Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-11 Thread Dave Patton

Tim Bowden wrote:

I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve the
experience?


First, a bit of background.
--
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

The original idea of the FOSS4G2007 Integration Showcase
was that Sponsors and Exhibitors would cooperate to build
a set of data and services, running on various platforms, that
would show the integration at work. Each Sponsor/Exhibitor
would have 'the Showcase Diagram' in their booth, but with
highlights showing where their products/services/data
fit into the overall Showcase.

Refractions bootstrapped this process by providing a
server, and, after some data was loaded and a PostGIS
database setup, making it available on the Internet.

The original plan was to use data from a variety of
sources, but due to some issues with licensing, it
was decided to go with the OSGeo Public Geospatial
Data Committee's idea and use only publicly available
geodata. Data from some Canadian sources was loaded
onto the Refractions server.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata

There was a plan at one point for the Integration
Showcase data/services to be made available for use
by Workshop/Lab Instructors for use in their classes,
but that was dropped due to performance concerns.

As Tim noted, the Integration Showcase didn't move
much beyond the initial server/data.
--


The future.
==
Justin Deoliveira, of the Open Planning Project, was in charge
of the Integration Showcase, and he loaded the Canadian geodata
onto the Refractions server. During FOSS4G2007 I had a
discussion with Justin and Chris Holmes, about the Integration
Showcase. What came out of that was an idea of 'how to do it
better in the future'. I then had subsequent discussions with
some other people at the conference about this idea. Here is my
interpretation of the general outline of what was discussed.

The showcase consists of data and the products needed to
process that data and make it available in a variety of ways.

All OSGeo projects must contribute to the showcase, and keep
maintaining their portion of the showcase.

The showcase would initially be built using some known set
of data. Preparation before FOSS4G might include adapting
the showcase to use a set of 'local data'. OSGeo local
chapters might also produce sets of 'local data' for
use with the showcase.

The building of 'the showcase' should be done by OSGeo, not
as part of the preparation for a particular conference. There
may be multiple 'versions' of the showcase over time, but
there should be a stable version well in advance of FOSS4G.

Each FOSS4G conference should have a 'track' that consists of
starting with the data and working through the processing
of that data and installation  configuration of all the
showcase software. Because the showcase was already built
before the conference, this 'track' can be setup as a set
of distinct 'modules'. That provides the flexibility for
different students to attend different parts of the 'track',
as well as being able to start each module with a known
working setup.

Workshop/Lab Instructors, Presenters, Sponsors, and Exhibitors
would be encouraged to make use of the showcase's capabilities.

The showcase should be made available in various 'formats'.
That might include having a version always running on the
telascience servers, and having a LiveCD/DVD version
available for download.

A showcase such as this, along with some 'marketing materials',
could be used by OSGeo evangelists in their activities.
==

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-11 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Dave Patton wrote:

All OSGeo projects must contribute to the showcase, and keep
maintaining their portion of the showcase.


Dave,

We try to avoid using the word must too often for projects!


The showcase would initially be built using some known set
of data. Preparation before FOSS4G might include adapting
the showcase to use a set of 'local data'. OSGeo local
chapters might also produce sets of 'local data' for
use with the showcase.

The building of 'the showcase' should be done by OSGeo, not
as part of the preparation for a particular conference. There
may be multiple 'versions' of the showcase over time, but
there should be a stable version well in advance of FOSS4G.


I love the idea of maintaining a suite of services as an integration showcase
on an ongoing basis rather than as just a conference work item.  This connects
to the concept of a demonstration stack that we never really followed up on
either.  Basically to have a bunch of packages installed on a few centrally
managed servers that demonstrate our packages, and also demonstrates how they
integrate.

If we set it up properly it should be practical to delivery a copy of the
demonstration stack to run on servers at the conference to avoid problems
with saturated links to the external network.

One obvious place to set up some of this demonstration stack / integration
showcase would be one or a couple of telascience blades.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-11 Thread Justin Deoliveira
 
 The future.
 ==
 Justin Deoliveira, of the Open Planning Project, was in charge
 of the Integration Showcase, and he loaded the Canadian geodata
 onto the Refractions server. During FOSS4G2007 I had a
 discussion with Justin and Chris Holmes, about the Integration
 Showcase. What came out of that was an idea of 'how to do it
 better in the future'. I then had subsequent discussions with
 some other people at the conference about this idea. Here is my
 interpretation of the general outline of what was discussed.


Part of the problem was that I was not aggressive enough about making
sure people had demos in place. Everyone was so busy (understandably) as
the conference got near that it just fell off. And I am no exception :).
Also as Jody stated the other big issue was hardware availability. Some
interested parties just could not participate because they did not have
a machine to work with on site.

I think to pull this off next time around one will need to put something
a bit more formal in place. Perhaps having people sign up for a
machine to be used for the integration showcase well before hand (like
around the same time they submit workshops). An additional machine is
then rented for them (or perhaps one of the workshop machines is reused).

Having some sort of contract like this in place would be a bit more
binding and would force people to ensure things are set up before hand.
 Especially since a machine has been set aside for them. Organizers
could then treat showcase setup like workshop setup.

My 2c.

-Justin
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-10 Thread Sampson, David
This could also be something a local chapter or local interest group
might be able to provide. It's volunteering I know, but it's a thought
if vendors aren't on board.


Maybe for vendors the real question is how does my participation make
me the most money. Answer that question and they might be more willing
to get on board.

What about a live CD concept. Doesn't solve all problems but it eases
setup. This brings us back to the OSGEO software stack.

Cheers 

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On problem was expecting vendors to supply their own hardware for
something that was a conference theme. If you made several machines
available prior to the conference for the vendors to configure with
their software you may get some traction. Vendors are very busy getting
their own act together; fitting into a conference theme (like showcasing
interoperability) is an extra that is hard to plan for.

For some projects (like MapServer) we did not have a specific vendor or
organization to pester into setting up an example service.

An integration showcase would be a great message for the OSGeo booth
however. Making machine available for community members to set up and
configure would perhaps be a better approach.

Jody

Tim Bowden wrote:
 I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
 Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve 
 the experience?

 Regards,
 Tim Bowden

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-09 Thread Sampson, David
What you are suggesting is similar to the OWS-4 put together by OGC
(http://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows4/index.html)

This approach might even be able to be setup and organized BEFORE the
conference and maybe even have some role playing or mock-ups at the
conference.

Cheers

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I didn't feel the activity was well enough defined. OGC has done a lot
of these types of things, and found that they work best when the
participants have a pressing issue to tackle. In the future, I suggest
that the integration issue is grounded in a real-world problem that is
relevant to some software problem participants are trying to solve for
their users and/or clients.
---
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On Oct 8, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Tim Bowden wrote:

 I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
 Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve 
 the experience?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-09 Thread Jody Garnett
On problem was expecting vendors to supply their own hardware for 
something that was a conference theme. If you made several machines 
available prior to the conference for the vendors to configure with 
their software you may get some traction. Vendors are very busy getting 
their own act together; fitting into a conference theme (like showcasing 
interoperability) is an extra that is hard to plan for.


For some projects (like MapServer) we did not have a specific vendor or 
organization to pester into setting up an example service.


An integration showcase would be a great message for the OSGeo booth 
however. Making machine available for community members to set up and 
configure would perhaps be a better approach.


Jody

Tim Bowden wrote:

I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve the
experience?

Regards,
Tim Bowden

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-09 Thread Mark Leslie
Rajs comment about structure struck me as dead on.  I would expect the 
test bed to be much more engaging if we developed some actual use 
cases.  This would require an early commitment from participants, but 
would help define what we expect of them and give us a list of people we 
can harass to make things happen. This does, of course, make it a whole 
lot more work for everyone involved.

Mark

Cameron Shorter wrote:
I was very excited to hear about the Integration test bed concept and 
hope that any setbacks can be taken as a learning experience and help 
us put some achievable steps in place to make it more successful at 
future events - be they FOSS4G or conferences with an OSGeo presence.


Key take home points for me:
1. There should be a standard dataset that all applications use as 
part of their default demos. I've seen this to a small degree between 
Geoserver, Mapbuilder and Openlayers. There are sure to be others and 
I'm sure we can do a better job.
2. An interoperability testbed is difficult to set up just before a 
conference. So lets do it gradually over a year or so as we build our 
software, open source workshops and presentations.
3. A version dependency tree will greatly ease installation which in 
turn will help open source uptake.


Jody Garnett wrote:
On problem was expecting vendors to supply their own hardware for 
something that was a conference theme. If you made several machines 
available prior to the conference for the vendors to configure with 
their software you may get some traction. Vendors are very busy 
getting their own act together; fitting into a conference theme (like 
showcasing interoperability) is an extra that is hard to plan for.


For some projects (like MapServer) we did not have a specific vendor 
or organization to pester into setting up an example service.


An integration showcase would be a great message for the OSGeo booth 
however. Making machine available for community members to set up and 
configure would perhaps be a better approach.


Jody

Tim Bowden wrote:

I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve the
experience?

Regards,
Tim Bowden

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-08 Thread Tim Bowden
I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve the
experience?

Regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed

2007-10-08 Thread Raj Singh
I didn't feel the activity was well enough defined. OGC has done a  
lot of these types of things, and found that they work best when the  
participants have a pressing issue to tackle. In the future, I  
suggest that the integration issue is grounded in a real-world  
problem that is relevant to some software problem participants are  
trying to solve for their users and/or clients.

---
Raj


On Oct 8, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Tim Bowden wrote:


I believe the integration test bed didn't go quite as well as planned.
Any thoughts as to why, and what could be done next time to improve  
the

experience?


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Arnulf Christl

Our 2ct for the Integration Showcase:

PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run at 
the problem.


We are interested in consuming WMS and WFS services in our application Mapbender. We do not need the Online Resources or FeatureTypes of the services now because we want to add the services during the FOSS4G2007 Integration Showcase. 


Unfortunately the Mapbender workshop W-03 is at the same time that Jeff and 
MapStorer lab and during the whole conference at the OSGeo booth. Potentially 
the outcome of a previous workshop could be this WMS... (dream on).

We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G. 

For example W05:  
Tom Kralidis

Environmennt Canada
Daniel Morissette
MapGears

Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do the same for a WFS-T. 


[W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project

And so on.

The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the Canadian SRS 
so that people can add notes, make appointments in Victoria during the 
conference and so on. At the start of the conference we let the url out of the 
bag.

The integration success is if gvSIG and MapBuilder and uDIG can all write to 
the same WFS. A corresponding map is generated by a MapServer WMS that looks 
into the same database. Anybody at FOSS4G who can consume these WMS and WFS has 
access to these feature types and maps and make appointments and view them and 
send them to others with the tools of her choice.

If everybody simply uses the same data and makes sure that what they do is well documented by EduCom then a life OSGeo SDI with documentation and curriculum will evolve. Some tidying can be done during the Friday Developers Code Sprint. 

Sounds like a cool conference that I am looking very much forward to. 31 days to go. 

Best regards, 
Arnulf


PS:
How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Arnulf,
 
 Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do
 the same for a WFS-T.
 [W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
 Chris Holmes
 The Open Planning Project
 
 And so on.
 
 The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the
 Canadian SRS so that people can add notes, make appointments in Victoria
 during the conference and so on. At the start of the conference we let
 the url out of the bag.
 
I will be throwing up a GeoServer instance on the demo server. I like
the idea of throwing together some live tables that people can edit via
wfs with the various clients and publish via wms. The appointment
scenario is a good one to start with. I will update the wiki with the
connection info.

 
 PS:
 How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
 http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Daniel,

I have a mapserver instance installed on the same server running the
postgis database. I am using it to publish some raster data via WMS at
the moment. Probably use it to serve up some dem data as well.

It is not listed on the site because I was thinking that someone else
would probably be coming along and throw one up.

But we can definitely keep it running in order to participate in the
showcase. A volunteer (more experienced with mapserver then myself :) )
to help setup some nice map files would be welcomed.

-Justin

Daniel Morissette wrote:
 Arnulf Christl wrote:
 Potentially the outcome of a previous workshop could be this WMS...
 (dream on).

 We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is
 actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G.
 For example W05:  Tom Kralidis
 Environmennt Canada
 Daniel Morissette
 MapGears

 
 It's a real shame that MapServer is not represented in the Integration
 Showcase (http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase)
 
 I didn't realize that until just now.
 
 Sorry to break your hopes, but the OGC Workshop (W-05) is not currently
 planning to produce the WMS service based on the showcase data that
 you're dreaming of. I guess we could/should rework it to do that, but I
 don't think I have the time.
 
 My big problem is time... I'd love to see a MapServer WMS in the
 showcase and I really think that we're missing the boat if there is not
 one, but I have already got way too much stuff on my plate and cannot
 undertake that. I mean I could hack together a quick mapfile, but what
 we'd need is a mapfile that makes the data look really good and shows
 the real power of MapServer... and that will take time.
 
 There are hundreds of MapServer users out there who could contribute
 that bit. If there is anyone interested in setting up WMS services based
 on the showcase data then please speak up.
 
 Daniel


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Cameron Shorter
Arnulf, good idea to have a WFS-T we can all connect to. How about we 
publish the URL before the demo so that we can set up and test our 
clients, then reset the data at the start of the conference. (Mike Adair 
is setting up a Mapbuilder client.)


Arnulf Christl wrote:

Our 2ct for the Integration Showcase:

PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run 
at the problem.


We are interested in consuming WMS and WFS services in our application 
Mapbender. We do not need the Online Resources or FeatureTypes of the 
services now because we want to add the services during the FOSS4G2007 
Integration Showcase.
Unfortunately the Mapbender workshop W-03 is at the same time that 
Jeff and MapStorer lab and during the whole conference at the OSGeo 
booth. Potentially the outcome of a previous workshop could be this 
WMS... (dream on).


We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is 
actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G.

For example W05:  Tom Kralidis
Environmennt Canada
Daniel Morissette
MapGears

Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do 
the same for a WFS-T.

[W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project

And so on.

The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the 
Canadian SRS so that people can add notes, make appointments in 
Victoria during the conference and so on. At the start of the 
conference we let the url out of the bag.


The integration success is if gvSIG and MapBuilder and uDIG can all 
write to the same WFS. A corresponding map is generated by a MapServer 
WMS that looks into the same database. Anybody at FOSS4G who can 
consume these WMS and WFS has access to these feature types and maps 
and make appointments and view them and send them to others with the 
tools of her choice.


If everybody simply uses the same data and makes sure that what they 
do is well documented by EduCom then a life OSGeo SDI with 
documentation and curriculum will evolve. Some tidying can be done 
during the Friday Developers Code Sprint.
Sounds like a cool conference that I am looking very much forward to. 
31 days to go.

Best regards, Arnulf

PS:
How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira
I just threw up a GeoServer instance and updated the wiki page.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#GeoServer

Currently it is only publishing a single dataset, an appointments
dataset as Arnulf suggested. Let he brainstorming begin about what kind
of live datasets we want to setup and I can do the GeoServer
configuration accordingly.

-Justin

Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Arnulf, good idea to have a WFS-T we can all connect to. How about we
 publish the URL before the demo so that we can set up and test our
 clients, then reset the data at the start of the conference. (Mike Adair
 is setting up a Mapbuilder client.)
 
 Arnulf Christl wrote:
 Our 2ct for the Integration Showcase:

 PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run
 at the problem.

 We are interested in consuming WMS and WFS services in our application
 Mapbender. We do not need the Online Resources or FeatureTypes of the
 services now because we want to add the services during the FOSS4G2007
 Integration Showcase.
 Unfortunately the Mapbender workshop W-03 is at the same time that
 Jeff and MapStorer lab and during the whole conference at the OSGeo
 booth. Potentially the outcome of a previous workshop could be this
 WMS... (dream on).

 We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is
 actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G.
 For example W05:  Tom Kralidis
 Environmennt Canada
 Daniel Morissette
 MapGears

 Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do
 the same for a WFS-T.
 [W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
 Chris Holmes
 The Open Planning Project

 And so on.

 The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the
 Canadian SRS so that people can add notes, make appointments in
 Victoria during the conference and so on. At the start of the
 conference we let the url out of the bag.

 The integration success is if gvSIG and MapBuilder and uDIG can all
 write to the same WFS. A corresponding map is generated by a MapServer
 WMS that looks into the same database. Anybody at FOSS4G who can
 consume these WMS and WFS has access to these feature types and maps
 and make appointments and view them and send them to others with the
 tools of her choice.

 If everybody simply uses the same data and makes sure that what they
 do is well documented by EduCom then a life OSGeo SDI with
 documentation and curriculum will evolve. Some tidying can be done
 during the Friday Developers Code Sprint.
 Sounds like a cool conference that I am looking very much forward to.
 31 days to go.
 Best regards, Arnulf

 PS:
 How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
 http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira

 A MapServer WMS is probably, just like the database itself, one of the
 backend services that should be hosted on the main server and have its
 URL published as early as possible so that others can build their demos
 against it.
 
 

 But we can definitely keep it running in order to participate in the
 showcase. A volunteer (more experienced with mapserver then myself :) )
 to help setup some nice map files would be welcomed.

 
 Which version of MapServer are you currently running, probably 4.10?
 Would it be an option to also install a recent 5.0 beta with AGG support
 (with some help)?
Yes 4.10. I will grab the latest 5.0 beta and see if i can compile it.
 
 Hopefully we can make that a MapServer community effort and if Paul (who
 just replied saying he'd also be interested) and/or myself setup a
 strawman mapfile others from the community can contribute enhancements
 to it to make the default map output (without SLD) look real good.
 
 
 This is probably becoming off-topic for this list, is there another
 better place where we could continue that discussion with interested
 parties?
Agreed. I will talk to Paul R about possible setting up a mail list for
the integration showcase... if there is not already one.
 
 Daniel


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Jody Garnett
I am going to kick off a general discussion with a story, one that I 
would like to see prevented ...


You arrive at FOSS4G and are really looking forward to showing off your 
new (Web, KML, mashup, gvSig, PostGis, OpenLayer, MapServer, GeoServer, 
GeoNetwork, 3D,  or even DB2 and Oracle). And the question is asked:


Can you show me the ntdb_roads_50 layer?

Why are you being asked this?

Well it is because the fellow in front of you is wanting to see how well 
your software performs, and the last two projects had the same dataset 
(and darn if gvSig was not nearly as fast as ArcView) and he would 
really like to see your project handle the same information.


For more information please bother my friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
visit the following page:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

Remember if you don't download this data, and put it on your laptop 
before the conference, you will just be trying to figure out what this 
stuff is (and how to make your application look good with it) at the 
conference.


Jody
PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run at 
the problem.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Jody Garnett

Bob Basques wrote:

Is this restricted to conference attendees?

Nope.

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?

See the wiki page.

Jody
PS. Join the osgeo data committee if you want to collaborate on this 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this 
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not 
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.


Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of 
the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start 
folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on participation.



bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Is this restricted to conference attendees?

Nope.

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?

See the wiki page.

Jody
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kind of thing outside of the bounds of the conference.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Dave,

It wasn't immediately obvious that that was where the data was.

bobb



Dave Patton wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:


Can you show me the ntdb_roads_50 layer?

Why are you being asked this?

Well it is because the fellow in front of you is wanting to see how 
well your software performs, and the last two projects had the same 
dataset (and darn if gvSig was not nearly as fast as ArcView) and he 
would really like to see your project handle the same information.


For more information please bother my friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and visit the following page:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

Remember if you don't download this data, and put it on your laptop 
before the conference, you will just be trying to figure out what 
this stuff is (and how to make your application look good with it) at 
the conference.


I'll just point out that there is no need to 'bother' Justin,
as anyone can access all of the free public Canadian Geodata
by following the links on the Canadian Geodata wiki page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Bob,

I think what Jody was trying to point you at was this:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#PostGIS_Database_:_Refractions_Research

It is what you say, a single spot of storage for the data which has a
subset of those datasets posted on the Canadian Geodata page.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
 Jody,
 
 Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
 page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
 A lot of reference and catalog description links though.
 
 Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
 exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.
 
 Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of
 the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start
 folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
 participation.
 
 
 bobb
 
 
 
 Jody Garnett wrote:
 Bob Basques wrote:
 Is this restricted to conference attendees?
 Nope.
 Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?
 See the wiki page.

 Jody
 PS. Join the osgeo data committee if you want to collaborate on this
 kind of thing outside of the bounds of the conference.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Justin,

So it's all Database based.

Hmm,  I figured it was going to be all different types of source data.   
This is kinda making it too easy now.  (Really!)


The system I was going to demo has some good pluses as far as easy 
integration of disparate data.  I don't suppose there is a compressed DB 
dump of this data around anywhere?


I'll work through the Database stuff first then and see where it all 
comes out.


Don't have a PostGIS database available at the moment though, will need 
to get that going too.


Thanks

bobb



Justin Deoliveira wrote:

Hi Bob,

I think what Jody was trying to point you at was this:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#PostGIS_Database_:_Refractions_Research

It is what you say, a single spot of storage for the data which has a
subset of those datasets posted on the Canadian Geodata page.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
  

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of
the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start
folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
participation.


bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:


Bob Basques wrote:
  

Is this restricted to conference attendees?


Nope.
  

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?


See the wiki page.

Jody
PS. Join the osgeo data committee if you want to collaborate on this
kind of thing outside of the bounds of the conference.
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