Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea, All, this is an excellent example of how the OSGeo trademark is being protected by the community. At the same time constructive discussion on the trademark policy is helpful to evolve how we deal with these questions. It is good to see growing interest in using the graphics. And please by all means please feel free to use the standard OSGeo logo to link back to OSGeo. As a side note to the broader community: Whenever you feel that you come close to using the trademarked version of the OSGeo logo and colors or want to explicitly use it in a context you are unsure of, feel free to let the marketing mailing list know so that we can discuss this up front. Best regards, Arnulf andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss - -- Arnulf Christl President OSGeo http://www.osgeo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkygth4ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b1l7QCfeTgQS+8BKFO8hhwj3c4KaGly N3wAoIL2VJ3hi25RVqZ6uVzvNdG2/XJc =qhvI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
Hi Arnulf, this is an excellent example of how the OSGeo trademark is being protected by the community. At the same time constructive discussion on the trademark policy is helpful to evolve how we deal with these questions. It is good to see growing interest in using the graphics. I agree with you here. I have been a bit to easy (== not thinking) on using the logo just thinking it would be under whatsoever free license but I was apparently wrong. I appreciated not having been attacked, but suggested in good manners. That is a sign of a healty community in my opinion. That said, I am still sad, that we can't use the logo just to widespread the word of OsGeo, even if I understand :) And please by all means please feel free to use the standard OSGeo logo to link back to OSGeo. As a side note to the broader community: Whenever you feel that you come close to using the trademarked version of the OSGeo logo and colors or want to explicitly use it in a context you are unsure of, feel free to let the marketing mailing list know so that we can discuss this up front. Yeah, that is a good advice. To be honest we released geopaparazzi only now because of time issues, but I created it as part of my PhD thesis and presented it already in Sydney. Since then noone complains. I am wondering about two things: 1) is that because it is a paid application? 2) will I get lawsuited if I have the osgeo compass in my PhD thesis (available in the net) and in a couple of presentations I gave in the last year at conferences (all available on slideshare)? It would be bad to take them back, but if I have to... Regards, Andrea Best regards, Arnulf andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss - -- Arnulf Christl President OSGeo http://www.osgeo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkygth4ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b1l7QCfeTgQS+8BKFO8hhwj3c4KaGly N3wAoIL2VJ3hi25RVqZ6uVzvNdG2/XJc =qhvI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 27/09/10 17:33, andrea antonello escribió: ... And please by all means please feel free to use the standard OSGeo logo to link back to OSGeo. As a side note to the broader community: Whenever you feel that you come close to using the trademarked version of the OSGeo logo and colors or want to explicitly use it in a context you are unsure of, feel free to let the marketing mailing list know so that we can discuss this up front. Yeah, that is a good advice. To be honest we released geopaparazzi only now because of time issues, but I created it as part of my PhD thesis and presented it already in Sydney. Since then noone complains. I am wondering about two things: 1) is that because it is a paid application? 2) will I get lawsuited if I have the osgeo compass in my PhD thesis (available in the net) and in a couple of presentations I gave in the last year at conferences (all available on slideshare)? It would be bad to take them back, but if I have to... I can't imagine no one in OSGeo law-suiting you because you've given credit to the Foundation on your projects, even doing it in a wrong-for-lawyers way. That's said with ith all my respects to USA laws... (/me is thinking on being able to attend FOSS4G next year in Denver) BTW I've just bought your app so I can enjoy the OSGeo logo on it for a while :P Cheers - -- Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía http://es.osgeo.org http://jorgesanz.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMoMNQAAoJEAOYD75lvHdBkckIAJPQ7oPKfYrX20YmLfl3Zddq H6z3xwABai5/uBFMXkjHU8+SsG1lKpGgioXvANE/zgCot0N2MJ8YYOMjGhqWf893 TZfz2ygChnzAGE6pNuqfi7sj2TMZMq3hqBpXbg98/yMcNGLPvlb1r41wG4phoo0w ssDyoiiH7jAE9MJGOKcP+hi3K2jx+Ps1TeQQWUE4De3Sbr3rctzVcHqjiXSg1V8u vUc5J2RrUwFwEYKDJgyIh+2kH4P4lMt6gZ5UP70tn43vo5C7x7tczXSetdUwnUIv P0LDOXkzI6eUUZdZUIBgI8qMArvenbUuQiMxFI5XXoNDGj5zsIPEZRdOG90aPSU= =z+YR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas js...@osgeo.org wrote: 2) will I get lawsuited if I have the osgeo compass in my PhD thesis (available in the net) and in a couple of presentations I gave in the last year at conferences (all available on slideshare)? It would be bad to take them back, but if I have to... I can't imagine no one in OSGeo law-suiting you because you've given credit to the Foundation on your projects, even doing it in a wrong-for-lawyers way. The problem is not in you getting sued but if say a large closed source GIS company started using the OSGEO logo to promote its inferior product it would be harder for OSGEO to sue them as it had not defended its logo in the past. Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
Funny, it was my impression that with a Thesis, most universities took matters of permission and copyright infringement very seriously ... sure, a similar logo is nothing like that case where a doctoral candidate used a native group's DNA from an unrelated study without permission, but cases like that have no doubt sensitized the system. Ken On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Bob Basques bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: What if they used it to promote a superior product? Sorry, couldn't resist. . . . :c) bobb Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas js...@osgeo.org wrote: 2) will I get lawsuited if I have the osgeo compass in my PhD thesis (available in the net) and in a couple of presentations I gave in the last year at conferences (all available on slideshare)? It would be bad to take them back, but if I have to... I can't imagine no one in OSGeo law-suiting you because you've given credit to the Foundation on your projects, even doing it in a wrong-for-lawyers way. The problem is not in you getting sued but if say a large closed source GIS company started using the OSGEO logo to promote its inferior product it would be harder for OSGEO to sue them as it had not defended its logo in the past. Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
Congrats on your release; glad to see more open players in the mobile space. Jody On 25/09/2010, at 7:45 PM, andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On 09/25/2010 02:45 AM, andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt I look forward to playing around with the app, looks really useful. One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Marketing Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On 09/25/2010 02:45 AM, andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt I look forward to playing around with the app, looks really useful. One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Marketing Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
Hi Alex, One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. if what you say is right, then it is more than just a minor comment, for which I thank for. To be honest I was finding it nice to use it for that purpose and didn't think it would be a copyright problem if, as I did in the about page, it would be mentioned that the compass is the logo of the Osgeo Foundation. To be honest, I am quite sad that I can't use the graphic of the community I am part of, but for sure I will change that for some other graphic ASAP. I apologize for the inconvenience, Andrea Thanks, Alex OSGeo Marketing Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On 09/26/2010 01:25 PM, andrea antonello wrote: Hi Alex, One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. if what you say is right, then it is more than just a minor comment, for which I thank for. To be honest I was finding it nice to use it for that purpose and didn't think it would be a copyright problem if, as I did in the about page, it would be mentioned that the compass is the logo of the Osgeo Foundation. To be honest, I am quite sad that I can't use the graphic of the community I am part of, but for sure I will change that for some other graphic ASAP. I apologize for the inconvenience, Andrea I think it's a trademark issue more than anything else, and in the US a trademark is only good as long as it's actively protected. Trademarks are things that identify an entity in this case the Name or Logo of OSGeo. You are right that in an about page if you want to thank OSGeo use of the logo there would be acceptable or on your website it you want to link to OSGeo it's also ok to use it there since there's no confusing that it's a link or info about OSGeo a different entity than your application. I think there are several members of the community who would be happy to help you come up with another compass that would look good and work well too. Maybe hop on the Graphics mailing list http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/graphics Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
Hi Alex, all, I changed the compass image as requested and replaced also the docs screenshots (oh, good old gimp, I love you). http://code.google.com/p/geopaparazzi/wiki/MainView The Openclipart library is a good source for such things and I found a great one there I think. Just to make things clear a last time, I thought it would be positive (for Osgeo) to make the logo and reference appear as much as possible in applications and websites. Didn't think on trademark issues though. Well anyways, everything is fine now, Ciao Andrea On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/26/2010 01:25 PM, andrea antonello wrote: Hi Alex, One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. if what you say is right, then it is more than just a minor comment, for which I thank for. To be honest I was finding it nice to use it for that purpose and didn't think it would be a copyright problem if, as I did in the about page, it would be mentioned that the compass is the logo of the Osgeo Foundation. To be honest, I am quite sad that I can't use the graphic of the community I am part of, but for sure I will change that for some other graphic ASAP. I apologize for the inconvenience, Andrea I think it's a trademark issue more than anything else, and in the US a trademark is only good as long as it's actively protected. Trademarks are things that identify an entity in this case the Name or Logo of OSGeo. You are right that in an about page if you want to thank OSGeo use of the logo there would be acceptable or on your website it you want to link to OSGeo it's also ok to use it there since there's no confusing that it's a link or info about OSGeo a different entity than your application. I think there are several members of the community who would be happy to help you come up with another compass that would look good and work well too. Maybe hop on the Graphics mailing list http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/graphics Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
After having hit the send button, I decided to make sure whether or not I was missing something, and ran into the screen shots of the former geopaparazzi compass screen (complete with the OSGEO compass), my apologies to Alex. Dan On 09/26/2010 08:59 PM, Dan Putler wrote: I'm more than a bit unclear as to what Alex is alluding to. Is it the logo for the project, which seems to be a hybrid between a compass rose and a transmitting tower (a natural combination given the project), or is it the compass rose within a circle shown in this image of the OSM menu: http://wiki.geopaparazzi.googlecode.com/hg/images/osm_menu1.png If it is the project logo that is the concern, I'm really perplexed. The compass roses shown in the image of the OSM menu screen are closer (but not very close). Yes they are compass roses in a circle, but it is not the same compass rose in a circle as the OSGeo logo (for a starter, it is an eight point, not a four point compass rose). Moreover, graphics of a compass rose within in circle (many used in company logos) are _very_ common (a Google image search on compass rose will reveal this). Moreover, the two most natural logo elements for a geospatial project are the earth and a compass rose. Given that the ESRI logo involves an image of the earth, does this mean that PostGIS needs to remove the earth part of the earth balanced at the end of the elephants trunk (to say nothing of the GDAL/OGR logo)? Moreover, isn't the elephant the logo of the PostgreSQL project and the symbol of the US Republican Party, so shouldn't the PostGIS project's logo also shed the elephant as well? Somehow, I just don't think so. Yes logos and other visual identity media need to be protected, however, the graphics used by the geopaparazzi project just don't fall into that category in my opinion. Dan Hi Alex, One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. if what you say is right, then it is more than just a minor comment, for which I thank for. To be honest I was finding it nice to use it for that purpose and didn't think it would be a copyright problem if, as I did in the about page, it would be mentioned that the compass is the logo of the Osgeo Foundation. To be honest, I am quite sad that I can't use the graphic of the community I am part of, but for sure I will change that for some other graphic ASAP. I apologize for the inconvenience, Andrea Thanks, Alex OSGeo Marketing Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
