Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-10 Thread Gert-Jan van der Weijden
Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members) Hi Dirk, Several people have told me privately how impressed they were with your thoughts on this issue; I myself am not surprised to hear this about you, as you've impressed me with your

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-05 Thread Jeff McKenna
Hi Dirk, Several people have told me privately how impressed they were with your thoughts on this issue; I myself am not surprised to hear this about you, as you've impressed me with your vision before. In fact I hope you consider joining the OSGeo Board for this next term, we really need your

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-03 Thread Dirk Frigne
Mateusz, [and others], thanks for your reaction, On 02-07-14 11:44, Mateusz Łoskot wrote: On 1 July 2014 18:46, Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com wrote: [...] I may be naive, but for me personally this works out well, and having that feeling is one of the important incentives to keep

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-02 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
On 1 July 2014 18:46, Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com wrote: [...] I may be naive, but for me personally this works out well, and having that feeling is one of the important incentives to keep contributing to the community. (And by the way, working with other members of the OSGeo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-02 Thread Andrea Aime
Dirk++ ! Cheers Andrea On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com wrote: Although I am not so active on the mailing list, I am an OSGeo's advocate, and I take the opportunity to promote OSGeo wherever I can. I became an OSGeo member in 2007 because I was proud on

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-02 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Dirk, Thank you for putting a lot of what I have been feeling about this issue into words. Well said, -Steve On 7/1/2014 12:46 PM, Dirk Frigne wrote: Although I am not so active on the mailing list, I am an OSGeo's advocate, and I take the opportunity to promote OSGeo wherever I can. I

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-01 Thread Dirk Frigne
Although I am not so active on the mailing list, I am an OSGeo's advocate, and I take the opportunity to promote OSGeo wherever I can. I became an OSGeo member in 2007 because I was proud on what the organisation did and I wanted to support it, with the scarce resources I own. One of the things

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-01 Thread Milo van der Linden
Dirk, I feel your e-mail nails it on the spot. Well spoken, I totally agree. Milo 2014-07-01 18:46 GMT+02:00 Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com: Although I am not so active on the mailing list, I am an OSGeo's advocate, and I take the opportunity to promote OSGeo wherever I can. I

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-01 Thread Jorge Sanz
2014-07-01 21:34 GMT+02:00 Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net: Dirk, I feel your e-mail nails it on the spot. Well spoken, I totally agree. Milo Yes I also agree. I tried on my past mails to hit some of those points about motivation and the community role but he really nailed it.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-01 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
While I don’t think I’m keen on having professionals foot the bill for OSGeo, Dirk is definitely on the right track. His citation of the core principles is timely, and I’ll go so far as to repeat it here: OSGeo should act as a low-capital, volunteer-focused organization. OSGeo should

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members) [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2014-07-01 Thread Bruce Bannerman
Hi Dirk, Well said. However as someone who fits in all four categories that you¹ve defined, I must point out that the sponsorship dollars may perhaps not be in these categories either. I find it easier to contribute time as **a member of the community** and definitely do not want to be seen as

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-01 Thread Norman Vine
Dirk I have been struggling trying to write what you have so elegantly stated I whole heartily agree with what you have written Thank you Norman Founding Charter Member On Jul 1, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Dirk Frigne dirk.fri...@geosparc.com wrote: Although I am not so active on the mailing list,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
El 24/06/14 12:33, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: Folks, I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the proposal of membership fee. Moreover, I can't understand how the fact members financially support their organisation stands in contradiction with active volunteer-based

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
On 24 June 2014 12:52, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas js...@osgeo.org wrote: El 24/06/14 12:33, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the proposal of membership fee. Moreover, I can't understand how the fact members financially support their

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
El 24/06/14 13:26, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: The problem I think is that we are talking about the membership, about putting money as a requirement, instead of recognition being elected by your peers. Right, that is something, an actual topic that we can discuss about. IMHO, simple Donate

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
On 24 June 2014 14:02, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas js...@osgeo.org wrote: El 24/06/14 13:26, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: Shortly, I see nothing wrong in expecting as an organisation that if an individual aims and agrees to be nominated for OSGeo Charter Member she/he also agrees to donate on

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread María Arias de Reyna
Hi, I have been reading this conversation silently and for my point of view, if paying helps OsGeo, then subsctription fees are welcome. But there is a big but: for students and people who are unemployed, subsctription fees can be very discouraging. It happened to me with IEEE and I still

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Arnulf Christl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 María, good points, thanks. I strongly believe that paying a fee for one type of membership must not estrange anybody else who wants to participate. And I don't think that this is in the interest of anybody proposing a paid scheme. Trying to gauge

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Even Rouault
Hi, Interesting topic that raises quite a few questions. I think that all people who have commented in that thread have not necessarily agreed if membership fees would be something in addition to the nomination and election processs, or if it would replace it. If we switch to a paid membership,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Folks, I'll toss my two cents into this discussion. I think a lot of this has been already stated in part by others. o while I don't object to a membership fee in principal it has to come with some benefits for the member not for OSGeo. While it might be beneficial to OSGeo by providing an

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Alex Mandel
On 06/24/2014 06:14 AM, Mateusz Łoskot wrote: On 24 June 2014 14:38, María Arias de Reyna delawen+os...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a big but: That's why I decided to ask, what are those buts, as I haven't learned any concrete arguments from the original thread. It happened to me with

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Dave Patton
On 2014/06/24 03:33, Mateusz Łoskot wrote: Folks, I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the proposal of membership fee. Moreover, I can't understand how the fact members financially support their organisation stands in contradiction with active volunteer-based