Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Hi, I was thinking the same about UbuntuGIS, count me in. Jachym P.S. Thank you all for this positive feedback in the discussion Dne 25.9.2013 15:54, Daniel Morissette napsal(a): FYI I talked with Alan yesterday about setting up a PSC for UbuntuGIS to increase this project's bus number. Let's see what OSGeo4W does, and UbuntuGIS will likely adopt a similar approach. I agree with those who wrote that we should aim to share as much as possible between the various distros, for instance we should aim to reuse/share the getting started docs produced by OSGeo-Live. That being said I am not convinced that a single PSC overseeing all binary distros could be very efficient. OSGeo4W, UbuntuGIS, OSGeo-Live, etc, all have some commonalities, but also some big differences in the end product due to the nature of the platform that they target. Separate PSCs/teams focused on each platform seem more natural to me, even if some devs end up participating on multiple teams, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong of course. Daniel On 13-09-25 9:43 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ***Jo Cook* Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platformhttp://www.isharemaps.com/ * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
FYI I talked with Alan yesterday about setting up a PSC for UbuntuGIS to increase this project's bus number. Let's see what OSGeo4W does, and UbuntuGIS will likely adopt a similar approach. I agree with those who wrote that we should aim to share as much as possible between the various distros, for instance we should aim to reuse/share the getting started docs produced by OSGeo-Live. That being said I am not convinced that a single PSC overseeing all binary distros could be very efficient. OSGeo4W, UbuntuGIS, OSGeo-Live, etc, all have some commonalities, but also some big differences in the end product due to the nature of the platform that they target. Separate PSCs/teams focused on each platform seem more natural to me, even if some devs end up participating on multiple teams, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong of course. Daniel On 13-09-25 9:43 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road,
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Hi, On Wed, 25. Sep 2013 at 06:43:21 -0700, Frank Warmerdam wrote: I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. Thanks. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Probably, I just subscribed here. So I missed the initial discussion (although meanwhile read up in the archive). On Wed, 25. Sep 2013 at 09:54:11 -0400, Daniel Morissette wrote: That being said I am not convinced that a single PSC overseeing all binary distros could be very efficient. OSGeo4W, UbuntuGIS, OSGeo-Live, etc, all have some commonalities, but also some big differences in the end product due to the nature of the platform that they target. Separate PSCs/teams focused on each platform seem more natural to me, even if some devs end up participating on multiple teams, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong of course. I also expect separate projects to work better - packaging is probably more about the differences of platforms than their commonalities. But as I'm doing the debian (and in turn ubuntugis) and the OSGeo4W packaging of QGIS, I'm probably a bad example for that point. I also believe coordination could become a problem, if we try to get everything under one umbrella. Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS PSC member (RM) IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Frank, The RFC http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc looks pretty good, thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right direction to follow. I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions, there might be some common aspects, though. Best regards, Tamas 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jo Cook Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 7930 524 155 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Tamas, I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W). Once we have a PSC, we need to discuss direction and then nail a plan down and agree to it. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, The RFC http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc looks pretty good, thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right direction to follow. I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions, there might be some common aspects, though. Best regards, Tamas 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com Folks, I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for OSGeo4W. I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion there. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages between different packaging efforts. Best regards, Frank On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no mysql etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a windows 8 VM to test on at last. I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some work to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which files I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on things outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to issues in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little pet project- so I'm not letting anyone else down! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion! I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's always better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows for each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to oversee that and go through incubation. Jo On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html) There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by extensively modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w folder). This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization software. I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't be shared. Thanks, Alex
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
Hi, On Wed, 25. Sep 2013 at 15:36:17 -0700, Frank Warmerdam wrote: I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W). We already do that for QGIS - the NSIS standalone/double-click installer is created from OSGeo4W packages. So for me that already works quite well and I'm not really tempted to throw it all overboard and start from scratch. Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS PSC member (RM) IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 24/09/2013 02:08, Angelos Tzotsos ha scritto: I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Hi all. Incubation is not an issue. The problem, IMHO, is to find a good and productive governance model. Ideas? All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlJBM48ACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6h1wCfe52QTao6SbOl8NHI7Z49psD6 4cMAnR/5kqK/rqReWSbqErGuEbmcFt2h =/NX2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos gcpp.kal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos I'd like to add that I think both projects could be working together very closely. For me the major value in OSGeoLive are the project overviews and quickstarts. I''ve pointed them out to many windows users interested in open source GIS to get an overview of what is possible with open source gis,and I'm actually basing a training on them as well. My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the great documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without needing to be admin or having to install different programs. My experience of building packages on windows is scanty, but if more people support this idea I'm definitely willing to stand up and do part of the work, if only because I'll need training material for windows. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 22/09/2013 10:41, Daniel Morissette ha scritto: Personally I'd treat OSGeo4W as a software project, with a PSC, committers, etc. We should do the same with OSGeo-Live actually, take it out of the Marketing committee and treat it as a sofware project which is what it si really is. Then projects (OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live) can apply for incubation when they are resdy, etc. Hi Daniel, I see two possibilities here: * osgeo4w is an official foundation project, and as such it does not need to apply for incubation (it would be circular reasoning); in this case the PSC should be appointed by the foundation, or * it is an independent project, thus following the usual procedure; in this case, better not to use the osgeo4w name and logo, and let the devs self organize. Thoughts? All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlJAWYEACgkQ/NedwLUzIr5mowCfR7mK5Pc4ilRIiDFcNeVhoXg6 P1AAnjXOOrS223GxtOajjoxdARUD0h1M =qzGS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
On 13-09-23 11:08 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi Daniel, I see two possibilities here: * osgeo4w is an official foundation project, and as such it does not need to apply for incubation (it would be circular reasoning); in this case the PSC should be appointed by the foundation, or * it is an independent project, thus following the usual procedure; in this case, better not to use the osgeo4w name and logo, and let the devs self organize. Thoughts? Hi Paolo, Even the founding projects of OSGeo (MapServer, GRASS, MapGuide, etc.) did go through incubation, so I think OSGeo4W should go through the same path. Since it is already handled by people who know the OSGeo way it will simply be faster and mostly a matter of running it agains the checklist. If its incubation can be completed in a few weeks then that's just better. Daniel -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
On 09/24/2013 02:57 AM, Daniel Morissette wrote: On 13-09-23 11:08 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi Daniel, I see two possibilities here: * osgeo4w is an official foundation project, and as such it does not need to apply for incubation (it would be circular reasoning); in this case the PSC should be appointed by the foundation, or * it is an independent project, thus following the usual procedure; in this case, better not to use the osgeo4w name and logo, and let the devs self organize. Thoughts? Hi Paolo, Even the founding projects of OSGeo (MapServer, GRASS, MapGuide, etc.) did go through incubation, so I think OSGeo4W should go through the same path. Since it is already handled by people who know the OSGeo way it will simply be faster and mostly a matter of running it agains the checklist. If its incubation can be completed in a few weeks then that's just better. Daniel Hi Daniel, I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few weeks incubation process. Best, Angelos -- Angelos Tzotsos Remote Sensing Laboratory National Technical University of Athens http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
On 13-09-22 3:44 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi all. I agree with Tamas: we first have an issue with governance; once this is solved, we can deal with tech issues. Anyone a suggestion to move forward? To me, the first candidates that come to mind are Frank, Tamas, and Juergen: anyone else? Board, could this be a special OSGeo committee? Thanks. Personally I'd treat OSGeo4W as a software project, with a PSC, committers, etc. We should do the same with OSGeo-Live actually, take it out of the Marketing committee and treat it as a sofware project which is what it si really is. Then projects (OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live) can apply for incubation when they are resdy, etc. -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss