software will work seamlessly with my then
 current 
spatial environment?
  
  - if all of the above risks prove to eventuate, can I be sure that
 I'll
be able to salvage my data into another format, retaining its
 complete
  
semantic context?
  
  
  IMO, it is a high risk proposition to lock public (or private)
 archives
  away in proprietary data formats. It makes more sense to use open
  standards and formats that are publically available.
  
  
  
  Bruce Bannerman
  
  
  
   
  
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   From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
   [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
   P. Gerlek
   Sent: Friday, 21 August 2009 6:55 AM
   To: OSGeo Discussions
   Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and 
   Proprietary Algorithms
   
   Some clarifications:
   

   
   - MrSID has both lossy and lossless modes
   
   - MrSID is not fractal based; it uses wavelets (and 
   arithmetic encoding)
   
   - you can't copyright algorithms; the MrSID source code 
   certainly is, however
   
   - MrSID relies on a number of patents, not all

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Not a stupid question -- but it doesn't work that way.  The artifacts are due 
to the wavelet processing of the pixels near the tile boundaries, and the 
boundaries have to be treated reflectively within their individual tiles (in 
order to keep each tile separate), which means you can sometimes see where 
those boundaries are.  Overlapping doesn't help because the wavelet footprint 
spans a large width, in order to handle the lower-resolution scales.  Which in 
turn means you need to be able reach far away parts of the image at various 
(some might say arbitrary) stages in the wavelet pipeline.
 
Just trust me, it is a nontrivial problem to solve.  Brighter minds than ours 
have spent a lot of energy on this problem -- a literature search would reveal 
a number of PhD theses and patents.

-mpg


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On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:45 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats 
andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

MPG wrote: Tiling essentially means you can take a large file and
compress pieces of it independently.  This avoids having to deal with
the large memory footprint issues, but it can also lead to seam-line
artifacts under certain conditions.  Ideally, one would prefer to have
the option of compressing large images without resorting to using
tiles.

This is probably a stupid question, since I know absolutely nothing
about image compression, but couldn't you overlap the tiles slightly to
avoid the seam lines?

This would obviously result in a slightly larger file size because some
pixels would be compressed twice. But that might be OK if you were
trying to compress a huge image.

What about reading chunks of the image off disk, instead of trying to
put the whole image in memory? This would be slower, but might make an
impossible task possible.

We run into this problem with vector datasets to. Some datasets are just
to stinking BIG. One of my tasks for OpenJUMP is to write a core module
that displays vector data accessed directly from disk, instead of from
memory. This will be slower, but it is better than crashing the program
because there isn't enough RAM.

Things must be more complicated than can be described in an e-mail,
because we've got people a lot smarter than me working on these
problems. I am just curious. (I tried reading about wavelet compression
on Wikipedia yesterday and quickly got a headache.) :]

Landon
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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:36 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats
andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Tiling essentially means you can take a large file and compress pieces
of it independently.  This avoids having to deal with the large memory
footprint issues, but it can also lead to seam-line artifacts under
certain conditions.  Ideally, one would prefer to have the option of
compressing large images without resorting to using tiles.

Note too that, in addition to the large image issue, many of the JP2
implementations out there are either not fully compliant or are not
tuned for performance.  A viable solution would need both of these.

-mpg


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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Chris Puttick
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:37 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and
ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Well, according to this page: http://jpeg2000.epfl.ch/ v.5.1, courtesy
in part Eastman Kodak, provides complete JP2 support at the decoding
side - not sure whether that covers the tiling or other geo needs, but
doesn't it sound worth investigating?

Chris


- Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:27:13AM -0700, Landon Blake wrote:
  Thanks for the information Michael. I am downloading Opticks right
 now.
  :]
  
  I also found this Java library for JP2, thought I'm not sure how
  complete/up-to-date it is:
  
  http://jj2000.epfl.ch/
  
  Maybe we need a JPEG 2000 page on the OSGeo wiki.
 
 Note that JPEG 2000 support is different from JPEG 2000 support
 which
 works on geo-sized images. The tiling (or 'paging'? as Michael calls
 it) support that's supposed to be provided by OpenJPEG2000 has been
 coming 'real soon now' for about 18 months now from my uneducated
 observations, and until it's there, most tools using OpenJPEG for JP2s
 are
 going to suffering under much the same limitations.
 
 -- Chris
 
  Landon
  Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
  Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
   
   
  
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 Someone earlier in this thread spoke about some of these technologies 
 being somewhat obsolete what with the new network and bandwidth speeds 
 available for publishing.

I think the comment was that by hiding the data behind a server, you can reduce 
the users' exposure to a myriad of file formats, some possibly proprietary.  
It's a good point.

You still need to store the data on the servers, though, so the technologies 
themselves are by no means obsolete -- it's just a question of who has to deal 
with them.

-mpg





From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Bob Basques
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:28 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; Ivan Lucena
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File 
FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

All, 

Can someone remind me again, are we talking about saving space, or making it 
easier to implement something . . .  :c) 

I personally prefer nice simple internal pyramided tiles with indexing, about 
10% extra space, and very good performance. 

Someone earlier in this thread spoke about some of these technologies being 
somewhat obsolete what with the new network and bandwidth speeds available for 
publishing. 

bobb 



 Lucena, Ivan ivan.luc...@pmldnet.com wrote:
But you can't compress data types other than byte in JPG. Can you do that in 
JP2K?


  ---Original Message---
  From: Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com
  Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open 
FileFormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
  Sent: Aug 21 '09 12:42
 
  Paul,
 
  I was wondering the same thing.
 
  It seems a little like choosing to drive a Honda Accord, or a Ferrari.
  The Ferrari is a lot faster and comes with a better looking trophy wife
  (or husband), but the Honda is a lot easier to fix. (Try finding an
  affordable Ferrari mechanic in Stockton, California.)
 
  To tie this back into our original discussion, it seems like the
  government should be choosing to drive a Honda Accord when it can,
  instead of the Ferrari.
 
  I guess you'd really have to crunch the numbers and see if the savings
  in bandwidth/disk space costs were really worth the compression savings
  that result from a proprietary compression scheme (wavelet black
  magic).
 
  The problem with this is a lot of the benefits that come from the Honda
  Accord (open image format + open compression algorithm) aren't easily
  calculated in dollars and cents.
 
  Still, this speaks to an important truth I have discovered in open
  source development: Simple is better, even when it isn't necessarily
  faster and smaller.
 
  I'd rather have code that I can understand, or a file format that a
  programmer in 20 years will understand, than a Ferrari you can't drive
  unless you have a PHD and did a thesis on wavelet compression. :]
 
  Landon
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  Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
 
 
 
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  [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:36 AM
  To: OSGeo Discussions
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File
  FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
 
  So hung up on wavelets, we are.
 
  Internally tiled TIFF with JPEG compression and similarly formatted
  internal overviews can achieve 10:1 compression rates without
  noticeable image quality reductions, and as an added bonus can be
  decompressed a heck of a lot faster than wavelet-based formats. The
  wavelet stuff is k00l, in that there is no need for an overview
  pyramid (it's implicit in the compression math) and much higher
  compression rates can be achieved. But operationally, you can go a
  long way with the more primitive (open image format + open compression
  algorithm) approach.
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Yes, JP2 supports signed and unsigned types of up to ~24 bits.  And lots of 
channels (bands).  And alpha masking.  And arbitrary metadata blobs (geospatial 
and otherwise).

-mpg


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On Behalf Of Lucena, Ivan
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:22 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Discussions
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FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

But you can't compress data types other than byte in JPG. Can you do that in 
JP2K?


  ---Original Message---
  From: Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com
  Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File   
 FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
  Sent: Aug 21 '09 12:42
  
  Paul,
  
  I was wondering the same thing.
  
  It seems a little like choosing to drive a Honda Accord, or a Ferrari.
  The Ferrari is a lot faster and comes with a better looking trophy wife
  (or husband), but the Honda is a lot easier to fix. (Try finding an
  affordable Ferrari mechanic in Stockton, California.)
  
  To tie this back into our original discussion, it seems like the
  government should be choosing to drive a Honda Accord when it can,
  instead of the Ferrari.
  
  I guess you'd really have to crunch the numbers and see if the savings
  in bandwidth/disk space costs were really worth the compression savings
  that result from a proprietary compression scheme (wavelet black
  magic).
  
  The problem with this is a lot of the benefits that come from the Honda
  Accord (open image format + open compression algorithm) aren't easily
  calculated in dollars and cents.
  
  Still, this speaks to an important truth I have discovered in open
  source development: Simple is better, even when it isn't necessarily
  faster and smaller.
  
  I'd rather have code that I can understand, or a file format that a
  programmer in 20 years will understand, than a Ferrari you can't drive
  unless you have a PHD and did a thesis on wavelet compression. :]
  
  Landon
  Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
  Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
  [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:36 AM
  To: OSGeo Discussions
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File
  FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
  
  So hung up on wavelets, we are.
  
  Internally tiled TIFF with JPEG compression and similarly formatted
  internal overviews can achieve 10:1 compression rates without
  noticeable image quality reductions, and as an added bonus can be
  decompressed a heck of a lot faster than wavelet-based formats. The
  wavelet stuff is k00l, in that there is no need for an overview
  pyramid (it's implicit in the compression math) and much higher
  compression rates can be achieved. But operationally, you can go a
  long way with the more primitive (open image format + open compression
  algorithm) approach.
  
  P.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Like the subject of patents from a couple weeks ago, we need to be careful of 
painting
these things with too broad a brush.


 I've got to have MicroStation to work with CALTRANS, AutoCAD to work with my 
 local city,
 ESRI to work with the County's GIS department, and software from LizardTech 
 to use the 
 imagery distributed by USDA for my County in MRSID format. To make it even 
 more pleasant, 
 AutoDESK breaks its file compatibility every other version or so, which means 
 my company 
 gets to purchase a license upgrade if we want to keep dealing with our 
 government clients.
 
 Money talks in United States politics, and I'm sure the big boys in the 
 software development
 throw plenty of greenbacks around when it suits there purpose.

I'm not sure what you mean by this -- lobbying?  Campaign contributions?  Yes, 
MrSID is widely
used in parts of the federal government but it is certainly not the case that 
LizardTech has
ever thrown plenty of greenbacks around to get anyone to use our file format. 
 (I doubt the
various owners of ECW ever have either.)


 I'm not saying there is a malicious intent on government agencies to make 
 life difficult.
 But I certainly don't see a widespread effort to embrace open source for its 
 benefits, or
 to look for any alternatives to the widely established monopolies.

In the case of one very prominent use of MrSID in the US federal government, an 
open standard
solution was explicitly considered as an alternative, but it was notably 
rejected in large part
because of the lack of penetration and technical expertise in the target 
marketplace and
ecosystem.

I actually see a lot of explicit government consideration of open standards and 
open source
software -- and it gets better every year.  However, adoption of new 
technologies (when done
right!) requires evaluation of a myriad of criteria, only one of which is open 
access.


-mpg (not speaking officially for LizardTech)



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Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:10 AM
To: punk...@eidesis.org; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

I'm a long ways from Washington DC and a lot closer to the Silicon Valley, 
which may be a reason why I perceive different attitudes.

I do think the new US Administration seems friendlier towards open source 
software. Still, when I think about the fight over using ODF in Maryland and 
other similar situations I realize open source software still has an uphill 
battle in many parts of the United States. This may even be truer in the 
geospatial arena than in others.

Autodesk and ESRI may be great corporate citizens, but there is no doubt in my 
mind that the control software monopolies, especially in the government market. 
This isn't just true at the federal level, but at the state and local level as 
well.

I've got to have MicroStation to work with CALTRANS, AutoCAD to work with my 
local city, ESRI to work with the County's GIS department, and software from 
LizardTech to use the imagery distributed by USDA for my County in MRSID 
format. To make it even more pleasant, AutoDESK breaks its file compatibility 
every other version or so, which means my company gets to purchase a license 
upgrade if we want to keep dealing with our government clients.

Money talks in United States politics, and I'm sure the big boys in the 
software development throw plenty of greenbacks around when it suits there 
purpose.

I'm not saying there is a malicious intent on government agencies to make life 
difficult. But I certainly don't see a widespread effort to embrace open source 
for its benefits, or to look for any alternatives to the widely established 
monopolies.

(I do know of a couple cases where some state agencies in California are making 
an effort to use open source GIS desktop software.)

Things may be very different in the web-mapping world. I'm talking about 
desktop software, since that is what I deal with 98% of the time.

But, like you, I speak from personal experience, and don't have any hard facts 
or statistics to back up my wild claims. :]

Landon
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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of P Kishor
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:53 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Landon Blakelbl...@ksninc.com wrote:
 Cameron wrote:

  Canada looks preferable to the US. I wonder how much the Canadian
 GeoConnections program is responsible for Canada's strong OSGeo
 industry.

 I believe governments in Canada are much more supportive of open source
 software than governments in the United States. In my experience, the
 attitude towards open source software held by many organizations 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Some clarifications:

- MrSID has both lossy and lossless modes
- MrSID is not fractal based; it uses wavelets (and arithmetic encoding)
- you can't copyright algorithms; the MrSID source code certainly is, however
- MrSID relies on a number of patents, not all of which are owned by LizardTech
- reading MrSID does not require any fees; we have libraries you can download, 
although they are not open source

That said, some editorial comments (although I'm now wishing I hadn't been so 
quick to rise to Landon's bait :-)

- Some of you know the history of trying to open source MrSID; I won't go into 
that here, except to say that LizardTech doesn't own all of the required IP 
needed to make that happen.
- If we are speaking of the NAIP data, then no, it is not exclusively available 
in MrSID format; it is also shipped as GeoTIFFs.
- JPEG 2000 is a very robust open standard alternative to MrSID, and a number 
of players already support it (including LizardTech), but not enough to make it 
viable for certain domains like NAIP.
- some of you also know the history on open JP2 support: there is today no open 
source implementation of JP2 that is suitable for geo work.  Alas.

-mpg


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On Behalf Of Eric Wolf
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:15 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

The MRSID format is a very special case - and perhaps an opportunity for a new 
FOSS file format. MRSID is a lossless, fractal-based, multi-scale raster 
compression format. LizardTech has the algorithms to encode and decode MRSID 
locked up in copyrights, and I believe, patents. Even companies like ESRI shell 
out big bucks to LizardTech to be able to read and write the MRSID format.

I guess I missed the context of the discussion. Is the government releasing 
certain data exclusively in this format? If so, I think the argument can be 
made against this practice. The different in compression between MRSID and 
gziped TIFFs isn't really that great in this day of cheap disks and fat pipes.

-Eric

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Landon asked:

 When you said there is today no open source implementation of JP2 that is 
 suitable for geo
 work do you mean that there is no open source library that can read and 
 write JP2? If so,
 who is using the format?

There are a few implementations of JP2 around.  The Kakadu library, which is 
extremely compliant and featureful and robust (and correspondingly extremely 
big and complicated and scary) is the best-known package: it is available only 
via licensing fees.  LizardTech uses Kakadu, in fact, and a number of geo 
vendors use either Kakadu directly or LizardTech's packaging of it.

The ER Mapper folks had a JP2 solution at one time, but I never understood 
their licensing terms to be OSI compliant -- and since they got bought out by 
Leica I've sort of stopped tracking that issue.  If anyone has any current 
info, I'd like to hear it.

There are a couple truly open source libraries, but none have been written in 
such a way as to be able to support geo-sized imagery (500MB, say).  Doing the 
wavelet algorithms efficiently for large data sets requires rocket science.


 Do you know why there hasn't been a broader adoption of JP2?

Not through lack of trying on my part :-)

I think the two biggest reasons are:

(1) The algorithms for handling large images in memory really are rocket 
science, and no one in the FOSS community has gotten the itch sufficiently 
bad enough to go and do the work needed inside the existing open source 
packages.  Hopefully someday someone will.

(2) MrSID (and, perhaps, ECW) are widely used and supported.  Philosophical 
motivations aside, MrSID and ECW have historically gotten the job done and so 
the need for JP2 just isn't as high as it otherwise might be.

That said, NGA is a good counter-example.  They support JP2 in a number of 
areas already and have mandates to broaden that support. 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'll mention too the question of patents and JP2, since this thread is bound to 
get into THAT issue too before long :-)



Some of the algorithms within the JP2 standard (from ISO) are patented.  
However, the companies in question have agreed to not exercise their rights on 
those patents for any implementation of the standard.  That is, if you write a 
ISO-compliant JP2 encoder, Company X won't come after you.  This is a good 
thing, and is not uncommon practice for some standards groups.  It's better for 
us than the RAND (reasonable and non-discriminatory) clauses that get used by 
some groups.



However, there is an interesting philosophical consideration for the open 
source community here.



Let's say I write a nice, compliant MpgJp2 library on Monday and open source 
it.  Landon looks at my code and, smart cookie that he is, realizes that he 
could improve the overall compression ratio by tweaking one of the core 
algorithms.  He forks my code, makes the change, and posts the SunburnedJp2 
library to the web on Tuesday night.  Cool.  We like that.  Open source in 
action.



But wait -- Wednesday morning, he finds an email from Company X's lawyers in 
his inbox: he is now in violation of X's patent, because he is not using the 
patent within the bounds of a compliant JP2 encoder.  He broke the file 
format.  [You break it, you buy it?]  It's not a JPEG 2000 library anymore.



Some open source partisans may therefore consider the JP2 standard to not be 
truly open enough.



I'm sure there are other standards with this same problem, although I don't 
know of any offhand.



-mpg





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On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:57 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

MPG:

Thanks for the clarification.

When you said there is today no open source implementation of JP2 that is 
suitable for geo work do you mean that there is no open source library that 
can read and write JP2? If so, who is using the format?

Do you know why there hasn't been a broader adoption of JP2?

(I should also add the MPG helped me publish a short article in support for 
open file formats, so I know he is on our side.)  :]

Landon
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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:55 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

Some clarifications:

- MrSID has both lossy and lossless modes
- MrSID is not fractal based; it uses wavelets (and arithmetic encoding)
- you can't copyright algorithms; the MrSID source code certainly is, however
- MrSID relies on a number of patents, not all of which are owned by LizardTech
- reading MrSID does not require any fees; we have libraries you can download, 
although they are not open source

That said, some editorial comments (although I'm now wishing I hadn't been so 
quick to rise to Landon's bait :-)

- Some of you know the history of trying to open source MrSID; I won't go into 
that here, except to say that LizardTech doesn't own all of the required IP 
needed to make that happen.
- If we are speaking of the NAIP data, then no, it is not exclusively available 
in MrSID format; it is also shipped as GeoTIFFs.
- JPEG 2000 is a very robust open standard alternative to MrSID, and a number 
of players already support it (including LizardTech), but not enough to make it 
viable for certain domains like NAIP.
- some of you also know the history on open JP2 support: there is today no open 
source implementation of JP2 that is suitable for geo work.  Alas.

-mpg


From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Eric Wolf
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:15 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

The MRSID format is a very special case - and perhaps an opportunity for a new 
FOSS file format. MRSID is a lossless, fractal-based, multi-scale raster 
compression format. LizardTech has the algorithms to encode and decode MRSID 
locked up in copyrights, and I believe, patents. Even companies like ESRI shell 
out big bucks to LizardTech to be able to read and write the MRSID format.

I guess I missed the context of the discussion. Is the government releasing 
certain data exclusively in this format? If so, I think the argument can be 
made against this practice. The different in compression between MRSID and 
gziped TIFFs isn't really that great in this day of cheap disks and fat pipes.

-Eric

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Patent for feature of paper map.

2009-08-07 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
note
While I have no absolutely no familiarity with the patent in question, 
something I've said here before perhaps bears occasional repeating:

Patent and IP law is a very deep and complex subject.  The vast majority of us 
laypersons are not qualified to read and evaluate patent claims; what is 
reported in the popular press is often a very watered-down or simplistic 
interpretation of what is actually being claimed.  Some patent claims do indeed 
turn out to be riddled through with obvious prior art, but in order to really 
know that typically requires one to be experienced in the field of use *and* 
have thorough understanding of the legal language used in the claim 
constructions.

By all means we should all continue to bring down bogus patent attempts, but we 
in doing so we all need to be careful of making any hasty or unfounded 
allegations.
/note

-mpg (ianal)


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On Behalf Of Bill Thoen
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:14 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Patent for feature of paper map.

You might be surprised what people might be able to get away with, 
though. There's been repeated attempts to patent web mapping for 
example, and if it wasn't for the efforts of a few dedicated people, 
there would now be patents in both Britain and the USA on displaying 
maps over the web. But the threat is not dead yet, believe it or not, 
and it may culminate in a battle between Microsoft and Google sometime 
in the near future. Check out Daniel Morissette's blog entry for Feb 21, 
2009, Microsoft Patents the Map at http://www.systemed.net/blog/?p=68. 
If Microsoft really uses the Multimap patent to put the bite on Google, 
then you can bet your bippy that it'll affect your web mapping business 
too.

If reading that article brings your blood to a righteous boil, and you 
want to know more about who really invented web mapping, see Carl Reed's 
2004 article, Intellectual Property, Patents, and Web Mapping: 
Historical Perspective at 
http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=28360.

- Bill Thoen
GISnet - www.gisnet.com

Brian Russo wrote:
 I've seen legends similar to that before; afraid I can't offer 
 anything solid in terms of prior art examples but it's hardly as 
 revolutionary as they seem to think.
 Pretty absurd if you ask me;
 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:34 AM, René A. Enguehard 
 ahugen...@gmail.com mailto:ahugen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I suspect they might be applying for the patent but in for quite a
 surprise when it gets rejected. Features for maps would be very
 tricky to patent and, more importantly, not in the interest of the
 general public. As such the patent applications would probably get
 rejected. Would we really want people patenting things like
 projections, north arrows, scale bars or legends? I don't think it
 would be productive and suspect any patent office in its right
 mind would see it the same way.

 Patents were created to help people protect their ideas for a
 length of time so they could reap the rewards of their work and
 refine it without fear of being copied or undercut. This works
 very well for many things but fails miserably for conceptual
 things like maps or layouts for books or posters. This is why many
 patent offices now require people to patent systems rather than
 things. I don't see how a wrap-around map could be explained as
 a system.

 René
 IANAL

 Landon Blake wrote:


 The latest issue of the ACSM Bulletin had an interesting
 article about a map matrix that wraps around the edge of a
 paper map. It seems the company that is using this feature of
 hard copy map design is applying for a patent. I didn't even
 think you could get a patent a feature of a paper map. It got
 me wondering who holds the patent on the use of a north arrow
 and scale.

 At any rate, here is the article if you are interested in
 reading it:

 http://www.webmazine.org/issues/current/documents/wrap.pdf

 I couldn't find the patent application, or I would have posted
 a link to it. Let me know if you have any comments.

 Landon


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FYI - US Cong. Hearing on Geospatial Information

2009-07-16 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
(I'm not sure why, but I actually have a sad desire to get up early to watch 
this next week...)

-mpg



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On Behalf Of Julia Harrell
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:03 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] FYI - US Cong. Hearing on Geospatial Information


Might be of interest to some on the list  

This U.S. Congressional Oversight Hearing on the Management of Geospatial 
Information will be webcast live on Thursday, July 23rd at 10 AM EDT, as well 
as archived for later viewing.

http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_jcalproItemid=27extmode=viewextid=278

Many thanks to Dave Smith for finding the link. Now who would have ever thought 
that an oversight hearing on Geospatial Information Governance should be buried 
down in a Subcommittee on Energy and Mineral Resources ...

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Military OSS

2009-07-01 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Atlanta in August?  ...As long as they've got good air conditioning!

.mpg

On Jul 1, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Mark Lucas 
mluca...@mac.commailto:mluca...@mac.com wrote:


Hi All,

I am helping to setup a Military open source software conference in @ GTRI in 
Atlanta in August, no suits/ties, just a bunch of techies doing the right thing:

http://www.mil-oss.org/http://www.mil-oss.org/

if you can make it, great!
Even better if you speak!  I'd like to see if we can get some other OSGeo 
projects to participate.

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Working Group · 12th - 13th August 2009 · Atlanta, Georgia
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Current Topics:  FalconView,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] GoeConnextions column - CFP

2009-06-02 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Time for my periodic reminder about OSGeo's monthly column in GeoConnexions 
magazine.  We've published 22(!) articles to date, covering everything from the 
major OSGeo packages to business-related issues to thoughts on standards and 
file formats.

I'm always on the hunt for more material, so if you've got an idea for an 
article you'd like to write, just let me know.  [Hint: some of you bloggers 
might consider extending and polishing up some stuff you've already written -- 
think code reuse.]

Aside from the advantage of a platform to promote open source in our industry, 
the author receives a small honorarium associated with each column we print 
(much of which has in turn been donated back to OSGeo's coffers).

See http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoConnexion_Column for past articles and 
editorial info, and note especially the liberal reprint policy.

Thanks for your continued support.

-mpg

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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Open source TIN code?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Following up on my post, for anyone interested: the news isn't good.


Most of the responses I got were pointers to Isenburg's and Shewchuck's work, 
such as
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~quake/triangle.html
and
  http://www.cs.unc.edu/~isenburg/sd/

I did know about these, and they are indeed good stuffs, but folks should be 
aware that they are *not* open source libraries.  A lot of people think their 
work is free but to the best of my knowledge it is not.  (Triangle is 
copyrighted by the author and may not be sold or included in commercial 
products without a license; Isenburg's code has the copyright assigned to him 
with no accompanying BSD-like or GPL-like assurances.)


I also was given pointers to..

  * FIST (http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~held/projects/triang/triang.html), but the 
web page explicitly says FIST has not been released into the public domain 
(by which I assume they mean copyleft).

  * GRASS (http://grass.osgeo.org/grass64/manuals/html64_user/v.delaunay.html), 
which is under GPL

  * TerraLib 
(http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/html/v320/html/group___math_const.html), which 
is under LGPL

  * Sexante 
(http://bezdek2009dp.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/myAlgorithmSextante/src/es/unex/sextante/vectorTools/)
 which is also GPL


Finally, Ben Discoe has a site 
(http://vterrain.org/Implementation/Libs/triangulate.html) listing a bunch of 
links that I've not yet dug into.  I'm hoping to find something in there I can 
use.


If anyone has any other suggestions, or is aware of inaccuracies in my above 
statements, pls let me know.

Thanks.

-mpg


-Original Message-
From: Michael P. Gerlek 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:17 AM
To: 'OSGeo Discussions'
Subject: Open source TIN code?

The Community has need of BSD-licensed source code for TIN generation (in 
3-space).  It doesn't have to be really good, just good enough for some 
simple demo apps (for example, full-on Delauney support not needed).

I know there are a bunch of TIN algs out there on the net in various places, 
but I don't have much experience with any of them.  If anyone has any pointers, 
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks --

-mpg

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Open source TIN code?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Yeah, I have anecdotal evidence Isenburg gave the OK (Hobu noted it on the 
liblas list), but he didn't specify exactly for *what* he was okay with from 
the tools collection which makes me nervous.  If he were to say all of it, 
then we're all set (I just care about the TINner inside lasview).

Sometimes it's a pain when you try to play by the rules :-(

-mpg


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On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:55 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Open source TIN code?

Traian Stanev wrote:
 It's probably worth sending an email to Isenburg to ask for the
 actual licensing restrictions of his stuff. It was developed under an
 NSF grant, so he may not have much choice but to allow it to be used
 in a BSD-like way.

We have already walked [1] that way in libLAS and it wasn't easy,
a little roller coaster.

[1]
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/liblas-devel/2008-October/000355.html

Best regards,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

2009-02-02 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Cameron (and anyone else curious):

 We mail out 14,000 copies of the magazine across the globe, including
 distribution in delegate bags at every Geospatial technology related event
 that is happy to do a media swap with us (which is most events).  This
 ensures your DVD will be seen by an up to date audience, who are currently
 ACTIVE in the marketplace.

 The prices shown include all handling, hand-glue into the 14,000 magazines,
 and mailing costs.

 Option 1
 Glue the DVD onto the FRONT COVER of the magazine, then have a full page
 inside the magazine for further information about the DVD's content, and
 your own promotion.
 Cost:  6976 USDollars

 Option 2
 Glue the DVD onto page 5 of the magazine - this same page will also be for
 your own marketing message.
 Cost: 6496 USDollars

Probably not in the budget for this year...

-mpg



-Original Message-
From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:08 AM
To: Michael P. Gerlek
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

Michael,
Writing about the LiveDVD would be good, it might encourage 1/100 
readers to download the DVD and try it.

Actually including the LiveDVD in the magazine would be a huge bonus for 
OSGeo. Every second reader would try the DVD out, and I'd expect high 
uptake from readers of Open Source from this experience.

Yes, you are right, someone would need to fund the DVD print run, and 
much as I'd like to say otherwise, I think the OSGeo marketing budget 
would only be able to contribute a token percentage of the costs.

Are you able to run the idea past the magazine?

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 Cameron-

 Did you mean putting a CD into the magazine itself, or just writing about the 
 idea?

 The latter would be great, we could do that.

 I don't have control over the former issue, though -- that would likely 
 require some monetary cost from OSGeo or the magazine to burn and insert the 
 CDs, no?

 -mpg


 -Original Message-
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:34 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

 Michael,
 Computer magazines often include a free CD like the latest Ubuntu 
 distribution, along with a two page spread about the software on the CD.

 We have a Geospatial LiveDVD which could fit that bill, and which the 
 community could tweak to include Linux as well as Windows software.

 Is this of interest to you?


 Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
   
 As some of you know, OSGeo runs a monthly column in GeoConnexions magazine 
 about open source issues.  We've done 18 articles to date, which have 
 resulted in some good PR (and a bit of cash) for our foundation.

 If you are interested in submitting a future column, or even just ideas for 
 a column, please let me know!

 Some details and links to previous columns can be found at: 
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoConnexion_Column.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Top ten myths for open source in geo?

2009-01-24 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Thanks to all who replied!  I've posted all the replies (with private replies 
anonymized) to the wiki -- feel free to edit as you think of more.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Myths

-mpg


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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:30 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: Top ten myths for open source in geo?

I've already gotten a bunch of great replies, off-list and on-list, but I think 
I may not have been clear in my mail: I'm specifically looking for myths that 
might be directly related to the geo side of the open source world.

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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Michael P. Gerlek
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:54 AM
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Top ten myths for open source in geo?

Gentlepersons:

I'm doing an article addressing the top ~10 myths/misperceptions about open 
source for geo.  There are a number of such pieces already out there about open 
source in general, from which I'll borrow heavily, but I'd like to have half 
the list be myths specific to the geo and GIS world we're playing in.

Do you have any nominations?  Which issues are not well understood?  What 
questions do you most frequently get asked?


Thanks in advance -

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

2009-01-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
In order to estimate a cost, the magazine people need to know (exactly) how 
much each insert (DVD + sleeve?) weighs.  Anyone with a good scale?

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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:30 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

Paulo,
A LiveDVD already exists! It was handed out at the FOSS4G 2008 booth, 
and we have handed it out at a few Australian conferences.

Also, every delegate at FOSS4G 2009 will be given a LiveDVD.

Details about the DVD are at: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Arramagong_LiveDVD


Paulo 'Pmarc' Marcondes wrote:
 2009/1/22 Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com:
   
 Michael,
 Writing about the LiveDVD would be good, it might encourage 1/100 readers to
 download the DVD and try it.

 Actually including the LiveDVD in the magazine would be a huge bonus for
 OSGeo. Every second reader would try the DVD out, and I'd expect high uptake
 from readers of Open Source from this experience.
 

 Cameron,

 having a propper printed DVDs (or CDs for that matter) would be a huge bonus,
 and quite a marketing effort. Think 'conference handouts'.
   


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

2009-01-22 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'll ask.

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From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:08 AM
To: Michael P. Gerlek
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

Michael,
Writing about the LiveDVD would be good, it might encourage 1/100 
readers to download the DVD and try it.

Actually including the LiveDVD in the magazine would be a huge bonus for 
OSGeo. Every second reader would try the DVD out, and I'd expect high 
uptake from readers of Open Source from this experience.

Yes, you are right, someone would need to fund the DVD print run, and 
much as I'd like to say otherwise, I think the OSGeo marketing budget 
would only be able to contribute a token percentage of the costs.

Are you able to run the idea past the magazine?

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 Cameron-

 Did you mean putting a CD into the magazine itself, or just writing about the 
 idea?

 The latter would be great, we could do that.

 I don't have control over the former issue, though -- that would likely 
 require some monetary cost from OSGeo or the magazine to burn and insert the 
 CDs, no?

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 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:34 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

 Michael,
 Computer magazines often include a free CD like the latest Ubuntu 
 distribution, along with a two page spread about the software on the CD.

 We have a Geospatial LiveDVD which could fit that bill, and which the 
 community could tweak to include Linux as well as Windows software.

 Is this of interest to you?


 Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
   
 As some of you know, OSGeo runs a monthly column in GeoConnexions magazine 
 about open source issues.  We've done 18 articles to date, which have 
 resulted in some good PR (and a bit of cash) for our foundation.

 If you are interested in submitting a future column, or even just ideas for 
 a column, please let me know!

 Some details and links to previous columns can be found at: 
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoConnexion_Column.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

2009-01-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Cameron-

Did you mean putting a CD into the magazine itself, or just writing about the 
idea?

The latter would be great, we could do that.

I don't have control over the former issue, though -- that would likely require 
some monetary cost from OSGeo or the magazine to burn and insert the CDs, no?

-mpg


-Original Message-
From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:34 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoConnexions column -- see your name in print!

Michael,
Computer magazines often include a free CD like the latest Ubuntu 
distribution, along with a two page spread about the software on the CD.

We have a Geospatial LiveDVD which could fit that bill, and which the 
community could tweak to include Linux as well as Windows software.

Is this of interest to you?


Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 As some of you know, OSGeo runs a monthly column in GeoConnexions magazine 
 about open source issues.  We've done 18 articles to date, which have 
 resulted in some good PR (and a bit of cash) for our foundation.

 If you are interested in submitting a future column, or even just ideas for a 
 column, please let me know!

 Some details and links to previous columns can be found at: 
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoConnexion_Column.

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Mini-conf in Seattle? (was: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts)

2008-10-09 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
(In Seattle, we go out for a latte.)

This is a quick troll to see who'd be interested in coming to (and/or
helping organize) a mini-conference in Seattle in spring of '09.  Send
me email, and I'll follow up later with a summary.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

Jody Garnett wrote:
 In Canada we go to the pub.
 Jody
Although that said; a regional conference would be fun ... we are still 
struggling to have any kind of meetings for the bc chapter.
I am amazed at all these other groups that have had yearly conferences 
since rocks were beginning to cool.

One down side with the whole conversation track here is the idea of 
splitting into multiple venues is that the open source projects cannot 
always field community members to attend everything.

The original post talked about minimizing expense; breaking into several

venues actually updates the expense from where I am sitting.

Jody
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Beta-test the GEospatial Applications Registry(GEAR)

2008-10-01 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
It doesn't say who is actually running this site -- is it a govt
entity, corporate, non-profit...?

Also, the terms of use and privacy policy links aren't clicky.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:40 AM
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Beta-test the GEospatial Applications
Registry(GEAR)

FYI. Maybe they will appreciate some humble Open Source contributions.

==
In support of the Geospatial Line of Business, an FGDC-coordinated
activity to streamline geospatial activities across the US federal
government, a GEospatial Applications Registry (GEAR) is being
prototyped as a directory of software applications that are pertinent to
government business processes. The objective is to provide a listing
(Wiki) of software products and encourage comments (blog-style) with
evidence of implementation. Nominations of software in GEAR does not
constitute endorsement by the government, but provides an interesting
and useful way to learn about available software of all types. Software
envisioned for the GEAR include open source and commercial applications,
as well as commercial offerings. Extensions or add-ons to existing
software can be documented and clarified through a dependencies section.

Initially we expect a small number of government-originated applications
to be registered, but we are inviting the broader GIS implementer
community to help us test and build-out the content in GEAR within the
next 2-3 weeks. A typical entry should take less than 30 minutes, less
if you are fluent with the product being described.

Keep in mind that this is only Beta software in a testing phase, but we
welcome your honest and complete entries. These will get propagated into
the final GEAR deployment when it goes public in October. All entries
will be reviewed by a government team and, once approved, made visible
for search and browse. Your assistance is greatly appreciated!

The URL: http://gear.morphexchange.com
==

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GeoInt meetup?

2008-09-23 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
If any of you kindly OSGeo folks are going to GeoInt next month in
Nashville and would be interested like to do a meetup-ish thing, drop me
a line and maybe we can arrange something.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo Slide Show/Presentation Material

2008-08-28 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
(note from the sidelines: I was the one who started the Library, going back a 
couple years ago, but haven't maintained it in a long time.  It definitely 
needs some love, and would welcome a volunteer to take it over.)

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacolin Yves
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:36 AM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for OSGeo Slide 
 Show/Presentation Material
 
 Le Thursday 28 August 2008 15:19:30 Markus Neteler, vous avez écrit :
  On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ...
 
   So I think it should list ALL the items, or at least offer a
   convenient way to filter the contents without having to 
 change all the
   web language
  
   [1] http://www.osgeo.org/node/764
 
  Wouldn't it be more appropriate to collect the material in the
  Wiki? There is a page already:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Library
  and easy to maintain.
 
  Above node page is now sort of stand-alone without context.
 
  Just me few cents,
  Markus
 
 Hi Markus and all,
 
 It seems there are some issue about Library. First I never 
 aware of this wiki 
 page (I missed it), and one tell me to upload all my files 
 into the OSGeo 
 Library, I am not really happy to move more than 20-30 files 
 to the wiki 
 pages which is not the purpose of such tools (imho).
 
 The beggining of the wiki page tell me: Some presentations are found 
 **outside the osgeo.org domain**:  That's mean for me that I 
 will found only 
 files outside of the OSGeo domain. Which is only true for the 
 first item.
 
 The third line point to the www.osgeo.ogr/library, so this is 
 not really 
 a stand-alone without context ;) Also I asked to add the 
 Library item, 
 unfortunately I did not create a ticket for this :/
 
 Finaly, when people looking for information about osgeo, they 
 do not have to 
 be redirected to the wiki page which are working and 
 unofficial information 
 (imho). Also wiki are aims to hosts comunautary works. I may 
 be wrong but it 
 is my way to think about the different OSGeo website.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Y.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Chickens, Boards and Export Restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Aside
I interrupt here to point out that of late the Board has been faced with
some significant questions about the aim and scope of our organization.
This is a good thing: it is what the Board is there for.

We the Charter Members are tasked with electing new board members
shortly, and thus have a chance to directly influsence those
discussions.  I look forward to seeing those nominated put forward their
positions on these issues so we can all vote knowledgably.
/Aside

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:28 AM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Chickens, Boards and Export Restrictions
 
 On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Arnulf Christl
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One critique is that the board of directors does not make 
 decisions easily
  and quickly which could be seen as a weakness (chickens) [1].
 
 A consensus decision making process necessarily limits the scope of an
 organization to the minimal vision, the place where everyone's beliefs
 intersect, which can be quite small indeed.
 
 Tyler has been doing well at rolling in some sponsors over the last
 months, I hope that as ED he feels he can bring some proposals forward
 in the coming months to spend that money and some of the FOSS4G money
 in effective ways.
 
 That you see our inability to do things as a good thing only speaks to
 your minimalist vision, what you want to do, and what OSGeo can do,
 line up pretty OK, I guess.  I see OSGeo pissing away chances to
 galvanize open source in the marketplace, to spur the kind of
 credibility that will float all our boats.  You say potato, I say
 potato.
 
 P.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Voting for new OSGeo Charter Members openuntil 6th June 2008

2008-06-01 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
+1 from here too.  All 18 may be indeed be worthy, but moving the goal
post once the ball is in play sets a dangerous precedent.

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Venkatesh Raghavan
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:14 AM
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 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Voting for new OSGeo Charter 
 Members openuntil 6th June 2008
 
 Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
 
  Dave Patton wrote:
 
 
  Changing the policy may be appropriate, but not
  during the process.
  
  +1 to Dave.
  
  I don't think it's a good idea to change policy now.
 
 +1 to the above.
 
 Venka
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] No news on the election?

2008-05-29 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
A quick look at the List shows that we've got an impressive a cadre
already.  But, to misquote, I'll admit that I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like: I am sure there are many good candidates
out there still lurking, but perhaps too shy to speak up on his or her
own behalf.

If so, take heart! -- feel free to ask to be nominated, either privately
to one of the charter members (http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members) or
publically to this list.

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 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] No news on the election?
 
 Hi,
 
 A few days ago [1] Jo announced here the Election 2008 has started.
 Today, nomination closes and during next 5 days charter members will  
 vote.
 So, we are in the middle of quite important event for the foundation
 but it hasn't been announced on the osgeo.org news.
 
 Shouldn't we make some noise about the voting soon?
 
 [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2008-May/003658.html
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