Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-05 Thread Bob Basques
Eric, Now you're talk'in. Sure took this thread long enough to get here. :c) The Stick method allows for exactly what Eric describes, ease of use. The same sorts of things I'm running into for Emergency Preparedness materials, I'm currently putting together as a prototype. I've been

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-05 Thread Fawcett, David
...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:21 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo Eric Wolf wrote: I surely don't need another project right now, but I've been trolling to find a co-author to create a cookbook-style Python

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-05 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Fawcett, David david.fawc...@state.mn.us wrote: Mateusz, Thanks for posting this reference, I wasn't aware of it. It is a gold mine! Obviously, thanks to Chris for putting this course together and making it available to the world too. David. Wow, yes it's great isn't it? Even

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-05 Thread Landon Blake
: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Maxim Dubinin Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:50 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo Hi Local OSGeo chapters

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Micha Silver
Charlie Schweik wrote: . This connects back to my earlier education post that Frank Warmerdam responded to. He asked: I would have thought it would be more productive to take existing curriculum guidelines and get project support in rebuilding them around foss projects/products.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Charlie Schweik
Ian Turton wrote: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Charlie Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote: I'm also wondering if we could get some funding somewhere to hold an invited workshop (that pays for people to attend) to really dig into this. http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IID7

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Eric Wolf
As Ian said, the Universities are stuck in a vicious circle. Believe it or not, faculty do try to teach a GIScience that is independent of any particular software package. But the perspective ends up being that ESRI provides both the tools and teaching materials in a consistent manner. If the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Eric Wolf wrote: I surely don't need another project right now, but I've been trolling to find a co-author to create a cookbook-style Python geoprocessing book that uses GDAL/OGR and other FOSS libraries. This would be considered a text for a fairly advanced GIS course. Eric, You may want to

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Rafal Wawer
Hi Eric, Maybe we should focus on a GIS on a stick product rather than a LiveDVD? We (CASCADOSS project) have been using our own distro for the training. You will find it here: http://cascadoss.competterra.com/cascadoss.php?livedvd_en I am not entirely sure, but I think Compet-Terra developed a

Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Bruce Bannerman
2009 12:32 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo A good discussion and one which is important for OSGeo's future. I agree with Cédric's initial statement that The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from management, end user

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-04 Thread Chris Puttick
- Eric Wolf ebw...@gmail.com wrote: snip Maybe we should focus on a GIS on a stick product rather than a LiveDVD? Jo Cook wrote you a Windows one of those already :) - so you could even give to the students for ongoing use of the tools and data. And of course that is about as

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-03 Thread Ravi
on their Syllabus, and OSGeo India chapter is helping them teach. Cheers Ravi Kumar --- On Fri, 2/10/09, Agustin Diez Castillo agustin.d...@uv.es wrote: From: Agustin Diez Castillo agustin.d...@uv.es Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo To: Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com, OSGeo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-03 Thread Charlie Schweik
Ravi wrote: 'Universities should teach only with FOSS' Wish academia think like that. Part of the issue is getting faculty to learn themselves and make the shift. This underlies what I am getting at. I need to learn it. Busy faculty teach what they have learned in the past. I'm currently

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-03 Thread Ian Turton
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Charlie Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote: I'm also wondering if we could get some funding somewhere to hold an invited workshop (that pays for people to attend) to really dig into this. http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IID7 - I'm game to aid

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Peter Batty
A good discussion and one which is important for OSGeo's future. I agree with Cédric's initial statement that The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from management, end user, marketing etc... and I think that the responses to this thread reflect that. Most developers in

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Ian Turton
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty pe...@ebatty.com wrote: I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in universities would be a great idea too - ESRI dominate in this area at the moment, but this would be another way to get the word out to a broader audience.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Paul Ramsey
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote: So *I* think that universities are a lost cause and we should focus on high schools Forget the great unwashed, think about providing useful materials online to people who actually *want* to learn about the tools.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Charlie Schweik
Ian Turton wrote: Currently universities are locked in a vicious circle with GIS software in that the students demand we teach them on ESRI software because that's what employers want and employers use ESRI software as that is what the universities are teaching the students on. So *I* think

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Martin Landa
Hi, 2009/10/2 Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com: Currently universities are locked in a vicious circle with GIS software in that the students demand we teach them on ESRI software because that's what employers want and employers use ESRI software as that is what the universities are teaching the

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Rafal Wawer
] On Behalf Of Ian Turton Sent: 02 October 2009 16:55 To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty pe...@ebatty.com wrote: I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in universities would be a great idea

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Agustin Diez Castillo
I think is the other way around, Universities should teach only with FOSS. I like to think that at the universities we try to educate citizens no technicians, so if we want that our graduates become free citizens we only have a way to do so, teach them with free tools. For years now, I've been

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Agustin Diez Castillo agustin.d...@uv.es wrote: you're right we should teach techniques and no software packages but more than that we should educate free citizens. Truly, I can not understand why Universities teach closed knowledge when we should knowledge [openness is required to be

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-02 Thread Charlie Schweik
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: I'm proposing the education group help match up existing FOSS teaching material with a recognised curriculum. e.g. the curriculum might say that a student needs to learn about geographic coordinate systems - so we match up a module that provides sample data and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-10-01 Thread Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)
On Wed, September 30, 2009 18:49, Maxim Dubinin wrote: Hi Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups? Does OSGeo have a strategy to build communication with them? Maxim Maxim, yes, OSGeo's intent it to embrace and support existing organizations with the same

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Cédric Moullet
Hi, I read these interesting answers and I'd like to bring my point of view. I know, I'm quite new in the OSGEO world (1 year, previously by Autodesk and other porprietary structures), but I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:28:20PM +0200, Cédric Moullet wrote: Hi, I read these interesting answers and I'd like to bring my point of view. I know, I'm quite new in the OSGEO world (1 year, previously by Autodesk and other porprietary structures), but I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread P Kishor
2009/9/30 Cédric Moullet cedric.moul...@camptocamp.com: .. - The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from management, end user, marketing etc... .. noo! Let our work, and not marketers and management, speak for us. -- Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Christopher Schmidt wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:28:20PM +0200, Cédric Moullet wrote: I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has an important contradictor: from my point of view, this is what needs to be changed in the next 5

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
for good in that area. -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss- boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Jacolin Yves wrote: Hello Cédric, I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) : Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit : The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from management, end user, marketing etc...

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Rafal Wawer wrote: Hi Frank, For your end-users I see a lot of opportunities in developing countries, Rafal, So do I, particularly because I think in those countries people will see that some elbow grease and investment in their own knowledge can give them what they need for a low cost, and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Paul Ramsey
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: For this reason, efforts like Marketing are (in my opinion) less important than, for example, setting up a test server for running buildbot, or other things that help software become successful. I agree with

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Chris Puttick
- Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: Speak to whom? Decision makers with no real knowledge of the thing they are signing off on, being advised by lazy people who have some understanding but want to ensure they cover their back and don't have to try too hard rather

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Paul Ramsey
That kind of high-touch approach will have to be left to those (like, hopefully OpenGeo) who are building and monetizing products around the core software. The non-profit core organization can't do that unless it's willing to become much more vendor-like, which is something OSGeo has repeatedly

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Charlie Schweik
Frank Warmerdam wrote: I would instead express this as OSGeo needs end users (including their managers), and those interested in it's marketting (which I would prefer to call promotion) to get more actively involved and contribute. Education activities are, of course, one form of promotion.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Maxim Dubinin
Hi Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups? Does OSGeo have a strategy to build communication with them? Maxim Вы писали 30 сентября 2009 г., 11:03:35: where the cost of software licenses is far to high for the budgets thay have. Naturally, some of the users

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups? Does OSGeo have a strategy to build communication with them? You mean groups like local ESRI chapters, ASPRS chapters, GIS professionals, etc? I'd encourage the local chapters to find such non-OSGeo local groups and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:24:37PM +, Chris Puttick wrote: - Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: Speak to whom? Decision makers with no real knowledge of the thing they are signing off on, being advised by lazy people who have some understanding but want

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:36:35AM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote: That kind of high-touch approach will have to be left to those (like, hopefully OpenGeo) who are building and monetizing products around the core software. The non-profit core organization can't do that unless it's willing to become

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-30 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Jacolin Yves yjaco...@free.fr wrote: Hello Cédric, I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) : Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit : The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from management, end user,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-29 Thread Ravi
massimodisa...@yahoo.it wrote: From: Massimo Di Stefano massimodisa...@yahoo.it Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 11:14 PM Hi All, I agree with you i think we need a local chapter policy

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote: I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt the number of paid staff and budget. We can make good use with 100k more for hardware, services and to have more reserves for the conferences. But I believe that we should not let the budget

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-28 Thread Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)
Howard, your list looks good to me. OSGeo should focus on: * Local Chapters * Conferences (FOSS4G + many, many localized versions) * Global strategic binding (that is cross project, journal, marketing, etc.) I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt the number of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-28 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:40:17PM -0500, Howard Butler wrote: On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-28 Thread Massimo Di Stefano
Hi All, I agree with you i think we need a local chapter policy, to redistribute knowledge and organizational experience through the LC, helping ourselves to organize hack meetings and local conferences. I think we also need to focus on an educational strategy to promote FOSS inside

[OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-16 Thread Dimitris Kotzinos
Dear all, I think that organizations like OSGeo have the difficult task to combine two - not always compatible - lines of action: a/ expand our user base b/ foster the open source software development projects In that sense we are a bit different from organizations like Apache Foundation,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-16 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Dimitris Kotzinos ha scritto: Dear all, I think that organizations like OSGeo have the difficult task to combine two - not always compatible - lines of action: One thing I would like to see is more infrastructure for projects: I think this would make life easier for several projects, and it

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-16 Thread Henning Lorenz
In my opinion, a major challenge is to extend OSGeo beyond it's present topical range. Presently, OSGeo deals mainly with classical GIS, webmapping, and underlying technologies (generalised). I think this is also captured in this thread where references to and comparison with commercial

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread G. Allegri
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps. +1, from a software point of view. I can compare my experience as a user and programmer in the last five years with OSGeo (and other FOSS tools) against my parallel experience with ArcGIS, Erdas, Isatis, etc. A very sinthetic

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Rafal Wawer
- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of maning sambale Sent: 15 September 2009 06:16 To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps. data format

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Benjamin Chartier
sambale Sent: 15 September 2009 06:16 To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps. data format libraries - done! algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection. Would be good

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Landon Blake
Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of René A. Enguehard Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Landon Blake
) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Howard Butler Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However, as I have noticed over the years

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-15 Thread Doug_Newcomb
09/14/2009 11:47 Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years PMfor OSGeo

[OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-14 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst committees, projects, chapters and the board. It's also a good way for the board

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-14 Thread René A. Enguehard
What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However, as I have noticed over the years, people are reluctant to move to open source

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-14 Thread Howard Butler
On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst committees,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-14 Thread Helena Mitasova
On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Howard Butler wrote: On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter and pool a few of the ideas

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo

2009-09-14 Thread maning sambale
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps. data format libraries - done! algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection. Would be good for other OSGEO projects to reuse them. cartographic libraries = +1 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Helena