Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Arnulf Christl

Our 2ct for the Integration Showcase:

PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run at 
the problem.


We are interested in consuming WMS and WFS services in our application Mapbender. We do not need the Online Resources or FeatureTypes of the services now because we want to add the services during the FOSS4G2007 Integration Showcase. 


Unfortunately the Mapbender workshop W-03 is at the same time that Jeff and 
MapStorer lab and during the whole conference at the OSGeo booth. Potentially 
the outcome of a previous workshop could be this WMS... (dream on).

We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G. 

For example W05:  
Tom Kralidis

Environmennt Canada
Daniel Morissette
MapGears

Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do the same for a WFS-T. 


[W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project

And so on.

The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the Canadian SRS 
so that people can add notes, make appointments in Victoria during the 
conference and so on. At the start of the conference we let the url out of the 
bag.

The integration success is if gvSIG and MapBuilder and uDIG can all write to 
the same WFS. A corresponding map is generated by a MapServer WMS that looks 
into the same database. Anybody at FOSS4G who can consume these WMS and WFS has 
access to these feature types and maps and make appointments and view them and 
send them to others with the tools of her choice.

If everybody simply uses the same data and makes sure that what they do is well documented by EduCom then a life OSGeo SDI with documentation and curriculum will evolve. Some tidying can be done during the Friday Developers Code Sprint. 

Sounds like a cool conference that I am looking very much forward to. 31 days to go. 

Best regards, 
Arnulf


PS:
How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Arnulf,
 
 Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do
 the same for a WFS-T.
 [W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
 Chris Holmes
 The Open Planning Project
 
 And so on.
 
 The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the
 Canadian SRS so that people can add notes, make appointments in Victoria
 during the conference and so on. At the start of the conference we let
 the url out of the bag.
 
I will be throwing up a GeoServer instance on the demo server. I like
the idea of throwing together some live tables that people can edit via
wfs with the various clients and publish via wms. The appointment
scenario is a good one to start with. I will update the wiki with the
connection info.

 
 PS:
 How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
 http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Daniel,

I have a mapserver instance installed on the same server running the
postgis database. I am using it to publish some raster data via WMS at
the moment. Probably use it to serve up some dem data as well.

It is not listed on the site because I was thinking that someone else
would probably be coming along and throw one up.

But we can definitely keep it running in order to participate in the
showcase. A volunteer (more experienced with mapserver then myself :) )
to help setup some nice map files would be welcomed.

-Justin

Daniel Morissette wrote:
 Arnulf Christl wrote:
 Potentially the outcome of a previous workshop could be this WMS...
 (dream on).

 We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is
 actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G.
 For example W05:  Tom Kralidis
 Environmennt Canada
 Daniel Morissette
 MapGears

 
 It's a real shame that MapServer is not represented in the Integration
 Showcase (http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase)
 
 I didn't realize that until just now.
 
 Sorry to break your hopes, but the OGC Workshop (W-05) is not currently
 planning to produce the WMS service based on the showcase data that
 you're dreaming of. I guess we could/should rework it to do that, but I
 don't think I have the time.
 
 My big problem is time... I'd love to see a MapServer WMS in the
 showcase and I really think that we're missing the boat if there is not
 one, but I have already got way too much stuff on my plate and cannot
 undertake that. I mean I could hack together a quick mapfile, but what
 we'd need is a mapfile that makes the data look really good and shows
 the real power of MapServer... and that will take time.
 
 There are hundreds of MapServer users out there who could contribute
 that bit. If there is anyone interested in setting up WMS services based
 on the showcase data then please speak up.
 
 Daniel


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Cameron Shorter
Arnulf, good idea to have a WFS-T we can all connect to. How about we 
publish the URL before the demo so that we can set up and test our 
clients, then reset the data at the start of the conference. (Mike Adair 
is setting up a Mapbuilder client.)


Arnulf Christl wrote:

Our 2ct for the Integration Showcase:

PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run 
at the problem.


We are interested in consuming WMS and WFS services in our application 
Mapbender. We do not need the Online Resources or FeatureTypes of the 
services now because we want to add the services during the FOSS4G2007 
Integration Showcase.
Unfortunately the Mapbender workshop W-03 is at the same time that 
Jeff and MapStorer lab and during the whole conference at the OSGeo 
booth. Potentially the outcome of a previous workshop could be this 
WMS... (dream on).


We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is 
actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G.

For example W05:  Tom Kralidis
Environmennt Canada
Daniel Morissette
MapGears

Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do 
the same for a WFS-T.

[W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project

And so on.

The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the 
Canadian SRS so that people can add notes, make appointments in 
Victoria during the conference and so on. At the start of the 
conference we let the url out of the bag.


The integration success is if gvSIG and MapBuilder and uDIG can all 
write to the same WFS. A corresponding map is generated by a MapServer 
WMS that looks into the same database. Anybody at FOSS4G who can 
consume these WMS and WFS has access to these feature types and maps 
and make appointments and view them and send them to others with the 
tools of her choice.


If everybody simply uses the same data and makes sure that what they 
do is well documented by EduCom then a life OSGeo SDI with 
documentation and curriculum will evolve. Some tidying can be done 
during the Friday Developers Code Sprint.
Sounds like a cool conference that I am looking very much forward to. 
31 days to go.

Best regards, Arnulf

PS:
How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira
I just threw up a GeoServer instance and updated the wiki page.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#GeoServer

Currently it is only publishing a single dataset, an appointments
dataset as Arnulf suggested. Let he brainstorming begin about what kind
of live datasets we want to setup and I can do the GeoServer
configuration accordingly.

-Justin

Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Arnulf, good idea to have a WFS-T we can all connect to. How about we
 publish the URL before the demo so that we can set up and test our
 clients, then reset the data at the start of the conference. (Mike Adair
 is setting up a Mapbuilder client.)
 
 Arnulf Christl wrote:
 Our 2ct for the Integration Showcase:

 PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run
 at the problem.

 We are interested in consuming WMS and WFS services in our application
 Mapbender. We do not need the Online Resources or FeatureTypes of the
 services now because we want to add the services during the FOSS4G2007
 Integration Showcase.
 Unfortunately the Mapbender workshop W-03 is at the same time that
 Jeff and MapStorer lab and during the whole conference at the OSGeo
 booth. Potentially the outcome of a previous workshop could be this
 WMS... (dream on).

 We share Jody's hope that someone from the MapServer community is
 actually setting up a WMS for or during FOSS4G.
 For example W05:  Tom Kralidis
 Environmennt Canada
 Daniel Morissette
 MapGears

 Additionally we hope that someone from the GeoServer community will do
 the same for a WFS-T.
 [W07] Introduction to Geospatial Collaboration using Geoserver
 Chris Holmes
 The Open Planning Project

 And so on.

 The WhereGroup will contribute a generic GeoServer WFS-T with the
 Canadian SRS so that people can add notes, make appointments in
 Victoria during the conference and so on. At the start of the
 conference we let the url out of the bag.

 The integration success is if gvSIG and MapBuilder and uDIG can all
 write to the same WFS. A corresponding map is generated by a MapServer
 WMS that looks into the same database. Anybody at FOSS4G who can
 consume these WMS and WFS has access to these feature types and maps
 and make appointments and view them and send them to others with the
 tools of her choice.

 If everybody simply uses the same data and makes sure that what they
 do is well documented by EduCom then a life OSGeo SDI with
 documentation and curriculum will evolve. Some tidying can be done
 during the Friday Developers Code Sprint.
 Sounds like a cool conference that I am looking very much forward to.
 31 days to go.
 Best regards, Arnulf

 PS:
 How does the Demonstration Theatre tie into this?
 http://www.foss4g2007.org/exhibition/demotheatre/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-24 Thread Justin Deoliveira

 A MapServer WMS is probably, just like the database itself, one of the
 backend services that should be hosted on the main server and have its
 URL published as early as possible so that others can build their demos
 against it.
 
 

 But we can definitely keep it running in order to participate in the
 showcase. A volunteer (more experienced with mapserver then myself :) )
 to help setup some nice map files would be welcomed.

 
 Which version of MapServer are you currently running, probably 4.10?
 Would it be an option to also install a recent 5.0 beta with AGG support
 (with some help)?
Yes 4.10. I will grab the latest 5.0 beta and see if i can compile it.
 
 Hopefully we can make that a MapServer community effort and if Paul (who
 just replied saying he'd also be interested) and/or myself setup a
 strawman mapfile others from the community can contribute enhancements
 to it to make the default map output (without SLD) look real good.
 
 
 This is probably becoming off-topic for this list, is there another
 better place where we could continue that discussion with interested
 parties?
Agreed. I will talk to Paul R about possible setting up a mail list for
the integration showcase... if there is not already one.
 
 Daniel


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Jody Garnett
I am going to kick off a general discussion with a story, one that I 
would like to see prevented ...


You arrive at FOSS4G and are really looking forward to showing off your 
new (Web, KML, mashup, gvSig, PostGis, OpenLayer, MapServer, GeoServer, 
GeoNetwork, 3D,  or even DB2 and Oracle). And the question is asked:


Can you show me the ntdb_roads_50 layer?

Why are you being asked this?

Well it is because the fellow in front of you is wanting to see how well 
your software performs, and the last two projects had the same dataset 
(and darn if gvSig was not nearly as fast as ArcView) and he would 
really like to see your project handle the same information.


For more information please bother my friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
visit the following page:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

Remember if you don't download this data, and put it on your laptop 
before the conference, you will just be trying to figure out what this 
stuff is (and how to make your application look good with it) at the 
conference.


Jody
PS. I am really hoping that anyone good at MapServer will take a run at 
the problem.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Jody Garnett

Bob Basques wrote:

Is this restricted to conference attendees?

Nope.

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?

See the wiki page.

Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this 
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not 
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.


Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of 
the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start 
folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on participation.



bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:

Bob Basques wrote:

Is this restricted to conference attendees?

Nope.

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?

See the wiki page.

Jody
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Dave,

It wasn't immediately obvious that that was where the data was.

bobb



Dave Patton wrote:

Jody Garnett wrote:


Can you show me the ntdb_roads_50 layer?

Why are you being asked this?

Well it is because the fellow in front of you is wanting to see how 
well your software performs, and the last two projects had the same 
dataset (and darn if gvSig was not nearly as fast as ArcView) and he 
would really like to see your project handle the same information.


For more information please bother my friend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and visit the following page:

- http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase

Remember if you don't download this data, and put it on your laptop 
before the conference, you will just be trying to figure out what 
this stuff is (and how to make your application look good with it) at 
the conference.


I'll just point out that there is no need to 'bother' Justin,
as anyone can access all of the free public Canadian Geodata
by following the links on the Canadian Geodata wiki page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Hi Bob,

I think what Jody was trying to point you at was this:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#PostGIS_Database_:_Refractions_Research

It is what you say, a single spot of storage for the data which has a
subset of those datasets posted on the Canadian Geodata page.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
 Jody,
 
 Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
 page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
 A lot of reference and catalog description links though.
 
 Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
 exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.
 
 Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of
 the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start
 folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
 participation.
 
 
 bobb
 
 
 
 Jody Garnett wrote:
 Bob Basques wrote:
 Is this restricted to conference attendees?
 Nope.
 Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?
 See the wiki page.

 Jody
 PS. Join the osgeo data committee if you want to collaborate on this
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Integration test bed thingy at FOSS4G

2007-08-23 Thread Bob Basques

Justin,

So it's all Database based.

Hmm,  I figured it was going to be all different types of source data.   
This is kinda making it too easy now.  (Really!)


The system I was going to demo has some good pluses as far as easy 
integration of disparate data.  I don't suppose there is a compressed DB 
dump of this data around anywhere?


I'll work through the Database stuff first then and see where it all 
comes out.


Don't have a PostGIS database available at the moment though, will need 
to get that going too.


Thanks

bobb



Justin Deoliveira wrote:

Hi Bob,

I think what Jody was trying to point you at was this:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase#PostGIS_Database_:_Refractions_Research

It is what you say, a single spot of storage for the data which has a
subset of those datasets posted on the Canadian Geodata page.

-Justin

Bob Basques wrote:
  

Jody,

Ok, I must be dense, I don't see a link to any data anywhere on this
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_IntegrationShowcase
A lot of reference and catalog description links though.

Is this it?  :http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Canadian_Geodata, not
exactly obvious from the previous page if you ask me.

Ok, this is a neat idea, but shouldn't there be one spot with a copy of
the data someplace, even just a subset of smaller datasets would start
folks going.   It would make it much easier to get started on
participation.


bobb



Jody Garnett wrote:


Bob Basques wrote:
  

Is this restricted to conference attendees?


Nope.
  

Also, where is the data?  Is there one copy of somewhere to download?


See the wiki page.

Jody
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