Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Local-chapters] Legal entities for Local Chapters

2015-03-22 Thread Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl
The same in the Netherlands; when organizing local events with more than 100 
participants it's getting unpleasant to arrange the finances with your own 
personal bank account.

we had some discussion about with legal entity type to use: association (with 
members; in The Netherlands vereniging) or foundation (without members, in 
the Netherlands stichting). Both have pro's and con's; an association has 
members, which make the bond with the community a bit tighter. On the other 
hand, it also required a bit more organisation, such as a yearly member 
assembly. That's why we choose the simple form (foundation) in the end. But of 
course, this may vary due to different laws in different countries.

Take into account that creating a formal legal entity probably will cost you 
some money (just once).

 

greetings from the Netherlands (although actually from Austria),

 

 

Gert-Jan

chairman of the dutch local chapter Stichting OSGeo.nl

 

 

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[mailto:local-chapters-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Victor Ferreira
Verzonden: zondag 22 maart 2015 14:02
Aan: Jachym Cepicky
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Onderwerp: Re: [Local-chapters] [OSGeo-Discuss] Legal entities for Local 
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In Portugal we felt the need to create one, for one thing, to be able to handle 
payments and receipts for events we organize.

It also gives us some credibility as a group when talking to companies and 
government (when we ask for sponsorships for instance).

Victor

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Jachym Cepicky secret...@osgeo.org wrote:

Just noting:

in Czech ve formed formal legal entity, when we've found out, that having beer 
together is not enough. It has been recognized by local organisations, 
goverment and copanies..

 

You form legal entity when you think, it makes sense

 

and it does not have to consume much time as you might think

 

J

 

st 18. 3. 2015 v 22:56 odesílatel Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com 
napsal:

 


On 18/03/2015 8:01 pm, Arnulf Christl wrote:
 Just a few notes from experience: Running a legal entity to organize
 things actually eats up a good chunk of volunteer resources which could
 be better used to actually promote Open Source, organize conferences and
 so on.
+1 I'd argue that local chapters should do their best to avoid creating
a legal entity where possible.

Ask:
* What do you gain by being a legal entity?
* Can you make use of another legal entity instead (eg the OSGeo
Foundation)?

Acknowledge the extra effort required to:
1. Finance a legal entity,
2. Collect finances to feed the legal entity,
3. Expend effort filling all the official requirements of a legal entity.

Of note, the OSGeo Australian/New Zealand chapter are not a legal
entity, and have successfully run the international FOSS4G conference
(with official requirements backed by the OSGeo Foundation)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Local-chapters] Legal entities for Local Chapters

2015-03-19 Thread Jachym Cepicky
Just noting:

in Czech ve formed formal legal entity, when we've found out, that having
beer together is not enough. It has been recognized by local
organisations, goverment and copanies..

You form legal entity when you think, it makes sense

and it does not have to consume much time as you might think

J

st 18. 3. 2015 v 22:56 odesílatel Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com
napsal:


 On 18/03/2015 8:01 pm, Arnulf Christl wrote:
  Just a few notes from experience: Running a legal entity to organize
  things actually eats up a good chunk of volunteer resources which could
  be better used to actually promote Open Source, organize conferences and
  so on.
 +1 I'd argue that local chapters should do their best to avoid creating
 a legal entity where possible.

 Ask:
 * What do you gain by being a legal entity?
 * Can you make use of another legal entity instead (eg the OSGeo
 Foundation)?

 Acknowledge the extra effort required to:
 1. Finance a legal entity,
 2. Collect finances to feed the legal entity,
 3. Expend effort filling all the official requirements of a legal entity.

 Of note, the OSGeo Australian/New Zealand chapter are not a legal
 entity, and have successfully run the international FOSS4G conference
 (with official requirements backed by the OSGeo Foundation)

 --
 Cameron Shorter,
 Software and Data Solutions Manager
 LISAsoft
 Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

 P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Local-chapters] Legal entities for Local Chapters

2015-03-19 Thread Jachym Cepicky
Ups, wrong address, sorry

J

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 10:57 María Arias de Reyna delawen+os...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Jachym Cepicky secret...@osgeo.org
 wrote:

 You form legal entity when you think, it makes sense

 and it does not have to consume much time as you might think


 I think time depends on legality on each country and how many workarounds
 you have to do to when whatever the chapter is trying to do needs a legal
 form.

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