Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
Maria, Hmm, interesting reading. Thanks for the links. So, would you think saying FOSS is better as a general label? I'l looking at all this from a sales angle for my specific need. A lot of folks have heard of "Open Source" for example, but I'm not sure how many might be able to distinguish the difference with "Free and Open Source . . ." that being said, I don't have a problem labeling things as FOSS Bobb From: dela...@gmail.com [mailto:dela...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of María Arias de Reyna Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:30 AM To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open Source Software is a good bet for businesses. Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is intended as an informational handout. I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to these. I'll go off and look some on Google Thanks in advance. Hi, Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html And don't use open, use free: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you. · You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix. · The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards. · You are not requiring other potential business partners to use Commercial Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you. Interoperability is considerably enhanced. The big commerical packages offer these capabilities as well, but beware of special situations and process additions that still bind your process to a commercial package. · The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across boundaries and jurisdictions. And to be thought of as a business best practice. It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both proprietary and open technologies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
Hi Barry, Point taken. But proprietary was harder (for me) to spell :c) I do see the difference though. Bobb -Original Message- From: b.rowling...@gmail.com [mailto:b.rowling...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry Rowlingson Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:43 AM To: María Arias de Reyna Cc: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul); discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open >> Source Software is a good bet for businesses. >> >> Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is >> intended as an informational handout. >> >> I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add >> to these. I'll go off and look some on Google >> >> Thanks in advance. > > > > Hi, > > Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html > And don't use open, use free: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point! Free and open source software can be commercial. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna ... >> Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html >> And don't use open, use free: >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html > > And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you > mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point! > > Free and open source software can be commercial. Yes: http://gis.cri.fmach.it/don-t-oppose-free-software-and-commercial-software/ And more scientifically: Rocchini, D., Neteler, M., 2012. Let the four freedoms paradigm apply to ecology. Trends in Ecology & Evolution 27, 310–311. http://tinyurl.com/tree-four-freedoms Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/12/2013 02:43 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for >>> why Open Source Software is a good bet for businesses. >>> >>> Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. >>> This is intended as an informational handout. >>> >>> I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks >>> to add to these. I'll go off and look some on Google >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some >> hints: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html And don't >> use open, use free: >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html > >> > And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you > mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that > point! > > Free and open source software can be commercial. > > Barry Haha, busy preparing my presentation "Introduction to Open Source" for FOSS4G. Plus I had the hope that at some point the message would get across and be picked up by others, and - Voila - it worked. :-) - -- Arnulf Christl http://metaspatial.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlIx1MEACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b2JTACfeHAm1nWfePDnuXFvmYNlm8IX 8mQAn2wEbwTnv+JYyVtq6ulRNiwCHdLY =qWhR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
You're not dependent on the vendor's business plans, which are determined mostly by their marketing people. AS On 9/12/13, Newcomb, Doug wrote: > You don't have to wait for a year or more to have access to a > bugfix/enhancement of the software, you can try it right away and influence > the resolution of the problem. > You can influence the direction the software roadmap takes by funding > contributions, paying for support, reporting bugs, and registering desired > features with the project. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
On 12 September 2013 14:29, María Arias de Reyna wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open >> Source Software is a good bet for businesses. >> >> Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is >> intended as an informational handout. >> >> I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to >> these. I'll go off and look some on Google >> >> Thanks in advance. > > > Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html > And don't use open, use free: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html GNU and FSF is not the only trustworthy body. So, suggesting GNU as the only credible source of the sacred books and terminology is not a good idea. What about OSI, what about all those open source and free software initiatives and concepts which do not relate to GNU or FSF. There are many flavours of open source and free software, GNU is just one of them. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net "Participation in this whole process is a form of torture" ~~ Szalony ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open >> Source Software is a good bet for businesses. >> >> Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is >> intended as an informational handout. >> >> I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to >> these. I'll go off and look some on Google >> >> Thanks in advance. > > > > Hi, > > Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html > And don't use open, use free: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point! Free and open source software can be commercial. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) < bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open > Source Software is a good bet for businesses. > > Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is > intended as an informational handout. > > I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to > these. I'll go off and look some on Google > > Thanks in advance. > Hi, Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html And don't use open, use free: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html > > > > Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you. > >- You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix. >- The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting >the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards. >- You are not requiring other potential business partners to use >Commercial Software in order to use your services and get at your data in >an unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you. Interoperability is >considerably enhanced. The big commerical packages offer these >capabilities as well, but beware of special situations and process >additions that still bind your process to a commercial package. >- The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a >method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across >boundaries and jurisdictions. And to be thought of as a business best >practice. It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you >want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both >proprietary and open technologies. > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
You don't have to wait for a year or more to have access to a bugfix/enhancement of the software, you can try it right away and influence the resolution of the problem. You can influence the direction the software roadmap takes by funding contributions, paying for support, reporting bugs, and registering desired features with the project. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) < bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open > Source Software is a good bet for businesses. > > Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is > intended as an informational handout. > > I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to > these. I'll go off and look some on Google > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you. > >- You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix. >- The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting >the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards. >- You are not requiring other potential business partners to use >Commercial Software in order to use your services and get at your data in >an unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you. Interoperability is >considerably enhanced. The big commerical packages offer these >capabilities as well, but beware of special situations and process >additions that still bind your process to a commercial package. >- The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a >method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across >boundaries and jurisdictions. And to be thought of as a business best >practice. It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you >want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both >proprietary and open technologies. > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Doug Newcomb USFWS Raleigh, NC 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.gov - The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. Life is too short for undocumented, proprietary data formats. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.
Hi All, I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open Source Software is a good bet for businesses. Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is intended as an informational handout. I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to these. I'll go off and look some on Google Thanks in advance. Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you. * You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix. * The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards. * You are not requiring other potential business partners to use Commercial Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you. Interoperability is considerably enhanced. The big commerical packages offer these capabilities as well, but beware of special situations and process additions that still bind your process to a commercial package. * The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across boundaries and jurisdictions. And to be thought of as a business best practice. It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both proprietary and open technologies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
