Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2012 06:50 PM, Stefano Costa wrote: Il 24/07/2012 19:30, Ravi Kumar ha scritto: But now I feel this reduces the chances of voting to a worthy member competing for the board. At the same time it might be rude not voting to any other if he feels that he might reduce the chances of (his) the chosen one. Hope the present charter will react to this. Why not something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method as used by the Debian project? Incidentally, this could be used for other voting purposes, too. Ciao, steko Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... Cheers, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss - -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAP780ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b1rWQCfeK6/aYTF3f0GkVc0cDKhVDRU P0UAn1aFXkj+19kV5Iv+ycqU0PHEJKAe =7+9K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
On 12-07-25 10:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... I was just about to respond, as usual Arnulf you beat me to it :) Even though the IRC logs clearly show that I was in support of that change in 2010 at the time, I in fact now agree with Ravi, Venka, Mori-san (wow such strong international voices, we must listen to them I feel) - if voters want to show their strong support for a person by giving them all of their votes, then might as well let them. As a current nominee, the Board has my backing to change this now. PS. Come on community, let's see those other nominations! -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
On 12-07-25 9:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... I am with Arnulf on this: let's stick with what we have and revisit in time before the next election. The current election schedule was proposed on June 14 [1] and discussed/edited for about a week until it was finally approved on June 21 [2], so there was time for members to comment if they wanted to (and some did if you look in the archives). I don't care one way or the other personally for the voting, but I do know that it's not possile to make everyone happy and I'm sure that for every charter member requesting a change we can find one that would find it inappropriate to change the rules in the middle of an election. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-June/009714.html [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-June/009745.html -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
+1 I like the old way better too, but Daniel it right: the comment period is past. -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:06 AM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting On 12-07-25 9:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... I am with Arnulf on this: let's stick with what we have and revisit in time before the next election. The current election schedule was proposed on June 14 [1] and discussed/edited for about a week until it was finally approved on June 21 [2], so there was time for members to comment if they wanted to (and some did if you look in the archives). I don't care one way or the other personally for the voting, but I do know that it's not possile to make everyone happy and I'm sure that for every charter member requesting a change we can find one that would find it inappropriate to change the rules in the middle of an election. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-June/009714.html [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-June/009745.html -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:20:58 -0300 Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: On 12-07-25 10:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... I was just about to respond, as usual Arnulf you beat me to it :) Even though the IRC logs clearly show that I was in support of that change in 2010 at the time, I in fact now agree with Ravi, Venka, Mori-san (wow such strong international voices, we must listen to them I feel) - if voters want to show their strong support for a person by giving them all of their votes, then might as well let them. I'd also prefer Schulze method over the current one - sorry for being silent during election schedule. I am in favour to postpone changements to next election, unless most voters prefer to change it for the current one. As a current nominee, the Board has my backing to change this now. PS. Come on community, let's see those other nominations! pps. welcome back Jeff :) Best! Anne -- http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Aghisla signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
On 25 July 2012 15:05, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote: On 12-07-25 9:08 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... I am with Arnulf on this: let's stick with what we have and revisit in time before the next election. Thoroughly +1 Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:40 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I support this proposal. We are already doing this for the Charter Membership election [0]. +1 Uniform election process for all posts is needed. -- H.S.Rai [0] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Membership_Process#Voting ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
On 07/25/2012 04:08 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2012 06:50 PM, Stefano Costa wrote: Il 24/07/2012 19:30, Ravi Kumar ha scritto: But now I feel this reduces the chances of voting to a worthy member competing for the board. At the same time it might be rude not voting to any other if he feels that he might reduce the chances of (his) the chosen one. Hope the present charter will react to this. Why not something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method as used by the Debian project? Incidentally, this could be used for other voting purposes, too. Ciao, steko Thanks for the link steko. For this election I suggest we stick with what we have though, probably a little late to introduce this. But I will add the whole elections topic to the next board meeting so that we don't wake up late for the next elections again... Cheers, Arnulf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss - -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAP780ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b1rWQCfeK6/aYTF3f0GkVc0cDKhVDRU P0UAn1aFXkj+19kV5Iv+ycqU0PHEJKAe =7+9K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss . Hi, +1 on Stefano's suggestion for this voting algorithm. Common and best practices from other strong open source communities are a very valuable input. I also agree with Arnulf that we need to change this for the next election. Regards, Angelos -- Angelos Tzotsos Remote Sensing Laboratory National Technical University of Athens http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
Hi, I also agree with Arnulf that we need to change this for the next election. I also think that changing rules so close before the election period is not appropriate (imagine how people would call a governmenent that would do that before an election !) There are pros and cons in every election system, and that should be decided with some time to weigh them properly if a new one is proposed. Regards, Angelos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
I voted for a motion (2009) that limits a charter members vote to a Board nominee only once (not more that 1 even if voted more than once). I was in the board on that day (IRC) when a motion was proposed. Remember that some were reluctant to change the existing pattern where in a charter member can vote as many times as the number of Board member slots. Then I felt that OK I will go with the tide and voted for the motion. But now I feel this reduces the chances of voting to a worthy member competing for the board. At the same time it might be rude not voting to any other if he feels that he might reduce the chances of (his) the chosen one. Hope the present charter will react to this. Ravi Kumar From: Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us To: bo...@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting On 07/24/2012 02:47 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote: Can you please point me to what it says on the web. Venka, I am referring to the Elections page [1] which is a verbatim copy of last year's, so does not really help at all. Let's do some web archaeology (*): The elections process page gives more insight, actually it was a change edited by Frank explicitly disallowing weighed voting, see here: [2] The change was a regular agenda item on the 2010-01-07 [3] Board meeting and has been approved by the board. Everything open and correct. It was brought in as an amendment of wording by Paul Ramsey [4], Jeff McKenna and Tyler and supported by Christopher Schmidt. The corresponding explanation can be found on the IRC log, search for 08:03:33 at: [5]. Since the Charter members are voting, I thing a consensus could be sought among the voters rather than the board. You can add an item to the next board agenda including an explanation why you suggest a change back. We have discussed direct Charter Member votes before and it is still simply not practical, we will not get anywhere. As CRO I am having the closest experience with Charter Member responsiveness you can imagine. It is hard enough to get the board attend regular meetings and cast votes, anything more than that wont work. Best regards, Arnulf (*) This is one great thing about the Web and how we run OSGeo - it is really, really transparent. You might have to dig a bit, but it is all there. [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2012#Nominate_new_Board_Members_-_2012-07-23_-_2012-08-01 [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Proposed_Board_Election_Procedureaction=historysubmitdiff=44123oldid=44122 [3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2010-01-07 [4] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2009-10-08 [5] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2009-10-08.log -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us ___ Board mailing list bo...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 24/07/2012 19:30, Ravi Kumar ha scritto: But now I feel this reduces the chances of voting to a worthy member competing for the board. At the same time it might be rude not voting to any other if he feels that he might reduce the chances of (his) the chosen one. Hope the present charter will react to this. Why not something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method as used by the Debian project? Incidentally, this could be used for other voting purposes, too. Ciao, steko -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQDuB+AAoJEDBz7sDeHMxY4lgP/3NAK/MOfaKcpTed25Obtxd1 7uCiw4qJIaVILy9pOcDeFCFRC56rt7C95GnkiLy1FZLmCYPOrPaSjJ3XDQW6yxgF 4WKPlMb1SIr/syesF2EnMHUQedBFYf6yOInF230fLGA4MaOLRr7anHNEglRkO6ix UXU8kIdKwkDbIT503J7Pos2KRM/I6+pAr2zP9qsq/94aIO+gYkKsHxqbH3yk69lU EuBtqNfq1qdUN3IijuqmwMqX8knoqi+WABAgahHkYQgS3h4ck4P5I6b9nXSiGsVf 4muS5F/RZgnA1FncJHdw52QsWgzqyOFDJXUlmezRrmc+1lDHIMl8QIuLvT0TeJ5A YQROeC9wkX1CPBJt3fxlgQYuoQZ/y8+0C4aXRxA84mdj5z4l62HGfi6u6+KzQxvU c4gFpBkNN7GpjeCRkCgUdJEW+NtFojyGaKO6LEJvVAcLklPy8z4hahv4+yWmDcT4 SfFWiByUkeX8lTrfSDpd5UiPaYf/Cjixcs9YQeV41mT10i9JMvHy6D8KTwUlODR+ MJezvS8e+V3byrJsFUkgJvK46JuAuoKO9hzjItB6W5EzyZ2r9VKeTQ2VqEnDVTAE duxrRkL3piEzbvT2W6wq6tPQcHjJWcloLkD3RlEOhXBytlc8bxjMUCvd3lMOk06I dY4OlT4/FwphS35Tj5TZ =FGDp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting
I support this proposal. We are already doing this for the Charter Membership election [0]. [0] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Membership_Process#Voting On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Stefano Costa st...@iosa.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 24/07/2012 19:30, Ravi Kumar ha scritto: But now I feel this reduces the chances of voting to a worthy member competing for the board. At the same time it might be rude not voting to any other if he feels that he might reduce the chances of (his) the chosen one. Hope the present charter will react to this. Why not something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method as used by the Debian project? Incidentally, this could be used for other voting purposes, too. Ciao, steko -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQDuB+AAoJEDBz7sDeHMxY4lgP/3NAK/MOfaKcpTed25Obtxd1 7uCiw4qJIaVILy9pOcDeFCFRC56rt7C95GnkiLy1FZLmCYPOrPaSjJ3XDQW6yxgF 4WKPlMb1SIr/syesF2EnMHUQedBFYf6yOInF230fLGA4MaOLRr7anHNEglRkO6ix UXU8kIdKwkDbIT503J7Pos2KRM/I6+pAr2zP9qsq/94aIO+gYkKsHxqbH3yk69lU EuBtqNfq1qdUN3IijuqmwMqX8knoqi+WABAgahHkYQgS3h4ck4P5I6b9nXSiGsVf 4muS5F/RZgnA1FncJHdw52QsWgzqyOFDJXUlmezRrmc+1lDHIMl8QIuLvT0TeJ5A YQROeC9wkX1CPBJt3fxlgQYuoQZ/y8+0C4aXRxA84mdj5z4l62HGfi6u6+KzQxvU c4gFpBkNN7GpjeCRkCgUdJEW+NtFojyGaKO6LEJvVAcLklPy8z4hahv4+yWmDcT4 SfFWiByUkeX8lTrfSDpd5UiPaYf/Cjixcs9YQeV41mT10i9JMvHy6D8KTwUlODR+ MJezvS8e+V3byrJsFUkgJvK46JuAuoKO9hzjItB6W5EzyZ2r9VKeTQ2VqEnDVTAE duxrRkL3piEzbvT2W6wq6tPQcHjJWcloLkD3RlEOhXBytlc8bxjMUCvd3lMOk06I dY4OlT4/FwphS35Tj5TZ =FGDp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
