Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
I had a look in illustrator today; and only the first page is provided (rather then the second page where the content goes). There is a background image for both pages in the same directory so I can start with something; but a lot of what we need is present only in the two pdfs. Jody On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like we have adobe illustrator and inkscape copies of the flyer. That is a starting point I could work from; the only difficulty would be font use. And thanks for the reminder about ODF being a standard :-) Jody On 07/06/2010, at 9:23 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: You are going to have to ask Tyler for more detail. For my part I have seen them handed out; raised a couple issues with respect to Font use, made an open office template for slides and workbooks myself for foss4g and that is all I know. Jody On 07/06/2010, at 5:48 AM, Jason Birch wrote: Jody, Is that under http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/flyer/ or is there another source for it? Jason On 5 June 2010 19:40, Jody Garnett wrote: You should find that an official marketing template is already available as part of the work the graphics designed has done. My trouble is that I have not seen it in open office yet. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
Sounds like we have adobe illustrator and inkscape copies of the flyer. That is a starting point I could work from; the only difficulty would be font use. And thanks for the reminder about ODF being a standard :-) Jody On 07/06/2010, at 9:23 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: You are going to have to ask Tyler for more detail. For my part I have seen them handed out; raised a couple issues with respect to Font use, made an open office template for slides and workbooks myself for foss4g and that is all I know. Jody On 07/06/2010, at 5:48 AM, Jason Birch wrote: Jody, Is that under http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/flyer/ or is there another source for it? Jason On 5 June 2010 19:40, Jody Garnett wrote: You should find that an official marketing template is already available as part of the work the graphics designed has done. My trouble is that I have not seen it in open office yet. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
Hei, what I miss: - a line on supported platforms - not sure if applicable to all: supported customization/scipting languages (if not too geeky) and, I like it to be a OpenOffice doc, though Adobe Illustrator is fine for me too. stefan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
On 07/06/10 05:29, Stefan Steiniger wrote: what I miss: - a line on supported platforms - not sure if applicable to all: supported customization/scipting languages (if not too geeky) Good suggestions Stefan, I've added to the source Open Office doc here: https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/descriptions/postgis_overview.odt -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
i think we need more art to the design template, this is more techical guy marketing with OSGeo logo we need more green to the templte F ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
The ODF adoption/marketing committee of OASIS would be ever so annoyed about your referencing ODF as the OpenOffice.org format as the whole point is that OpenDocument is not a memory dump of an application converted to some vague approximation of XML, but a genuine open standard which OpenOffice.org have made its default file format. Among the supporting evidence is that is the default format of KOffice as well as of OpenOffice and its derivatives. Oh and its being a published standard and legal status... - Original Message - You are going to have to ask Tyler for more detail. For my part I have seen them handed out; raised a couple issues with respect to Font use, made an open office template for slides and workbooks myself for foss4g and that is all I know. -- Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit http://iso26300.info for more information. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
The graphics team assures me I have no understanding of typography either (nor anything else to do with graphics), but that might be more about my insistence that they try tools that are not part of Adobe CS*. Particularly after I suggested the alternatives might be good enough for them to do their jobs! I'd be licence-aware (because you want to embed the font into the PDF and have it available for others to use as needed) and stick to one typeface - for a nice modern Sans look I'd consider URW Gothic L (distributed under the GPLv2) or more traditional Sans Serif look go with Liberation Sans (Arial-ish) as kindly provided by Redhat. Both are available with all good Linux distributions and available for free download for users of operating systems that do not have these fonts in their repositories (or even gasp don't have repositories...). Cheers Chris - Original Message - Thanks for the feedback Jason: On 05/06/10 05:50, Jason Birch wrote: Couple comments based entirely off the PDF: - The typography needs some work. Mix of serif, sans serif, italics, bold is a bit confused. Typography is not my strong point. Does anyone have suggestions as to what should be used? Even better would be to edit the styles at: https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/descriptions/postgis_overview.odt - Would be nice to see some header/footer graphics or at least colour. - I really, really, really, really don't like the inclusion of the commercial support line. Unless it points at the OSGeo service provider registry. One of the standard questions people as at FOSS4G stands at conferences is Who do I call if my Open Source application breaks? Hence I think it is important to link to commercial support. Many projects have a jump page listing companies which provide support for their project. Would that be suitable? I agree that using the OSGeo support service is a good idea: http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile Any chance we could create sexier URL for the support page, which is easier to remember. Eg: http://support.osgeo.org And http://support.osgeo.org/postgis (for project specific search) Note, the OSGeo LiveDVD also contains project which are not listed on the OSGeo Support service, so they will need to link elsewhere. Jason On 4 June 2010 04:34, Cameron Shorter wrote: To support this, I've created the attached pdf template. Please review and provide feedback before we set the template in stone, and ask all projects to create material against this template. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit http://iso26300.info for more information. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cameron, this should be tied directly to the project overviews / info sheets [1] that are already available on the OSGeo website and should be maintained by the projcets themselves. Tyler has provided really nicely layouted templates to do just this. To me it does not make sense to make projects deliver several different version that need to be maintained and updated separately. It is hard enough to nudge, encourage and coerce folks to maintain one such artefact. We would need to check what to do with projects that have so far not shown any interest / do not plan to get involved more closely with OSGeo (yet). But I guess that a more neutral layout should be easy to glean from what is there already. Jason, some time back we envisaged a project template with a free space in the lower right corner. At conferences this can be used for some neutral OSGeo info or business cards for folks appearing at an OSGeo booth. Companies providing support can use these templates to add their logo / stamp / business card in the lower right corner. Sponsorship prospectus; We (so far Tyler, Jeff and me) try improve our sponsorship prospectus and we came up with a related idea to provide these flyer / brochure / info sheets as readily printed out marketing material as an asset for OSGeo sponsors. They can use shiny original OSGeo material for marketing and add their brand to it with very little effort. This is especially interesting for smaller companies who in general do not care / spend little time on creating marketing material. This would be a real net added value for them and would mean little extra effort for OSGeo. Would that be a type of commercial hint / support that goes better with your concerns? Best regards, Arnulf. [1] as examples: http://www.osgeo.org/mapserver http://www.osgeo.org/grass and so on Cameron Shorter wrote: For the OSGeo Live DVD that we are developing for FOSS4G 2010, we will be asking all applications to provide a punchy, one page overview of their project. This overview will conveniently double as Project Flier to hand out at conference stands, and also be a page in a book of OSGeo projects. The aim of these overview pages is to have them be consistent, sexy, and sell OSGeo in a positive, professional manner. To support this, I've created the attached pdf template. Please review and provide feedback before we set the template in stone, and ask all projects to create material against this template. Template source: https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/descriptions/postgis_overview.odt Marketing artefact definition: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Artefacts#Application_Overview ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss - -- Arnulf Christl Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkwKQawACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b1XAQCfVbw5Ko7Y8fE1crf6k71fVedx 8u8An2pvAL7n2z7mOCYDVn6Xh2KPJ0M7 =wayB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
Arnulf, I agree that we should only have one marketing template, which will provide content for a pdf/paper flier, a HTML description for the OSGeo LiveDVD, and an Open Office Text (odt) format, which can be cutpasted into various other uses, like System Integrators' marketing material. The postgis template I put together is based upon the prior marketing template. I'd like to think it to be an enhancement, or version 2 of the template. In particular, I've moved from the Open Office Presenter format to Open Office Text format as it is harder to the key useful formats for users (HTML, ODT and Word). I also expect that we will get marketing material for every project that is on the LiveDVD, which includes most of the OSGeo projects, as these projects have already produced similar material for prior LiveDVD releases. Jason, Note that the LiveDVD packages more than just OSGeo incubating and graduated projects. As OSGeo support is only for OSGeo support projects, that means there are some projects on the LiveDVD which are not included in OSGeo Support. On 06/06/10 04:12, Jason Birch wrote: Arnulf, Yes, I like both of those options. I think my initial reaction was because it implied that a project was only supported by a single commercial entity, which isn't healthy. But I can definitely see the need to meet the use cases you've outlined. It makes a lot of sense to encourage/enable local consultants to modify the marketing material for their own use (hopefully without destroying the brand: OSGeoJason). We need to support our commercial efforts wherever possible. Providing a box at the bottom with some boilerplate for the SPD (for other commercial support options?) but making it clear that business cards should be attached on top of it is a great way of supporting the folks who are working the booths and developing local support for (and businesses around) OSGeo. Cameron, If there are OSGeo projects that are not represented if the provider directory, this needs to be fixed, probably with a Trac ticket. I like the idea of a support.osgeo.org that allows you to choose the product you need support for, and are then provided with links to website, documentation, and a list of commercial support providers which could be filtered by location. IMO, this would be better as a separate app than trying to hack drupal. Any takers? :) I think using the existing templates makes a lot of sense. My main recommendation for typography (and I'm as far from knowing what I'm talking about as anyone) would be to pick a single face. As a non-designer I try to keep the visual hierarchy as simple as possible, using size and weight and staying away from colour, style, and white space for defining importance. These can all used effectively, but are easier to mess up too. Jason On 2010-06-05, Seven (aka Arnulf)se...@arnulf.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cameron, this should be tied directly to the project overviews / info sheets [1] that are already available on the OSGeo website and should be maintained by the projcets themselves. Tyler has provided really nicely layouted templates to do just this. To me it does not make sense to make projects deliver several different version that need to be maintained and updated separately. It is hard enough to nudge, encourage and coerce folks to maintain one such artefact. We would need to check what to do with projects that have so far not shown any interest / do not plan to get involved more closely with OSGeo (yet). But I guess that a more neutral layout should be easy to glean from what is there already. Jason, some time back we envisaged a project template with a free space in the lower right corner. At conferences this can be used for some neutral OSGeo info or business cards for folks appearing at an OSGeo booth. Companies providing support can use these templates to add their logo / stamp / business card in the lower right corner. Sponsorship prospectus; We (so far Tyler, Jeff and me) try improve our sponsorship prospectus and we came up with a related idea to provide these flyer / brochure / info sheets as readily printed out marketing material as an asset for OSGeo sponsors. They can use shiny original OSGeo material for marketing and add their brand to it with very little effort. This is especially interesting for smaller companies who in general do not care / spend little time on creating marketing material. This would be a real net added value for them and would mean little extra effort for OSGeo. Would that be a type of commercial hint / support that goes better with your concerns? Best regards, Arnulf. [1] as examples: http://www.osgeo.org/mapserver http://www.osgeo.org/grass and so on Cameron Shorter wrote: For the OSGeo Live DVD that we are developing for FOSS4G 2010, we will be asking all applications to provide a punchy, one page overview of their project. This overview will conveniently double as
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
Hi Cameron: You should find that an official marketing template is already available as part of the work the graphics designed has done. My trouble is that I have not seen it in open office yet. Jody On 04/06/2010, at 9:34 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: For the OSGeo Live DVD that we are developing for FOSS4G 2010, we will be asking all applications to provide a punchy, one page overview of their project. This overview will conveniently double as Project Flier to hand out at conference stands, and also be a page in a book of OSGeo projects. The aim of these overview pages is to have them be consistent, sexy, and sell OSGeo in a positive, professional manner. To support this, I've created the attached pdf template. Please review and provide feedback before we set the template in stone, and ask all projects to create material against this template. Template source: https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/descriptions/postgis_overview.odt Marketing artefact definition: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Artefacts#Application_Overview -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com postgis_overview.pdf___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
Couple comments based entirely off the PDF: - The typography needs some work. Mix of serif, sans serif, italics, bold is a bit confused. - Would be nice to see some header/footer graphics or at least colour. - I really, really, really, really don't like the inclusion of the commercial support line. Unless it points at the OSGeo service provider registry. Jason On 4 June 2010 04:34, Cameron Shorter wrote: To support this, I've created the attached pdf template. Please review and provide feedback before we set the template in stone, and ask all projects to create material against this template. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comment on OSGeo Project Marketing template before we set it in stone
Thanks for the feedback Jason: On 05/06/10 05:50, Jason Birch wrote: Couple comments based entirely off the PDF: - The typography needs some work. Mix of serif, sans serif, italics, bold is a bit confused. Typography is not my strong point. Does anyone have suggestions as to what should be used? Even better would be to edit the styles at: https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/descriptions/postgis_overview.odt - Would be nice to see some header/footer graphics or at least colour. - I really, really, really, really don't like the inclusion of the commercial support line. Unless it points at the OSGeo service provider registry. One of the standard questions people as at FOSS4G stands at conferences is Who do I call if my Open Source application breaks? Hence I think it is important to link to commercial support. Many projects have a jump page listing companies which provide support for their project. Would that be suitable? I agree that using the OSGeo support service is a good idea: http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile Any chance we could create sexier URL for the support page, which is easier to remember. Eg: http://support.osgeo.org And http://support.osgeo.org/postgis (for project specific search) Note, the OSGeo LiveDVD also contains project which are not listed on the OSGeo Support service, so they will need to link elsewhere. Jason On 4 June 2010 04:34, Cameron Shorter wrote: To support this, I've created the attached pdf template. Please review and provide feedback before we set the template in stone, and ask all projects to create material against this template. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Director Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
