Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-06-22 Thread Cameron Shorter 
Who else will have project comparison material developed for FOSS4G 
which you would like incorporated into the OSGeoLive DVD to be handed 
out at FOSS4G?


German,
As mentioned earlier, I think that comparison summaries like this one 
you have created is hugely valuable to new users considering migrating 
to Open Source.
The first question I usually get at an OSGeo marketing booth is "What 
should I use to do XXX?"

I'll send you some detailed feedback and suggestions directly.

What I'd like to do is hear from everyone who is planning to create 
comparison material, and then agree on a common format for presenting 
that material.


Below are presentations which may be candidates:

39,"Mobile","Comparativa",271,"A comparison of GIS mobile applications","Miguel 
Montesinos","PRODEVELOP",

61,"Desktop","3D",254,"Comparison of Open Source Virtual Globes","Mathias 
Walker","Sourcepole AG",

50,"Standard","Comparativa",138,"Comparison of SOS-Servers: 52°North, UMN and deegree ","Mayer 
Christian","terrestris GmbH&  Co KG",

5,"Comparativas","Caché",137,"TileCache,GeowebCache and MapProxy - a technical and usability 
comparison","Till Adams","terrestris GmbH&  Co KG",

31,"Desktop","Comparativa",363,"Gesopatial Desktop Comparison","Cameron 
Shorter","Lisasoft",

3,"Comparativas","OGC",81,"Web Mapping Performance Shootout","Jeff McKenna","Gateway 
Geomatics",

11,"Comparativas","BDD",38,"Beyond PostGIS - New developments in Open Source Spatial 
Databases","Karsten Vennemann","TerraGIS Ltd",



On 22/06/10 02:48, geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org wrote:

Hi all.

I've just finished the english translation of the comparison v.4 [1]. 
I did some adjustments to the previous translation (I'm not a native 
speaker) as well as other changes you can read in the "What's new in 
this version?" section.


Cameron, if you want, I'm able to send you the source files (html, 
css, png...).


Regards,

Germán

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Hi Cameron.

Sure! I would like it a lot. I plan to publish the 4th version of the 
comparison on next month. So far, the decision tree is just an idea, 
but I think with enough time it could be done.


Regards.

Germán

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-Original Message-
From: Cameron Shorter <mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com>>
To: OSGeo Discussions <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>; Arnulf Christl <mailto:arn...@osgeo.org>>; German Carrillo 
mailto:geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org>>

Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review 
presentations - Web clients


Arnulf,
I'd be interested to hear whether German's offer of comparing webmap 
projects would be of value to you in preparing your foss4g 
presentation about webmapping.


German,
I am very excited by the cross project comparison work you have been 
doing. I have just spent a week at the OSGeo booth at the 
international conference for surveyors, and one of common questions 
people ask is "I'm current using XXX to do YYY, does Open Source 
provide a tool which could do something similar? ... Which would you 
recommend?"


I'd love to be able to point to, and hand out your webmapping 
comparison table.
So I'd like to have your webmap comparison table and decision tree 
incorporated into the OSGeo LiveDVD which we were handing out at the 
conference, and probably also make it available as a flier. If you can 
create the material, I can help you get the material onto the LiveDVD 
and into OSGeo Marketing channels.


geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org <mailto:geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> (Sorry, I don't know how to follow the thread, I'm just registered)
>
> Hi all, I'm Germán Carrillo and it's a pleasure to have been invited 
> to this discussion, thanks Cameron!

>
> As Cameron said, I've been mantaining a web map client comparison 
for > the last year and a half. I've received support and suggestions 
for > most of this projects, for some people from the OSGeo-es l

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-06-21 Thread geotux_tuxman 

 Hi all. 

I've just finished the english translation of the comparison v.4 [1]. I did 
some adjustments to the previous translation (I'm not a native speaker) as well 
as other changes you can read in the "What's new in this version?" section. 

Cameron, if you want, I'm able to send you the source files (html, css, png...).

Regards, 

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Hi Cameron.



Sure! I would like it a lot. I plan to publish the 4th version of the 
comparison on next month. So far, the decision tree is just an idea, but I 
think with enough time it could be done. 

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-Original Message-
From: Cameron Shorter 
To: OSGeo Discussions ; Arnulf Christl 
; German Carrillo 
Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web 
clients


Arnulf, 
I'd be interested to hear whether German's offer of comparing webmap projects 
would be of value to you in preparing your foss4g presentation about 
webmapping. 
 
German, 
I am very excited by the cross project comparison work you have been doing. I 
have just spent a week at the OSGeo booth at the international conference for 
surveyors, and one of common questions people ask is "I'm current using XXX to 
do YYY, does Open Source provide a tool which could do something similar? ... 
Which would you recommend?" 
 
I'd love to be able to point to, and hand out your webmapping comparison table. 
So I'd like to have your webmap comparison table and decision tree incorporated 
into the OSGeo LiveDVD which we were handing out at the conference, and 
probably also make it available as a flier. If you can create the material, I 
can help you get the material onto the LiveDVD and into OSGeo Marketing 
channels. 
 
geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org wrote: 
> (Sorry, I don't know how to follow the thread, I'm just registered) 
> 
> Hi all, I'm Germán Carrillo and it's a pleasure to have been invited > to 
> this discussion, thanks Cameron! 
> 
> As Cameron said, I've been mantaining a web map client comparison for > the 
> last year and a half. I've received support and suggestions for > most of 
> this projects, for some people from the OSGeo-es local chapter > and from 
> Paolo Cavallini (faunalia). The comparison is wide in terms > of number of 
> projects but it lacks a set of functionalities for each one. 
> 
> In a few days I'll start to prepare the 4th version and I want to > include 
> some other projects there. I also was thinking that it could > be possible 
> (in a near future) to add a decision tree to guide the > selection process of 
> a web map client. 
> 
> So, as you expected, I'd like to join this effort and build a > presentation 
> for the FOSS4G 2010. 
> 
> My first impression is that you would build the presentation for OSGeo > 
> projects, but, why not include other projects too? I think it's > important 
> to offer alternatives. Anyway, as Arnulf said, there are > different kinds of 
> web clients, so maybe we can think on a classification. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Germán 
> 
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Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-21 Thread geotux_tuxman 
Hi Cameron.



Sure! I would like it a lot. I plan to publish the 4th version of the 
comparison on next month. So far, the decision tree is just an idea, but I 
think with enough time it could be done. 

Regards.

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-Original Message-
From: Cameron Shorter 
To: OSGeo Discussions ; Arnulf Christl 
; German Carrillo 
Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web 
clients


Arnulf, 
I'd be interested to hear whether German's offer of comparing webmap projects 
would be of value to you in preparing your foss4g presentation about 
webmapping. 
 
German, 
I am very excited by the cross project comparison work you have been doing. I 
have just spent a week at the OSGeo booth at the international conference for 
surveyors, and one of common questions people ask is "I'm current using XXX to 
do YYY, does Open Source provide a tool which could do something similar? ... 
Which would you recommend?" 
 
I'd love to be able to point to, and hand out your webmapping comparison table. 
So I'd like to have your webmap comparison table and decision tree incorporated 
into the OSGeo LiveDVD which we were handing out at the conference, and 
probably also make it available as a flier. If you can create the material, I 
can help you get the material onto the LiveDVD and into OSGeo Marketing 
channels. 
 
geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org wrote: 
> (Sorry, I don't know how to follow the thread, I'm just registered) 
> 
> Hi all, I'm Germán Carrillo and it's a pleasure to have been invited > to 
> this discussion, thanks Cameron! 
> 
> As Cameron said, I've been mantaining a web map client comparison for > the 
> last year and a half. I've received support and suggestions for > most of 
> this projects, for some people from the OSGeo-es local chapter > and from 
> Paolo Cavallini (faunalia). The comparison is wide in terms > of number of 
> projects but it lacks a set of functionalities for each one. 
> 
> In a few days I'll start to prepare the 4th version and I want to > include 
> some other projects there. I also was thinking that it could > be possible 
> (in a near future) to add a decision tree to guide the > selection process of 
> a web map client. 
> 
> So, as you expected, I'd like to join this effort and build a > presentation 
> for the FOSS4G 2010. 
> 
> My first impression is that you would build the presentation for OSGeo > 
> projects, but, why not include other projects too? I think it's > important 
> to offer alternatives. Anyway, as Arnulf said, there are > different kinds of 
> web clients, so maybe we can think on a classification. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Germán 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-17 Thread Cameron Shorter 

Arnulf,
I'd be interested to hear whether German's offer of comparing webmap 
projects would be of value to you in preparing your foss4g presentation 
about webmapping.


German,
I am very excited by the cross project comparison work you have been 
doing. I have just spent a week at the OSGeo booth at the international 
conference for surveyors, and one of common questions people ask is "I'm 
current using XXX to do YYY, does Open Source provide a tool which could 
do something similar? ... Which would you recommend?"


I'd love to be able to point to, and hand out your webmapping comparison 
table.
So I'd like to have your webmap comparison table and decision tree 
incorporated into the OSGeo LiveDVD which we were handing out at the 
conference, and probably also make it available as a flier. If you can 
create the material, I can help you get the material onto the LiveDVD 
and into OSGeo Marketing channels.


geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org wrote:

(Sorry, I don't know how to follow the thread, I'm just registered)

Hi all, I'm Germán Carrillo and it's a pleasure to have been invited 
to this discussion, thanks Cameron!


As Cameron said, I've been mantaining a web map client comparison for 
the last year and a half. I've received support and suggestions for 
most of this projects, for some people from the OSGeo-es local chapter 
and from Paolo Cavallini (faunalia). The comparison is wide in terms 
of number of projects but it lacks a set of functionalities for each one.


In a few days I'll start to prepare the 4th version and I want to 
include some other projects there. I also was thinking that it could 
be possible (in a near future) to add a decision tree to guide the 
selection process of a web map client.


So, as you expected, I'd like to join this effort and build a 
presentation for the FOSS4G 2010.


My first impression is that you would build the presentation for OSGeo 
projects, but, why not include other projects too? I think it's 
important to offer alternatives. Anyway, as Arnulf said, there are 
different kinds of web clients, so maybe we can think on a classification.


Regards,

Germán

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2010-04-14 Thread geotux_tuxman 



(Sorry, I don't know how to follow the thread, I'm just registered)

Hi all, I'm Germán Carrillo and it's a pleasure to have been invited to this 
discussion, thanks Cameron!

As Cameron said, I've been mantaining a web map client comparison for the last 
year and a half. I've received support and suggestions for most of this 
projects, for some people from the OSGeo-es local chapter and from Paolo 
Cavallini (faunalia). The comparison is wide in terms of number of projects but 
it lacks a set of functionalities for each one.

In a few days I'll start to prepare the 4th version and I want to include some 
other projects there. I also was thinking that it could be possible (in a near 
future) to add a  decision tree to guide the selection process of a web map 
client.

So, as you expected, I'd like to join this effort and build a presentation for 
the FOSS4G 2010.

My first impression is that you would build the presentation for OSGeo 
projects, but, why not include other projects too? I think it's important to 
offer alternatives. Anyway, as Arnulf said, there are different kinds of web 
clients, so maybe we can think on a classification.

Regards, 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-13 Thread Mike Adair 

Cameron,

I can provide input on the Fusion client. 


Mike



Cédric Moullet wrote:

Hi Cameron,
I would be happy to bring my input regarding MapFish.
Cédric

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Cameron Shorter 
mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Pieter, good to hear your interest and to hear that geomajas would
be covered.
Anyone interested to step forward for Openlayers, Mapfish or
MabBender?

What should be compared between web clients?
Think of the target audience for such a comparison being a
software developer trying to decide which webmapping framework to
use. What would be the questions they ask?

Off the top of my head:
* What browsers are supported/tested against for each stable release?

* How responsive is the application?
** How large is the javascript which needs to be downloaded to the
browser?
**

* What basemaps are supported
** Google Maps, WMS, WFS, ...

* What tools are supported?
** Pan/Zoom/Edit Feature ...



Pieter De Graef wrote:

Cameron,

if the others are too, I would be interested in such a comparison.
My main question wouls be, exactly what would we be testing?
Performance (how?), functionality, ease-of-use, architecture, 

I still have to check my schedule, but I believe I can set
aside a enough time. I will already forward this mail to the
Geomajas mailing list, to check for response there.




Cameron Shorter schreef:

German Carillo has been building a gis web client
comparison which will make a good basis for a foss4g
presentation here:


http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=239&Itemid=59&lang=en




Does anyone know how to contact German so that we can
thank him, and invite him to participate in a FOSS4G
presentation?

Who else would be available to help out with a browser
comparison for the various projects?

Cameron Shorter wrote:

Abstracts for FOSS4G are due next Thursday 15 April
2010 and I'm hoping that we will see abstracts for:

* LiveDVD lightening overview
* WMS/WFS/WCS Shootout
* Desktop comparison
* Browser Client comparison
* Database comparison

I predict that these presentations will be by far the
most popular presentations of the conference. Further,
I'm expecting to incorporate results onto the LiveDVD.
They will be a lot of effort to prepare, partly
because they will need a team of project developers to
contribute to it, and consequently, unless we get our
act together soon, I suspect that no-one will submit
presentations for some of the topics above.

So I encourage people to respond to the following
targeted email threads, noting your intention to help
and be part of one of the presentation teams. (Note,
the presentation will be the easy bit, the hard bit
will be collating the material for the presentation).

A good team for these comparison projects will consist of:

* a representative from each project in the
comparison. These types of comparisons will be the
first place new users will go when researching
software, so are well worth participating in.
* users who have used more than one of the applications
* anyone involved in related comparison reviews, or
development of feature tables or similar
* coordinator/"get it done" people who can pull it all
together
* people who can speak well, and efficiently. (You
will have lots of material to present is a short time)





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-13 Thread Cameron Shorter 

Arnulf,
The theme of your presentation talking about the different webmapping 
clients does sound like it may be similar to the comparison project I 
was suggesting.


Would you consider opening it up to include geomajas too?

Would you also consider developing the presentation in collaboration 
with the other projects, so that you provide each project with the 
opportunity to contribute?


Re the WMS Shootout:
Yes, it was a lot of hard work. Yes, it did attract a lot of discussion, 
and people questioning the testing methods. But I think even with all 
its flaws, it was an excellent exercise. Even if the two WMS projects 
came out looking pretty similar, I saw that as a good result. Now we 
know that maybe it is not the WMS you need to tune, but possible the 
infrastructure underneath.


I suggest that the Browser Client comparison should not try to emulate 
the WMS Shootout.
People select browser clients for different reasons than WMS servers. 
Stability and features are usually more important than performance, and 
hence the comparison should be designed differently.


I suggest that now you have a core group of projects interested (still 
looking for an Openlayers representative), together you can decide what 
you consider to be the areas you would focus on in a comparison.


Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:

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Hash: SHA1

Cameron Shorter wrote:
  

Pieter, good to hear your interest and to hear that geomajas would be
covered.
Anyone interested to step forward for Openlayers, Mapfish or MabBender?



Hi,
we have given the talk "Typification of OpenLayers, Mapbender and
MapFish" [1] in German (translation pending) at FOSSGIS 2010 a few weeks
back and received good feedback. It gives an insight to the different
ways of tackling spatial data services on the Web with a JS library
(OL), a software package (MB) and a developer framework (MF). We will
will submit an extended and updated version of the talk for FOSS4G. This
goes in the same direction as what you propose.

Apart form this I believe that in general it will be hard or even
impossible to compare packages that come from so different backgrounds
and with so diverse goals on a similar basis as last year's shootout.
Even although the WMS protocol based shootout was a damn lot of effort
up front and really well done it was still up for quite a bit of
discussion. But I am open to contribute in any way.

Regards,
Arnulf.

[1]
http://www.mapbender.org/Eine_Typisierung:_OpenLayers,_Mapbender_und_MapFish

  

What should be compared between web clients?
Think of the target audience for such a comparison being a software
developer trying to decide which webmapping framework to use. What would
be the questions they ask?

Off the top of my head:
* What browsers are supported/tested against for each stable release?

* How responsive is the application?
** How large is the javascript which needs to be downloaded to the browser?
**

* What basemaps are supported
** Google Maps, WMS, WFS, ...

* What tools are supported?
** Pan/Zoom/Edit Feature ...


Pieter De Graef wrote:


Cameron,

if the others are too, I would be interested in such a comparison.
My main question wouls be, exactly what would we be testing?
Performance (how?), functionality, ease-of-use, architecture, 

I still have to check my schedule, but I believe I can set aside a
enough time. I will already forward this mail to the Geomajas mailing
list, to check for response there.




Cameron Shorter schreef:
  

German Carillo has been building a gis web client comparison which
will make a good basis for a foss4g presentation here:

http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=239&Itemid=59&lang=en


Does anyone know how to contact German so that we can thank him, and
invite him to participate in a FOSS4G presentation?

Who else would be available to help out with a browser comparison for
the various projects?

Cameron Shorter wrote:


Abstracts for FOSS4G are due next Thursday 15 April 2010 and I'm
hoping that we will see abstracts for:

* LiveDVD lightening overview
* WMS/WFS/WCS Shootout
* Desktop comparison
* Browser Client comparison
* Database comparison

I predict that these presentations will be by far the most popular
presentations of the conference. Further, I'm expecting to
incorporate results onto the LiveDVD. They will be a lot of effort
to prepare, partly because they will need a team of project
developers to contribute to it, and consequently, unless we get our
act together soon, I suspect that no-one will submit presentations
for some of the topics above.

So I encourage people to respond to the following targeted email
threads, noting your intention to help and be part of one of the
presentation teams. (Note, the presentation will be the easy bit,
the hard bit will be collating the material for the presentation).

A good team for these comparison projects will consist of:

* a representative from each project i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-13 Thread Seven (aka Arnulf) 
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Hash: SHA1

Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Pieter, good to hear your interest and to hear that geomajas would be
> covered.
> Anyone interested to step forward for Openlayers, Mapfish or MabBender?

Hi,
we have given the talk "Typification of OpenLayers, Mapbender and
MapFish" [1] in German (translation pending) at FOSSGIS 2010 a few weeks
back and received good feedback. It gives an insight to the different
ways of tackling spatial data services on the Web with a JS library
(OL), a software package (MB) and a developer framework (MF). We will
will submit an extended and updated version of the talk for FOSS4G. This
goes in the same direction as what you propose.

Apart form this I believe that in general it will be hard or even
impossible to compare packages that come from so different backgrounds
and with so diverse goals on a similar basis as last year's shootout.
Even although the WMS protocol based shootout was a damn lot of effort
up front and really well done it was still up for quite a bit of
discussion. But I am open to contribute in any way.

Regards,
Arnulf.

[1]
http://www.mapbender.org/Eine_Typisierung:_OpenLayers,_Mapbender_und_MapFish

> What should be compared between web clients?
> Think of the target audience for such a comparison being a software
> developer trying to decide which webmapping framework to use. What would
> be the questions they ask?
> 
> Off the top of my head:
> * What browsers are supported/tested against for each stable release?
> 
> * How responsive is the application?
> ** How large is the javascript which needs to be downloaded to the browser?
> **
> 
> * What basemaps are supported
> ** Google Maps, WMS, WFS, ...
> 
> * What tools are supported?
> ** Pan/Zoom/Edit Feature ...
> 
> 
> Pieter De Graef wrote:
>> Cameron,
>>
>> if the others are too, I would be interested in such a comparison.
>> My main question wouls be, exactly what would we be testing?
>> Performance (how?), functionality, ease-of-use, architecture, 
>>
>> I still have to check my schedule, but I believe I can set aside a
>> enough time. I will already forward this mail to the Geomajas mailing
>> list, to check for response there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cameron Shorter schreef:
>>> German Carillo has been building a gis web client comparison which
>>> will make a good basis for a foss4g presentation here:
>>>
>>> http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=239&Itemid=59&lang=en
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how to contact German so that we can thank him, and
>>> invite him to participate in a FOSS4G presentation?
>>>
>>> Who else would be available to help out with a browser comparison for
>>> the various projects?
>>>
>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Abstracts for FOSS4G are due next Thursday 15 April 2010 and I'm
 hoping that we will see abstracts for:

 * LiveDVD lightening overview
 * WMS/WFS/WCS Shootout
 * Desktop comparison
 * Browser Client comparison
 * Database comparison

 I predict that these presentations will be by far the most popular
 presentations of the conference. Further, I'm expecting to
 incorporate results onto the LiveDVD. They will be a lot of effort
 to prepare, partly because they will need a team of project
 developers to contribute to it, and consequently, unless we get our
 act together soon, I suspect that no-one will submit presentations
 for some of the topics above.

 So I encourage people to respond to the following targeted email
 threads, noting your intention to help and be part of one of the
 presentation teams. (Note, the presentation will be the easy bit,
 the hard bit will be collating the material for the presentation).

 A good team for these comparison projects will consist of:

 * a representative from each project in the comparison. These types
 of comparisons will be the first place new users will go when
 researching software, so are well worth participating in.
 * users who have used more than one of the applications
 * anyone involved in related comparison reviews, or development of
 feature tables or similar
 * coordinator/"get it done" people who can pull it all together
 * people who can speak well, and efficiently. (You will have lots of
 material to present is a short time)

>>>
>>
> 
> 


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-12 Thread Cédric Moullet 
Hi Cameron,
I would be happy to bring my input regarding MapFish.
Cédric

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Cameron Shorter
wrote:

> Pieter, good to hear your interest and to hear that geomajas would be
> covered.
> Anyone interested to step forward for Openlayers, Mapfish or MabBender?
>
> What should be compared between web clients?
> Think of the target audience for such a comparison being a software
> developer trying to decide which webmapping framework to use. What would be
> the questions they ask?
>
> Off the top of my head:
> * What browsers are supported/tested against for each stable release?
>
> * How responsive is the application?
> ** How large is the javascript which needs to be downloaded to the browser?
> **
>
> * What basemaps are supported
> ** Google Maps, WMS, WFS, ...
>
> * What tools are supported?
> ** Pan/Zoom/Edit Feature ...
>
>
>
> Pieter De Graef wrote:
>
>> Cameron,
>>
>> if the others are too, I would be interested in such a comparison.
>> My main question wouls be, exactly what would we be testing? Performance
>> (how?), functionality, ease-of-use, architecture, 
>>
>> I still have to check my schedule, but I believe I can set aside a enough
>> time. I will already forward this mail to the Geomajas mailing list, to
>> check for response there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cameron Shorter schreef:
>>
>>> German Carillo has been building a gis web client comparison which will
>>> make a good basis for a foss4g presentation here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=239&Itemid=59&lang=en
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how to contact German so that we can thank him, and
>>> invite him to participate in a FOSS4G presentation?
>>>
>>> Who else would be available to help out with a browser comparison for the
>>> various projects?
>>>
>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>
 Abstracts for FOSS4G are due next Thursday 15 April 2010 and I'm hoping
 that we will see abstracts for:

 * LiveDVD lightening overview
 * WMS/WFS/WCS Shootout
 * Desktop comparison
 * Browser Client comparison
 * Database comparison

 I predict that these presentations will be by far the most popular
 presentations of the conference. Further, I'm expecting to incorporate
 results onto the LiveDVD. They will be a lot of effort to prepare, partly
 because they will need a team of project developers to contribute to it, 
 and
 consequently, unless we get our act together soon, I suspect that no-one
 will submit presentations for some of the topics above.

 So I encourage people to respond to the following targeted email
 threads, noting your intention to help and be part of one of the
 presentation teams. (Note, the presentation will be the easy bit, the hard
 bit will be collating the material for the presentation).

 A good team for these comparison projects will consist of:

 * a representative from each project in the comparison. These types of
 comparisons will be the first place new users will go when researching
 software, so are well worth participating in.
 * users who have used more than one of the applications
 * anyone involved in related comparison reviews, or development of
 feature tables or similar
 * coordinator/"get it done" people who can pull it all together
 * people who can speak well, and efficiently. (You will have lots of
 material to present is a short time)


>>>
>>
>
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> Cameron Shorter
> Geospatial Solutions Manager
>
> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>
> Think Globally, Fix Locally
> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
> http://www.lisasoft.com
>
>


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Shorter 
Pieter, good to hear your interest and to hear that geomajas would be 
covered.

Anyone interested to step forward for Openlayers, Mapfish or MabBender?

What should be compared between web clients?
Think of the target audience for such a comparison being a software 
developer trying to decide which webmapping framework to use. What would 
be the questions they ask?


Off the top of my head:
* What browsers are supported/tested against for each stable release?

* How responsive is the application?
** How large is the javascript which needs to be downloaded to the browser?
**

* What basemaps are supported
** Google Maps, WMS, WFS, ...

* What tools are supported?
** Pan/Zoom/Edit Feature ...


Pieter De Graef wrote:

Cameron,

if the others are too, I would be interested in such a comparison.
My main question wouls be, exactly what would we be testing? 
Performance (how?), functionality, ease-of-use, architecture, 


I still have to check my schedule, but I believe I can set aside a 
enough time. I will already forward this mail to the Geomajas mailing 
list, to check for response there.





Cameron Shorter schreef:
German Carillo has been building a gis web client comparison which 
will make a good basis for a foss4g presentation here:


http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=239&Itemid=59&lang=en 



Does anyone know how to contact German so that we can thank him, and 
invite him to participate in a FOSS4G presentation?


Who else would be available to help out with a browser comparison for 
the various projects?


Cameron Shorter wrote:
Abstracts for FOSS4G are due next Thursday 15 April 2010 and I'm 
hoping that we will see abstracts for:


* LiveDVD lightening overview
* WMS/WFS/WCS Shootout
* Desktop comparison
* Browser Client comparison
* Database comparison

I predict that these presentations will be by far the most popular 
presentations of the conference. Further, I'm expecting to 
incorporate results onto the LiveDVD. They will be a lot of effort 
to prepare, partly because they will need a team of project 
developers to contribute to it, and consequently, unless we get our 
act together soon, I suspect that no-one will submit presentations 
for some of the topics above.


So I encourage people to respond to the following targeted email 
threads, noting your intention to help and be part of one of the 
presentation teams. (Note, the presentation will be the easy bit, 
the hard bit will be collating the material for the presentation).


A good team for these comparison projects will consist of:

* a representative from each project in the comparison. These types 
of comparisons will be the first place new users will go when 
researching software, so are well worth participating in.

* users who have used more than one of the applications
* anyone involved in related comparison reviews, or development of 
feature tables or similar

* coordinator/"get it done" people who can pull it all together
* people who can speak well, and efficiently. (You will have lots of 
material to present is a short time)









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Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients

2010-04-12 Thread Pieter De Graef 

Cameron,

if the others are too, I would be interested in such a comparison.
My main question wouls be, exactly what would we be testing? Performance 
(how?), functionality, ease-of-use, architecture, 


I still have to check my schedule, but I believe I can set aside a 
enough time. I will already forward this mail to the Geomajas mailing 
list, to check for response there.





Cameron Shorter schreef:
German Carillo has been building a gis web client comparison which 
will make a good basis for a foss4g presentation here:


http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=239&Itemid=59&lang=en 



Does anyone know how to contact German so that we can thank him, and 
invite him to participate in a FOSS4G presentation?


Who else would be available to help out with a browser comparison for 
the various projects?


Cameron Shorter wrote:
Abstracts for FOSS4G are due next Thursday 15 April 2010 and I'm 
hoping that we will see abstracts for:


* LiveDVD lightening overview
* WMS/WFS/WCS Shootout
* Desktop comparison
* Browser Client comparison
* Database comparison

I predict that these presentations will be by far the most popular 
presentations of the conference. Further, I'm expecting to 
incorporate results onto the LiveDVD. They will be a lot of effort to 
prepare, partly because they will need a team of project developers 
to contribute to it, and consequently, unless we get our act together 
soon, I suspect that no-one will submit presentations for some of the 
topics above.


So I encourage people to respond to the following targeted email 
threads, noting your intention to help and be part of one of the 
presentation teams. (Note, the presentation will be the easy bit, the 
hard bit will be collating the material for the presentation).


A good team for these comparison projects will consist of:

* a representative from each project in the comparison. These types 
of comparisons will be the first place new users will go when 
researching software, so are well worth participating in.

* users who have used more than one of the applications
* anyone involved in related comparison reviews, or development of 
feature tables or similar

* coordinator/"get it done" people who can pull it all together
* people who can speak well, and efficiently. (You will have lots of 
material to present is a short time)






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