Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-24 Thread Erik Uzureau
If there were a north american event happenning at the same time as the
bolsena one, I would like to attend.

Erik



On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10-Oct-08, at 6:23 AM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

  Thanks for that Lorenzo and Arnulf! Indeed, mark your calendars because
 I've booked the week of 15 – 21st June 2009 in Bolsena


 Judging by the great feedback of Jeroen's Bolsena event last year, I think
 it must be a great formula to replicate elsewhere as well.  (Aside from the
 FOSS4G focused sprint).

 One person to lead it, pick a spot, set a price, set a minimum attendees
 and invite the developer world. Cancel if there isn't enough interest.

 Maybe unrealistic, but having a non-European event at the same time as
 Bolsena event might provide some level of real-time communication between
 dispersed teams who couldn't all make it to the same location.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-24 Thread Lorenzo Becchi

+1
IRC would make the bridge.
don't go too far west!
;-)



Erik Uzureau wrote:
If there were a north american event happenning at the same time as 
the bolsena one, I would like to attend.


Erik



On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) 
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On 10-Oct-08, at 6:23 AM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

Thanks for that Lorenzo and Arnulf! Indeed, mark your
calendars because I've booked the week of 15 – 21st June 2009
in Bolsena


Judging by the great feedback of Jeroen's Bolsena event last year,
I think it must be a great formula to replicate elsewhere as well.
 (Aside from the FOSS4G focused sprint).

One person to lead it, pick a spot, set a price, set a minimum
attendees and invite the developer world. Cancel if there isn't
enough interest.

Maybe unrealistic, but having a non-European event at the same
time as Bolsena event might provide some level of real-time
communication between dispersed teams who couldn't all make it to
the same location.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-16 Thread Erik Uzureau
I would like to second Jody's comments here regarding the timing of the code
sprint. Having only attended two of these conferences, I can't speak with
any sort of real authority, but from what I've seen, delegates tend to be
pretty flogged by the end of the week, be that from thinking or from
drinking.

Having the code sprints scheduled at the *beginning* of the conference seems
to me would offer several benefits:

1) people are at their freshest -- ok maybe the 19 hours in 47C weren't
exactly a sponge bath... but you are essentially feeling on vacation, you
haven't yet had to wake up and have your act together by 9am *sharp*, you
haven't yet been out drinking till 5am four nights in a row (generally),
jetlag might be working to your advantage (or you could at least find a few
friends to code with you at 4am), and but most of all, you've been excited
about this trip for months and now it's finally happening. game on.

2) time can be used as a last minute sprint to get a release out the door --
or at least an rc. This is always a nice thing to be able to announce to
people *during* the conference, ie And if you want to try this out
just download the new 5.7 release! versus download the latest 5.6 release
and then apply this patch at www.example.org/hacks/great_new_feature.patch

3) The energy of having the developers all together huddling could make for
super-valuable last-minute additions to presentations or workshops

4) Any and all unfinished business started during the code sprint can be
followed up during coffee breaks and post-prandial brandy sessions in the
lobby

5) Last day of conference is really last day of conference, and you can
remorselessly go out and celebrate that last night


Furthermore, I'd say bumping it up to at least two or three days is
*definitely* worth looking into. Especially when you consider that you do
get some oddball/outlier types showing up to these things, it's hard to get
a plan set up, get newbies directed, *and* manage to actually write some
code... that's all pretty hard to do in just one short day -- especially if
there are time limitations like we experienced this year.

I would say that especially in the case of paying steep airfares to attend,
companies/individuals would probably be more than interested in spending a
couple more days huddled together banging on work.

anyways, just some thoughts.
erik




On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Jody Garnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I would go for 3 days - it worked out well for the GeoTools community.
 Three days is enough time to effect change; but not so much time you get
 bogged down.

 I did find timing of a sprint right after FOSS4G to be a bit of a trouble
 for some (in addition to being tired ) reports this year indicate that
 sprints were hampered by the occasional hangover (no doubt due to wish
 others a good trip home the night before).

 Jody


 Paul Ramsey wrote:

 Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they?

 2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers
 going for an extended weekend sprint).
 2008 brings you another day.
 2009 is still thinking about it.

 How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days?

 I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them
 from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that
 OSGeo pays for directly.  That way the conference organizers don't
 feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as
 long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of
 promoting the development of the software.

 Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for
 OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the
 issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands
 of the software promoting team (whomever they may be).

 Paul
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Frank Warmerdam ha scritto:

 The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire
 financial onus on the attendies.  For some that is pretty tough.  I'd
 prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship
 funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing
 their time and labor.

I think this is a very sensible suggestion. Can we work out a budget and
an expected outcome for this? This way it may be more attractive for
potential sponsors. I know the plone tribe organizes regularly such
events, and they have no major problems getting sponsors.
Of course, Italy is a very hospitable place in all seasons, and we can
find additional cheap and good places for this.
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-10 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Frank Warmerdam ha scritto:


The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire
financial onus on the attendies.  For some that is pretty tough.  I'd
prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship
funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing
their time and labor.


I think this is a very sensible suggestion. Can we work out a budget and
an expected outcome for this? This way it may be more attractive for
potential sponsors. I know the plone tribe organizes regularly such
events, and they have no major problems getting sponsors.
Of course, Italy is a very hospitable place in all seasons, and we can
find additional cheap and good places for this.


Paolo,

Note, I was suggesting drawing on the existing project sponsorship program
rather than a sprint specific funding and sponsorship effort.  In the case
of GDAL it is already operating a project sponsorship program and has
funds available that it's PSC could choose to use in this fashion.

Currently there are no other OSGeo projects officially participating in the
project sponsorship program so my idea is somewhat hypothetical.  I do think
there are several other projects that would be good candidates for the
project sponsorship - for instance MapServer.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-10 Thread Jeroen Ticheler
Thanks for that Lorenzo and Arnulf! Indeed, mark your calendars  
because I've booked the week of 15 – 21st June 2009 in Bolsena.


I would be happy to work with people to try to get sponsorship lined  
up for the event this year. I think last year's event was extremely  
economical from the point of view of participating (ignoring travel  
cost!). The total cost was well under 500 Euro for the full 7 days  
with full boarding.


It will be the same next year, except that for reasons of  
simplification the price will be 500 Euro to participate (again, full  
boarding and a dinner in a special restaurant :-) ). The single  
payment is instead of splitting things up in detail (if you're  
participating 3 or 7 days, eating all nights, or just 2, etc...). We  
have space for about 30 people in total, but more precise details will  
follow on the WIKI later. Start getting organized :-) First come,  
first served.


Suggestions and help to find sponsors are very welcome.

Ciao,
Jeroen

On Oct 9, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:


On Sat, October 4, 2008 01:19, Lorenzo Becchi wrote:

best Sprint I've ever been:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/European_GIS_Code_Sprint


ciao lorenzo

ps: thanks Jeroen!


+1

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Hacking_event

And better even, it will take place again.


Paul Ramsey wrote:


Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they?


2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and  
uDiggers

going for an extended weekend sprint). 2008 brings you another day.
2009 is still thinking about it.


How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days?


I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn  
them
from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that  
OSGeo
pays for directly.  That way the conference organizers don't feel  
like

they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as long as
people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of  
promoting

the development of the software.

Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for
OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the
issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the  
hands of

the software promoting team (whomever they may be).

Paul
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Paul Ramsey
I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?  I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that*
:)

Paul
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Dave Patton

On 2008/10/09 10:57 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?


A chalet? Back east? Isn't that the
definition of Frank's place? ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Paul Ramsey wrote:

I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
Gatineau hills?  I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that*
:)


Paul,

Well, the idea is attractive to me.  If I had a better internet connection
I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a
week!

The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire
financial onus on the attendies.  For some that is pretty tough.  I'd
prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship
funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing
their time and labor.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-09 Thread Steve Lime
Either way it comes out of the attendees since sponsorship is generally 
earmarked
for those same people. Now if we could get an organization to sponsor the event 
that wouldn't otherwise get involved...

Either way I'm in.

Steve 

 On 10/9/2008 at 2:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank
Warmerdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Paul Ramsey wrote:
 I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in
 North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be
 productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C
 tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though
 biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the
 Gatineau hills?  I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that*
 :)
 
 Paul,
 
 Well, the idea is attractive to me.  If I had a better internet connection
 I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a
 week!
 
 The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire
 financial onus on the attendies.  For some that is pretty tough.  I'd
 prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship
 funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing
 their time and labor.
 
 Best regards,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-07 Thread Jody Garnett
I would go for 3 days - it worked out well for the GeoTools community. 
Three days is enough time to effect change; but not so much time you get 
bogged down.


I did find timing of a sprint right after FOSS4G to be a bit of a 
trouble for some (in addition to being tired ) reports this year 
indicate that sprints were hampered by the occasional hangover (no doubt 
due to wish others a good trip home the night before).


Jody

Paul Ramsey wrote:

Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they?

2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers
going for an extended weekend sprint).
2008 brings you another day.
2009 is still thinking about it.

How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days?

I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them
from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that
OSGeo pays for directly.  That way the conference organizers don't
feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as
long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of
promoting the development of the software.

Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for
OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the
issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands
of the software promoting team (whomever they may be).

Paul
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-03 Thread Lorenzo Becchi

best Sprint I've ever been:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/European_GIS_Code_Sprint

ciao
lorenzo

ps: thanks Jeroen!




Paul Ramsey wrote:

Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they?

2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers
going for an extended weekend sprint).
2008 brings you another day.
2009 is still thinking about it.

How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days?

I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them
from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that
OSGeo pays for directly.  That way the conference organizers don't
feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as
long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of
promoting the development of the software.

Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for
OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the
issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands
of the software promoting team (whomever they may be).

Paul
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

2008-10-02 Thread Paul Ramsey
Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they?

2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers
going for an extended weekend sprint).
2008 brings you another day.
2009 is still thinking about it.

How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days?

I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them
from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that
OSGeo pays for directly.  That way the conference organizers don't
feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as
long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of
promoting the development of the software.

Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for
OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the
issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands
of the software promoting team (whomever they may be).

Paul
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