Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-24 Thread Cameron Shorter

On 24/09/13 05:35, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

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Il 23/09/2013 20:46, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:


 From what I can gather from the outside, it seems osgeo4w's primary 
requirement is a
1+ dedicated developer(s) who will drive the core functions of the project. 
Namely,
setting a release schedule, chasing developers for contributions, triaging bug 
lists,
etc. This can be done with or without a PSC or official OSGeo endorsement.

I slightly disagree with this: what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, 
and
therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite
interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an 
alternative
route; etc.).
When there is a reliable roadmap, I think resources (time~money) can be found 
from
our Windows user base.

Paulo,
Your comments are valid. I should extend my suggestion to state that
OSGeo4W's primary value would be gained from a developer, or team of 
developers, to clearly define the project's goals, direction and scope, 
including defining the packaging technologies and processes to use. This 
would need to be followed through with the hard work of implementation 
and verification of this stack of software.


I agree, that a PSC would be a valuable way to manage an OSGeo4W project.

For OSGeo-Live, we defined our primary scope and technology principles here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project

This OSGeo-Live presentation might also be of interest:
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Cameron Shorter
I agree that with some love, OSGeo4W has the potential to be an 
excellent asset to the OSGeo community.


It also shares many synergies with OSGeo-Live, and I could see many 
opportunities for the two projects to benefit each other.


For instance, the OSGeo-Live Project Overviews could be extended to 
include references to OSGeo4W.
We could also align OSGeo-Live/OSGeo4W releases and marketing pipeline 
(based around the FOSS4G calendar).


From what I can gather from the outside, it seems osgeo4w's primary 
requirement is a 1+ dedicated developer(s) who will drive the core 
functions of the project. Namely, setting a release schedule, chasing 
developers for contributions, triaging bug lists, etc. This can be done 
with or without a PSC or official OSGeo endorsement.


On 21/09/13 07:52, Alex Mandel wrote:

On 09/20/2013 02:45 PM, Tamas Szekeres wrote:

2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it


I suggest to make a Steering Committee
for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
contribute actively to something they need.



Hi Paolo,

I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today.
Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in.
Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64
edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at
the same place would be a prerequisite.


Best regards,

Tamas


I'm actually already providing such an instance and was planning to
clone it to several instances as well as a testing instance.
Frank has the keys to drive it and has been using it for several months
already.

It's part of my lab's participation in the ICA-OSGeo initiative.
http://geospatial.ucdavis.edu/resources/open-source

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Paolo Cavallini
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Il 23/09/2013 20:46, Cameron Shorter ha scritto:

 From what I can gather from the outside, it seems osgeo4w's primary 
 requirement is a
 1+ dedicated developer(s) who will drive the core functions of the project. 
 Namely,
 setting a release schedule, chasing developers for contributions, triaging 
 bug lists,
 etc. This can be done with or without a PSC or official OSGeo endorsement.

I slightly disagree with this: what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, 
and
therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite
interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an 
alternative
route; etc.).
When there is a reliable roadmap, I think resources (time~money) can be found 
from
our Windows user base.
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 23 September 2013 20:35, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote:
 what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, and
 therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite
 interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an 
 alternative
 route; etc.).

Paolo,
Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
to package FOSS for Windows,
I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm afraid
(I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
contributions that I make after hours).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Tamas Szekeres
2013/9/23 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net


 Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
 to package FOSS for Windows,
 I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm
 afraid
 (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
 contributions that I make after hours).


Mateusz,

No worries, CoApp seems to be a compelling way that I'm also in favour of.
I'll do some tests soon and let us see how the things will go.

Best regards,

Tamas
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-23 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 23 September 2013 22:49, Tamas Szekeres szeker...@gmail.com wrote:
 2013/9/23 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net

 Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
 to package FOSS for Windows,
 I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm
 afraid
 (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
 contributions that I make after hours).


 Mateusz,

 No worries, CoApp seems to be a compelling way that I'm also in favour of.

Thanks Tamas.

 I'll do some tests soon and let us see how the things will go.

There is #coapp channel on Freenode, Garrett 'FearTheCowboy' Serack is
a very nice guy, I'm sure he will be helpful.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Yasser Said Lopez de Olmos Reyes
Some of us use OSGEO4W just because we have to, Windows is still, by far,
the most widely used OS in the world. I think it's a great idea to give it
some more attention, especially to the new experimental 64-bit version.

I would be glad to contribute in any manner possible, but I need to learn
how to contribute. I'm not a software guru, I've been using Linux
(Mandriva, Fedora, Debian-based and Arch) for a long time but never learned
more than average user. Under Windows, maybe a little more advanced.

It could be useful to contact OSGEO4W team and find out what kind of help
they can use.


2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it

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 Hi all.
 OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the
 main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS.
 I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active
 developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their
 update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely
 thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we
 should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee
 for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
 users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
 would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
 contribute actively to something they need.
 My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the
 situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act.
 I'm available to help.
 All the best, and thanks.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini
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Hi all.
OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the
main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS.
I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active
developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their
update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely
thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we
should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee
for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
contribute actively to something they need.
My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the
situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act.
I'm available to help.
All the best, and thanks.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Tamas Szekeres
2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it

 I suggest to make a Steering Committee
 for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
 users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
 would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
 contribute actively to something they need.



Hi Paolo,

I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today.
Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in.
Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64
edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at
the same place would be a prerequisite.


Best regards,

Tamas
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Alex Mandel
On 09/20/2013 02:45 PM, Tamas Szekeres wrote:
 2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it
 
 I suggest to make a Steering Committee
 for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
 users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
 would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
 contribute actively to something they need.

 
 
 Hi Paolo,
 
 I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today.
 Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in.
 Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64
 edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at
 the same place would be a prerequisite.
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Tamas
 

I'm actually already providing such an instance and was planning to
clone it to several instances as well as a testing instance.
Frank has the keys to drive it and has been using it for several months
already.

It's part of my lab's participation in the ICA-OSGeo initiative.
http://geospatial.ucdavis.edu/resources/open-source

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Paolo,

As you know I am in support of establishing a PSC for the OSGeo4W project,
and would be pleased to participate.  I would encourage you to email
osgeo4w-dev and lets get this under way.

(unable to sleep at 3am in Notthingham)

Best regards,
Frank


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 OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the
 main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS.
 I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active
 developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their
 update is far from regular. I'm not blaming everybody, I sincerely
 thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we
 should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee
 for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
 users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
 would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
 contribute actively to something they need.
 My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the
 situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to act.
 I'm available to help.
 All the best, and thanks.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

2013-09-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini

Done, thanks. Glad to see things are moving.
I think before tackling the tech issues, we have a problem with 
governance here: once we have a PSC, we can go on deciding the way to 
go. Before that, we risk having discussions, duplications, and few 
packages.

Glad to see we have a good response now.
Thanks Frank.
All the best.

On 2013-09-21 04:20, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

Paolo,

As you know I am in support of establishing a PSC for the OSGeo4W
project, and would be pleased to participate.  I would encourage you
to email osgeo4w-dev and lets get this under way.

(unable to sleep at 3am in Notthingham)

Best regards,
Frank

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Hi all.
OSGEO4W is a crucial piece of our infrastructure, and is one of the
main services we are giving for the spread of GFOSS.
I think it does not get the attention it deserves. The active
developer team is very small, many packages are obsolete, and their
update is far from regular. Im not blaming everybody, I sincerely
thank those who contribute; I just try to be objective. I think we
should move forward quickly. I suggest to make a Steering Committee
for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!)
users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users
would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they
contribute actively to something they need.
My previous efforts to raise this question and to improve the
situation have met with no success. I think time is now ripe to
act.
Im available to help.
All the best, and thanks.
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