Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?
Also keep in mind, unlike windows specific applications many foss4g apps rely on shared libraries like OGR and back end DB's. So the testing is not just of the application but also the libs and DB's. A feature comparison is a good start and many masters projects have already done that as well as xcompare them to closed source desktop apps. Cheers --Original Message-- From: Paolo Cavallini Sender: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org To: OSGeo Discussions ReplyTo: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010? Sent: Dec 20, 2009 5:15 AM On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:59:32 +1100, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: Andrea, That looks like an excellent basis to start from. Were the results of the desktop comparison written up somewhere? While a feature comparison is valuable, the end user is also interested is other metrics which are harder to collect. Hi Cameron. Unfortunately we could not collect hard data about this, and frankly I think this would be very difficult to do - a desktop is much more subjective than a server. What is difficult for me can be easy for you, etc. Anyway, I think such a comparison is really necessary. Ideas welcome. All the best. -- http://faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers andESRI ArcIMS
Fantastic over view of governments using open source for a global perspective in the may issue of the open source business resource But even other people using it won't convince the laggards. Open source GIS is often implemented from the inside out and not top down. Eventualy some can point out that ESRI ships open source libraries and tools. Then you ask the decision makers why you can't use other open source software if ESRI ships it already. Mp is the classic example (metadata parser). Just keep providing examples. We could go on for ever in this thread. Cheers Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:52:06 To: OSGeo Discussionsdiscuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS John, Your information here is fantastic, and I'd love to see it worked into a case study. This is the sort of information that Government departments ask for all the time. This Open Source stuff sounds great, but who else has used it? Are there any case studies that we can look over? If you created a good case study talking about how you helped a high profile client move from ESRI Arc GIS server to Open Source, it would likely become one of the most widely referenced documents in OSGeo marketing. If you do write a case study, make sure it is linked from this web page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies We are also looking to see a presentation or two like this at the FOSS4G conference this year. This could potentially be done by a couple of people talking about more than one case. (Presentations are due in one week, on 8 June.) http://2009.foss4g.org John Callahan wrote: To follow up re: status of ArcIMS I just checked the ESRI site, clicked on Products, Server GIS and ArcIMS is nowhere to be found. As well, if you select Training and search for courses, you will find exactly zero instructor-led courses for ArcIMS. (ArcIMS is also listed under Other Products in the Training section.)So, as far as I'm concerned, ArcIMS is dead and everything goes through ArcGIS Server with ESRI. - John Bill Thoen wrote: Thanks for the help folks, especially to John Callahan. That was the best description of the problem with the ESRI solution that I've seen to date. What they offer may be good or not --I don't have the experience to argue that point-- but they are even more expensive that I had imagined. I'm very impressed with ESRI's marketing -- if they can sell this, they could sell snow to Santa Claus! Regards, - Bill Thoen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers andESRI ArcIMS
Hey julia, Have you considered whether surplused hardware from within your organization could be used for some of this? It may not suffice for a windows server, and i did not see if you already have linux boxes. Linux is a great platform for GIS for both desktops and servers. This might be a too big of a jump right now but in the future might be a viable option. Cheers Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Julia Harrell juliaharr...@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:06:48 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRIArcIMS Hi Bill In addition to the excellent advice others have already given you, be sure to consider the extra hardware infrastructure that will be necessary to support this much 3D data, on-the-fly geoprocessing, and large numbers of concurrent users. If your client chooses an ESRI solution, it will take a lot more than they probably counted on purchasing to get a system that will perform adequately. ArcGIS Server is a real resource hog. Check out Dave Peter's new Building a GIS book. Not that I am a fan of the AGS software at all, but Dave is a really smart guy and he's put a huge amount of work into designing and fine tuning his Capacity Planning Tool, which is now available. One used to have to go take the ESRI System Design Class in order to get a copy of the tool. I took it a couple years ago from Dave, and can attest to his thoroughness in building the CPT. You can download updated versions of the CPT from the website now. http://gis.esri.com/esripress/display/index.cfm?fuseaction=displaywebsiteID=141moduleID=42 The CPT is pretty complex and does take some training to use properly, so unless you're going to take the system design class, you probably ought to get the book. It would be great if, one day, a similar tool was available for Mapserver/Geoserver/PostGIS systems (hint, hint listserv experts). Unfortunately, I'm just not knowledgeable enough about the inner guts of the OpenGIS softwares yet to be able to convert all the formulas in Dave's spreadsheet to something more appropriate for an OpenGIS system. I was a little surprised to see just how *much* server hardware and network bandwidth it would *really* take to implement a usable ESRI server-based GIS system for my organization, which has offices all over the state and crappy bandwidth in a lot of the more remote places, not to mention the uncountable anonymous public users. Right now we've got AGS running on a single server, and it is dog slow and needs a lot of babying. When I told my IT overlords that I'd need at least 2 more load balanced GIS processing servers and a separate production GIS database server to speed things up to an acceptable level, well, they just laughed at me. Mapserver, PostGIS and Geoserver all run OK, but not blazingly fast on a single, older shared GIS server for me. AGS gets the other, newer GIS server all to itself - and is still a complete pig. Sure, the OpenGIS software would be a lot faster if they each had their own dedicated box, but in this budget climate, extra funding for more hardware is just not possible... Hope this helps, Julia Harrell ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
