Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Broken GPG signatures (was: Change in mailing list configuration)

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 12:06:13PM +0100, Jorge Sanz via Discuss wrote:
> On 2024-02-01 7:00, Sandro Santilli via Discuss wrote:
>
> > The GPG issue is related to how the MUA searches for a public key
> > associated with the From address, which is always an @osgeo.org address
> > for messages coming to this mailing list.
> 
> I should have not signed an email sent to a mailing list knowing that it
> would mess things since the list modifies headers and content. It just makes
> no sense.

I actually think it makes sense as it's the only real proof that you
wrote the body of your email, becuase in no way DKIM or SPF can
guarantee the integrity of what you wrote in your MUA.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Broken GPG signatures (was: Change in mailing list configuration)

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

Check the headers if you want to compare. Which headers are DKIM signed ? By 
whom ? What address is in the From header ?

The GPG issue is related to how the MUA searches for a public key associated 
with the From address, which is always an @osgeo.org address for messages 
coming to this mailing list.



On January 31, 2024 11:09:53 PM GMT+01:00, Javier Jimenez Shaw via Discuss 
 wrote:
>Thanks Sandro for caring about this.
>
>I understand that some people get annoyed if the prefix is removed (not me
>personally). That made me compare with google groups:
>I am in a google groups mailing list, and the emails "pass" for SPF and
>DKIM. This group has a "prefix" added by the mailing list automatically.
>What are they doing differently that we cannot?
>
>About the GPG signature, I do not know. Nobody in my google group uses it.
>Maybe Jorge Sanz has some experience.
>
>Cheers,
>Javier
>
>On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:33, Sandro Santilli via Discuss <
>discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd mention that the GPG signatures in emails sent to this
>> list are currently unverifiable due to the email address of the sender
>> NOT being in the From field. Example:
>>
>>   From: Jorge Sanz via Discuss 
>>   To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>   Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>   Message-ID: <4edbc588-9e29-4c51-9b25-520c0112a...@osgeo.org>
>>
>>   [-- Begin signature information --]
>>   Problem signature from: KeyID 91EB9EC08EC1CAD46631BC5893A8CE9CA5942A46
>>  created: Tue 30 Jan 2024 11:08:19 AM CET
>>   Can't verify due to a missing key or certificate
>>   [-- End signature information --]
>>
>> I'm adding mailing list owners as I think they should have the last
>> word on what the configuration of the list should be.
>>
>> I for one still think we should re-apply the change that I applied
>> on Jan 11th [1] after nobody had anything to say about my proposal
>> of Jan 4th [2]
>>
>>
>> [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2024-January/040058.html
>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2024-January/040048.html
>>
>> --strk;
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Broken GPG signatures (was: Change in mailing list configuration)

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

I thought I'd mention that the GPG signatures in emails sent to this
list are currently unverifiable due to the email address of the sender
NOT being in the From field. Example:

  From: Jorge Sanz via Discuss 
  To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
  Message-ID: <4edbc588-9e29-4c51-9b25-520c0112a...@osgeo.org>

  [-- Begin signature information --]
  Problem signature from: KeyID 91EB9EC08EC1CAD46631BC5893A8CE9CA5942A46
 created: Tue 30 Jan 2024 11:08:19 AM CET
  Can't verify due to a missing key or certificate
  [-- End signature information --]

I'm adding mailing list owners as I think they should have the last
word on what the configuration of the list should be.

I for one still think we should re-apply the change that I applied
on Jan 11th [1] after nobody had anything to say about my proposal
of Jan 4th [2]


[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2024-January/040058.html
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2024-January/040048.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fw: Re: Change in mailing list configuration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 09:47:43AM -0800, David Bianco via Discuss wrote:
> Having [OSGeo-Discuss] in the subject field also helps with *visual* 
> filtering.
> For those of us who have 1 folder for all the listserv they are on (geo and 
> non-geo).
> Or, for emails that get fwd to non-listserv colleagues.

I believe MUA filters can also be used to ADD a prefix of your choice ?
At least I do know my MUA (Mutt) allows me to _strip_ the prefix (as
I'm already organizing emails in folders so I don't want it).

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Email filtering (was: Change in mailing list configuration)

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:10:13AM +0100, Christian Willmes wrote:

> you are messing with my filter configuration and I dislike this (very much).

Would you consider sharing detail of your filter software so that
someone might help you with converting it to use email headers ?

Email coming from this list have the following headers that may be
used by filters:

  X-BeenThere: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
  List-Id: OSGeo Discussions 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing list config change reverted (was: Change in mailing list configuration)

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 10:06:11AM -0500, Daniel Morissette wrote:
> On 2024-01-12 08:05, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> > Hi Sandro and others,
> > My suggestion would be to re-instate the old configuration and first
> > propose and discuss a possible update. Such discussion and eventual
> > update should be announced first before it is applied. The Discuss
> > mailing list, as other lists, has always worked well for me too. The
> > header [OSGeo-Discuss] is used by many of us to filter email and keep
> > things manageable. That can't just be modified on an important list as
> > Discuss without broader consent IMHO.
>
> I second Jeroen's thoughts and suggestion.

Ok, if everything worked as I expected, the change is now reverted.
Please please please help us shape recomendations for mailing list
configuration. Some discussion has been conducted on SAC mailing list,
some on other channels, and outcomes have been logged in Trac here:

  Trac ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3011

Worth starting another thread to discuss other options ?

Does this list need new owners or are Frank and Arnulf still active ?

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Re: Fw: Re: Change in mailing list configuration

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 02:37:26PM +, Luís Moreira de Sousa wrote:
> Please read below, in addition to my questions, I note that with the new 
> setup my e-mail application no longer replies automatically to the list.

I went looking at the mails before the change also had Reply-To: real
author, so should have been the same. Please give it a try.

Meanwhile I'm going to revert the change.

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Why adding a prefix breaks DKIM signature (was: Change in mailing list configuration)

[Sandro Santilli]

[ Adding discuss list back as I think this is of general interest )

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 02:34:52PM +, Luís Moreira de Sousa wrote:
> Dear Sandro,
> 
> I am not qualified to opine on the DKIM configuration, but I would question 
> the removal of the prefix. All other pipermail list I am subscribed to add a 
> prefix to the subject. Could you explain why it had to be removed? Will this 
> decision affect the other OSGeo lists?


DKIM is a standard by which the mail server applies a cryptographic signature
to some elements of an email, to ensure it is not tampered with. 

Your mail (the one I'm reply to) contained the following signature:

  DKIM-Signature:
[..]
d=protonmail.ch;
h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:

That means that your mail server (protonmail.ch) applied a digital
ignature on the following email headers:

  - Date
  - To
  - From
  - Subject
  - Message-Id
  - In-Reply-To
  - References

The mail servers involved in getting the mail to me checked your
server signature and added an header with the outcome of the
verification:

  Authentication-Results:
hst.kbt.io; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure)

  Authentication-Results:
spool.mail.gandi.net;
dkim=pass

So both "spoo.mail.gandi.net" and "hst.kbt.io" where happy with your
signature. If Mailman injected a prefix in the "Subject" header
(which is among the ones signed by protonmail.ch) the servers of
recipients would detect the mail was modified and thus will consider
it suspicious.

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Re: Change in mailing list configuration

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 09:35:30AM +0100, Christian Willmes wrote:
> As far as I understood it, the mailing list will continue to work as is in
> the future? And discourse is only a mirror or an additional interface for
> those who prefer to communicate via this app?

This change has nothing to do with Discourse but with the ability of
people to see the email address of the people who post and to verify that
they are reall who they claim to be. 

The discussion happened in this ticket:

  https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3011

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Re: Change in mailing list configuration

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:32:06PM +0100, Javier Jimenez Shaw wrote:
> Hi Sandro
> 
> It is surprising, but this is the first email from "discuss" that Gmail is
> suggesting it could be spam. It says
> 
> "Be careful with this message
> The sender hasn't authenticated this message, so Gmail can't verify that it
> actually came from them."

I think this is because with the new configuration you're receiving the email
with MY email address rather than the OSGeo service email address as the sender,
so your mail server is evaluating MY reputation rather than the OSGeo one.

I clearly have to work on my email address reputation more (I do have
SPF setup but not DKIM).

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Change in mailing list configuration

[Sandro Santilli]

We've changed the configuration of this mailing list to respect the
recomendations from the SysAdmin team:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Mailing_Lists#Configuring_the_mailing_list

Notable changes are:

  1. No more [OSGeo-Discuss] prefix in email subjects
  2. No more added footer
  3. Real sender address in the From field
  4. DKIM signed emails will not be considered maliciously tampered \o/

For filtering the emails or finding mailing list address to change
user preferences you will be able to use the email headers.

Many mail user agents should be able to figure this out by themselves,
others might need manual configuration.

Just as an example, my mail configuration for the PostGIS Developers
looks like this (procmail recipe):

  :0
  * ^List-ID:.*postgis-devel.lists.osgeo.org
  * !^X-List-Administrivia: yes
  .postgis-devel/

Happy mailing !

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing list configuration change proposal

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

As part of a mailing list modernization effort the SysAdmin group has
been recently evaluating improvements aimed at reducing email loss due
to anti-spam measures and has come up with recommendation that are
summarized here:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Mailing_Lists#Configuring_the_mailing_list

In particular the last item was added to avoid tampering content and
thus breaking cryptographic signatures made by authors on their
emails, which is discussed in depth here:

https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3011

Some mailing lists have already implemented these changes (postgis-devel and sac
for sure, I'm not sure which others). This thread is to ask if anyone
has objections about changing the configuration of this list too.

Notable changes will be:

  1. No more [OSGeo-Discuss] prefix in email subjects
  2. No more added footer
  3. Real sender address in the From field
  4. DKIM signed emails will not be considered maliciously tampered \o/

For filtering the emails or finding mailing list address to change
user preferences you will be able to use the email headers.

Many mail user agents should be able to figure this out by themselves,
others might need manual configuration.

Just as an example, my mail configuration for the PostGIS Developers
looks like this (procmail recipe):

  :0
  * ^List-ID:.*postgis-devel.lists.osgeo.org
  * !^X-List-Administrivia: yes
  .postgis-devel/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 05:08:08PM +0100, Sandro Santilli via Discuss wrote:

> see if they are able to create a new thread by email, for example.

Answering myself I was able to create new threads by email, just
writing to @discourse.osgeo.org

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:14:24AM -0500, Anna Petrášová wrote:
> Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I wonder if this "mailing list"
> behavior could be set as a default for the migrated users.

I also wonder if the "mailing list behaviour" is good enough, but this
we can tell by testing it, so I suggest all users interested in such a
migration to test the current "categories" (equivalent of "mailing
list" in Discourse terms) and see if they are able to create a new
thread by email, for example.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 04:16:03PM +, Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss 
wrote:

> it is a factual observation that there has been a sensible decline in the 
> engagement of people in OSGeo...
> Not in the conferences presences but in the remote collaboration and 
> development...

This is a very interesting topic and I've been recently advocating
opening up access to some infrastructure related git repositories
with the specific aim of giving remote collaboration and development
more chances (you cannot collaborate in a private repository for sure)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Markus Neteler via Discuss wrote:
> 
> With an upgrade from mailman-2 to mailman-3 we could also have a
> searchable archive.
> See for example
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/
> which looks much more modern than mailman-2 on OSGeo.

Unfortunately nobody stepped up to do that.
Someone (in Matrix chat!) mentioned he would look at it but never
announced any start of work on the SAC mailing list, nor in the SAC
chat room. Any proposal remains theoretical until someone takes on
the effort of making it real.

The corresponding trac ticket is here:

  - https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3028

Personally I'd be very happy to see this upgrade coming, but last I
checked migration of archives was reported to not be "smooth"
(existing mails would not have the same URLs when migrating) so more
decisions are to be made (or someone needs to be bold enough to just
do it and see what happens, which is what was done with Discourse)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 09:56:47AM +0100, Jorge Sanz via Discuss wrote:
> Hi Vicky, allVicky, can you please confirm ...

Just to point out one (only one) of the problems I mentioned in my
previous email about using email over other systems: the mail from
Jorge above arrived to me (and all other subscribers) with a
multipart/mixed Content-Type header. The mixed content was:

  1. A multipart/alternative content (created by Jorge Mail User Agent, I guess)
  2. A text/plain signature (this was added by Mailman)

The content created by Jorge's MUA (multipart/alternative) had 2
alternatively formatted emails:

  1.1. Formatted as text/plain, quoted, utf-8, 10K
  1.2. Formatted as text/html, quoted, utf-8, 24K

My mail software is configured to prefer the text/plain flavor, in
these cases, so that's how I read the email. BUT the email is
formatted in an horrible way (to my taste?): the mail body is a single
line with 5178 characters, according to wl(1):

   1  803 5178

The HTML version is somewhat more readbable but a question arises:
should Mailman "clean up" the mails received before bouncing them
to all subscribers ? But the bigger question is: WHO (among the
OSGeo members) would be partecipating in such a discussion ? And
what's an effective place to discuss about it ? Also: would picking
a different technology ("Discourse", in this case) facilitate these
choices ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss wrote:
>Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
>Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
>explaining the pros and cons of such a move. 
>I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
>This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a
>significant move.

I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
with the most foundation members.

The introduction of so many new/different communication channels
resulted in this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling
of being excluded, which is to be avoided.

>Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on
>20 years.

Same for me. This is something new generations probably consider like
a reason to change (20 years, you oldies!) but I really think email is
still the most open and available and configuratble communication channel
for everyone. I'm 100% sure blind people can read and write email just
fine, and I know first person that I can read and write email even from a
place where internet connection quality is poor, and from machines
which are not very powerful, and I think this is very important if we
want to be inclusive.

>The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a
>community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will
>magically fix.

This is only partially true: I've seen a lot of people who are
being very partecipative BUT do not interact on the mailing lists,
even people having responsibilty on the OSGeo infrastructure have been
expressing a form of dislike for mailing lists, for reasons we cannot
pretend not to see.

I for one only very recently finally got back to manage my own email
and I'm seeing again the problems associated with doing so. This does
not mean the same problems do not exist with other systems, but we
should try to understand the needs of our user base and try to help
with providing solutions.

The above said: I'm also disappointed by not seeing partecipation in
the effort which is required to setup a new service (Discourse) from
the very people who loudly asked for it. Let's all please remember
that infrastructures need to be maintained so please don't ask what
OSGeo can do for you ("I want service X") but rather ask what you can
do for OSGeo ("I want to help maintaining service X").

Thank you for reading so far (short messages are also a kind of
technology some prefer to avoid long messages like mine ;)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] PostGIS-3.3.4 released

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

PostGIS 3.3.4 was just released.

Details and download links can be found at:

http://postgis.net/2023/07/PostGIS-3.3.4-Patch-Release/

Thanks,
The PostGIS Development Team
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo AUTH compare to OSM

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 08:31:29AM +1100, Brad Hards via Discuss wrote:

> Can you explain what you see as the organisational link between OSM and 
> OSGeo? 
> 
> I understand why you want to avoid FB for OSM, but not what you think OSGeo 
> (including the SAC) should do about it.

One thing OSGeo could do is allow every OSGeo UserID to
login via OpenID to services accepting that (like OSM).

A 6-years old ticket to request such functionality is
already in place: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1824

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra request

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 09:51:04AM +0100, Evrard Arthur via Discuss wrote:
>Hello everyone,
> 
>I would like to share a new QGIS plugin but I'm blocked at the "get
>mantra" step...
> 
>Can anyone give me some hint ? (email send yesterday to
>mantra-requ...@osgeo.org but no respond yet).

Hi Evrard, this would have probably been better asked on qgis
developers mailing list, anyway you should have received the
mantra by now (check your spam folder if you didn't).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mirroring Subversion repositories to Git

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 07:49:20PM +, Martin-Louis Bright wrote:
> Thanks for the link to the Gitea site. I'm interested in the following 
> projects:
> 
> https://svn.osgeo.org/mapguide/
> https://svn.osgeo.org/fdo/
> https://svn.osgeo.org/metacrs/csmap/

suggest you ask on the mailing lists of each of those projects.

Usually contact information can be found on the corresponding
trac instance (if you don't have another known official website
address):

  https://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide
  https://trac.osgeo.org/fdo
  https://trac.osgeo.org/csmap (found from https://trac.osgeo.org/metacrs)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mirroring Subversion repositories to Git

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 07:31:23PM +, Martin-Louis Bright wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is there a Git mirror for the repositories hosted in Subversion at 
> https://svn.osgeo.org/? It would be great if these repositories were on 
> https://github.com/OSGeo.

This is a decision left to each project.
Which projects are you interested in ?
I expect projects with mirrors to advertise them.
Some projects have many mirrors, and many projects
are already under Git without necessarely being
on github (remember github is proprietary software!).

Are you aware of https://git.osgeo.org/gitea ?
You'll find many projects there, either with official
repositories or mirrors, see:

  https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/explore/organizations

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Projects] Status report for April - System Contract I 2020

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 09:56:21PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:

> > Grafana is running on OSGeo3 monitor container -> https://monitor.osgeo.org
> 
> Thanks, I eventually managed to start a dashboard so I could find osgeo3
> again quickly.

Can you check if Dashboards can be shared with other users ?
Because I keep having NO dashboards in the "home" page for dashboards
and only see some of them in the "manage" page, were every dashboard
seems to be attached to exactly one of the hosts. I guess it must be
possible to have a single dashboard showing "health" of all OSGeo
services instead ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [SAC] wiki.osgeo.org has moved to osgeo7 from wiki.osgeo.osuosl.org VM

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 01:56:06AM -0400, Regina Obe wrote:
> Just an FYI -- wiki.osgeo.org is completely on osgeo7 now (it's an image of 
> the old server, wiki.osgeo.osuosl.org  converted to an lxd container)

Thank you Regina, great work !

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How big is OSGeo?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2019 at 03:07:06PM +0100, Jo Cook wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has recently attempted to estimate the size
> (in people) of OSGeo?

Registered OSGeo Users (www.osgeo.org/osgeo_userid) at the moment
are 21,744. You can see number of new registrations per year from:

  https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/VisibilityStats#Number_of_registrations_per_year

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[OSGeo-Discuss] librttopo 1.1.0 released

[Sandro Santilli]

Version 1.1.0 of the RT Topology Libarry is ready for download:

  http://download.osgeo.org/librttopo/src/librttopo-1.1.0.tar.gz

The RT Topology Library exposes an API to create and manage standard
(ISO 13249 aka SQL/MM) topologies using user-provided data stores and
released under the GNU GPL license (version 2 or later).

More info can be found from

   https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/rttopo/librttopo

=== What's new in this release ===

Important / Breaking Changes:

 - Support for tolerance/precision=0 added, -1 is the new value
   for automatic computation of minimal tolerance.

 - The getEdgeWithinBox2D backend callback needs to support a NULL
   value as BBOX pointer (to return all edges)

New Features:

 - Function `rtt_AddLineNoFace`, to add lines w/out determining new
   faces (WARNING: leaves topology in an invalid state)

 - Function `rtt_Polygonize`, to determine all faces generated by
   existing edges.

 - Function `rtt_tpsnap`, to snap linear components of a geometry
   to edges of a topology.


Happy packaging !

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo.org website - {profile/change password} broken

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, May 01, 2019 at 03:35:21PM -0700, Alex M wrote:
> On 5/1/19 15:22, Davlet Panech wrote:
> > 
> > The page for changing one's own password that's linked off the profile
> > page of www.osgeo.org, does not work

[...]

> Thanks for reporting, I will forward to the System Admin Committee.

The problem is now fixed. Thanks for reporting !

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] PlanetOSGeo revamp

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 02:39:33PM +0100, Jorge Sanz wrote:

> Please take a look and let me know if you see anything you'd like to
> address:
> 
> http://planet.osgeo.org/new_planet/

I like the way posts are short :)
But I wanted to move past Feb 20 and didn't find a link to
"show more"

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [SAC] Flickr FOSS4G and OSGeo photo history deadline Feb 5th

[Sandro Santilli]

Jody wrote:
> Q: Can we throw the images on OSGeo next cloud?

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:47:16PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
> Yes – We have 16terabytes of space (of I think 8 TB is usable if it's in a 
> RAID config of some sort) 

How about using a more focused service for that ?
MediaGobling comes to mind:
https://mediagoblin.org/

PS: Regina please find a way to do proper quoting,
reading your replies makes my head heavy :(

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: OSGeo Board nomination: Angelos Tzotsos

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 11:26:04PM +0200, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> Forwarding nomination of Angelos Tzotsos by Astrid Emde. The Board
> Nominations page has been updated:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2018

Seconding Angelos nomination. He's very active on welcoming
new OSGeo users looking for a mantra :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] okay foss4g time to move off of Flickr

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 03:02:54PM +0100, Manuel Grizonnet wrote:
> if hosting the service ourselves is not an option there is also the solution
> for OSGeo to pay 4.17$/month to Flickr to have unlimited storage:

Hosting the service ourselves IS an option, we just need to provide
some resources to that. Mediagobling sounds like a perfect match:
https://mediagoblin.org/

I suggest filing a ticket for SAC to deal with.
Do you have an idea about the amount of space needed ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] PlanetOSGeo revamp

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On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:33:21PM +0100, Jorge Sanz wrote:
> 
> https://planet.osgeo.org/new_planet/

It is weird that the "Read more..." link is at the top of
the excerpt rather than below, can it be moved ?

Is it possible to avoid embedded images ? Or the posts
from gvSIG "International call for gvSIG Association
products/services distributors " comes with a huge image.

Last issue I see is the presence of non-english posts,
but I don't think you can do anything for them at the
planet configuration side.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 08:54:32AM -0600, Dan Little wrote:
> On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus"  wrote:
> 
> > am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is
> > not exactly 'normal'?
>
> You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective.

No, he's not the only one. I also don't like to see OSGeo advertising
brands of companies having a mission in hiding source code of the
software they publish and preventing others to implement same
functionality via patents.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Service Provider Directory down?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 11:19:12AM -0600, James Klassen wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2018 09:43, "Luí­s Moreira de Sousa" 
> wrote:
> > what happened to the Service Provider Directory? The wiki is presently
> > pointing to http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile , but that is a dead
> > link. Is the directory really down, or it is just a URL glitch?
>
> I think it got moved here with the website update.
> 
> https://www.osgeo.org/service-providers/

Could any of you file a ticket on https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo
("website" component) so to fix any broken incoming link ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] PlanetOSGeo revamp

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On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 02:39:33PM +0100, Jorge Sanz wrote:

> Please take a look and let me know if you see anything you'd like to
> address:
> 
> http://planet.osgeo.org/new_planet/

Thanks for taking this task !
One thing that I found annoying in the old planet and is still
present in the new one is having full articles dumped on the page.

I'd rather just see short summaries for each, so that I can
see more titles in less scrolling. A click to read all article
doesn't seem too much work, if the title and short summary is
interesting.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Website 15th relaunch - members and local chapters

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 09:16:32AM +, b.j.kob...@utwente.nl wrote:
> Well, I created an OSGEO Userid, now let's hope it gets OKd ;-)
> 
> By the way, on the creation page it states "OSGeo user IDs provide access to 
> many OSGeo services, including bug trackers and wikis. " You'd probably want 
> to change that as I now understand the Wiki is the thing NOT included...?

Trac also provide wikis, maybe that's what the text refers too.
The whole "including ..." part may be removed though, as
there's a comprensive list below.

Do you have privileges to edit that page, on the staging website ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Website 15th relaunch - members and local chapters

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 07:15:50AM -0800, Jody Garnett wrote:

> I am not sure how getting access to the OSGeo wiki works, but all these
> students have been doing it so I hope it is automated.

There's an approval system in there as well, only different :(

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Website 15th relaunch - members and local chapters

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:55:25AM +, b.j.kob...@utwente.nl wrote:
> Hi Jody,
> 
> Something's not working as I expected: I thought "Login with your OSGeo id" 
> meant I could use the ID and PW I have been using in the past (for the OSGOE 
> wiki etc). But this does not seem the case. Do I really have to create a 
> fully new account...?

The "OSGeo Wiki" is the only service _not_ Using the "OSGeo ID".
All the others ("etc."?) do.

Please read about it in:
http://www.osgeo.org/osgeo_userid
(OSGEo Userid Enabled Services)

I'm really sorry and inconvenienced too about this duplication
of accounts. If you know anyone who can help fixing this situation
there's a ticket here that has been pending for 10 years now:
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/165

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Gogs upgraded to Gitea: update your repository URLs

[Sandro Santilli]

I've upgraded the technology behind the experimental OSGeo GIT hosting
service from Gogs to Gitea and changed service URL as part of that:
from https://git.osgeo.org/gogs to https://git.osgeo.org/gitea.

While HTTP redirects are in place, you may want to update your
bookmarks and git configurations.

An easy way to deal with git configurations would be runinng the
following command in each of your git repositories with a
registered OSGeo service remote:

  sed -i 's|osgeo.org/gogs/|osgeo.org/gitea/|' .git/config

For more info about Gitea, the new service, see https://gitea.io

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registering at OSGeo

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On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 02:18:16PM +, Nagy Edmond wrote:
> I've made a GRASS add-on and eventually hope to share it within the
> community, and get feedback from users, but obtaining a user id is
> a prerequisite.
>
> If anyone knows a good way of getting one, I would very much appreciate it.

The best way to share it would be to publish it somewhere and
announcing it on the GRASS developers and/or users mailing lists.

Showing the code would also be useful to obtain the mantra.

Your mantra request mail arrived correctly and will be handled
shortly, I guess the bulk-reply you got was coming from some of
the recipients of that email alias, maybe suspicious of @yahoo.com
accounts...

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Projects] [OSGeo-Live] Moving to Transifex - step 2 - Battle testing

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:05:05PM +0200, Nicolas Roelandt wrote:

> Some of us also had worked on transifex for other FOSS projects, so we had
> this knowledge to help us set up the whole process.

Yep, that's the "drug trap" as I call it.
It's the reason why Microsoft is "donating" licenses to schools.
Also the danger of GitHub.

Don't learn too much !

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Projects] [OSGeo-Live] Moving to Transifex - step 2 - Battle testing

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 07:38:00AM +0200, Nicolas Roelandt wrote:

> Transifex will hugely simplify and improve the sustainability of our
> translation experience (over our previous manual spreadsheet / git / .rst
> process).
> 
> It offers machine translation.
> It provides a review process.
> It shows us what is changed in the English doc version.
> It shows translation progress

Sorry to mention as I understand it took a long time to set this up,
but I'd add an additional point, that since 2013:

  - It is proprietary software

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transifex:

>> Transifex itself was originally an open source project, but the
>> development of an open source version of the software was discontinued
>> in 2013. [3][4]

More info:
https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/206#issuecomment-15243207

A possible alternative owuld be Weblate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weblate (GPLv3+)
The developers offer hosting plans (including gratis for free software):
https://weblate.org/en/hosting/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 09:10:52PM +0200, Even Rouault wrote:

> Sandro mentionned GIMP's "like Photoshop, only better" motto but on
> https://www.gimp.org/ no mention of Photoshop I could find

They must have received a call from lawyers.
But I'm sure I didn't dream that motto, or if I did, I was not the
only one: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~srv/tools.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Add your avatar to wiki pages

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 09:42:48AM -0300, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> Have some geek fun and magically add your avatar (from Gravatar/Libravatar
> services) to your OSGeo wiki pages.  The wiki syntax is:
> 
>

Actually this is even easier with the updated User template [1]:
just fill in the "Email" field and, i you didn't explicitly
specify a "Photo" field, the "Email" field will be used to retrive
an Avatar using the "Libravatar" protocol, which implies:

 - Ask the DNS database if your mail domain has an associated
   avatar service, and use that if so (it is the case for me)

 - Failing the above, ask libravatar.org for the avatar associated
   to your email fingerprint (you can upload a picture there:
   https://www.libravatar.org/)

 - If you hadn't uploaded a picture on libravatar.org, it will
   fallback to gravatar (some of you may know gravatar from
   elsewhere)

NOTE: the same process above is the one used to display avatars
for Gogs users here: https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/explore/users/

The idea of "libre avatar" is that you can be in control of
serving your own avatar.

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Template:OSGeo_Member

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 08:33:05PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:

> How much of your initial concern was providing a link? Or is it just
> displaying the name (switching to MapInfo for the example here). It would
> be kind of nice if the it behaved like a keyword, and linked to the project
> page short listing all the projects that one can migrate to from MapInfo.

It's different degrees of annoyance. I guess a brand-less and
link-less list of names of proprietary products would not be too
"offensive" for me (assuming spam filtering lets it pass) but I'd
still prefer an hidden keyword. Something that you never see written
but is recognized by the search engine to give you back a similar
software: you search for  you get .

The "like Photoshop, only better" motto I like even when it contains
the name because it explicitly bashes it :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 01:19:48PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:

> The reason I want to keep the names (don't care about the links) is address
> the needs of non-commuity website visitors. To answer the question "I use
> XXX, how can you help me?"

As I wrote on the ticket already, I like the idea of answering such
question, but having the XXX name on each page does not answer it
because it would require people to know the answer before asking the
question.

How hard would it be to turn those XXX into keywords so that the
a search for "XXX" returns related project pages ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination Cristina Domínguez

[Sandro Santilli]

+1 for Cristina --strk;

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 09:24:52PM -0400, Jorge Sanz wrote:
> +1 Jorge
> 
> Cristina is a super active member of our community in Seville
> 
> --
> Jorge Sanz
> 
> Sent from my phone, excuse my brevity.
> 
> El 30 ago. 2017 20:06, "Vasile Craciunescu" 
> escribió:
> 
> > Forwarding Cristina Domínguez nomination by María Arias de Reyna. The 2017
> > member nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Vasile & Jeff
> > 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
> >
> >
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject: Nomination Cristina Domínguez
> > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 13:08:04 +0200
> > From: María Arias de Reyna 
> > To: CRO , Cristina Domínguez 
> >
> > I want to nominate Cristina Domínguez, in cc.
> >
> > Cristina is a Technical Engineer in Topography. She started using
> > gvSIG in 2010 and since then she has been a prominent user in many
> > OsGeo software: qGIS, OpenLayers, Leaflet, GeoNetwork, GeoServer,
> > postGIS,... She is an active OSM user since 2014.
> >
> > Cristina is also part of the GeoInquietos group in Sevilla and has
> > participated and organizaed many local and regional geo events,
> > usually related to foss and open data like mapping parties.
> >
> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nominating Tom Chadwin for OSGeo Charter Membership

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 04:26:27PM +0200, Moritz Lennert wrote:
> On 29/08/17 05:14, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> > Dear Moritz,
> > 
> > According with the rules, Tom's nomination, as any other nomination,
> > require at least one second vote.
> 
> Then here's my second. :-)

Here's mine for Tom Chadwin !

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Nominating Björn Harrtell as an OSGeo charter member

[Sandro Santilli]

I would like to nominate Björn Harrtell for OSGeo charter membership.

Björn is a PostGIS committer, contributor of OpenLayers, GeoTools and
JTS, author of the JavaScript JTS port (http://bjornharrtell.github.io/jsts/)

He recently setup and still takes care of the experimental OSGeo/GitLab
server: http://bjornharrtell.github.io/jsts/; provides a Drone
agent for the experimental OSGeo/Gogs CI (https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Drone)

You might know him as `bj0rn[m]` on IRC

Wiki page: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Bjornharrtell

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:53:47PM -0400, Marc Vloemans wrote:

> GPL is approved by OSI, just like the EPL. We are on the same team. The word 
> 'against' suggests we are at odds with each other over this. Which we are 
> not, never have been and never will be.

Do you accept GPL covered software projects in your foundation ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:

> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?

This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [FOSS4G EU 2017] Presentations on OSGeo's gogs

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 12:21:57PM +, Didier Richard wrote:

> https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/foss4g-europe/foss4g-europe-2017-paris

Wow, embedded PDFs, I'm loving it !
Thanks a lot for this

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [PHISHING] Important Notice To All Amazon Customers

[Sandro Santilli]

FYI: a ticket has been created to address preventing these kind
of phishing attacks: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1980#ticket
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo website/rebranding July Update

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:22:37PM -0500, Vicky Vergara wrote:
> Hi Jody
> Of course, but a lesson first so 
> I signed to the OSGeo Website code sprint in Boston, unfortunately I wont
> be in person, but IRC (or if someone has skype to use video can make it
> easier)

Speaking of which, it would be nice to add some free places in the
"find us" section at the bottom-right corner of those pages, right
now listing facebook, linkedin and twitter accounts.

How about adding a link to the Matrix room #osgeo:matrix.org for
a start ? http://matrix.to/#/#osgeo:matrix.org

Even better to also have presence on one node in the so-called
"fediverse" (Mastodon, GNUSocial, Diaspora and friends...) but
that requires more than just a link...

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GEOS-3.6.2 released

[Sandro Santilli]

Second patch release in the 3.6 branch has just been released:

  http://download.osgeo.org/geos/geos-3.6.2.tar.bz2 (1.9MB)
  MD5: a32142343c93d3bf151f73db3baa651f
  GIT commit: 4d2925d6e0c758742a178053132eef02cd8374d2 (tag 3.6.2)

Bug fixes and improvements since previous release:

  - Fix exception in UnaryUnion of collection of touching polygons (#837)
  - Allow building against python 3 (#774)
  - Fix build with android-ndk and other compilers (#799)
  - Allows compiling with -Wpointer-bool-conversion (#638)
  - Fix unhandled exception on invalid fp operation (#811)
  - Fix overloaded virtual print in DirectedEdge* (#812)
  - AppVeyor CI build added (#813)
  - Clean up numerous MSVC warnings, notably C4275 and C4589 (#814)
  - Bump CMake version to 3.0.0 (#817)
  - Fix leaks in WKT parser (#830)

Please report any new bug on:

  https://trac.osgeo.org/geos

Cheers !

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] new official MapServer twitter account

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:51:28AM +0200, Jeff McKenna wrote:

> The MapServer team here has created a new twitter account for updates from
> the MapServer project: please share! https://twitter.com/mapserver_osgeo

Please make sure MapServer team mebers are aware of open twitter
alternatives, to let people follow them using standard based agents.

One modern such alternative: https://mastodon.social/
 see https://mastodon.social/tags/gis for a federated tag search
 and https://mastodon.social/@Gargron for an example profile

NOTE: anyone can setup a node in the federation, and it is compatible
  with the somewhat older GNUSocial protocol.

Source code: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo website/rebranding May Update

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 03:10:39PM +0100, Steven Feldman wrote:
> Puzzled
> 
> We accept sponsorship from Google, we mentor students and are listed for 
> their Summer of Code but using a Google Form to easily collect data should be 
> avoided.
> 
> Is it official OSGeo policy to not use Google tools?

No, it's my personal invite to avoid vendor lockin, which is one of
the reasons why people in this community prefer free software over
proprietary counterparts.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo website/rebranding May Update

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Jun 08, 2017 at 10:15:18AM +0100, Steven Feldman wrote:
> An alternative is to make the score card as  `Google Form and then embed that 
> in a page - that gives us a nice spreadsheet as the ‘back end’ without any 
> extra effort

Please let's try to exist independently from Google :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 02:56:16PM -0300, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> On 2017-03-21 12:19 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> >
> >
> >RE: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo
> 
> Yes the FOSS4G-Boston site is in OSGeo Gogs (at
> https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/FOSS4G-Boston-2017/foss4g2017-web); I'll likely
> move that into the main FOSS4G Gogs at some point, with the other
> repositories like video etc. (https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/foss4g).   For
> those of you interested in actually seeing the list of Gogs repositories for
> FOSS4G, see this screen capture: http://pasteboard.co/OxHt5GBfG.png

Would those go under "outreach projects" section of the wiki page ?

> But really the gold standard (and still gets lots of constant love from me)
> is the FOSS4G subversion repository which has archives of FOSS4G files from
> 2017 back to 2003 (https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/).

Wow, great work !
I wonder if for archives SVN would still be more convenient as a format

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 12:43:29PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote:

> without a secret, there is no technology advancement

I think this is a purely ideological position.

Secrets can generate all kind of deseases, if you ask me :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 09:56:49PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> On 20 March 2017 at 21:02, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
> > I've added a line for OSGeo-Live
> 
> FYI, I only walked through the ones in the "OSGeo Projects" frame at 
> osgeo.org.

I think foss4g website (or was it just video?) is also using Gogs.
Jeff ?

RE: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Happy birthday to the community!

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sat, Feb 04, 2017 at 10:29:17AM -0400, Jeff McKenna wrote:

> PS. As of 1st February we have 28672 unique subscribers to OSGeo lists!

And 20601 OSGeo User IDs :)

Happy birthday all

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planned Trac downtime Feb 1 8:30-9:30 UTC

[Sandro Santilli]

Trac upgrade was completed. Please report any issue you may encounter
on trac itself if possible (https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/) or to
the SAC mailing list if subscribed 
(https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac) or to sysad...@osgeo.org
or via IRC on the Freenode network in the #osgeo channel
(http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#osgeo)

--strk;

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 09:02:06AM +0100, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> Tomorrow morning we'll upgrade the OSGeo Trac service software
> to the recently released version 1.2.
> 
> The upgrade process implies a period of downtime which in the best
> scenario will be of about 10 minutes, but could extend to more in
> case of troubles.
> 
> The scheduled time on major world cities:
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSGeo+Trac+service+downtime&iso=20170201T0830&p1=1440&ah=1
> 
> During the downtime period you'll be unable to reach trac.osgeo.org
> pages. I hadn't tested but SVN update hooks updating trac *might*
> fail preventing a commit to go through. Just try again after one
> hour if that happens.
> 
> Relevant ticket (but will be unreachable during downtime):
> 
>https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1816
> 
> We'll be available on the #osgeo and #telascience IRC channels
> on Freenode network if you want to help with the process.
> 
> --strk;
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Planned Trac downtime Feb 1 8:30-9:30 UTC

[Sandro Santilli]

Tomorrow morning we'll upgrade the OSGeo Trac service software
to the recently released version 1.2.

The upgrade process implies a period of downtime which in the best
scenario will be of about 10 minutes, but could extend to more in
case of troubles.

The scheduled time on major world cities:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSGeo+Trac+service+downtime&iso=20170201T0830&p1=1440&ah=1

During the downtime period you'll be unable to reach trac.osgeo.org
pages. I hadn't tested but SVN update hooks updating trac *might*
fail preventing a commit to go through. Just try again after one
hour if that happens.

Relevant ticket (but will be unreachable during downtime):

   https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1816

We'll be available on the #osgeo and #telascience IRC channels
on Freenode network if you want to help with the process.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] geos-3.6.1 released

[Sandro Santilli]

A bugfix release of the Geometry Engine Open Source (GEOS)
is ready for download:

  http://download.osgeo.org/geos/geos-3.6.1.tar.bz2
  MD5: c97e338b3bc81f9848656e9d693ca6cc

Changes:

  - Bug fixes / improvements
- Fix GEOSSTRtree_nearest_r signature and add implementation (#796)
- Fix --static-clibs and --static-cclibs returns from geos-config
- Fix WKB representation of empty polygon (#680).
- Fix empty GEOSSimplify return on inner ring collapse (#741)

Note that the PHP binding of GEOS are now released separately,
from a package which is at his 1.0.0 release too since today:
https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/geos/php-geos/releases

More info about GEOS can be read on https://geos.osgeo.org

As usual, shall you find any bug in the code please file it on
the bug tracker ( https://trac.osgeo.org/geos ) or report it on
the mailing list ( https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/geos-devel ).

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GEOS-3.5.1 released

[Sandro Santilli]

Release 3.5.1 of GEOS is available:

   http://download.osgeo.org/geos/geos-3.5.1.tar.bz2
   MD5: 2e3e1ccbd42fee9ec427106b65e43dc0
 
This is a bugfix release, containing these fixes/improvements:

  - Fix CMake configuration to allow build from released sources
package (#753)
  - Fix memory leaks in single-sided buffers (#747), PlanarGraph and
tests
  - Fix GeometryEditor to correctly update factory of empty geometries
(#749)
  - Fix snapping of last segment of a closed linestring (#758)
  - Fix memory exhaustion case in isvalid (#757)
  - Fix Windows build with Visual Studio 2008 (#766)
  - Fix incorrect return from prepared multipoint intersects (#764)
  - Fix build against GCC 3.5.0+ (#784)
 
Enjoy !

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GEOS-3.6.0 released

[Sandro Santilli]

Release 3.6.0 of GEOS is available:

  http://download.osgeo.org/geos/geos-3.6.0.tar.bz2
  MD5: 55de5fdf075c608d2d7b9348179ee649

Changes since 3.5.0:

  - Important / Breaking Changes:
- The PHP binding moved to its own repository:
  http://git.osgeo.org/gogs/geos/php-geos (#765)
  - New things:
- CAPI: GEOSGeom_{get,set}UserData (Rashad Kanavath)
- CAPI: GEOSGeom_{set,get}Precision (#713)
- CAPI: GEOSMinimumRotatedRectangle and GEOSMinimumWidth
  (#729, Nyall Dawson)
- CAPI: GEOSSTRtree_nearest (#768, Dan Baston)
- CAPI: GEOSMinimumClearance and GEOSMinimumClearanceLine
  (#776, Dan Baston)
  - C++ API changes:
- Automatic memory management for GeometryFactory objects

Enjoy !

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] https on 2017.foss4g.org

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sun, Oct 09, 2016 at 01:29:02AM +, Guido Stein wrote:
> Sandro,
> 
> can you please put a ticket into SAC for this. I will be happy to work with
> them on this.

Done: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1798

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[OSGeo-Discuss] https on 2017.foss4g.org

[Sandro Santilli]

Could the 2017.foss4g.org website be made available in https too ?
Failing to do so results in browser warnings upon visiting a web
page that contains the foss4g 2017 banner, like this:

 https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/

It's gratis and easy (and worth learning) to do it via letsencrypt:
https://letsencrypt.org/


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Candidate Statement for Jeffrey Johnson

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 08:59:05AM -0700, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

> Happy to answer any questions here or via other channels. Can we have
> a hangout 'debate'? :)

If you do, please use a free software alternative, not "hangout".
Here's one: https://meet.jit.si/osgeo

Or even better (requires less resources to partecipate):
  irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo
  also accessible (same place) as:
  https://webchat.freenode.net/#osgeo
  or
  https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#osgeo

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination for Luigi Pirelli

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 03:16:04PM +0300, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> Forwarding Luigi Pirelli nomination by Yves Jacolin.

+1 for Luigi

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination for Matthias Kuhn

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 01:25:03PM +0300, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> Forwarding Matthias Kuhn nomination by Vincent Picavet.

Seconded

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is website commettee alive ?

[Sandro Santilli]

Hi Jody, thanks for getting back to me.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:06:44AM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:
> I have joined the website committee / mailing list and they have been
> responsive for updating the website. If you would like access I am sure you
> can join the committee and volunteer?

Sure, what does it take ?
I expressed my willingness to help in the ticket, but got no answer.
Could I get one on the ticket (so we don't make too much noise
on this mailing list).

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Is website commettee alive ?

[Sandro Santilli]

I've noticed a problem in a website page and filed a ticket
for it: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1733

The ticket got no feedback in 4 weeks.

The ticket content was also automatically sent to the 
WebCom mailing list:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/webcom/2016-June/002412.html

This mail is my attempt to reach a broader audience in case
someone with website privileges is not reading the mailing
list.

I'd be happy to fix the webpage myself but I'd need permissions
to do that (there's no "edit" button when I look at the page).

So, is anyone from the Web Commettee reading this / active ?

Thanks in advance

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra for creating user id

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:01:18PM +0200, Pelle Rosenbeck Gøeg wrote:
> I need the mantra for signing up at
> https://www.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/ldap_create_user.py

Please don't use this mailing list for similar requests.
I've updated the user registration page to mention the sysadmin
email address, which is the correct one for these kind of requests.

Sysadmins in Cc, please keep the thread off the discuss list.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] #osgeo- channels on freenode

[Sandro Santilli]

As I noticed localized osgeo talk on Freenode happens on channels
with hard-to-guess names (#gfoss for italian, #fossgis for german)
I'm wondering what would it take to have "official" osgeo channels
with format #osgeo-.

I know Freenode does support a wildcard-like channel registration
so that #osgeo- follows some general permissions, does
anyone know more about that ?

Freenode also supports automatic redirection, so eventually all
currently known channel names could be automatically redirected
to the new, more consistent, naming.

Anyone has experience with that ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra Request (OSgeoID)

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 07:14:51PM +, Jason M Wheatley wrote:
> I need a mantra so I can submit QGIS issues please! Thank you!

For the record: Jason had already an account, I'm handling it with
private communications.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Adding "wiki" component to osgeo trac ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 06:21:47PM +0200, Christian Willmes wrote:
> +1
> 
> Yes, sounds like a good Idea to give an opportunity for requesting
> features and reporting bugs.

Great.
Component added and some tickets moved to it (for testing).
I'm not sure you'll receive notifications, due to
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1671, do you ?

There are many more tickets that belong to the "Wiki" component.
This is a list of all the ones with "wiki" in the title, in case
you want to move some to the new component:
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&summary=~wiki&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&order=priority

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra request (OsgeoID)

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 06:27:16PM +0200, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
> Maybe the mantra should be posted to this list with a link to this
> discussion. I'm quite sure that blocks most spam and removes a barrier to
> reporting a bug/contributing.
> 
> Now people have to register for the mailinglist, confirm. Ask for a pw.
> Wait for it. Register. Confirm ...

You can also ask for the mantra on IRC, with no registration
required there. Or (we could add this info to the page) people
may ask for the mantra to someone from the project they are
registering to contribute to.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Adding "wiki" component to osgeo trac ?

[Sandro Santilli]

How about adding a "wiki" component to osgeo trac and
give ownership to Christian ?

Would you find that useful, Chris ?
Theoretically you would be automatically assigned the tickets
in that component.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra request (OsgeoID)

[Sandro Santilli]

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 03:29:05PM +0200, Frank Olieu wrote:

> I need a mantra to create an OsgeoID.

FYI: mantra sent via private email.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] librttopo-1.0.0 released

[Sandro Santilli]

Release 1.0.0 of librttopo is ready for download:
http://download.osgeo.org/librttopo/src/librttopo-1.0.0.tar.gz
(MD5 31b0c3fd80e92fc7a68ba16006aeba8b)

This is the first public release of the library.

The RT Topology Library exposes an API to create and manage standard
(ISO 13249 aka SQL/MM) topologies using user-provided data stores
released under the GNU GPL license (version 2 or later).

The code is derived from [PostGIS](http://postgis.net) liblwgeom
library enhanced to provide thread-safety, have less dependencies
and be independent from PostGIS release cycles.

The RT Topology Library was funded by "Regione Toscana - SITA"
(CIG: 6445512CC1), which also funded many improvements in the
originating liblwgeom.

Official code repository is:
https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/rttopo/librttopo.

Happy cleaning ! :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra request

[Sandro Santilli]

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 08:08:14AM +0200, Alessandro Isastia wrote:

> I need a mantra to report a bug in nViz in Grass latest release.

FYI: I've sent Alessandro a private mail with the mantra --strk;
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Userid registration - Full Name and Surname ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:47:53AM -0700, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
> Strk,
> 
> It was a direct transcription of the fields in LDAP.  No harm in
> changing it I imagine.

Any idea about the "givenName" field, which is present in some
LDAP records but isn't prompted for in the form ?

It's hard to change with when half the people used it in a way
and the other half in another :/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Userid registration - Full Name and Surname ?

[Sandro Santilli]

It looks like being a common issue:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues/812

How about just dropping one of the fields ?

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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:01:13PM +0200, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> I'm wondering why do we ask for "Full Name" and "Surname"
> in the user registration form. I find it confusing, and a
> quick look at the LDAP database shows it's not just me:
> about half the registered users put the "given name" in the
> "Full Name" field.
> 
> Some users also have a registered "givenName" field, while
> others do not.
> 
> So, which way is the correct way ?
> 
> I could improve the form by giving instructions, but I need
> those instructions myself ...
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Userid registration - Full Name and Surname ?

[Sandro Santilli]

I'm wondering why do we ask for "Full Name" and "Surname"
in the user registration form. I find it confusing, and a
quick look at the LDAP database shows it's not just me:
about half the registered users put the "given name" in the
"Full Name" field.

Some users also have a registered "givenName" field, while
others do not.

So, which way is the correct way ?

I could improve the form by giving instructions, but I need
those instructions myself ...

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Recovering OSGeo account password

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:31:32AM -0700, Zan Strausz wrote:

> Not sure who to contact to help with recovering access to my
> account, there seems to be no password recovery enabled in the login
> page.  Got this list address from account registration page
> (https://www2.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/ldap_create_user.py)

I handled this (from your IRC mention).
Please Zan let me know if everything is fine now.

> Sorry to bother,  :>(

No problem, we're not github or one of those others big corporations
with no time for users :P

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [SoC] OSGeo user id

[Sandro Santilli]

Hi Mayank,

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 03:12:08PM +0530, Mayank Agrawal wrote:

> I am Mayank Agrawal and I am participating in the GSoC this year with
> Grass. For creating a wiki in https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/GSoC#a2016
> , I need a OSGeo userid but this link
> https://www.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/ldap_create_user.py for creating id is under
> maintenance. Can anyone tell what can be done in this case.

I've re-enabled the form. We're under a mass-registration storm so
please let me know when you're done so I that we could disable it
again (and maybe then add more info about workarounds until we fix
the storm)

Sorry for the inconvenience

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [trac service] inter-trac links enabled

[Sandro Santilli]

For those projects that are still using the OSGeo trac,
I've just enabled inter-trac links.

This means you can reference tickets/wikipages/changesets of
any OSGeo project using trac from any other trac instance by
simply prepending the project name in the link, like:

  geos:changeset:2234
  osgeo:#45
  ubuntugis:wiki:WikiStart

The project name is the last portion of the trac entrypoint:

  https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis <--- "postgis"

I hope you'll find it useful. Next step will be figuring out a
way to automatically show the incoming link from the target :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Requesting services for librttopo

[Sandro Santilli]

Marc, I hadn't seen librttopo added to the wiki page,
is there anything I should do to move this further ?

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On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 10:51:58AM +0200, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 08:38:36AM +0200, Marc Vloemans wrote:
> 
> > @Sandro: which site do you want me to link to?
> 
> There's currently no official website.
> Maybe the closest to that is: https://strk.kbt.io/projects/rttopo
> but if you can help with building a real website (as mentioned
> on the wiki page) that'd be great :)
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Trac Spam filter plugin installed

[Sandro Santilli]

I've installed TracSpamPlugin globally and prepared every instance
so that project trac admins can enable the plugin autonomously
(required a database structure upgrade for spam management tables).

See https://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SpamFilter for usage instructions.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Somebody is Spamming trac_osgeo4w list

[Sandro Santilli]

Quick and temporary "fix" for list admins:
put trac_osge...@osgeo.org in moderation

Quick and temporary "fix" for trac admins:
disable trac creation permission to "authenticated" users.

--strk;

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 03:00:14PM -0400, Alex M wrote:
> Ya we're working on it, it's actually trac spam, not list spam directly.
> It's affecting all trac instances actually. Anyone with Trac Spam
> filtering and LDAP experience please hop over the the Sys Admin Mailing
> list or IRC and offer to help out.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> Sys Admin Committee
> 
> On 05/03/2016 02:48 PM, Abhay wrote:
> > Kind Attn:  List Admins,
> > 
> > Just bring this to notices to list admins it seem the trac_osgeo4w list is
> > bombarded with Spam.. Can list admins take look at it?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Requesting services for librttopo

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 08:38:36AM +0200, Marc Vloemans wrote:

> @Sandro: which site do you want me to link to?

There's currently no official website.
Maybe the closest to that is: https://strk.kbt.io/projects/rttopo
but if you can help with building a real website (as mentioned
on the wiki page) that'd be great :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Requesting services for librttopo

[Sandro Santilli]

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 12:00:04PM -0400, Jody Garnett wrote:
> I would ask if the project would consider joining OSGeo as a community
> project ? This
> requirement is minimal, we want some assurance that your project is both
> open source and open to collaboration.

On behalf of the PSC, I confirm we are ok with joining OSGeo as a
community project. Is there any step we need to take to complete
the move ?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Requesting services for librttopo

[Sandro Santilli]

Hi all,
this mail is to request permission to use the download area
of OSGeo for publishing librttopo packages, and possibly
an rttopo.osgeo.org domain and webspace.

The librttopo project consists of a GPL(v2+) licensed library
providing a standard-based topology API on top of user-provided
input/output routines for storage. It was derived from the PostGIS
liblwgeom library at its 2.2.0 version, from which deviated to
drop PostGIS-specific dependencies and add thread-safety (not
of interest for PostGIS proper at this time).

The upcoming 4.4.0 version of Spatialite will be using librttopo
instead of liblwgeom and the aim is to attract other liblwgeom users
(QGIS, for example) so to eventually free PostGIS from the burden of
maintaining a stable liblwgeom API. Having PostGIS itself use
librttopo is currently not on the radar, but might be considered in
the future if librttopo gets more development.

At the moment librttopo code is hosted in the experimental OSGeo
[Gogs service](https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/rttopo/librttopo) and
has an OSGeo hosted [mailing list]
(https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/librttopo-dev)

The project is managed by Andrea Peri of "Regione Toscana" (primary
sponsor for the library), Alessandro Furieri of Spatialite and
myself from PostGIS/GEOS.

Some more background info are available from [my website]
(https://strk.kbt.io/projects/rttopo)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Requirements for an OSGeo Git service

[Sandro Santilli]

Following recent experiment toward the provision of an OSGeo Git
service, I've drafted a page to gather requirements from projects
developers:

   https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GitServiceRequirement

If you're interested in such a service, please add your name under
an existing requirement line and/or add your own requirements.

The current experiemental git services are described on this page:

   https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Git_Service

Thanks in advance.

PS: please forward this mail to your project mailing list, for wider
visibility.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] where to find logos of OSGeo ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 01:07:38PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Martes 19. abril 2016 13.06.36 Sandro Santilli escribió:
> > Is there a page listing all available logos of OSGeo ?
> > I could not find such a page, so reverted to extract logos
> > from existing pages, which is suboptimal when you're looking
> > for a specific size or kind.
> 
> See https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Logo

Thank you.  I think I saw that page, but was surprised to find only
a small set of the available ones. For example the logo used
on the top-left corner of the wiki page itself is not present.

I guess they are in the trac repository, but there's no preview
in there :(

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[OSGeo-Discuss] where to find logos of OSGeo ?

[Sandro Santilli]

Is there a page listing all available logos of OSGeo ?
I could not find such a page, so reverted to extract logos
from existing pages, which is suboptimal when you're looking
for a specific size or kind.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 02:21:22PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> On 15 April 2016 at 09:52, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> > What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?
> 
> My 10 features are:
> 
> 1. LDAP (log in with OSGeo User ID or OpenID)
> 2. Private repositories
> 3. Organizations (e.g./GDAL)
> 4. User space (fork /GDAL/gdal into /mloskot/gdal, also private fork)
> 5. Issue tracker (internal, as external would never be as well integrated)
> -- Milestones, labels/categories, commit keywords (e.g. Fixes #123)
> -- Comment issues via mail is not critical, but nice.
> 6. Wiki (internal, see above)
> 7. Code review (comments on diff lines is a minimum)
> 8. Pull requests
> 9. CI (integration with Travis CI and AppVeyor is a minimum)
> 10. Webhooks and any other mean to integrate with IRC, Gitter, Slack,
> whatever teams like to use.
> 
> The comparison table [1] so far, I think, makes it clear GitLab is the only
> self-hosted solution which is close to what we've got now: Subversion + Trac.
> It also matches my 10 points.
> 
> Gogs wins due to low*** maintenance requirements,
> but it will require custom development what, I think,
> is a deal breaker - we have NO resources for this.
> 
> GitLab wins feature-wise, but its maintenance might turn
> very demanding***. If bigger hassle than SVN+Trac this
> also might be deal breaker - we have VERY limited resources.
> 
> ***We need to allocate budget for admins!

I would add that IFF all projects migrate to a new infrastructure
(like Gogs or GitLab) the overall maintainance cost might _reduce_
as enabling a feature (like "tickets update via commit log")
currently requires changing the configuration of each project
repository, rather than a single configuration valid for
everybody (or an autonomous setting for it).

> Finally, GitHub, wins: feature-wise, marketing-wise, with 'zero' maintenance
> - most, if not all, of our projects already prefer GitHub.

1. marketing wasn't in your 10 points ?
2. 'zero' maintainance is true for any hosted solution (including
   gitlab.com, for example).

> The only reason we haven't done it already is the cost.

Done what ? Most projects don't need private repositories so could
move at no cost. Or you mean the cost of having LDAP authentication ?

> Let's allocate budget for paid account.

Are you willing to collect quotes for hosted git service plans
meeting all of your 10 features above ? Do we have an idea about
the actual needs in term of number of repositories or other similar
parameters required ?

Personally I wouldn't like to see an "open source" foundation pay for
services based on "closed source" software, but I guess there are open
source based companies offering hosted services too.

> However, the very first question is still open:
> Do we want or need to switch at all?
> Are all teams happy with the OSGeo SVN+Trac setup?

I guess this needs to be an individual question, not a per-team one.
Personally I'd like to stop using SVN, in general, and being able
to easily publish my development branches for consideration by
projects (and discussion over them). Current trac setup allows to
switch to git but management of forks and pull requests are not
available out-of-the-box (didn't do any research about plugins
to do that). Add to that the problem of needing to enable each feature
on each of the projects and find that it migth be just easier
to switch all to Gogs (28 repositories are already registered there,
and it is only an experimental deploy).

Looking forward for others to answer this fundamental question:
Are you happy with OSGeo SVN+Trac setup ?

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