Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

[Paragon Corporation]

A lot of what instigated this conversation is what PostGIS should do? stick 
with SVN/Trac, get rid of SVN and just move everything to GitHub, or have an 
OSGeo GIT and a GitHub mirror and still keep trac.

I don't think it makes sense for us to completely ditch github, but then I also 
think there is a downside to having github as our official repo.

 

Right now PostGIS is mirroring our svn repo to GitHub and we get enough pull 
requests from users, sometimes even big patches.  So I think having a mirror on 
GitHub takes care of that. It's a bit extra effort to accept the pulls, but 
that may be a good thing as it forces us to scrutinize more.  So we get the 
benefit of travis testing etc already.

 

However I also care about package maintainers since to me they are the life and 
blood of PostGIS.  They insure that new users have an easy time installing 
postgresql / postgis.

Many of them would prefer OSGEO hosting (and preferably git over svn)  because 
why force someone to get a github account just to put in a bug report or submit 
a patch.  If they should be forced to create an account with a  faceless 
organization, it should be OSGeo :), not github.

 

Relevant notes from Package maintainers:

https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/postgis-devel/2015-October/025361.html

 

https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/postgis-devel/2015-October/025359.html

 

 

We also have a lot of users who just report bugs.  I'm not so sure they have 
github accounts or care to. Bug reports are more important to me than new 
contributions as every new contribution requires some level of stress testing.

 

Thanks,

Regina Obe

PostGIS PSC member

Windows PostGIS Stackbuilder Maintainer

 

 

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Andreas 
Hocevar
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 3:08 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

 

Very well said Andrea, and I can back this up with very similar experiences 
from when the OpenLayers project moved to Github.

 

That said, if OSGeo considers setting up a Git infrastructure, please keep an 
alternative in mind: pay for an OSGeo Github account for projects that want to 
use Git. Will burn some money, but won't burn out volunteers who have to keep 
OSGeo's own infrastructure up and running. See https://github.com/locationtech 
as an example.

 

Andreas.

 

On 18 Oct 2015, at 08:41, Andrea Aime  > wrote:

 

Hi,

just wanted to chime in saying that if OSGeo starts setting said guidelines,

it should also have some benefits comparison so that projects can

see what they might not get by avoiding Github.

 

In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather

evident we got more people contributing right the moment we did the

switch, here is the contributors per month diagram, the red line

is the date we switched from svn to GitHub:

 



 

 

Most of this is due to two factors:

- availability of pull requests (which I believe you can get with other tools 
too)

- critical mass on the platform (which arguably you will not get an a OsGeo 
hosting)

 

There is however a downside of that, most of these contributions are "one time 
gigs",

people help addressing the particular pitfall concerning them and then they 
move on:

github did not change the number of core developers, it just increased a lot the

number of other contributors.

 

There is another benefit of moving to Github, which is build checks on pull 
requests,

we now have Travis (Linux, OSX) building all pull requests and running the test 
suite against

them, so we instantly know if the change breaks tests or not, and we planning 
on adding

test coverage checks (Coveralls, already used by OpenLayers for example) and 
Windows builds 

(already used by MapServer for example).

 

This kind of automation is also rather beneficial to filter our bad 
contributions... which is

the dark side of lower contribution barrier, core devs have to spend quite some 
time evaluating

pull requests... but ending up with a long queue of them gives a bad impression 
about the project

openness. So yeah, another bit to consider I guess, is the project ready to 
take on them?

 

So I'm not saying "everybody move to github" but I believe the above should 
be

part of the many considerations made when evaluating a move to a different 
version control.

 

Cheers

Andrea

 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Paragon Corporation]

We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It speaks 
to me on so many levels.

 

In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone has 
gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of anybody's time.

 

As Jeff noted, there are other ways to elevate the OSGEO name without making 
the conference name OSGEO and really the message we want to give involves both

 

OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.

 

 

Thanks,

Regina

 

From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
To: Paul Ramsey 
Cc: osgeo-discuss 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

 

On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
>  > wrote:
> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > here goes...
> >
> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Get off my lawn.
>
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html

The decade passed makes it to late, init? 
Mateusz Łoskot
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] ?Re: Fwd: Nomination for Ko Nagase

[Paragon Corporation]

+1 for Ko Nagase.  He's been a  great help with pgRouting work.

 

 

Thanks,

Regina

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On Behalf Of Anita Graser
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:31 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] ?Re: Fwd: Nomination for Ko Nagase

 

​​

  Forwarded Message  Subject: Nomination for Ko
   Nagase Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:20:53 +0900 From: Venkatesh
   Raghavan ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp 
 mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp 
   It is my pleasure and privilege to nominate Ko Nagase as Charter
   Member for the 2015 elections.

 

​+1 for Ko

 

Best wishes,

Anita​

 

 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Gender bias in nominations

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I agree with Jo and Maria.  I've always felt welcome in OSGeo primarily
because I share many interests and philosophies with many of you.  I think
gender quotas will in long run do more damage than good. I'd hate to think
people think I am where I am because of my gender or that people let me get
away with stuff just because of my gender.
 
People should be judged on merit and interest primarily and we should focus
more on global expansion, education, and activity funding and the rest will
fall into place.
 
Thanks,
Regina Obe


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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jo Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:59 AM
To: María Arias de Reyna
Cc: osgeo
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Gender bias in nominations


I totally agree with Maria. As a female member of OSGeo I don't really feel
that my gender matters in the slightest. I'm far more concerned about a bias
towards people from the US or Northern/Western Europe if we are trying to be
truly global. 

Jo


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:55 PM, María Arias de Reyna
delawen+os...@gmail.com wrote:





On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Jeff McKenna
jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:


It has been reported to me directly that there are not enough female
nominations for Charter members.  I just want to bring this to the
attention of the whole community.

Thanks all,

-jeff




Agreed. 

On the other hand, no one should be nominated just because of their gender.
In the long run, it doesn't help increasing female numbers. (It won't be the
first time someone thinks I am where I am just because I am female and not
because I worked hard.)

I'm sorry if I am bothering someone, but I am very picky with all this
stuff. It is the eternal discussion about not having enough female in tech
organizations. If we want to have more female on OsGeo, we should go to
school now to have them in OsGeo in a few years :)

Until then, does it really matter? Are we doing things different? I know it
looks very cool to have half and half but, is it really important?

Regards,
María.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is Your Project In OSGeo Labs? -- Geocoders

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Steve,

Add to your list this one:

http://www.gisgraphy.com/

I think it's a mix of lots of things but uses OSM and Geonames for data
source as far as I can tell and backend PostGIS and I think Java Servlets
for application layer as far as I can tell. LGPL v3 licensed it seems.

I came across this one when I saw this post:
http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/23113/comparison-of-geocoding-solutio
ns-such-as-gisgraphy-postgis-2-0


Hope that helps,
Regina

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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Woodbridge
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:11 PM
To: Milo van der Linden
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is Your Project In OSGeo Labs?

HI Milo,

There are various initiatives related to Geocoding and it would be good 
if could share insights and resources. Some of the projects are:

http://www.pagcgeo.org/
http://www.postgis.org/  - has Tiger based geocoder
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenGeocoder  - list some of these and others
http://geocoder.us/
http://www.opengeocoder.net/ - some Microsoft employee
openstreetmap nominatim

The big differences between the various projects are based primarily on 
three dimensions:

1. Sources data ie: Tiger only, OpenStreetMap data, any data
2. Language and Geocoding Strategy
3. Licensing

Combining/collabation of efforts really depends a lot of the 
compatibility of these dimensions.

Package   DataSource(s) LanguageLicensing
---
pagcMultiple   C  MIT-X
 Street segments
 parcels
 landmarks

postgis Tiger pgpsql  GPL2

geocoder.us Tiger  Perl   Perl

nominatim   OSM data??ODbl?
-

Pagc, postgis geocoder and geocoder.us all started out as Tiger data 
based geocoder and have expanded into other realms that use similar 
structured data. These projects have more in common with one another 
than any of them have with nominatim, unless I am terribly mistaken. 
That is not to say we should not collaborate only the data structures 
and strategies for querying them are very different.

For example, I just wrote a custom geocoder taking a small amount of 
code from pagc and wrapping it into a pgpsql stored procedure and then 
wrote a query planner in pgsql to do geocoding. I was able to load 50M 
records derived from Tiger, and index them in 6 hrs on a slow 4GB linux 
box and can geocode a table 216K addresses in about 44 ms per record. 
This is conceptually similar to the processes imployed by the postgis 
geocoder and by geocoder.us and for that matter a 2-3 other geocoders 
that I have worked with in the past that were not open source, one of 
them being a geocoder I wrote that only worked with the old Tiger/Line data.

I have looked at nominatim, a couple of times to try an understand the 
process, but it seems to be very tied to the OSM data structures and 
infrastructure. So if someone wants to setup a private nominatim service 
for a client, they basic need LOTS of iron, LOTS of disk, and need to 
mirror much/most?/all? of the OSM infrastructure. And the licensing 
needs to be approved by the client.

If I want to create a geocoder that works with Navteq data for a client 
that has access to that data, it is pretty easy for me to load the data 
into PAGC, or the geocoder I just wrote, or even the postgis or 
geocoder.us code with a little massaging of the data. I'm not sure where 
I would start with the nominatim code.

OK, I admit that the failure here is my knowledge about Nominatim and/or 
maybe that Nominatim/OpenStreetMap are not interested in solving the use 
cases that I presented.

Sorry, I have gotten off on a rant. Back to your point about joining 
forces, I'm ok with, but I'm not sure where to start. I think I outlined 
the problem as I see it, but some additional information related to 
Nominatim could help me get beyond my biases if I can see how we can 
successfully collaborate.

Best regards,
   -Steve

On 12/8/2012 5:19 AM, Milo van der Linden wrote:
 Would it be good if opengeocoder joins forces with openstreetmap
nominatim?

 Op 29 nov. 2012 03:05 schreef Stephen Woodbridge
 wood...@swoodbridge.com mailto:wood...@swoodbridge.com het volgende:

 On 11/28/2012 7:31 PM, Landon Blake wrote:

 I'm in the process of trying to take over as the steward for OSGeo
 Labs as part of my duties with the OSGeo Incubation Committee.
 As part
 of this process I'd like to get a handle on the projects that
 are in
 labs. There is a short list of stable and young and
experimental
 projects on the current Labs wiki page. Since I'm 

[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Board Nomination -- Regina Obe Decline

[Paragon Corporation]

 

David,

Thank you very much for this nomination.  It is a great honor to be so well
respected by you. It is also with much regret that I decline your offer.

 

I really had intended on accepting this, but after thinking about the extra
responsibility this position would require,

I realized I would be spreading myself too thin,feeling a bit out of my
element, and regret later not being able to serve OSGeo as well as I wanted
to.  I would also be possibly depriving others with more energy and will
from making their impact.

 

We have a bright and very energetic group of nominees, and I'm looking
forward to seeing many of them, including David 

serve on our board.

 

Yours in spirit,

Regina

 

 

 

 

 



 I nominate Regina Obe for the OSGeo Board of Directors. Regina is a member
 of the PostGIS steering Committee and has been an OSGeo Charter Member
since
 2009. Regina has a particular strength that is very rare in the Open
Source
 world and that is her dedication to making open source software and
 programming accessible to the often non-technical savvy GIS user. Regina
 (along with her husband Leo) have maintained the BostonGIS blog and the
 Postgres Online Journal for many years providing quick and understandable
 tutorials, guides, and cheat sheets for various projects with a particular
 focus on PostgreSQL/PostGIS, much of this has culminated in the recent
 publication of *Postgis in Action.* While Regina has a very strong
technical
 background, I believe that Regina could help drive a focus on the
usability
 and accessibility of OSGeo projects.
 
 Cheers,
 
 David
 -- 
 
 David William Bitner

 

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