RE: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Landon Blake]

Thanks for that Link Michael.

It will be useful.

Landon

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More from the Canadian perspective -  the GeoConnections program policy group 
has produced a "Best Practices Guide" for licensing of geospatial data which 
might help to inform the debate:
http://www.geoconnections.org/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide_to_Best_Practices_v12_finale_e.pdf

It provides a good overview of the background issues and proposes 3 types of 
licences to standardize on: unrestricted-use with licence acknowledgement 
(click-through), an "end-user" licence and a distributor licence.  

Michael Adair
GeoConnections Secretariat / Secrétariat de GéoConnexions 
615 Booth St, 6th Floor / 615 rue Booth, 6e étage 
Ottawa, ON, K1A 0E9 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Phone / Téléphone: (613) 947-1342
Fax / Télécopieur: (613) 947-2410 
www.geoconnections.org / www.geoconnexions.org 




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> available geodata
> 
> Jason Birch wrote:
> > I'm sure that most of you have seen this, but these two free data 
> > resources (provincial and federal Canadian governements) are both 
> > employing a form of copyleft:
> 
> > Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.
> 
> Given the interest, maybe the 'OSGeo people' who are already 
> involved could organize a BOF session, and also do some 
> presentations. If there are 'local' resources such as 
> Canadian municipal/provincial/federal managers(or perhaps 
> even better, people from their legal departments) who could 
> attend, then perhaps they could also participate in the 
> BOF/presentations. Also, maybe there are lawyers who are 
> local(e.g. Victoria or BC) any who have some interest or 
> expertise who could attend - even if their perspective is 
> based on Canadian law, it might still help illuminate the discussions.
> 
> --
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> 
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RE: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Adair, Mike]

More from the Canadian perspective -  the GeoConnections program policy group 
has produced a "Best Practices Guide" for licensing of geospatial data which 
might help to inform the debate:
http://www.geoconnections.org/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide_to_Best_Practices_v12_finale_e.pdf

It provides a good overview of the background issues and proposes 3 types of 
licences to standardize on: unrestricted-use with licence acknowledgement 
(click-through), an "end-user" licence and a distributor licence.  

Michael Adair
GeoConnections Secretariat / Secrétariat de GéoConnexions 
615 Booth St, 6th Floor / 615 rue Booth, 6e étage 
Ottawa, ON, K1A 0E9 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Phone / Téléphone: (613) 947-1342
Fax / Télécopieur: (613) 947-2410 
www.geoconnections.org / www.geoconnexions.org 




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Patton
> Sent: April 1, 2007 2:05 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely 
> available geodata
> 
> Jason Birch wrote:
> > I'm sure that most of you have seen this, but these two free data 
> > resources (provincial and federal Canadian governements) are both 
> > employing a form of copyleft:
> 
> > Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.
> 
> Given the interest, maybe the 'OSGeo people' who are already 
> involved could organize a BOF session, and also do some 
> presentations. If there are 'local' resources such as 
> Canadian municipal/provincial/federal managers(or perhaps 
> even better, people from their legal departments) who could 
> attend, then perhaps they could also participate in the 
> BOF/presentations. Also, maybe there are lawyers who are 
> local(e.g. Victoria or BC) any who have some interest or 
> expertise who could attend - even if their perspective is 
> based on Canadian law, it might still help illuminate the discussions.
> 
> --
> Dave Patton
> 
> Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project 
> http://www.confluence.org/
> 
> Personal website - Maps, GPS, etc.
> http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/
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Re: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Dave Patton]

Jason Birch wrote:

I'm sure that most of you have seen this, but these two free data
resources (provincial and federal Canadian governements) are both
employing a form of copyleft:



Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.


Given the interest, maybe the 'OSGeo people' who are already
involved could organize a BOF session, and also do some
presentations. If there are 'local' resources such as
Canadian municipal/provincial/federal managers(or perhaps
even better, people from their legal departments) who
could attend, then perhaps they could also participate
in the BOF/presentations. Also, maybe there are lawyers
who are local(e.g. Victoria or BC) any who have some
interest or expertise who could attend - even if their
perspective is based on Canadian law, it might still
help illuminate the discussions.

--
Dave Patton

Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project
http://www.confluence.org/

Personal website - Maps, GPS, etc.
http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/
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Re: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Richard Greenwood]

On 3/30/07, Jason Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.  They have a 
click-through, but it's not asserting any rights, just disclaiming liability.  
Their GIS manager explained that they are essentially placing the data into 
public domain:


I like the Kamloops language and may barrow a bit of it (assuming it's
not copyrighted ). Below is a link to some language I wrote, and
that has been out there for about 10 years. I am not suggesting that
it is exemplary because I'm sure not a lawyer, but it has a unique
clause requiring reciprocal data sharing by users. The county for
which I wrote the statement requires surveyors and engineers to
provide digital files (AutoCad, etc.) for new subdivisions and other
developments.

  http://www2.tetonwyo.org/gis/download/default.asp

Rich

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RE: [Geodata] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Promoting freely available geodata

[Jason Birch]

Chris wrote:
> The very quick story is that they don't believe copyright
> can be applied to any geospatial data.  Thus creative
> commons licenses don't work, since they depend on
> copyright.  So people providing data have two options -
> public domain or make a contract that completely restricts it.

I'm sure that most of you have seen this, but these two free data resources 
(provincial and federal Canadian governements) are both employing a form of 
copyleft:

https://web2.gov.mb.ca/mli/app/register/app/index.php 
 

http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/licence.jsp 
 

They are asserting copyright and other rights, but are also requiring the user 
to "accept" a click-through contract to use the data.  In this way they're 
covering all bases I guess.

Early in my career I put in my fair share of time digitizing, and it's not an 
especially creative process.  More like painting a house than painting Mona 
Lisa.  It's a lot of work, and hard to do correctly, but you're operating 
within a fairly fixed set of rules.  I have difficulty accepting the copyright 
arguments.

Kamloops (Canadian municipality) takes an interesting approach.  They have a 
click-through, but it's not asserting any rights, just disclaiming liability.  
Their GIS manager explained that they are essentially placing the data into 
public domain:

http://webserver.kamloops.ca/imf/sites/DataDownload/disclaimer.html 
 

We've been looking at ways of doing this at my place of employment. I prefer 
the Kamloops example, but have a feeling that we'll probably end up with 
something like the Manitoba version.

Jason

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