Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-12-20 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:52:06PM -0700, Robert Bray wrote: Chris, I agree and will see what I can do to make it happen. If we want wider adoption it may also be beneficial to see some kind of C/C++ access library created for the format. In the past I always felt the FDO Provider was that

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-22 Thread Robert Bray
that :) Bob - Original Message - From: Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:18

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-22 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Robert Bray wrote: Chris, I agree and will see what I can do to make it happen. If we want wider adoption it may also be beneficial to see some kind of C/C++ access library created for the format. In the past I always felt the FDO Provider was that library, but the masses seem to be telling

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-22 Thread Traian Stanev
: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Robert Bray wrote: Chris, I agree and will see what I can do to make it happen. If we want wider adoption it may also be beneficial to see some kind of C/C++ access library created for the format. In the past

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-22 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 05:17:46PM -0800, Traian Stanev wrote: How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. I think that was exactly Bob's point: There is already an FDO driver for SDF. If OGR is sufficient, I'm not entirely sure why FDO wouldn't be by

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-22 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Traian Stanev wrote: How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. Traian, AFAIKU, that's the idea that triggered the debate but it would be good if there is non-API specific library for SDF. The the same library could be used by OGR, FDO, etc. Cheers

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-22 Thread Traian Stanev
PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 05:17:46PM -0800, Traian Stanev wrote: How about an OGR driver for SDF? No need to invent a new API when one already exists. I think that was exactly Bob's

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-21 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:18:42PM -0800, Robert Bray wrote: Is it an open format? ABSOLUTELY (we just never wrote a spec, but I am willing to get it done) All this said, I'd really like to understand everyones requirements for this new format. If SDF fits thats great, if not thats ok

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-19 Thread Andy Robinson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:discuss- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Walsh Sent: 18 November 2007 6:26 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format dear Steve, all, On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:24:55PM +, Steve Coast wrote

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-17 Thread Jo Walsh
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread Robert Bray
: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On 14-Nov-07, at 7:20 AM, Christopher Schmidt wrote: - optional coloring and styles, break values, rendering and scale limits, persistent joins or relates, color ramp, ... are things which are provided by SLD

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread P Kishor
On 11/14/07, Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 04:12:21AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would just love to click open and see something nice, specially if someone has already taken the time to make it beautiful. Think of it as the output of a word

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread P Kishor
12:23 PM Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Regarding the suggestion that MapServer takes on this new format as the primary format: I think this is way beyond the scope of what OSGeo should be doing. I agree with bitnerd

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Warmerdam
P Kishor wrote: I find two problems with Shapefiles -- one, that it is not in public domain (I am not even sure of what licensing there is on it), and while ESRI is not likely to pull a Unisys on us, it just is philosophically better to free if possible. Puneet, I think this is a red

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread David William Bitner
I never (I think I never did) argued that Shapefile is not open. I argued that it is not Free. I could be wrong. Here's the open published specification: http://www.esri.com/library/whitepapers/pdfs/shapefile.pdf Do what you will with it. I don't know in this case what you imply by Free.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread P Kishor
On 11/14/07, David William Bitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never (I think I never did) argued that Shapefile is not open. I argued that it is not Free. I could be wrong. Here's the open published specification: http://www.esri.com/library/whitepapers/pdfs/shapefile.pdf yes,

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I find two problems with Shapefiles -- one, that it is not in public domain (I am not even sure of what licensing there is on it), and while ESRI is not likely to pull a Unisys on us, it just is philosophically better to free if possible. I don't see this as an issue at all -- legally

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Landon Blake wrote: P.S. - This is probably a crazy idea, but has anyone ever considered talking to ESRI about cooperating on an update Shapefile spec? Landon, I believe ESRI sees the file based geodatabase as filling roughly the role that the Shapefile played in the ArcView 3.x days. Of

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread Landon Blake
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On 11/14/07, David William Bitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never (I think I never did) argued that Shapefile is not open. I argued that it is not Free. I could

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-14 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Frank, I was watching this PyTables video [http://www.carabos.com/videos/pytables-1-intro] and one thought came to my mind: HDF5 can easily be used to store and retrieve vector, raster and attribute tables. We would need to standardize a schema tough. Best regards, Ivan PS. I am not that

[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread P Kishor
Thanks everyone, for responding. Here is my groundwork. The new format -- - Should be fast. SQLite is plenty fast, and anything that simply extends the Shapefile format to inject relational capabilities should be pretty fast. It should definitely be faster than a geodatabase format (such as

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Landon Blake
Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Thanks everyone, for responding. Here is my groundwork. The new format -- - Should be fast. SQLite is plenty fast, and anything that simply extends the Shapefile format to inject relational capabilities should

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Coast
. And, put this format into public domain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Kishor Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:35 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Thanks

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Jason Birch
Landon wrote: --- I really think you are going to run into problems using the Shapefile as part of the trademark or name for any product not sold by ESRI. I strongly recommend against this move. --- I'm not a lawyer, but I really doubt that shapefile is unique enough to be

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread P Kishor
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Kishor Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:35 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Thanks everyone, for responding. Here is my groundwork. The new format

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread David William Bitner
AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Thanks everyone, for responding. Here is my groundwork. The new format -- - Should be fast. SQLite is plenty fast, and anything that simply extends

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Regarding the suggestion that MapServer takes on this new format as the primary format: I think this is way beyond the scope of what OSGeo should be doing. I agree with bitnerd. If the MapServer team thinks this is a valuable and worthwhile format, they will adopt it at some point. It