Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-21 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Markus Neteler ha scritto: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Ari Jolma [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second thing would be to have a free OSGeo map symbol set, which the map description file would refer to and the software use when creating the map.

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-15 Thread Sampson, David
GDAL has feature style specification: http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_feature_style.html It has recently gained some new interest. Well, GDAL is close to the FOSS4G community so why not start with this and see where we can go? I think OSGEO even has some capable expertise somewhere in the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-15 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Sampson, David wrote: GDAL has feature style specification: http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_feature_style.html It has recently gained some new interest. Well, GDAL is close to the FOSS4G community so why not start with this and see where we can go? I think OSGEO even has some capable

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-15 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:53:19PM +0300, Ari Jolma wrote: Frank Warmerdam kirjoitti: In my opinion we would be better off starting with a widely accepted standard like SLD as a basis of a feature styling standard I'm right now looking at SVG. It is a full graphics description language,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-15 Thread Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)
One addition to what Chris points out, to complicate things :-), SVG vector symbols can also be used inside an SLD document (for a Mark). To be even more precise, we are really talking about the Symbology Encoding (SE) spec here. SLD as of version 1.1 only deals with the integration of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Jachym Cepicky wrote: www.openstreetmap.org The site isn't working for me. While trying to retrieve the URL: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ The following error was encountered: * Read Error The system returned: (104) Connection reset by peer An error condition occurred while reading

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Bruno Lowagie ha scritto: On the left, you have a menu. With this menu you can CHANGE the language of the street names. They are in English by default, but you can change them into French or Dutch. You also have menu options to visualize where to find hotels, museums, etc... This is only a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Paolo Cavallini wrote: All this does not show off in evince, however. Evince is as they promote it simply a document viewer. It's not a full blown PDF viewer (well, maybe it is for most users, but for me as an avid PDF user it isn't). Evince doesn't support all the features that are explained

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Wolf Bergenheim
On 14.04.2008 10:31, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Bruno Lowagie ha scritto: On the left, you have a menu. With this menu you can CHANGE the language of the street names. They are in English by default, but you can change them into French or Dutch. You also have menu options to visualize where to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Bruno Lowagie ha scritto: Evince is as they promote it simply a document viewer. It's not a full blown PDF viewer (well, maybe it is for most users, but for me as an avid PDF user it isn't). Evince doesn't support all the features that are explained in the PDF Reference manual. OCG was

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Paolo Cavallini wrote: So the question is: is there a free (as speech) and Open Source full blown PDF viewer? I think OSGeo is about open source software. I'm a F/OSS developer, so I'm going to use my standard answer: What's keeping you from adding OCG support to Evince? *LOL* My own library

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Ari Jolma
Brent Fraser kirjoitti: Bruno, Have a go with my favorite Canadian topographic map (NTS:082H04, Waterton Lakes ): Shapefiles: http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/canvec/50k_shp/082/h/canvec_082h04_shp.zip Thanks for the pointer, that's a nice dataset. Opening these 39 layers makes me ask

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Brent Fraser
Message - From: Ari Jolma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library Brent Fraser kirjoitti: Bruno, Have a go with my favorite Canadian topographic map (NTS

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Sampson, David
Thanks for the pointer, that's a nice dataset. Opening these 39 layers makes me ask why there's no style information? Pardon my ignorance on digital cartography, but is it because of standards or something else? How do Arc* tools do it? Think of three separate boxes. One is

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Sampson, David
Hey folks, Lots of good discussion going on around this proposed library. From the sounds of it there are many different camps of thinking on this subject which is great. Of course there are many approaches that can be used. Perhaps we might want to talk a little more about the high end user

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Markus Neteler
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Ari Jolma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second thing would be to have a free OSGeo map symbol set, which the map description file would refer to and the software use when creating the map. Do I make any sense? Absolutely. I have created a wiki page for this,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Ari Jolma
Brent Fraser kirjoitti: Ari, Traditionally, there has been no widely adopted vendor/system-independent format for specifying style information. Hopefully now that there is an organization (the OGC) addressing open standards for geographic data (including styling: SLD) there will be more

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Brent Fraser
ESRI seems to have .mxd files, which is their map definition file. It's a binary format and probably not documented. Then they have ArcXML (AXL) which serves the same purpose () as Mapserver mapfiles. BTW, mapfile format is a result of a lot of thought and practical experience. I believe

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Jason Birch
Ari Jomla wrote: GDAL has feature style specification: http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_feature_style.html Hey, that's pretty cool. Almost JSON or WKT-like. MapGuide has a similar XML-based stylization schema: http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MapGuideRfc14 Jason

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-14 Thread Jody Garnett
Actually the origional point was valid; SLD is pretty darn WMS specific. That is why we got them to split it into two; SLD for the WMS concepts of layers and so on; and SE for the really good part (FeatureTypeStyle and friends). For more fun and games drop by the osgeo standards email list

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Ari Jolma
Markus Neteler kirjoitti: Dear OSGeo, I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library to share concepts, source code and regression tests: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Cartographic_Library I proposed a year ago to develop a geospatial graphics library based on Cairo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:18:48AM +0300, Ari Jolma wrote: I'm still very much interested in this. Cairo would provide a single API to render to an image buffer, on PDF and others. It has good support for rendering text with various fonts and there are high-level language APIs. Currently

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Markus Neteler
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:18:48AM +0300, Ari Jolma wrote: I'm still very much interested in this. Cairo would provide a single API to render to an image buffer, on PDF and others. It has good support for

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Dave Patton
Ari Jolma wrote: Markus Neteler kirjoitti: Dear OSGeo, I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library 3) a mechanism to allow plugins that add legends etc. on the map 3) is rather straight-forward Actually, dealing with the legend, or the contents of the entire map

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Dave Patton wrote: Actually, dealing with the legend, or the contents of the entire map collar, is non-trivial, however, a library that can render the content within a map's neat line has all the tools necessary to be able to render the map's collar. The difference may be that there would need

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
On 13-Apr-08, at 9:23 AM, Bruno Lowagie wrote: If you make the map in PDF, you could provide the legend as a floating annotation that can be moved around by the user. If you are using OCG, you also have the Optional Content panel that can be used as a legend and that can be used to make certain

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: For me the question of PDF is not limited by number of pages, or options that PDF offers, but whether or not it is an efficient format for sharing cartographic information - for which, so far, I'd say it fails miserably. How many times have I went to a municipal

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-13 Thread Jachym Cepicky
www.openstreetmap.org j Bruno Lowagie píše v Po 14. 04. 2008 v 07:26 +0200: Bruno Lowagie wrote: As soon as I have the time, I'll make you some examples. My main problem is that I haven't been on a GIS project since 1997. Can somebody provide me with some (completely free!) sample data:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-08 Thread Arnulf Christl
Frank Warmerdam wrote: Markus Neteler wrote: Dear OSGeo, I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library to share concepts, source code and regression tests: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Cartographic_Library GRASS, QGIS and others are in the need of own map printing

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-08 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
I've tried to group some of discussion into various components that I think are being discussed all at once: 8.1 Style Layout Configuration Standards 8.2 Graphical Style Layout Editor 8.3 Graphical Map Composition Editor 8.4 Rendering Engine 8.5 Libraries I'm personally less interested in

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-08 Thread Rushforth, Peter
Hi, This is an interesting discussion! In the XML world, the answer to graphics rendering is SVG + XSL-FO, generated by XSLT scripts according to styling rules. XSL-FO is then rendered via a formatting objects processor, like Apache FOP. I'm of the opinion that a pipeline like: GML +/- (any

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-08 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Discussions Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library Hi, This is an interesting discussion! In the XML world, the answer to graphics rendering is SVG + XSL-FO, generated by XSLT scripts according to styling rules. XSL-FO is then rendered via a formatting objects

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-08 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Hi all, among the OS GIS we are trying Map Layouts especially for Geoscience 1. using OpenJUMP where in tools are present for rotating Geological structural symbols. We have even printed to judge the accuracy of scale. 2. Shape file to SVG is a convenient option to color the final output in

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-07 Thread Jeroen Ticheler
Dear Markus, I think this is a VERY good idea!! There's definitely a need for something like this that would help to get uniform output from a number of applications using the same markup. Ciao, Jeroen On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: Dear OSGeo, I would like to launch

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-07 Thread Brent Fraser
Markus, Excellent! Here are some Use Cases to get the creative juices flowing: Use Cases: -- I. Interactive Browsing (e.g. web mapping) 1. Good-looking web maps (more control of grid/graticule labeling) II. Ad-hoc Authoring (one-time GIS style layout using GUI) 1. Good-looking

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-07 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
On 7-Apr-08, at 1:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library to share concepts, source code and regression tests: Thanks Markus - you beat me to it! :) Having grown up learning ArcPlot, I long for the ability to compose maps and output

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-07 Thread Paulo Marcondes
2008/4/7, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: GUI-based map design tools are the bane of productivity in many offices I've been in Spot on! -- Paulo Marcondes = PU1/PU2PIX -22.915 -42.224 = GG86jc ___ Discuss mailing list

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

2008-04-07 Thread Gavin Fleming
Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library On 7-Apr-08, at 1:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library to share concepts, source code and regression tests: Thanks Markus - you beat me to it! :) Having grown up