Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
On 24/09/13 05:35, Paolo Cavallini wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 23/09/2013 20:46, Cameron Shorter ha scritto: From what I can gather from the outside, it seems osgeo4w's primary requirement is a 1+ dedicated developer(s) who will drive the core functions of the project. Namely, setting a release schedule, chasing developers for contributions, triaging bug lists, etc. This can be done with or without a PSC or official OSGeo endorsement. I slightly disagree with this: what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, and therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an alternative route; etc.). When there is a reliable roadmap, I think resources (time~money) can be found from our Windows user base. Paulo, Your comments are valid. I should extend my suggestion to state that OSGeo4W's primary value would be gained from a developer, or team of developers, to clearly define the project's goals, direction and scope, including defining the packaging technologies and processes to use. This would need to be followed through with the hard work of implementation and verification of this stack of software. I agree, that a PSC would be a valuable way to manage an OSGeo4W project. For OSGeo-Live, we defined our primary scope and technology principles here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project This OSGeo-Live presentation might also be of interest: http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
I agree that with some love, OSGeo4W has the potential to be an excellent asset to the OSGeo community. It also shares many synergies with OSGeo-Live, and I could see many opportunities for the two projects to benefit each other. For instance, the OSGeo-Live Project Overviews could be extended to include references to OSGeo4W. We could also align OSGeo-Live/OSGeo4W releases and marketing pipeline (based around the FOSS4G calendar). From what I can gather from the outside, it seems osgeo4w's primary requirement is a 1+ dedicated developer(s) who will drive the core functions of the project. Namely, setting a release schedule, chasing developers for contributions, triaging bug lists, etc. This can be done with or without a PSC or official OSGeo endorsement. On 21/09/13 07:52, Alex Mandel wrote: On 09/20/2013 02:45 PM, Tamas Szekeres wrote: 2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. Hi Paolo, I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today. Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in. Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64 edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at the same place would be a prerequisite. Best regards, Tamas I'm actually already providing such an instance and was planning to clone it to several instances as well as a testing instance. Frank has the keys to drive it and has been using it for several months already. It's part of my lab's participation in the ICA-OSGeo initiative. http://geospatial.ucdavis.edu/resources/open-source Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 23/09/2013 20:46, Cameron Shorter ha scritto: From what I can gather from the outside, it seems osgeo4w's primary requirement is a 1+ dedicated developer(s) who will drive the core functions of the project. Namely, setting a release schedule, chasing developers for contributions, triaging bug lists, etc. This can be done with or without a PSC or official OSGeo endorsement. I slightly disagree with this: what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, and therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an alternative route; etc.). When there is a reliable roadmap, I think resources (time~money) can be found from our Windows user base. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlJAmBgACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6pfACghf3NAyZ9w65RK0Z4PiABGSXq rvIAoKFcVKa4ffcsyhk1f63oNPzRAfxT =lMIR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
On 23 September 2013 20:35, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, and therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an alternative route; etc.). Paolo, Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way to package FOSS for Windows, I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm afraid (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered contributions that I make after hours). Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net Participation in this whole process is a form of torture ~~ Szalony ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
2013/9/23 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way to package FOSS for Windows, I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm afraid (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered contributions that I make after hours). Mateusz, No worries, CoApp seems to be a compelling way that I'm also in favour of. I'll do some tests soon and let us see how the things will go. Best regards, Tamas ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
On 23 September 2013 22:49, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/23 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way to package FOSS for Windows, I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm afraid (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered contributions that I make after hours). Mateusz, No worries, CoApp seems to be a compelling way that I'm also in favour of. Thanks Tamas. I'll do some tests soon and let us see how the things will go. There is #coapp channel on Freenode, Garrett 'FearTheCowboy' Serack is a very nice guy, I'm sure he will be helpful. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net Participation in this whole process is a form of torture ~~ Szalony ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
Some of us use OSGEO4W just because we have to, Windows is still, by far, the most widely used OS in the world. I think it's a great idea to give it some more attention, especially to the new experimental 64-bit version. I would be glad to contribute in any manner possible, but I need to learn how to contribute. I'm not a software guru, I've been using Linux (Mandriva, Fedora, Debian-based and Arch) for a long time but never learned more than average user. Under Windows, maybe a little more advanced. It could be useful to contact OSGEO4W team and find out what kind of help they can use. 2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS. I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act. I'm available to help. All the best, and thanks. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlI8kA0ACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6nYACfVOGRkOEVUCQH0dCO8ku9a5l6 7cUAnRR7nGRLcHZ1BnOlY9YHgy5orWeG =tOOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Saludos, Yasser ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS. I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act. I'm available to help. All the best, and thanks. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlI8kA0ACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6nYACfVOGRkOEVUCQH0dCO8ku9a5l6 7cUAnRR7nGRLcHZ1BnOlY9YHgy5orWeG =tOOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. Hi Paolo, I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today. Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in. Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64 edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at the same place would be a prerequisite. Best regards, Tamas ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
On 09/20/2013 02:45 PM, Tamas Szekeres wrote: 2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. Hi Paolo, I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today. Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in. Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64 edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at the same place would be a prerequisite. Best regards, Tamas I'm actually already providing such an instance and was planning to clone it to several instances as well as a testing instance. Frank has the keys to drive it and has been using it for several months already. It's part of my lab's participation in the ICA-OSGeo initiative. http://geospatial.ucdavis.edu/resources/open-source Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
Paolo, As you know I am in support of establishing a PSC for the OSGeo4W project, and would be pleased to participate. I would encourage you to email osgeo4w-dev and lets get this under way. (unable to sleep at 3am in Notthingham) Best regards, Frank On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.itwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS. I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act. I'm available to help. All the best, and thanks. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlI8kA0ACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6nYACfVOGRkOEVUCQH0dCO8ku9a5l6 7cUAnRR7nGRLcHZ1BnOlY9YHgy5orWeG =tOOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
Done, thanks. Glad to see things are moving. I think before tackling the tech issues, we have a problem with governance here: once we have a PSC, we can go on deciding the way to go. Before that, we risk having discussions, duplications, and few packages. Glad to see we have a good response now. Thanks Frank. All the best. On 2013-09-21 04:20, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Paolo, As you know I am in support of establishing a PSC for the OSGeo4W project, and would be pleased to participate. I would encourage you to email osgeo4w-dev and lets get this under way. (unable to sleep at 3am in Notthingham) Best regards, Frank On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it [6] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS. I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their update is far from regular. Im not blaming everybody, I sincerely thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act. Im available to help. All the best, and thanks. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu [1] Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc [2] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ [3] iEYEARECAAYFAlI8kA0ACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6nYACfVOGRkOEVUCQH0dCO8ku9a5l6 7cUAnRR7nGRLcHZ1BnOlY9YHgy5orWeG =tOOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org [4] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss [5] -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com [7] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam [8] and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer Links: -- [1] http://www.faunalia.eu [2] http://www.faunalia.eu/pc [3] http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ [4] mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org [5] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss [6] mailto:cavall...@faunalia.it [7] mailto:warmer...@pobox.com [8] http://pobox.com/~warmerdam -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss